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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3250 on: August 01, 2020, 04:53:39 pm »
I don't remember if Zicam was the first zinc product to come out as a cold treatment but I remember when I tried zinc for a cold it really messed up my sense of taste that lasted days so I didn't take it anymore and don't recommend others take it for that reason.
I have been told a cold can mess up your sense of taste, too.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3251 on: August 01, 2020, 05:27:13 pm »
I have been told a cold can mess up your sense of taste, too.

Yes, but this was different. It isn't that you can't taste or that things tasted bad. The zinc leaves a bad after taste that didn't go away for quite awhile. It wasn't a single event. It was the zinc Lozenges specifically. The cold may have gone away quicker but the consequences weren't worth it.

For me vitamin D3 supplements (> 2,000 IU a day) did wonders for me. But I'm allergic to the sun... I went from getting pretty sick for a week and having a fever to wondering if I had a cold or not... And if I decided I did have a cold it rarely lasted more than a couple of days. But I was severely vitamin D deficient for many years before I figured out what I needed to do... I had been taking a multivitamin with D3 for years but it was only around 200 IU which wasn't nearly enough to make a difference.

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« Reply #3252 on: August 01, 2020, 05:29:46 pm »
I don't use Zicam, but then, I don't catch colds. :shrug:

My guess is you get a lot of sun. Sun makes a big difference.

I'm very pale... I don't tan much and get sun burnt in short order... So I avoid the sun... So I brilliantly moved to AZ, LOL...

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3253 on: August 01, 2020, 05:32:28 pm »
Most multi-vitamins contain zinc.  Zinc is not a cure  for COVID, but it enhances the clinical efficacy of hydroxychloronique along with the zpack and I have also read that doxycycline  has been given instead of the zpack.

I don't know if anyone has tried Airborne but it also contains a good amount of zinc along with minerals, vitamins and herbs.

Whether taking a multi-vitamin, or Airborne, probiotics, sambucus/elderberry, etc., it's not that they prevent the virus, but they build up your immune system to help fight the virus.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04370782

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3254 on: August 01, 2020, 05:35:48 pm »
08-01-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)   16.791 ↑    1.482 ↓
United States   14.849 ↑    2.022 ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Largest case rises occurred in TX, FL, CA, GA, & AZ.

Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago:  +321.

14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,285,693.

Top 5 total infection States (as % of population):  LA, AZ, NY, FL, NJ
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3255 on: August 01, 2020, 05:58:07 pm »
Yes, but this was different. It isn't that you can't taste or that things tasted bad. The zinc leaves a bad after taste that didn't go away for quite awhile. It wasn't a single event. It was the zinc Lozenges specifically. The cold may have gone away quicker but the consequences weren't worth it.

For me vitamin D3 supplements (> 2,000 IU a day) did wonders for me. But I'm allergic to the sun... I went from getting pretty sick for a week and having a fever to wondering if I had a cold or not... And if I decided I did have a cold it rarely lasted more than a couple of days. But I was severely vitamin D deficient for many years before I figured out what I needed to do... I had been taking a multivitamin with D3 for years but it was only around 200 IU which wasn't nearly enough to make a difference.
The important part is that you found out what worked for you. Not every remedy works for every person (otherwise, there'd only be one thing on the shelves).
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3256 on: August 01, 2020, 07:48:03 pm »
The important part is that you found out what worked for you. Not every remedy works for every person (otherwise, there'd only be one thing on the shelves).
That's not what Zelenko said.
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« Reply #3257 on: August 01, 2020, 07:52:01 pm »
You mean Zicam, the homeopathic remedy? Homeopathy, the long-discredited science that operates on the premise that if you're ailing, take something that causes the same ailment and make it worse?

Zicam USED to contain zinc. When I felt a cold coming on it would knock it out in a day.  Then there was this lawsuit where people claimed it made the lose their sense of smell, and they took out the zinc and reformulated it to something "homeopathic." Now it's crap.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3258 on: August 01, 2020, 08:28:13 pm »
That's not what Zelenko said.
When did Zelenko say You HAVE to take this...Or You can't take that?

He didn't.

Now, I'm going by memory, and I only watched his video twice, not counting backing up through parts of it and running them by again to make sure my notes were correct, and we can't go back and check one more time, because people who do not and did not want an inexpensive and effective treatment which did not require hospitalization REMOVED THE VIDEO, but I never heard him say that it wasn't important to find out what works for you.

Zinc supplements are so hazardous you can find them just about anywhere that sells supplements, OTC.
Zelenko never said his regimen was the only thing, just that it worked.


BTW, I'm not Zelenko, and I said:
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3259 on: August 01, 2020, 09:59:42 pm »
08-02-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)   16.901 ↑    1.481 ↓
United States   14.965 ↑    2.016 ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Largest case rises occurred in FL, CA, TX, GA, & AZ.

Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago:  +243.

14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,312,470.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3260 on: August 01, 2020, 10:19:26 pm »
When did Zelenko say You HAVE to take this...Or You can't take that?
Zelenko claimed a 100% success rate. In other words, a treatment that worked for every person. You've been hawking Zelenko's (Corsi's) scam for months now.
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« Reply #3261 on: August 01, 2020, 11:09:37 pm »
Zelenko claimed a 100% success rate. In other words, a treatment that worked for every person. You've been hawking Zelenko's (Corsi's) scam for months now.
I did my own research.

He did not claim a 100% success rate, but a very high one. Why is that credible? The regimen was given to everyone at the first onset of symptoms, no waiting for a covid test (which could take weeks, then). Do we know all those people had the disease? No, we don't. But of nearly 1000 people, only two ended up in the hospital. He doesn't have much chance to say much nowadays, being censored and all.

If there is the good science to show why this doesn't work, not just studies where sound alike drugs are given in lethal doses or last gasp patients administered a treatment for early stage disease, then open up the debate, instead of doing the typical liberal Leftist gig of silencing those who don't agree.

Since the regimen is most effective at very early onset, it makes sense that it would be effective when given when the first symptoms appear. We aren't talking 98 year old bedridden veterans on a ventilator, we're talking walk-in patients.

As for Corsi, I didn't know he had anything to do with it. Is he a doctor?
If not, maybe he is promoting something that works, and not prescribing medication.

There is no profit motive in off the shelf decades old medications, there is no patent, no money to make at well under $50 per patient, no real gain in sticking your professional neck out and saying this works, yet an awful lot of doctors are doing just that and bucking the CDC, NIAID, and the WHO to do so.

You won't see them on CNN, YouTube or Facebook, because the WHO and CDC are heavily vested in vaccine $$$$ and grant money, and have blacklisted such revelations, having those posts removed from those media.
A couple of my own were removed, and those were linked peer reviewed journal articles that didn't agree with the CDC.  So go on, sing the party line (whatever Party you are partying with) and watch the bodies stack up--or, hopefully, not. But the guys calling the shots from the WHO, CDC, and NIAID have been wrong more often than not.

Virtually everyone decrying this regimen, usually with deeply flawed "studies", including two that were RETRACTED from Medical Journals (something virtually unheard of), does have an ax to grind, money to make off more expensive protocols, or a vaccine to pimp, or grant money to attract, and are heavily invested in that. The rest are basking in newfound power (the power to wreck an economy!--OUR economy!) and pushing panic like a Cuomo to keep Americans locked down, fiscally devastated, to use all of that for political power. The end game is to spend the US into insolvency and lose reserve currency status for the dollar and claim it is "for the people".
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3262 on: August 01, 2020, 11:27:51 pm »
@Smokin Joe  I appreciate your weighing in.  I remember you had a really good technical description of why zinc is important to the treatment.  I don't mess with Zicam, it never did me any good.
I know Zicam quite well as I was a stockholder.  I was sitting on a HUGE profit, when the news came out about the potential loss of smell.  Easy come easy go.....lol.

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« Reply #3263 on: August 02, 2020, 03:09:48 am »
According to the definition of "homeopathy" above in the Bing search the homeopathic agent only has to cause the symptoms of whatever the illness is. Based on that it sounds like it doesn't have to be the actual agent that made someone sick in the first place. It only has to produce similar symptoms. And then the dilution is to the point it may not even contain a single molecule of the agent that was started with. That the dilution has a "memory of it" and that is what cures you...

So in other words it is a belief system and nothing to do with science...

Zinc is not an homeopathic product. It is a mineral and thus falls in the supply side, not as medicine. Food-as-medicine. Homeopathy does NOT believe that, for instance, vitamin C or Iron can be 'represented' by a minute amount. That is simply ridiculous.

OF COURSE you need a material quantity sufficient to the purpose. NO ONE would argue that you only need a little bit of any vitamin or mineral.

Properly, the argument is found in the basic principles = Allopathic medicine is not the only means of treatment, nor is it always the best treatment. Western medicine is great for cutting things off and bolting things back on. It is probably superior in pain relief (at the cost of addiction). These are conditions where treating the suffering (the symptom) actually works.

But it is not superior in creating cures, especially to long term maladies, nor in it's approach to maintenance wrt that which cannot be cured... I know, I'm living it.

Since I got up out of my wheelchair, and basically threw away the medical doctors, going back to a form of naturopathy - basically food-as-med, foraged medicine, native medicine, and even homeopathy at times, my health has been doubling and redoubling... To include pain management, having eschewed the loretab 7.5s I was taking 3-5 times a day all winter long (with the benefit of having broken the addiction cycle).

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3264 on: August 02, 2020, 11:37:23 am »
Zinc is not an homeopathic product. It is a mineral and thus falls in the supply side, not as medicine. Food-as-medicine. Homeopathy does NOT believe that, for instance, vitamin C or Iron can be 'represented' by a minute amount. That is simply ridiculous.

OF COURSE you need a material quantity sufficient to the purpose. NO ONE would argue that you only need a little bit of any vitamin or mineral.

Properly, the argument is found in the basic principles = Allopathic medicine is not the only means of treatment, nor is it always the best treatment. Western medicine is great for cutting things off and bolting things back on. It is probably superior in pain relief (at the cost of addiction). These are conditions where treating the suffering (the symptom) actually works.

But it is not superior in creating cures, especially to long term maladies, nor in it's approach to maintenance wrt that which cannot be cured... I know, I'm living it.

Since I got up out of my wheelchair, and basically threw away the medical doctors, going back to a form of naturopathy - basically food-as-med, foraged medicine, native medicine, and even homeopathy at times, my health has been doubling and redoubling... To include pain management, having eschewed the loretab 7.5s I was taking 3-5 times a day all winter long (with the benefit of having broken the addiction cycle).

Walk a mile in my shoes and you are liable to change your mind.

I'm sorry, I'm not following. I was talking about what homeopathy is which by definition is not science based. As far as modern medicine the usefulness varies widely. I have had closed angle glaucoma and have had laser holes drilled through my irides to relieve the pressure. I'd simply be blind if I hadn't done so quickly. I've had kidney cancer with 20% of one kidney removed by robotic surgery. I'd be dead already if I hadn't. Survival rates are typically around 8% in five years and close to zero after 10 years. I've also had a heart attack that required stints... I'd either be dead or close to it if that hadn't been done. So I have a lot to be thankful for due to modern medicine. If I had been born a decade or two before I would have had a very different outcomes.

In some areas modern medicine has clearly gone off the rails. Nutrition and food sciences is one of those areas. But it in general it is going in the right direction making corrections as it goes along.

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« Reply #3265 on: August 02, 2020, 11:43:00 am »
I'm sorry, I'm not following. I was talking about what homeopathy is which by definition is not science based. As far as modern medicine the usefulness varies widely. I have had closed angle glaucoma and have had laser holes drilled through my irides to relieve the pressure. I'd simply be blind if I hadn't done so quickly. I've had kidney cancer with 20% of one kidney removed by robotic surgery. I'd be dead already if I hadn't. Survival rates are typically around 8% in five years and close to zero after 10 years. I've also had a heart attack that required stints... I'd either be dead or close to it if that hadn't been done. So I have a lot to be thankful for due to modern medicine. If I had been born a decade or two before I would have had a very different outcomes.

In some areas modern medicine has clearly gone off the rails. Nutrition and food sciences is one of those areas. But it in general it is going in the right direction making corrections as it goes along.

I'm not sure what "science based" really means anymore.  There are indigenous peoples all over  with thousands of years of experience at treating certian ailments.  Does any of that count as science?
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« Reply #3266 on: August 02, 2020, 11:53:34 am »
I'm not sure what "science based" really means anymore.  There are indigenous peoples all over  with thousands of years of experience at treating certian ailments.  Does any of that count as science?

It may. There's a very wide range of possibilities there since there's no written record of how it was acquired... Learning from trial and error over long periods I would say is science based with the available resources at the time. Testing, experimenting and getting a repeatable result based on what was learned is science. But there's also the Voodoo end of the spectrum which is anything but...

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« Reply #3267 on: August 02, 2020, 12:02:30 pm »
Is it a coincidence that as soon as politicians started using the phrase, "science based," science as we know it became debased?
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« Reply #3268 on: August 02, 2020, 12:06:25 pm »
Is it a coincidence that as soon as politicians started using the phrase, "science based," science as we know it became debased?

Which is rather my point.  As @DB notes above getting repeatable results was once a part of the science game but that seems to have gone by the wayside.
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« Reply #3269 on: August 02, 2020, 12:33:19 pm »
Is it a coincidence that as soon as politicians started using the phrase, "science based," science as we know it became debased?

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No. The minute something becomes recognized as being beneficial,it gets patent protection,and the money boys take control away from the research scientists. When that happens,it all becomes about protecting the product from copying or modifications,marketing,and advertising.

It's not medicine anymore. It's "product".
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« Reply #3270 on: August 02, 2020, 02:14:02 pm »
I know Zicam quite well as I was a stockholder.  I was sitting on a HUGE profit, when the news came out about the potential loss of smell.  Easy come easy go.....lol.

That is only temporary. I use ZINC LOZENGES....all the time, with a sore throat.   Zinc oxide creme for other skin issues.   So, people would choose to DIE...over losing some smell ability?  I've used ZINC for about 20 years.  IT WORKS.
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« Reply #3271 on: August 02, 2020, 02:22:01 pm »
Cites Studies Showing Virus Lockdowns Killing More Children Than COVID

The lockdown is more harmful to children than the disease, making many people wonder just how bloodthirsty democrats really are.
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Democrats and liberals around the country are fighting to continue unlawful lockdowns, but officials at the United Nations have cited a study that proves such tactics are more deadly to children than the actual virus.

School closures are doing more harm than good, making many people wonder just how many people democrats want to see dead.

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In a presentation seeking extra funding for coronavirus efforts, UNICEF director Henrietta H Fore said Monday, “The repercussions of the pandemic are causing more harm to children than the disease itself.”

UNICEF nutrition program chief Victor Aguayo noted that the most harm is being done “by having schools closed, by having primary health care services disrupted, by having nutritional programs dysfunctional.”

The officials pointed to a study published in The Lancet that notes “physical distancing, school closures, trade restrictions, and country lockdowns” are worsening global child malnutrition.

The study estimates that an extra 6.7 million children will be at risk, and that lockdowns and other coronavirus responses could lead to more than 10,000 additional child deaths every month.

The UNICEF officials noted that would mean 128,000 more deaths among children within the next year.

Study: Global Lockdowns Killing 10,000 Children Per Monthhttps://t.co/GG9DWHZpe
The study complies research from the Washington-based International Food Policy Research Institute (IFPRI) and the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

It concludes that shut down strategies could lead to “life-long impacts on education, chronic disease risks, and overall human capital formation,” in addition to “intergenerational consequences for child growth and development.”

The estimates are said to “likely to be conservative, given that the duration of this crisis is unknown, and its full impacts on food, health, and social protection systems are yet to be realized.
The study dovetails with other research that has concluded lockdowns will conservatively “destroy at least seven times more years of human life” than they save.
The German government has concluded that the impact of the country’s lockdown could end up killing more people than the coronavirus due to victims of other serious illnesses not receiving treatment.


As we have previously highlighted, in the UK there have already been up to 10,000 excess deaths as a result of seriously ill people avoiding hospitals due to COVID-19 or not having their hospital treatments cancelled.

A data analyst consortium in South Africa also found that the economic consequences of the country’s lockdown will lead to 29 times more people dying than the coronavirus itself.


Hundreds of doctors are also on record as opposing lockdown measures, warning that they will cause more death than the coronavirus itself.

While globalists have urged that lockdowns need to continue, medical and economic experts across the board in multiple countries are warning that the loss of life will be much greater than that caused directly by the virus itself, if lockdowns are not scrapped.


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« Reply #3272 on: August 02, 2020, 03:18:40 pm »
I'm sorry, I'm not following. I was talking about what homeopathy is which by definition is not science based.

One would have to ask, a definition written by whom?

And I do have some experience with this homeopathic 'little bit' to cause the body to react - My daughter was a heart baby... Long story... 3 months old, life flight to Great falls, life flight to Salt Lake City... Dead three times in the air. Horror friggin highway

But one of the many miracles that happened there was our wierdo midwife, who follows the wind... She literally took it upon herself to show up, and I am not kidding at all when I say she had a grand entrance in the very nick of time.

The setting is an ICU ward at Primary Children's care - A ward where even the nurses are qualified doctors, and where care is so necessary and immediate that if the bells go off, you are simply ushered out of the way, and her team of doctors show up to attempt to fix her right there on her bed.

One such emergency was underway when that midwife showed up... And the doctors were losing bigtime. But weirdo midwife lady strode among them with the authority of God Himself and surreptitiously ground one of those sugar pills into/under the skin of her skull... And within 30 seconds she stabilized completely, with western doctors scratching their heads...

And the first words of the midwife to me after driving all night in a blizzard to arrive in time to save my daughter, was that she was super tired and needed to sleep, but that I had to wake her up in exactly four hours and 45 minutes, because she would crash again in 5 hours... And so it went, over and over and over again, at least five more times, with her walking up, administering her potion, and immediate recovery...

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As far as modern medicine the usefulness varies widely. I have had closed angle glaucoma and have had laser holes drilled through my irides to relieve the pressure. I'd simply be blind if I hadn't done so quickly. I've had kidney cancer with 20% of one kidney removed by robotic surgery. I'd be dead already if I hadn't. Survival rates are typically around 8% in five years and close to zero after 10 years. I've also had a heart attack that required stints... I'd either be dead or close to it if that hadn't been done. So I have a lot to be thankful for due to modern medicine. If I had been born a decade or two before I would have had a very different outcomes.

In some areas modern medicine has clearly gone off the rails. Nutrition and food sciences is one of those areas. But it in general it is going in the right direction making corrections as it goes along.

Perhaps I have been to glib, or too succinct in putting my point across... That heart baby would have been dead that very day without the magnificent western doctors assigned her care, and the necessary surgery which was the first cause - Even the ones who caught her malady early, and provided diagnosis early, and the system itself, that whisked her away in her very fragile state, and sustained her...

I myself have been in intensive care on two occasions, plus a kidney problem, plus several more occasions where I was nearly hospitalized, where I would have been dead without their care - I too owe them credit where it is due.

What I am saying is that it is not always due, and there are other ways that you should become aware of, because allopathic medicine is not the only game in town. Nor is it the only one with science in it's backing, not that science is the pinnacle of proof either. And as for homeopathy, I have seen it demonstrated right before my eyes. As did those doctors at that prestigious hospital, who knew she was doing something - and let her.

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« Reply #3273 on: August 02, 2020, 04:31:00 pm »
One would have to ask, a definition written by whom?

And I do have some experience with this homeopathic 'little bit' to cause the body to react - My daughter was a heart baby... Long story... 3 months old, life flight to Great falls, life flight to Salt Lake City... Dead three times in the air. Horror friggin highway

But one of the many miracles that happened there was our wierdo midwife, who follows the wind... She literally took it upon herself to show up, and I am not kidding at all when I say she had a grand entrance in the very nick of time.

The setting is an ICU ward at Primary Children's care - A ward where even the nurses are qualified doctors, and where care is so necessary and immediate that if the bells go off, you are simply ushered out of the way, and her team of doctors show up to attempt to fix her right there on her bed.

One such emergency was underway when that midwife showed up... And the doctors were losing bigtime. But weirdo midwife lady strode among them with the authority of God Himself and surreptitiously ground one of those sugar pills into/under the skin of her skull... And within 30 seconds she stabilized completely, with western doctors scratching their heads...

And the first words of the midwife to me after driving all night in a blizzard to arrive in time to save my daughter, was that she was super tired and needed to sleep, but that I had to wake her up in exactly four hours and 45 minutes, because she would crash again in 5 hours... And so it went, over and over and over again, at least five more times, with her walking up, administering her potion, and immediate recovery...

Perhaps I have been to glib, or too succinct in putting my point across... That heart baby would have been dead that very day without the magnificent western doctors assigned her care, and the necessary surgery which was the first cause - Even the ones who caught her malady early, and provided diagnosis early, and the system itself, that whisked her away in her very fragile state, and sustained her...

I myself have been in intensive care on two occasions, plus a kidney problem, plus several more occasions where I was nearly hospitalized, where I would have been dead without their care - I too owe them credit where it is due.

What I am saying is that it is not always due, and there are other ways that you should become aware of, because allopathic medicine is not the only game in town. Nor is it the only one with science in it's backing, not that science is the pinnacle of proof either. And as for homeopathy, I have seen it demonstrated right before my eyes. As did those doctors at that prestigious hospital, who knew she was doing something - and let her.

It was defined by the guy who created it:

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« Reply #3274 on: August 02, 2020, 04:32:36 pm »
So how did Homeopathy become "Witch Doctor Medicine," anyway?
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« Reply #3275 on: August 02, 2020, 05:05:10 pm »
One would have to ask, a definition written by whom?

And I do have some experience with this homeopathic 'little bit' to cause the body to react - My daughter was a heart baby... Long story... 3 months old, life flight to Great falls, life flight to Salt Lake City... Dead three times in the air. Horror friggin highway

But one of the many miracles that happened there was our wierdo midwife, who follows the wind... She literally took it upon herself to show up, and I am not kidding at all when I say she had a grand entrance in the very nick of time.

The setting is an ICU ward at Primary Children's care - A ward where even the nurses are qualified doctors, and where care is so necessary and immediate that if the bells go off, you are simply ushered out of the way, and her team of doctors show up to attempt to fix her right there on her bed.

One such emergency was underway when that midwife showed up... And the doctors were losing bigtime. But weirdo midwife lady strode among them with the authority of God Himself and surreptitiously ground one of those sugar pills into/under the skin of her skull... And within 30 seconds she stabilized completely, with western doctors scratching their heads...

And the first words of the midwife to me after driving all night in a blizzard to arrive in time to save my daughter, was that she was super tired and needed to sleep, but that I had to wake her up in exactly four hours and 45 minutes, because she would crash again in 5 hours... And so it went, over and over and over again, at least five more times, with her walking up, administering her potion, and immediate recovery...

Perhaps I have been to glib, or too succinct in putting my point across... That heart baby would have been dead that very day without the magnificent western doctors assigned her care, and the necessary surgery which was the first cause - Even the ones who caught her malady early, and provided diagnosis early, and the system itself, that whisked her away in her very fragile state, and sustained her...

I myself have been in intensive care on two occasions, plus a kidney problem, plus several more occasions where I was nearly hospitalized, where I would have been dead without their care - I too owe them credit where it is due.

What I am saying is that it is not always due, and there are other ways that you should become aware of, because allopathic medicine is not the only game in town. Nor is it the only one with science in it's backing, not that science is the pinnacle of proof either. And as for homeopathy, I have seen it demonstrated right before my eyes. As did those doctors at that prestigious hospital, who knew she was doing something - and let her.

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When I was an infant, born during ww 2  (new born) I was dying from bloody dissenterry.  sp? Diarrhea.  Nothing would stop it.  My grandmother kept announcing I was going to DIE ANY MINUTE.  "Now, she is dead! "  Doctors didn't know what to do.  Finally one doctor thought of charcoal. It was called animal charcoal. I was given that with mothers milk....and here I am to annoy all TBR'S!  I use charcoal, when I had painful gas issues. Worked, every time. Charcoal absorbs the 'gas'. Better than Beano.  I always keep it on hand.  My daughters cat, had eating issues. I told her to try charcoal in her food.  It helped and her 21 year old cat, lived a few more months! 

Then we have silver, a natural antibiotic. People put real silver coins into milk, to keep it lasting longer.  GARLIC/ONIONS a natural form of antibiotics too.  That is why chicken soup is good for health problems.  An onion juice, put into ear when infected, helps. Using a raw onion in mouth, when one has gingivitis.  I use coconut oil, for "gum pulling'.  One swishes  some coconut oil in the mouth for a few minutes. Repeat. Keep the oil in as long as you can.  Then spit out.  I learned it too, has bacteria fighting properties.  Then we all know CLOVE OIL..for a toothache.  I think, I posted enough.   happy77

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« Reply #3276 on: August 02, 2020, 05:20:34 pm »
Peppermint, Ginger and Chamomille -- all have a calming effect, anti-inflammatory, anti-viral and anti-bacterial properties (some more than others). 

Aloe vera is excellent, it has;  antibacterial, antifungal, analgesic, anesthetic, antiseptic, anti-viral, anti-microbial and anti-inflammatory properties and is used for a vast number of ailments.  The healing properties of aloe vera is quite amazing.

Over the years I have had much better luck with 'natural remedies' more often than with most prescription medications. 

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« Reply #3277 on: August 02, 2020, 05:27:18 pm »
Peppermint, Ginger and Chamomille -- all have a calming effect, anti-inflammatory, anti-viral and anti-bacterial properties (some more than others). 

Aloe vera is excellent, it has;  antibacterial, antifungal, analgesic, anesthetic, antiseptic, anti-viral, anti-microbial and anti-inflammatory properties and is used for a vast number of ailments.  The healing properties of aloe vera is quite amazing.

Over the years I have had much better luck with 'natural remedies' more often than with most prescription medications.


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« Reply #3278 on: August 02, 2020, 06:49:02 pm »
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Many medicines come from natural products. Aspirin, willow tree. Many old world poultices work.  We have just forgotten about them.  Old world remedy for arthritis. Put a freshly sheared lambs wool on knees.  Do not wash the wool first.  There is scientific proof, about OILS being good for arthritis.  Grated raw potato for burns. We all know about baking soda.
 
When I was an infant, born during ww 2  (new born) I was dying from bloody dissenterry.  sp? Diarrhea.  Nothing would stop it.  My grandmother kept announcing I was going to DIE ANY MINUTE.  "Now, she is dead! "  Doctors didn't know what to do.  Finally one doctor thought of charcoal. It was called animal charcoal. I was given that with mothers milk....and here I am to annoy all TBR'S!  I use charcoal, when I had painful gas issues. Worked, every time. Charcoal absorbs the 'gas'. Better than Beano.  I always keep it on hand.  My daughters cat, had eating issues. I told her to try charcoal in her food.  It helped and her 21 year old cat, lived a few more months! 

Then we have silver, a natural antibiotic. People put real silver coins into milk, to keep it lasting longer.  GARLIC/ONIONS a natural form of antibiotics too.  That is why chicken soup is good for health problems.  An onion juice, put into ear when infected, helps. Using a raw onion in mouth, when one has gingivitis.  I use coconut oil, for "gum pulling'.  One swishes  some coconut oil in the mouth for a few minutes. Repeat. Keep the oil in as long as you can.  Then spit out.  I learned it too, has bacteria fighting properties.  Then we all know CLOVE OIL..for a toothache.  I think, I posted enough.   happy77

You and I are in large agreement on this - I use willow bark routinely instead of aspirin... My medicine cabinet looks far more like forage than it does 'medicine'... Of course charcoal or AC Vinegar for belly and gut, depending on which way it needs to swing... Fire cider keeps me well - I make it every harvest and then again around turkey day... Just a shot a day through the winter and spring, and I never get sick anymore. Chaga tea is another staple... Not that heavy into homeopathy and them little sugar pills, though I have some of it - Arnica comes to mind... Mostly I do native and hillbilly remedies, and my doc is an authentic Cheyenne medicine man (and a hillbilly). Everyone up in the holler knows who hr is... Costs me a bag of tobacco to see him, and we usually wind up on his porch drinking shine.

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« Reply #3279 on: August 02, 2020, 09:53:52 pm »
You and I are in large agreement on this - I use willow bark routinely instead of aspirin... My medicine cabinet looks far more like forage than it does 'medicine'... Of course charcoal or AC Vinegar for belly and gut, depending on which way it needs to swing... Fire cider keeps me well - I make it every harvest and then again around turkey day... Just a shot a day through the winter and spring, and I never get sick anymore. Chaga tea is another staple... Not that heavy into homeopathy and them little sugar pills, though I have some of it - Arnica comes to mind... Mostly I do native and hillbilly remedies, and my doc is an authentic Cheyenne medicine man (and a hillbilly). Everyone up in the holler knows who hr is... Costs me a bag of tobacco to see him, and we usually wind up on his porch drinking shine.
Hmmm...  I play tennis with my Dr.   happy77

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« Reply #3280 on: August 02, 2020, 10:08:58 pm »
Hmmm...  I play tennis with my Dr.   happy77

Well, I guess I got the better end of that deal... Besides, I don't think Five Bears plays tennis. I wouldn't know because white shorts don't fit my hillbilly ass.  :shrug:

Horse shoes maybe.. shootin skeet over the slough... Knife or tommy throwin... Archery... Ranging rifles... Tennis don't come up much.

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« Reply #3281 on: August 02, 2020, 10:12:51 pm »
You and I are in large agreement on this - I use willow bark routinely instead of aspirin... My medicine cabinet looks far more like forage than it does 'medicine'... Of course charcoal or AC Vinegar for belly and gut, depending on which way it needs to swing... Fire cider keeps me well - I make it every harvest and then again around turkey day... Just a shot a day through the winter and spring, and I never get sick anymore. Chaga tea is another staple... Not that heavy into homeopathy and them little sugar pills, though I have some of it - Arnica comes to mind... Mostly I do native and hillbilly remedies, and my doc is an authentic Cheyenne medicine man (and a hillbilly). Everyone up in the holler knows who hr is... Costs me a bag of tobacco to see him, and we usually wind up on his porch drinking shine.


How do you make fire cider?  CINNAMON?  I made some homemade liqure , using cinnamon & vodka. 

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« Reply #3282 on: August 02, 2020, 10:15:35 pm »
Hmmm...  I play tennis with my Dr.   happy77

I make mine homemade cookies.  Real fresh chocolate chip cookies. Plenty of chunks of chocolate & lot of walnuts.   Real butter, butter cookies. I make enough for his office to enjoy them too. I guess, I can't do that anymore, with COVID and who knows, what crazy is going on now. 

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« Reply #3283 on: August 02, 2020, 10:20:18 pm »

How do you make fire cider?  CINNAMON?  I made some homemade liqure , using cinnamon & vodka.

This is pretty much what I do:


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CINNAMON: I keep cinnamon tea concentrate, thick, blood red, in the fridge at all times. That and thyme tea are pretty instrumental around here for cleaning out the lungs and nasal passages.

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« Reply #3284 on: August 02, 2020, 10:22:46 pm »

 Of course charcoal or AC Vinegar for belly and gut, depending on which way it needs to swing...

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 The only thing more surprising to me than the number of people who have never heard of drinking a small amount of vinegar to "cure" acid re-flux is the number of them that don't believe me when I tell them about it.

I have never seen anything that will settle an upset stomach as well,and it works pretty much instantly. 

I threw away my rolaids once I discovered this,and haven't bought any in decades.
Hell,all they had to do was TRY it,and AFAIK,not a single one did. Or if they did,they never told me.
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« Reply #3285 on: August 02, 2020, 10:33:02 pm »
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 The only thing more surprising to me than the number of people who have never heard of drinking a small amount of vinegar to "cure" acid re-flux is the number of them that don't believe me when I tell them about it.

I have never seen anything that will settle an upset stomach as well,and it works pretty much instantly. 

I threw away my rolaids once I discovered this,and haven't bought any in decades.
Hell,all they had to do was TRY it,and AFAIK,not a single one did. Or if they did,they never told me.

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Yep. Used to be 2 prilosec a day till I went back to my hillbilly ways. Fifty bucks a month or more to include mylanta and etc... Because even the prilosec quit working after a while....

If vinegar don't fix it, a little charcoal will. And both are cheap to free. I don't have as much trouble these days because my diet runs heavy to vinegar and ferments. I eat a LOT of vinegar preserves.... beets dilly beans, pickles... All an everyday thing here... I think modern diet tends to be too base, or folks are getting bad acids... dunno... But since my diet straightened out, I just don't have the problem.
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« Reply #3286 on: August 02, 2020, 10:49:14 pm »
This is pretty much what I do:


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Amazing.  Thank you!  This is pretty much, the kind of things I do. Homemade yogurt from dried milk, homemade root beer. A lot of make your own condiments. I figured, years ago, If I run out of some item, I can make it with my ingredients, at home. I have all kind of GLUTEN FREE recipes, but I don't have the problem.  it is just good to know, how to make bread, sweets from legume flours & potato starch.  Does not hurt to know things.  Then how to make your own flour out of garbanzo beans. 

I loved this video.  They let the children 'help" which is SO GOOD for their self esteem & confidence.  They are also remembering the recipe.  Kids love to be involved & 'help'. GOOD PARENTING.  Kids can be useful. lol  Making garlic naked.  Those little fingers, fishing out garlic & removing the chaff.  Boring for adults, but they love helping.  Lovely family.   I will probably make this, this fall,  but on a smaller scale.  I RUN HOT, and live in the desert. I have done cider vinegar, cayenne pepper & maple syrup before.

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« Reply #3287 on: August 02, 2020, 11:25:35 pm »
Amazing.  Thank you!  This is pretty much, the kind of things I do. Homemade yogurt from dried milk, homemade root beer. A lot of make your own condiments. I figured, years ago, If I run out of some item, I can make it with my ingredients, at home. I have all kind of GLUTEN FREE recipes, but I don't have the problem.  it is just good to know, how to make bread, sweets from legume flours & potato starch.  Does not hurt to know things.  Then how to make your own flour out of garbanzo beans. 

I loved this video.  They let the children 'help" which is SO GOOD for their self esteem & confidence.  They are also remembering the recipe.  Kids love to be involved & 'help'. GOOD PARENTING.  Kids can be useful. lol  Making garlic naked.  Those little fingers, fishing out garlic & removing the chaff.  Boring for adults, but they love helping.  Lovely family.   I will probably make this, this fall,  but on a smaller scale.  I RUN HOT, and live in the desert. I have done cider vinegar, cayenne pepper & maple syrup before.

I'll back up what Esther said - If I could only keep ONE remedy, fire cider would be it. I swear by it... I am fixin to make some, right after harvest... it has to cook for 4 to 6 weeks, so I will have it again around the end of october, and will take a shot a day all winter long. Make more than you think you need - that gallon, once it is done and strained only makes a couple quarts and some... So there ain't as much as you think. And it goes away pretty fast too.

Yes I am a fan of the Fouch family... Though they are more the hippie style of homesteader - We have them kind mixed in up here too... Good folks. Watched em all the time for a while there. They dropped off Youtube a year or more ago, and are not producing anymore. Don't know why.  :shrug:

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« Reply #3288 on: August 02, 2020, 11:55:56 pm »
I'll back up what Esther said - If I could only keep ONE remedy, fire cider would be it. I swear by it... I am fixin to make some, right after harvest... it has to cook for 4 to 6 weeks, so I will have it again around the end of october, and will take a shot a day all winter long. Make more than you think you need - that gallon, once it is done and strained only makes a couple quarts and some... So there ain't as much as you think. And it goes away pretty fast too.

Yes I am a fan of the Fouch family... Though they are more the hippie style of homesteader - We have them kind mixed in up here too... Good folks. Watched em all the time for a while there. They dropped off Youtube a year or more ago, and are not producing anymore. Don't know why.  :shrug:

Compost the left overs?  I would say, YOUTUBE, removed them.  This means people would keep WELL...not wanted by the NWO...ELITES.  Probably help fight covid too. 

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« Reply #3289 on: August 03, 2020, 02:19:34 am »
Compost the left overs?

Sure, or to the chickens or pigs...

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I would say, YOUTUBE, removed them.  This means people would keep WELL...not wanted by the NWO...ELITES.  Probably help fight covid too.

I don't know why... You might be right - Lord knows my homesteader  stuff has been decimated - Not quite as bad as religious content that has any real bite but still - I would bet way better than 25% of the homesteader type stuff I have subbed to got the axe - Usually for gun stuff or butchering, but the Fouchs did none of that... Just disappeared one day. and nothing on other media to say what happened  :shrug:

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It may. There's a very wide range of possibilities there since there's no written record of how it was acquired... Learning from trial and error over long periods I would say is science based with the available resources at the time. Testing, experimenting and getting a repeatable result based on what was learned is science. But there's also the Voodoo end of the spectrum which is anything but...
There are two branches to the sort of medicine you are talking about. One is herbal, nutritional, and has been practiced for thousands of years. Many of the common weeds you ay encounter have a medicinal use, forgotten in the pill pushers world.
The other aspect of that is spiritual, and that gets really scary. Mrs Joe had the opportunity to learn to be a medicine woman from her great aunt, but was frankly frightened off by the spiritual aspect. It does not mesh well with Christianity, although the demons encountered in that end of it are much the same. THere is a very dark and dangerous side to it all. @roamer_1 
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08-03-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)   17.005 ↑    1.481 -
United States   15.030 ↑    2.022 ↑

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Largest case rises occurred in FL, CA, TX, LA, & GA.

Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago:  +16.

14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,359,968.

Global Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 17.
US Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 15.
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08-03-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)   17.005 ↑    1.481 -
United States   15.030 ↑    2.022 ↑

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Largest case rises occurred in FL, CA, TX, LA, & GA.

Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago:  +16.

14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,359,968.

Global Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 17.
US Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 15.
In other countries hydroxychloroquine is available over the counter.
In the US there is still a lot of friction and in places it's off label use is banned.
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At Huntington Beach, 40 churches have been coming together since they were closed down. Friday over 2,000 people showed up and as the cops tried to stop it, the people started worshipping even louder. Such an amazing video @realDonaldTrump @POTUS #GodWins #HuntingtonBeach

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3294 on: August 04, 2020, 09:54:52 am »
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"I don't think I can emphasize it enough, as the director for the Centers for Disease Control, the leading public health agency in the world: it is in the public health interest that these K-12 students get the schools back open for face-to-face learning."

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3295 on: August 04, 2020, 10:02:28 am »
We are under attack damnit! And one does not hunker down in that circumstance!
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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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« Reply #3297 on: August 04, 2020, 12:26:32 pm »
In other countries hydroxychloroquine is available over the counter.
In the US there is still a lot of friction and in places it's off label use is banned.

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Fauci Attacks Church Choirs, Implies Worship Is Less Important Than Protests
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Dr. Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, in June said churches should consider suspending their choir if located in an area with a high infection rate. On Friday, Fauci refused to say whether large protests should also be suspended.

“My recommendation still holds that the choirs should refrain from singing. When you sing and you protect your voice, the aerosols of the virus come out,” he said, contradicting Centers for Disease Control recommendations on socially distanced worship.  ...

During a House hearing of the committee investigating the Trump administration’s pandemic response, Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) asked Fauci, “Do protests increase the spread of the virus?”

“Crowding together, particularly when you’re not wearing a mask, contributes to the spread of the virus,” Fauci said. Jordan asked the question again. Fauci dodged, then claimed he didn’t think the protests question was relevant. “I’m not in a position to determine what the government can do in a forceful way,” he said.
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Singing expels no more little virus critters than speaking does, or so I've been told. At our church, choir practice and performance already have been suspended (none since early March). We do have Sunday morning in-person worship, though. Everyone tries to sing through their masks. Everyone, that is, except for a few fellow choir members and I who sit in the choir loft (at least six feet apart) and take off our masks to sing. Otherwise, hymn #399 would sound like, "Mmmph, mmmph mmmph mmmph..."
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