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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2250 on: May 17, 2020, 04:11:41 pm »
Nope. Shutting down a country? You've got to be kidding me.

@roamer_1 she all for shutting down the country the way the Lockdown Inc people want us to do for as long as they say and she'll try to ridicule and shame you into bending to her way of seeing things.


It's everything wrong with this silliness and ginned up panic over this particular virus.
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« Reply #2251 on: May 17, 2020, 04:28:16 pm »
@roamer_1 she all for shutting down the country the way the Lockdown Inc people want us to do for as long as they say and she'll try to ridicule and shame you into bending to her way of seeing things.


It's everything wrong with this silliness and ginned up panic over this particular virus.

Never paid it no mind at all.
locking down the sick and susceptible is 'quarantine'
Locking up everyone is tyranny, and I knew not to comply immediately.,

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« Reply #2252 on: May 17, 2020, 04:29:49 pm »
Never paid it no mind at all.
locking down the sick and susceptible is 'quarantine'
Locking up everyone is tyranny, and I knew not to comply immediately.,

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« Reply #2253 on: May 17, 2020, 04:38:28 pm »
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2254 on: May 17, 2020, 04:39:07 pm »
Leaving this thread for a while with this  fact....

The 1824 Supreme Court case, Gibbons v Ogden states that the individual states have the authority Constitutionally to enact quarantine laws and health laws of every description.


If you boys feel your states are overstepping their Constitutional authority to protect their citizens, then I suggest you either move to a more Conservative state or elect more Conservative state leaders.



I come to this thread occasionally for information, which most posters provide.   But I stay away from it when the conspiracy nonsense starts oozing out.

So for now.....   :seeya:
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2255 on: May 17, 2020, 04:43:37 pm »
Is it safe to say I'm worried about the major infringements upon our constitutional rights yet?
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2256 on: May 17, 2020, 04:49:47 pm »
Leaving this thread for a while with this  fact....

The 1824 Supreme Court case, Gibbons v Ogden states that the individual states have the authority Constitutionally to enact quarantine laws and health laws of every description.


If you boys feel your states are overstepping their Constitutional authority to protect their citizens, then I suggest you either move to a more Conservative state or elect more Conservative state leaders.



I come to this thread occasionally for information, which most posters provide.   But I stay away from it when the conspiracy nonsense starts oozing out.

So for now.....   :seeya:

Clearly you never actually read Ogden and relied on someone's facebook meme about it.

Ogden states:

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Gibbons v. Ogden, 22 U.S. (9 Wheat.) 1 (1824), was a landmark decision in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the power to regulate interstate commerce, granted to Congress by the Commerce Clause of the United States Constitution, encompassed the power to regulate navigation.[1][2] The case was argued by some of America's most admired and capable attorneys at the time. Exiled Irish patriot Thomas Addis Emmet and Thomas J. Oakley argued for Ogden, while U.S. Attorney General William Wirt and Daniel Webster argued for Gibbons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbons_v._Ogden

No where in Ogden does it say anything about "the states right to quarantine".

Tell me again about who is providing information and who is dawdling in "conspiracy nonsense"?

Here's the courts final ruling from the link above:

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The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in favor of Gibbons. Congress had the right to regulate interstate commerce. The sole decided source of Congress's power to promulgate the law at issue was the Commerce Clause. Accordingly, the Court had to answer whether the law regulated "commerce" that was "among the several states." With respect to "commerce," the Court held that commerce is more than mere traffic—that it is the trade of commodities. This broader definition includes navigation. The Court interpreted "among" as "intermingled with."

"If, as has always been understood, the sovereignty of Congress, though limited to specified objects, is plenary as to those objects, the power over commerce with foreign nations and among the several states is vested in Congress as absolutely as it would be in a single government, having in its constitution the same restrictions on the exercise of the power as are found in the Constitution of the United States."

The part of the ruling which stated that any license granted under the Federal Coasting Act of 1793 takes precedence over any similar license granted by a state is also in the spirit of the Supremacy Clause, although the Court did not specifically cite this clause.

The Court did not discuss the argument pressed for Gibbons by U.S. Attorney General Wirt that the federal patent laws preempted New York's patent grant to Fulton and Livingston.[8] That question remained undecided for the next 140 years until the Supreme Court held in Sears, Roebuck & Co. v. Stiffel Co. (1964) that federal patent law preempted similar state laws.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2257 on: May 17, 2020, 04:50:14 pm »
Is it safe to say I'm worried about the major infringements upon our constitutional rights yet?

More than safe to say.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2258 on: May 17, 2020, 04:52:08 pm »
More than safe to say.

Used to be, anyway....now it's just paranoia. :shrug:
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« Reply #2259 on: May 17, 2020, 05:04:50 pm »
Used to be, anyway....now it's just paranoia. :shrug:

Sometimes it is.  Sometimes being vigilant and aware and educated doesn't mean thinking there's evil lurking around every corner and everyone in the world is out to get you.  Sometimes all you have to do is find the experts you trust who have no ulterior motive and believe that their education and expertise is what informs their advice.

Sometimes wearing a mask to keep other people safe is just that.....

Being caring enough to keep your neighbors safe and educated enough to know what helps.  No sheep.  No goats.  No evil lurking.  No conspiracy.

It's seriously better for one's emotional well being.

Seriously.


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I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2260 on: May 17, 2020, 05:26:13 pm »
Leaving this thread for a while with this  fact....

The 1824 Supreme Court case, Gibbons v Ogden states that the individual states have the authority Constitutionally to enact quarantine laws and health laws of every description.


But we're not dealing with quarantine "laws".  We are dealing with edicts and mandates issued by governors with zero legislative backing.
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« Reply #2261 on: May 17, 2020, 05:31:49 pm »
But we're not dealing with quarantine "laws".  We are dealing with edicts and mandates issued by governors with zero legislative backing.

@Hoodat she's note ben dealing with "quarantine laws" the case she cited has nothing to do with them.
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« Reply #2262 on: May 17, 2020, 05:31:58 pm »
Sometimes it is.  Sometimes being vigilant and aware and educated doesn't mean thinking there's evil lurking around every corner and everyone in the world is out to get you.  Sometimes all you have to do is find the experts you trust who have no ulterior motive and believe that their education and expertise is what informs their advice.

Sometimes wearing a mask to keep other people safe is just that.....

Being caring enough to keep your neighbors safe and educated enough to know what helps.  No sheep.  No goats.  No evil lurking.  No conspiracy.

It's seriously better for one's emotional well being.

Seriously.

Yeah... no.

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« Reply #2263 on: May 17, 2020, 05:36:57 pm »
@Hoodat she's note ben dealing with "quarantine laws" the case she cited has nothing to do with them.

Besides, that is already covered under Amendment X.  The problem today is outlaw governors who are violating their own State laws and Constitutions.  The governor of Wisconsin just got smacked down by his own State Supreme Court.  So no, there is nothing in Gibbons that gives governors the right to violate the laws of their own States.
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« Reply #2264 on: May 17, 2020, 05:41:31 pm »
Besides, that is already covered under Amendment X.  The problem today is outlaw governors who are violating their own State laws and Constitutions.  The governor of Wisconsin just got smacked down by his own State Supreme Court.  So no, there is nothing in Gibbons that gives governors the right to violate the laws of their own States.

My governor has been getting smacked around pretty good in the 1st Amendment area lately...and rightfully so.  I'm waiting form someone to step in and put a halt to the racism being put on full display by the Michigan Governor.
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« Reply #2265 on: May 17, 2020, 05:44:14 pm »
My governor has been getting smacked around pretty good in the 1st Amendment area lately...and rightfully so.  I'm waiting form someone to step in and put a halt to the racism being put on full display by the Michigan Governor.

We got a crat governor too... But he knows better. Besides, nobody is listening to it anymore.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2266 on: May 17, 2020, 05:45:00 pm »
OK, stop it. This is not even remotely true.

The smell of farts comes from sulfide molecules. The smallest of these, hydrogen sulfide, is two hydrogen atoms and a sulfur atom. No air filter can stop a molecule that small. Only an airtight barrier could stop a fart.

A virus molecule is several orders of magnitude larger than the sulfides and thiols that constitute the smelly part of a fart, especially a virus that has a lipid (complex carbon) outer layer like coronavirus does. Coronavirus molecules are, relatively speaking, HUGE.

So say what you will about whether or not these viruses can be stopped with a mask, in or out, but this argument that "it can't stop a fart" is so grossly unscientific that it must have come from some overseas Facebook troll farm.
If that coronavirus molecule is "huge", keep in mind the pores in an N-95 mask are even larger.

(I have worn respirators that will stop the smell of a fart. They have a limited ability to capture H2S with the right filters. They are not certified as either escape or entry equipment for even STEL/TLV environments, but it is a feature that comes with the acid gas filters. They are a quantum leap above what is being touted as "safe".)

That doesn't even go into portable air filtration units used to provide positive pressure environments, nor SCBA, nor piped in air in full suits, which would be more compliant with BSL-4 protocols.

What is being bandied about as 'safe' is really on the low end of the protective spectrum.
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« Reply #2267 on: May 17, 2020, 05:45:54 pm »
We got a crat governor too... But he knows better. Besides, nobody is listening to it anymore.

Same here in Colorado (where I'm stationed not where home is).  Went in Walmart last Saturday and despite the very clearly worded notice stating otherwise...my self and about 70% of the people in the store weren't wearing masks.

And paying attention to those one way direction signs on the floor wasn't even a thought in my mind.
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« Reply #2268 on: May 17, 2020, 05:47:31 pm »
If that coronavirus molecule is "huge", keep in mind the pores in an N-95 mask are even larger.

(I have worn respirators that will stop the smell of a fart. They have a limited ability to capture H2S with the right filters. They are not certified as either escape or entry equipment for even STEL/TLV environments, but it is a feature that comes with the acid gas filters. They are a quantum leap above what is being touted as "safe".)

That doesn't even go into portable air filtration units used to provide positive pressure environments, nor SCBA, nor piped in air in full suits, which would be more compliant with BSL-4 protocols.

What is being bandied about as 'safe' is really on the low end of the protective spectrum.

But if it saves one life....  /sarc
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« Reply #2269 on: May 17, 2020, 05:48:30 pm »
Same here in Colorado (where I'm stationed not where home is).  Went in Walmart last Saturday and despite the very clearly worded notice stating otherwise...my self and about 70% of the people in the store weren't wearing masks.

And paying attention to those one way direction signs on the floor wasn't even a thought in my mind.
I didn't even notice the arrows in a local grocery store until I had gone down most of the aisles the wrong way already. Just lucky I didn't run up on a herd head to head...(the place was fairly empty).
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« Reply #2270 on: May 17, 2020, 05:55:35 pm »
I think even Fauci himself called the mask wearing, security theater.

I wear one just to get inside a store for provisions.

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« Reply #2271 on: May 17, 2020, 05:55:59 pm »
I've been saying we, the people would be willing to give the gummint 4-6 weeks before we start to rebel against "sheltering in place.  After that, it will require force by the gummint to keep people in their place.

True to form, while most states have lifted most restrictions, the Rat-run states are trying to maintain the grip, and in those states we're seeing people starting to fight back.  This will not go well for blue states.

For noting this, I am called paranoid.  Go figger. :shrug:

Semi-related:  Why do people always leave out the last three words of the 10th Amendment?  The 10th is not just about States Rights.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2272 on: May 17, 2020, 05:57:44 pm »
I think even Fauci himself called the mask wearing, security theater.

I wear one just to get inside a store for provisions.

"Security Theater."  I like that.
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« Reply #2273 on: May 17, 2020, 05:58:22 pm »
I think even Fauci himself called the mask wearing, security theater.

I wear one just to get inside a store for provisions.

The only reason I do it at all these days is because I don't want the full weight and authority of a Two Star General coming down on me in the last couple months I have as a member of the Green Machine when I want to walk into the PX or the Commissary.

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« Reply #2274 on: May 17, 2020, 06:03:25 pm »
Oh lucky me. I have many respirators... Pretty good ones. I have no idea where they are... But I don't own own of those silly ass masks. And I won't wear one.

And I won't have to.

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« Reply #2275 on: May 17, 2020, 06:05:42 pm »
For noting this, I am called paranoid.  Go figger. :shrug:


Dope smokers are paranoid. You must be one of those weed puffin hippies too.

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« Reply #2276 on: May 17, 2020, 06:25:21 pm »
Dope smokers are paranoid. You must be one of those weed puffin hippies too.

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That must be it.  Flashbacks from the 70's.

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« Reply #2277 on: May 17, 2020, 06:27:16 pm »
Oh lucky me. I have many respirators... Pretty good ones. I have no idea where they are... But I don't own own of those silly ass masks. And I won't wear one.

And I won't have to.

I've been half tempted just break out my M40 protective mask just to freak people out.
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« Reply #2278 on: May 17, 2020, 06:28:42 pm »
Oh lucky me. I have many respirators... Pretty good ones. I have no idea where they are... But I don't own own of those silly ass masks. And I won't wear one.

And I won't have to.

I just found my kid's old paintball mask.  Maybe I should wear that to the Home Despot.
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« Reply #2279 on: May 17, 2020, 06:30:59 pm »
I've been half tempted just break out my M40 protective mask just to freak people out.

LOL!

A trailer hitch with a couple tanks towed around behind you as you're walking along might be a nice touch...  :laugh:

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« Reply #2280 on: May 17, 2020, 06:39:19 pm »
LOL!

A trailer hitch with a couple tanks towed around behind you as you're walking along might be a nice touch...  :laugh:

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2281 on: May 17, 2020, 06:40:02 pm »
I just found my kid's old paintball mask.  Maybe I should wear that to the Home Despot.

It all depends, is their paint all over it or is it fairly clean?   happy77    I've seen masks with smiley 'joker faces' and camouflage; anything goes.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2282 on: May 17, 2020, 06:51:28 pm »
It all depends, is their paint all over it or is it fairly clean?   happy77    I've seen masks with smiley 'joker faces' and camouflage; anything goes.

It's clean, had not been hit with a ball.  It looks like a Darth Vader mask with eyes you can see through.
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« Reply #2283 on: May 17, 2020, 07:19:51 pm »
Dope smokers are paranoid. You must be one of those weed puffin hippies too.

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« Reply #2284 on: May 17, 2020, 07:22:52 pm »
In many states, it is illegal to enter a store with a mask on.
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« Reply #2285 on: May 17, 2020, 07:25:06 pm »
It's clean, had not been hit with a ball.  It looks like a Darth Vader mask with eyes you can see through.

Go for it!  It matches your "secret agent man" persona.  888blackhat

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« Reply #2286 on: May 17, 2020, 07:32:47 pm »
I've been half tempted just break out my M40 protective mask just to freak people out.
That won't freak anyone out. People are wearing Spiderman, Batman, KKK, Cat, masks among others. People are wearing all kinds of weird crap out there. I'm not sure all of them know it is a joke. They just heard 'wear a mask', so they wore a mask.



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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2287 on: May 17, 2020, 07:41:05 pm »
I've been half tempted just break out my M40 protective mask just to freak people out.
I have an old WWII/Korea era gas mask, but I have full face respirator and tyveks, and nitrile gauntlets, too...

Decisions, decisions...

Correction, it's an M17A2 model, after 1959.
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« Reply #2288 on: May 17, 2020, 07:45:10 pm »
I've been half tempted just break out my M40 protective mask just to freak people out.

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People will try to either buy it from you,or shame you out of it by telling you they need it for a child.
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« Reply #2289 on: May 17, 2020, 10:13:38 pm »
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    I passed that point of Paranoid back in the 70's (on pot).  With my extensive experience I have now perfected that into '"I'm OK, It's YOU that is f*cked Up!.

LOL! And you may be right...  :beer:

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« Reply #2290 on: May 17, 2020, 11:32:03 pm »
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2292 on: May 18, 2020, 10:39:16 am »
Coronavirus cases have yet to spike in US areas reopening, HHS head says

We should find out after two weeks whether or not there's a spike.

Retail here opened last week, so in another week, we'll find out if there are any significant additional cases.

Yesterday's numbers in Ohio were very promising....... 384 additional cases from Saturday to Sunday (confirmed), and only 15 additional confirmed deaths (some of the lowest numbers since early April).

Since deaths are a lagging indicator, it will probably take longer to assess if opening up has affected things, but the number of cases should show up in the next week.  We've had patio dining in restaurants open up already, and indoor eating will come later this week.  (The bars are where the trouble will probably be...... social distancing while drunk is not likely).

I'll be keeping track of the numbers (confirmed, not the additional CDC numbers) and report back as to whether or not we've had a spike here.
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« Reply #2293 on: May 18, 2020, 11:45:04 am »
Coronavirus cases have yet to spike in US areas reopening, HHS head says

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WTH?????

HOW is he in a position to make that claim,when it can ONLY be made a couple of weeks after the peak infection level has passed,and is determined to have passed by the lower number of new cases?

Whoever misspoke THAT brain fart needs to be fired.
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« Reply #2294 on: May 18, 2020, 12:02:34 pm »
@jmyrlefuller

WTH?????

HOW is he in a position to make that claim,when it can ONLY be made a couple of weeks after the peak infection level has passed,and is determined to have passed by the lower number of new cases?

Whoever misspoke THAT brain fart needs to be fired.

We started opening the last week of April @sneakypete ... with no bump in incidents whatsoever. But then, we hardly had it here anyhow.

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« Reply #2295 on: May 18, 2020, 01:15:48 pm »
05-18-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)  6.482 ↑  2.227 ↓
United States  3.807 ↑  4.410 ↓
China 16.881 ↓  1.060 -

US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 750,755
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 29.1 %  ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 35.1 %  ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Global recovery rates (reported) are over twice US rates.  Recoveries continue to go unreported.
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« Reply #2296 on: May 18, 2020, 01:31:34 pm »
@jmyrlefuller

WTH?????

HOW is he in a position to make that claim,when it can ONLY be made a couple of weeks after the peak infection level has passed,and is determined to have passed by the lower number of new cases?

Whoever misspoke THAT brain fart needs to be fired.
Consider, though: the average incubation period is about 5½ days, and testing has improved, both in speed and availability, dramatically since the beginning of the outbreak. Now instead of 2-3 weeks from the date of infection, it's closer to 7-10 days on average before the positive test shows up—and that's even before contact tracing catches any asymptomatic carriers in a positive case's inner circle. So it's likely that any substantial increase would start showing up by now.

(He also said "yet.")
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« Reply #2297 on: May 18, 2020, 01:44:25 pm »
Consider, though: the average incubation period is about 5½ days, and testing has improved, both in speed and availability, dramatically since the beginning of the outbreak. Now instead of 2-3 weeks from the date of infection, it's closer to 7-10 days on average before the positive test shows up—and that's even before contact tracing catches any asymptomatic carriers in a positive case's inner circle. So it's likely that any substantial increase would start showing up by now.

(He also said "yet.")

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thanks.

 
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« Reply #2298 on: May 18, 2020, 04:12:14 pm »
Avoiding Risks During Reopening

Fascinating study of how the Coronavirus has spread (factually) and how to avoid the risks of being in the same situation.  Remembering that many, many people are asymptomatic (and in these particular cases were not showing any signs of the disease), it's good to know what situations to avoid, and which are less risky.

For example, being in an enclosed indoor space (even with social distancing) is much riskier than being together outside.

The article lists some risky situations based on where the disease actually spread.  Especially interesting to me was the tragic choir rehearsal in Washington, where precautions were taken to keep people safe, yet 45 of 60 people in the choir got sick and two died....

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Choir: The community choir in Washington State. Even though people were aware of the virus and took steps to minimize transfer; e.g. they avoided the usual handshakes and hugs hello, people also brought their own music to avoid sharing, and socially distanced themselves during practice. They even went to the lengths to tell choir members prior to practice that anyone experiencing symptoms should stay home.  A single asymptomatic carrier infected most of the people in attendance. The choir sang for 2 1/2 hours, inside an enclosed rehearsal hall which was roughly the size of a volleyball court.

Singing, to a greater degree than talking, aerosolizes respiratory droplets extraordinarily well. Deep-breathing while singing facilitated those respiratory droplets getting deep into the lungs. Two and half hours of exposure ensured that people were exposed to enough virus over a long enough period of time for infection to take place. Over a period of 4 days, 45 of the 60 choir members developed symptoms, 2 died. The youngest infected was 31, but they averaged 67 years old. (corrected link)

Good reason for churches NOT to have choir practice.  The infected person was asymptomatic and precautions were taken and yet.....



The restaurant example from China is particularly revealing because some people near the (asymptomatic) infected person did not get sick because of the air flow, but many others did.... (diagram in article)

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Restaurants: Some really great shoe-leather epidemiology demonstrated clearly the effect of a single asymptomatic carrier in a restaurant environment (see below). The infected person (A1) sat at a table and had dinner with 9 friends. Dinner took about 1 to 1.5 hours. During this meal, the asymptomatic carrier released low-levels of virus into the air from their breathing. Airflow (from the restaurant's various airflow vents) was from right to left. Approximately 50% of the people at the infected person's table became sick over the next 7 days. 75% of the people on the adjacent downwind table became infected. And even 2 of the 7 people on the upwind table were infected (believed to happen by turbulent airflow). No one at tables E or F became infected, they were out of the main airflow from the air conditioner on the right to the exhaust fan on the left of the room. (Ref)

It's critical that we continue to open up the economy, but it's also important that we understand how to keep as safe as possible.

For those interested, it's a good read.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2299 on: May 18, 2020, 04:20:37 pm »
Avoiding Risks During Reopening

Fascinating study of how the Coronavirus has spread (factually) and how to avoid the risks of being in the same situation.  Remembering that many, many people are asymptomatic (and in these particular cases were not showing any signs of the disease), it's good to know what situations to avoid, and which are less risky.

For example, being in an enclosed indoor space (even with social distancing) is much riskier than being together outside.

The article lists some risky situations based on where the disease actually spread.  Especially interesting to me was the tragic choir rehearsal in Washington, where precautions were taken to keep people safe, yet 45 of 60 people in the choir got sick and two died....

Good reason for churches NOT to have choir practice.  The infected person was asymptomatic and precautions were taken and yet.....



The restaurant example from China is particularly revealing because some people near the (asymptomatic) infected person did not get sick because of the air flow, but many others did.... (diagram in article)

It's critical that we continue to open up the economy, but it's also important that we understand how to keep as safe as possible.

For those interested, it's a good read.

That's very interesting News we can Use!  Thanks!   :beer:
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