Author Topic: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2 (Read 198635 times)

libertybele · « **Reply #1600 on:** April 21, 2020, 09:26:46 pm »

IF this information is accurate; the bad news about this virus just keeps getting worse. This is why perhaps people are testing positive again...there is no end to this. So ... go out and enjoy life as much as you can for as long as you can.

Coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different strains, study finds

The novel coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different genetic variations, according to a new study in China.

The results showed that medical officials have vastly underestimated the overall ability of the virus to mutate, in finding that different strains have affected different parts of the world, leading to potential difficulties in finding an overall cure.

The study, which was carried out by professor Li Lanjuan and colleagues from Zhejiang University in Hangzhou, China, was published in a non-peer reviewed paper released on Sunday.

The researchers analyzed the strains from 11 randomly chosen coronavirus patients from Hangzhou, where there have been 1,264 reported cases, and then tested how efficiently they could infect and kill cells. China's coronavirus numbers, however, have been questioned, as they have not been verified.

More than 30 different mutations of the virus were detected, of which 19 were previously undiscovered.

â€œSars-CoV-2 has acquired mutations capable of substantially changing its pathogenicity,â€ Li wrote in the paper........

https://www.foxnews.com/science/coronavirus-mutated-at-least-30-different-strains-study-finds

Hoodat · « **Reply #1601 on:** April 21, 2020, 09:28:05 pm »

Not only can we not trust China's numbers, we can't trust Pennsylvania's either.

Formerly Once-Ler · « **Reply #1602 on:** April 21, 2020, 09:30:49 pm »

Good on my President for starting today's press conference with remembrance of the dead and mourning. He should make that a habit.

jmyrlefuller · « **Reply #1603 on:** April 21, 2020, 10:11:19 pm »

Quote from: libertybele on April 21, 2020, 09:26:46 pm

Coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different strains, study finds
The study, which was carried out by professor Li Lanjuan and colleagues from Zhejiang University in Hangzhou, China, was published in a non-peer reviewed paper released on Sunday.

The researchers analyzed the strains from 11 randomly chosen coronavirus patients from Hangzhou (...)More than 30 different mutations of the virus were detected, of which 19 were previously undiscovered.

Yeah, this looks more like disinformation than legitimate research.

Formerly Once-Ler · « **Reply #1604 on:** April 21, 2020, 10:29:31 pm »

I just finished watching today's press conference by President Trump. It was very very good. No finger pointing, lots of praise for rat congress and rat Governors like Cuomo working with him. No grips about the media. Re-iterated that saving lives is our first priority. Re-iterated social distancing and small social groups. Re-iterated they are monitoring everything and strategy is reassessed based on the data. I missed Dr Fauci but A+

sneakypete · « **Reply #1605 on:** April 21, 2020, 10:58:05 pm »

Quote from: Once-Ler on April 21, 2020, 09:18:35 pm

@sneakypete I've noticed that some of the most extreme signs are held by masked people in a sea of unmasked protesters. I makes me wonder if the sign is extreme because the guy holding it is a plant or agitator. It's possible they just want to conceal their face to protect against doxing, but it makes it hard to believe the message is legitimate. Thanx for your reply. I don't know that was the point you were making, but it helped me frame the situation more fully

@Once-Ler

I strongly suspect she was both an agitator,and a leader. Or at least a leader on the "street level". The real leaders never expose themselves to the public eye and risk arrest. Remember,these people are communists and operate under the cell system of layers of groups that are independent of each other,and only connected by someone in the next step in the leadership chain who gives them their marching orders.

Smokin Joe · « **Reply #1606 on:** April 21, 2020, 11:28:00 pm »

Quote from: libertybele on April 21, 2020, 09:26:46 pm

IF this information is accurate; the bad news about this virus just keeps getting worse. This is why perhaps people are testing positive again...there is no end to this. So ... go out and enjoy life as much as you can for as long as you can.

Coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different strains, study finds

The novel coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different genetic variations, according to a new study in China.

The results showed that medical officials have vastly underestimated the overall ability of the virus to mutate, in finding that different strains have affected different parts of the world, leading to potential difficulties in finding an overall cure.

The study, which was carried out by professor Li Lanjuan and colleagues from Zhejiang University in Hangzhou, China, was published in a non-peer reviewed paper released on Sunday.

The researchers analyzed the strains from 11 randomly chosen coronavirus patients from Hangzhou, where there have been 1,264 reported cases, and then tested how efficiently they could infect and kill cells. China's coronavirus numbers, however, have been questioned, as they have not been verified.

More than 30 different mutations of the virus were detected, of which 19 were previously undiscovered.

â€œSars-CoV-2 has acquired mutations capable of substantially changing its pathogenicity,â€ Li wrote in the paper........

https://www.foxnews.com/science/coronavirus-mutated-at-least-30-different-strains-study-finds

So is that more deadly or less deadly? A vaccine will be of questionable efficacy against a 30+ strain pathogen.
No point in waiting for that.

In the meantime, the Democrats are trying to crush the economy beyond not just a quick recovery, but any recovery at all.

Formerly Once-Ler · « **Reply #1607 on:** April 21, 2020, 11:37:04 pm »

Quote from: Smokin Joe on April 21, 2020, 11:28:00 pm

So is that more deadly or less deadly? A vaccine will be of questionable efficacy against a 30+ strain pathogen.
No point in waiting for that.

In the meantime, the Democrats are trying to crush the economy beyond not just a quick recovery, but any recovery at all.

by voting unanimously with the GOP Senate? shame.

Smokin Joe · « **Reply #1608 on:** April 21, 2020, 11:51:35 pm »

Quote from: Once-Ler on April 21, 2020, 11:37:04 pm

by voting unanimously with the GOP Senate? shame.

No. By inflating COVID-19 death numbers in places like NY and PA to push for longer shutdowns.

Besides , if the Democrats voted unanimously for something, it's likely bad.

Formerly Once-Ler · « **Reply #1609 on:** April 22, 2020, 12:18:34 am »

Quote from: Smokin Joe on April 21, 2020, 11:51:35 pm

No. By inflating COVID-19 death numbers in places like NY and PA to push for longer shutdowns.

NY doesn't need to inflate their numbers. Gov Cuomo, and Mayor duhBlasio are presiding over the #1 infections and deathtoll by wide margins. Their shutdown will not stop the opening of ND. PA is number 5 for infections. They ain't opening anytime soon either.

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Besides , if the Democrats voted unanimously for something, it's likely bad.

No blame to the GOP Majority Leader, unanimous GOP Senators, or President Trump who joined them? Thats OAN fair.

Smokin Joe · « **Reply #1610 on:** April 22, 2020, 06:47:07 am »

Quote from: Once-Ler on April 22, 2020, 12:18:34 am

NY doesn't need to inflate their numbers. Gov Cuomo, and Mayor duhBlasio are presiding over the #1 infections and deathtoll by wide margins. Their shutdown will not stop the opening of ND. PA is number 5 for infections. They ain't opening anytime soon either.

No blame to the GOP Majority Leader, unanimous GOP Senators, or President Trump who joined them? Thats OAN fair.

NY may not need to, but that didn't stop them from dumping 3700 deaths in the lap of the coronavirus a few days ago as "presumptive" coronavirus deaths. That sort of book-cooking may end up wasting research dollars in the future trying to account for anomalies that only exist in accounting, or even divert resources today that might be more useful elsewhere.

mountaineer · « **Reply #1611 on:** April 22, 2020, 08:30:04 am »

A coroner in Pennsylvania has challenged the state's health secretary on attributing deaths to the virus when that wasn't the cause:

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EXCLUSIVE: Lycoming County Coroner Kiessling challenges Sec. Levine on COVID-19 death reporting
April 21, 2020
By Todd Bartley

Earlier today the Pennsylvania Department of Health announced two deaths attributed to COVID-19 in Lycoming County as first reported by News Talk 104.1.

On Tuesday evening, Lycoming County Coroner Charles Kiessling issued the following statement and video.

â€œIn my capacity as Lycoming County Coroner, there are zero â€œofficial deathsâ€ in Lycoming County thus far, contradicting the numbers Secretary Levine released today and raising serious concerns regarding their accuracy, with my office..

Please be advised going forward, for official Lycoming County information regarding Coronavirus numbers, please refer to this page only, and I will take responsibility in interacting with you with daily posts/video (3PM EST) until further notice.â€

Coroner Kiessling

WEJS (video at link)
_____________________
A Pa. state representative posted on Facebook:

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Rob Kauffman
18 hrs Â·

At this point, I will no longer be reporting data from the Department of Health. Overnight according to the PA Department of Health, the death total for COVID-19 in Franklin County went from 0 to 10. Currently, by provision of the County Code, County Coroners are getting all deaths reported to them, whether they are hospital, home or nursing home deaths. The Franklin County Coroner has 0 COVID-19 deaths on record. The PA Department of Health has 10 overnight. I cannot resolve this discrepancy and no one will answer the questions that I ask daily.

Gefn · « **Reply #1612 on:** April 22, 2020, 09:00:02 am »

Iâ€™m seeing a lot of news stories this morning saying because of coronavirus there are more birds, less pollution. Saw an amazing article how endangered sea turtles are coming back.

Maybe itâ€™s because of Earth Day, but itâ€™s a silver lining in these weird, scary times.

catfish1957 · « **Reply #1613 on:** April 22, 2020, 09:38:03 am »

Quote from: Gefn on April 22, 2020, 09:00:02 am

Iâ€™m seeing a lot of news stories this morning saying because of coronavirus there are more birds, less pollution. Saw an amazing article how endangered sea turtles are coming back.

Maybe itâ€™s because of Earth Day, but itâ€™s a silver lining in these weird, scary times.

Just more proof that nature will get along just fine after our species dies out.

corbe · « **Reply #1614 on:** April 22, 2020, 11:00:21 am »

Rose Cousins "The Benefits of Being Alone" OFFICIAL

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jmyrlefuller · « **Reply #1615 on:** April 22, 2020, 11:24:37 am »

Autopsies find first U.S. coronavirus death occurred in early February, weeks earlier than previously thought
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/autopsies-find-first-us-coronavirus-death-occurred-in-early-february-weeks-earlier-than-previously-thought/ar-BB131mhb

Hoodat · « **Reply #1616 on:** April 22, 2020, 11:32:25 am »

Quote from: jmyrlefuller on April 22, 2020, 11:24:37 am

Autopsies find first U.S. coronavirus death occurred in early February, weeks earlier than previously thought
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/autopsies-find-first-us-coronavirus-death-occurred-in-early-february-weeks-earlier-than-previously-thought/ar-BB131mhb

Aw geez, now they'll go back and count all the people who died in February and bump up the Covid-19 death count just to make Trump look bad.

DB · « **Reply #1617 on:** April 22, 2020, 01:47:50 pm »

"A mysterious blood-clotting complication is killing coronavirus patients"

https://www.thehour.com/news/article/A-mysterious-blood-clotting-complication-is-15218500.php

This doesn't sound very good. Just more ways this virus appears to be different than other corona viruses.

Hoodat · « **Reply #1618 on:** April 22, 2020, 01:51:33 pm »

Rolling Average for Georgia

Hoodat · « **Reply #1619 on:** April 22, 2020, 01:56:19 pm »

Quote from: DB on April 22, 2020, 01:47:50 pm

"A mysterious blood-clotting complication is killing coronavirus patients"

https://www.thehour.com/news/article/A-mysterious-blood-clotting-complication-is-15218500.php

This doesn't sound very good. Just more ways this virus appears to be different than other corona viruses.

Blood clots are not uncommon for sedated ICU patients. Is this clotting anomaly also affecting patients recovering at home?

Cyber Liberty · « **Reply #1620 on:** April 22, 2020, 02:05:19 pm »

Quote from: Hoodat on April 22, 2020, 01:56:19 pm

Blood clots are not uncommon for sedated ICU patients. Is this clotting anomaly also affecting patients recovering at home?

Clotting is presenting as secondary symptoms, like red to purple toes and fingers on people not yet hospitalized.

corbe · « **Reply #1621 on:** April 22, 2020, 07:58:54 pm »

Hoodat · « **Reply #1622 on:** April 22, 2020, 08:53:28 pm »

04-23-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)	4.221 â†‘	3.064 â†“
United States	1.764 â†“	10.098 â†‘
China	16.656 â†‘	1.073 -

US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 314,475
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 18.8 % â†“
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 44.6 % â†“

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

A 62% decline for Pennsylvania today, and a 51% decline for Michigan. You won't see that posted in any headline though.

Smokin Joe · « **Reply #1623 on:** April 22, 2020, 11:36:16 pm »

Quote from: corbe on April 22, 2020, 07:58:54 pm

Gotta love the Babylon Bee....

jmyrlefuller · « **Reply #1624 on:** April 23, 2020, 12:57:47 pm »

Nugget from the NY briefing today:
Initial reports from antibody testing are showing 1 in 5 New York City residents have COVID antibodies.

Hoodat · « **Reply #1625 on:** April 23, 2020, 09:49:22 pm »

04-24-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)	4.280 â†‘	3.012 â†“
United States	1.724 â†“	10.244 â†‘
China	16.668 â†‘	1.072 â†“

US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 329,922
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 18.5 % â†“
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 36.1 % â†“

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Cuomo commented today about how 20% of New Yorkers (City) have antibodies in their blood, and how they would be useful as plasma donors. Yet recoveries continue to go uncounted. Seems to me that one-fifth of the population of New York City should be added to the 'Recovered' count.

corbe · « **Reply #1626 on:** April 23, 2020, 10:40:09 pm »

truth_seeker · « **Reply #1627 on:** April 23, 2020, 10:54:33 pm »

Dozens of residents test positive for COVID-19 at Huntington Beach nursing home
Posted: Apr 22, 2020 / 08:23 AM PDT / Updated: Apr 22, 2020 / 08:23 AM PDT

Two patients at an Orange County nursing home died this week from COVID-19 as a coronavirus outbreak at the facility has sickened half its residents and several staff members.
Thus far, 48 other patients and 24 healthcare staff members at Huntington Valley Healthcare Center, 8382 Newman Ave. in Huntington Beach, have tested positivefor the coronavirus, according to a news release from the company.
Of the 48 sickened patients, 14 are in hospitals, but their status, including whether they were in ICU, was unknown by the company Tuesday evening, according to Huntington Valley officials. One of the patients, a 77-year-old man, died Monday night at a hospital, and the other patient, a 79-year-old man, died at the facility Tuesday. Company officials did not have information available Tuesday evening on whether the two patients had preexisting conditions.

mountaineer · « **Reply #1628 on:** April 24, 2020, 07:19:33 am »

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Company officials did not have information available Tuesday evening on whether the two patients had preexisting conditions.

If they didn't, why were they living in a nursing home? It wasn't a retirement village, it was a nursing home - "Healthcare Center."

jmyrlefuller · « **Reply #1629 on:** April 24, 2020, 11:45:58 am »

New York update:

Don't dwell too much on the bright yellow line. Note the actual bars. There's some noise, but 11 days after the apex, hospitalizations now match 10 days before the apex. In other words, it's roughly following a bell curve. If so, steep declines should begin showing up in the numbers soon.

catfish1957 · « **Reply #1630 on:** April 24, 2020, 11:57:01 am »

Quote from: jmyrlefuller on April 24, 2020, 11:45:58 am

New York update:

Don't dwell too much on the bright yellow line. Note the actual bars. There's some noise, but 11 days after the apex, hospitalizations now match 10 days before the apex. In other words, it's roughly following a bell curve. If so, steep declines should begin showing up in the numbers soon.

If you extrapolate that graph hospitalizations should taper off to near zero in June.

catfish1957 · « **Reply #1631 on:** April 24, 2020, 12:00:32 pm »

Woohoo.....

Yum....Wife is making Wuhan Batshit Crazy Chicken tonight. With ultra spiced Ginger, and red hot chinese peppers? All Wokked up.........Get the pepto out for sure.

sneakypete · « **Reply #1632 on:** April 24, 2020, 12:17:50 pm »

Quote from: catfish1957 on April 24, 2020, 12:00:32 pm

Woohoo.....

Yum....Wife is making Wuhan Batshit Crazy Chicken tonight. With ultra spiced Ginger, and red hot chinese peppers? All Wokked up.........Get the pepto out for sure.

@catfish1957

She does that to you,and you still live with her?

WHY?

Hoodat · « **Reply #1633 on:** April 24, 2020, 12:18:50 pm »

Wow, it has been so long since I had Wuhan Batshit Crazy Ginger Chicken.

catfish1957 · « **Reply #1634 on:** April 24, 2020, 12:28:40 pm »

Quote from: sneakypete on April 24, 2020, 12:17:50 pm

@catfish1957

She does that to you,and you still live with her?

WHY?

@sneakypete

I know the indigestion may do me in before the COVID-19. Actually, I do like a bit of spice in moderation. Long term and constant on the menu? I'd be dead of some form of ulcer in 6 months.

catfish1957 · « **Reply #1635 on:** April 24, 2020, 12:30:49 pm »

Quote from: Hoodat on April 24, 2020, 12:18:50 pm

Wow, it has been so long since I had Wuhan Batshit Crazy Ginger Chicken.

Mealtime quarantine style, has to get innovative. Hey tomorrow, I grill "Leg of Liberal".

GrouchoTex · « **Reply #1636 on:** April 24, 2020, 01:29:24 pm »

Quote from: catfish1957 on April 24, 2020, 12:28:40 pm

@sneakypete

I know the indigestion may do me in before the COVID-19. Actually, I do like a bit of spice in moderation. Long term and constant on the menu? I'd be dead of some form of ulcer in 6 months.

We are where we are, right.
Not sure it it is a Texas dish, or Barbecue, if Jalapenos don't come on the side, or part of the meal.

skeeter · « **Reply #1637 on:** April 24, 2020, 01:38:11 pm »

Quote from: catfish1957 on April 24, 2020, 12:30:49 pm

Mealtime quarantine style, has to get innovative. Hey tomorrow, I grill "Leg of Liberal".

I'd rather eat a cat.

PeteS in CA · « **Reply #1638 on:** April 24, 2020, 01:49:24 pm »

Quote from: Hoodat on April 24, 2020, 12:18:50 pm

Wow, it has been so long since I had Wuhan Batshit Crazy Ginger Chicken.

They have redheads in China?

Formerly Once-Ler · « **Reply #1639 on:** April 24, 2020, 03:11:55 pm »

Quote from: PeteS in CA on April 24, 2020, 01:49:24 pm

They have redheads in China?

lol

corbe · « **Reply #1640 on:** April 24, 2020, 04:15:34 pm »

Formerly Once-Ler · « **Reply #1641 on:** April 24, 2020, 04:32:23 pm »

Quote from: corbe on April 24, 2020, 04:15:34 pm

Why am I concerned about the American milk supply now!?!

Smokin Joe · « **Reply #1642 on:** April 24, 2020, 05:16:42 pm »

Quote from: corbe on April 24, 2020, 04:15:34 pm

Thank you for keeping us abreast of that development.

Cyber Liberty · « **Reply #1643 on:** April 24, 2020, 05:30:11 pm »

Quote from: corbe on April 24, 2020, 04:15:34 pm

It looks to be a bit nipply in that store.

Hoodat · « **Reply #1644 on:** April 24, 2020, 07:22:53 pm »

The run on bread turned out to be a bust.

corbe · « **Reply #1645 on:** April 24, 2020, 07:34:44 pm »

I'd love to see her in the Beer Aisle.

Hoodat · « **Reply #1646 on:** April 24, 2020, 10:02:25 pm »

04-25-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)	4.353 â†‘	2.982 â†“
United States	2.116 â†‘	8.377 â†“
China	16.679 â†‘	1.072 -

US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 330,470
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 22.4 % â†‘
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 40.2 % â†‘

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

A good day statistically for the US. There were 24k recoveries added. Number of new deaths fell everywhere except New England and Colorado. New York deaths below 500. New Jersey deaths below 200. Also, global case-to-recovery ration fell below 3 for the first time.

bigheadfred · « **Reply #1647 on:** April 25, 2020, 03:39:37 am »

Quote from: corbe on April 24, 2020, 07:34:44 pm

I'd love to see her in the Beer Aisle.

ya spelt eye'll her wrong, you boob

Formerly Once-Ler · « **Reply #1648 on:** April 25, 2020, 04:19:37 am »

Mar. 24: 704 deaths
Apr. 24: 51,017 deaths

50K dead in one month.

bigheadfred · « **Reply #1649 on:** April 25, 2020, 05:28:25 am »

Quote from: Once-Ler on April 25, 2020, 04:19:37 am

Mar. 24: 704 deaths
Apr. 24: 51,017 deaths

50K dead in one month.

https://www.worldometers.info/abortions/

Over 13,400,000 abortions this year

CELEBRATE, Over thirteen million people murdered who won't have to deal with death by covid.