Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2

[mountaineer]

We were talking about this above:

Survey: COVID-19 Affecting Patients’ Access to Cancer Care
Delays and Financial Strain Dominate Cancer Patients’ Experience in Pandemic
April 15, 2020

Washington, D.C.—Cancer patients and those who’ve recently completed treatment are finding it challenging to get necessary health care in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic and many are experiencing financial stress trying to afford care in an increasingly difficult economic environment.

According to the latest survey from Survivor Views, a national cohort of cancer patients and survivors who complete surveys on a range of public policy issues important to the cancer community, half (51%) of all those surveyed reported some impact on their care due to the virus. Of those who’ve experienced an effect, nearly 1 in 4 report a delay in care or treatment. Among those 1 in 4, the most common delays were for in-person provider appointments (50%); delayed access to imaging services to determine if a patient’s cancer had grown or returned (20%); access to supportive services, including physical therapy or mental health care (20%); and access to surgical procedures (8%).

Among just the respondents who remain in active treatment, more than a quarter (27%) report a delay in their care, and 13% say they don’t know when it will be rescheduled.   ...

More from American Cancer Society

[Formerly Once-Ler]

-$38?

Commodity market glitch.  No oil company is going to give you $38/bbl and oil on delivery.  Insanity X 1000.

I am going to buy Kuwait with my Trump check.

[catfish1957]

There is something more complicated than the typical exchange of goods with money going on here.  It's a futures commodity market, and there are external forces at work like expiring contracts.

The worse thing a commodity futures trader could ever hear:  "Where do you want it delivered?"  That's a bitch if you have 15 tons of Oats.

Exactly.  Beleive me....   There is no trader selling or buying oil at this price right now, or ever will. The sphinter will tighten up way before it truly goes much under $10/bbl delievered.  This is all a commodity trading glitch, but damned peculiar and unprecedented though.  When the smoke clears, I still see oil deliveries really somewhere between $10-30/bbl for the near term. 

[catfish1957]

I am going to buy Kuwait with my Trump check.

LOL....

I'd say this high stakes game of chicken between Russia and the Saudis got "REAL" ....   Real quick.

[Cyber Liberty]

Exactly.  Beleive me....   There is no trader selling or buying oil at this price right now, or ever will. The sphinter will tighten up way before it truly goes much under $10/bbl delievered.  This is all a commodity trading glitch, but damned peculiar and unprecedented though.  When the smoke clears, I still see oil deliveries really somewhere between $10-30/bbl for the near term.

Price stability is why futures markets exist in the first place.  The contracts in play today are for oil that physically moves to the refineries in May (I think). 

[catfish1957]

Price stability is why futures markets exist in the first place.  The contracts in play today are for oil that physically moves to the refineries in May (I think).

You might be able to correct me, but I thought these contract prices between producers (unintegrated) refinerers, storage facilites, etc were based on tempered rolling averages.   Say, of these crazy negative numbers were to persist, I'd expect a mass wave of Force Majeure moves.  Like I have said, earlier, I just don't envision a scenario where a producer pays for delivery. 

[Cyber Liberty]

You might be able to correct me, but I thought these contract prices between producers (unintegrated) refinerers, storage facilites, etc were based on tempered rolling averages.   Say, of these crazy negative numbers were to persist, I'd expect a mass wave of Force Majeure moves.  Like I have said, earlier, I just don't envision a scenario where a producer pays for delivery.

A situation cannot exist in nature where a producer pays the buyer to take the product.  That said, a system of regulations and rules creates an unnatural market, so who knows what will really happen?  It's unprecedented.  And I certainly do not have the knowledge chops to say you are wrong about any of this.

[jmyrlefuller]

A little bit of local good news:

The county next door to mine has fallen to two—yes, two—active cases after an outbreak late last month. No new cases in several days. I don't remember what their high point in active cases was; there've been 27 over the entire course of the outbreak. Their quarantine numbers have dropped to a quarter of what they were earlier this week.
https://wnynewsnow.com/2020/04/20/no-new-covid-19-cases-reported-in-chautauqua-county-monday/

(My county appears to be leveling off, despite an uptick in testing. Most of the new cases appear to be traced contacts and health-care workers who live on the other side of the county. 18 active cases here, 30 overall. None have died yet, thankfully, though there was a close call.)

[truth_seeker]

Hundreds of thousands in L.A. County may have been infected with coronavirus, study finds

April 20, 20201:12 PM UPDATED 2:29 PM
Hundreds of thousands of Los Angeles County residents may have been infected with the coronavirus by early April, far outpacing the number of officially confirmed cases, according to a report released Monday.
The initial results from the first large-scale study tracking the spread of the coronavirus in the county found that 2.8% to 5.6% of adults have antibodies to the virus in their blood, an indication of past exposure.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-20/coronavirus-serology-testing-la-county

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[Formerly Once-Ler]

LOL....

I'd say this high stakes game of chicken between Russia and the Saudis got "REAL" ....   Real quick.

Thank goodness our President spent so much time negotiating with both over the last 2 weeks.  Just think how much lower the oil price would be without him.

And great timing on refilling the national oil reserve.  #TheArtoftheDeal

[truth_seeker]

The previous LA Times article, LA County study, combined with Stanford Santa Clara studies draw many similar results, namely far more people have been exposed, which results in a far lower death percent.

STEM types will generally be more conversant, than Rhetoric, social studies, TDS loser types

[DB]

Hundreds of thousands in L.A. County may have been infected with coronavirus, study finds

April 20, 20201:12 PM UPDATED 2:29 PM
Hundreds of thousands of Los Angeles County residents may have been infected with the coronavirus by early April, far outpacing the number of officially confirmed cases, according to a report released Monday.
The initial results from the first large-scale study tracking the spread of the coronavirus in the county found that 2.8% to 5.6% of adults have antibodies to the virus in their blood, an indication of past exposure.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-20/coronavirus-serology-testing-la-county

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That's a pretty small percentage as far as providing any herd immunity. I wonder how accurate these antibody tests are relative to a specific strain? There are many other corona virus strains running around normally. Some mild, some not.

[Smokin Joe]

Yes there is capacity and it does need to be refilled. They tried to pass a bill to do that last month and...surprise...Pelosi killed it in the House.

There's room for 77,000,000 barrels of oil and a chance to fill it cheaper than any time in the last 40 years.

[Cyber Liberty]

Yes there is capacity and it does need to be refilled. They tried to pass a bill to do that last month and...surprise...Pelosi killed it in the House.

Why does it require an act of Congress to fill the SPR, when a President can release it at the stroke of a pen?

[Smokin Joe]

Why does it require an act of Congress to fill the SPR, when a President can release it at the stroke of a pen?

Not sure, but the same people who didn't re-stock masks and such don't want to buy oil cheap.

[Cyber Liberty]

Not sure, but the same people who didn't re-stock masks and such don't want to buy oil cheap.

True.  In fact, Congress would prefer to buy the oil at the highest possible price, to benefit Pelosi's "rich oil friends."  She has more of those than either Bush. 

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Why does it require an act of Congress to fill the SPR, when a President can release it at the stroke of a pen?

Money, but thankfully our President already locked us into 30 million barrels at March prices.

https://www.energy.gov/articles/department-energy-executes-direction-president-trump-announces-solicitation-purchase-crude

Today, DOE announced a solicitation for the purchase of an initial 30 million barrels to begin filling the SPR. Solicitations for additional purchases will follow.

“DOE is moving quickly to support U.S. oil producers facing potentially catastrophic losses from the impacts of COVID-19 and the intentional disruption to world oil markets by foreign actors,” said U.S. Energy Secretary Dan Brouillette.

Under this initial solicitation, DOE will purchase up to 30 million barrels of sweet and sour crude oil with a focus on small to midsize U.S. oil producers.

[Cyber Liberty]

Money, but thankfully our President already locked us into 30 million barrels at March prices.

https://www.energy.gov/articles/department-energy-executes-direction-president-trump-announces-solicitation-purchase-crude

But was that money actually appropriated for the purchase?  Or was that just a solicitation that went nowhere?  I honestly do not know.

ETA:  I should read linked articles more often.  FTA:

Today’s solicitation is the first step toward filling the SPR to its maximum capacity.  The Department is working with Congress to finalize the funding to support the purchase of the full 77 million barrels of oil, consistent with the President’s directive.

That's the appropriation @txradioguy was talking about Pelosi killing.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

https://www.energy.gov/articles/doe-announces-crude-oil-storage-contracts-help-alleviate-us-oil-industry-storage-crunch

The awards under negotiation are for approximately 23 million barrels of crude oil storage, which will be distributed into all four SPR sites. Most of these deliveries will be received in May and June 2020, with possible early deliveries in April. Awardees can schedule return of their oil through March 2021, minus a small amount of oil to cover the SPR’s cost of storage.

Actually it looks like there ain't much storage room left.

[Smokin Joe]

But was that money actually appropriated for the purchase?  Or was that just a solicitation that went nowhere?  I honestly do not know.

ETA:  I should read linked articles more often.  FTA:

That's the appropriation @txradioguy was talking about Pelosi killing.

https://www.energy.gov/articles/department-energy-executes-direction-president-trump-announces-solicitation-purchase-crude

[Cyber Liberty]

https://www.energy.gov/articles/doe-announces-crude-oil-storage-contracts-help-alleviate-us-oil-industry-storage-crunch

Actually it looks like there ain't much storage room left.

Maybe not.  It's hard to tell from the press stories how much is actually in there.  That said, it seems the holding capacity is not very flexible.

[Cyber Liberty]

https://www.energy.gov/articles/department-energy-executes-direction-president-trump-announces-solicitation-purchase-crude

That is the article from which I was quoting.  It's a solicitation, and moot if the money doesn't get appropriated by Congress.

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[Smokin Joe]

That is the article from which I was quoting.  It's a solicitation, and moot if the money doesn't get appropriated by Congress.

They look a lot alike, but the one I linked was from March 19, the one you linked from April 14. The April 14 is for proposals for storage (temporary), not a purchase by the US. Storage is done on a temporary basis, with the oil company able to pull that oil out (minus a cut the US gets for storing it).

[txradioguy]

True.  In fact, Congress would prefer to buy the oil at the highest possible price, to benefit Pelosi's "rich oil friends."  She has more of those than either Bush.

Let's not forget too that back when Billy Jeff was perving in the Oval Office they sold off parts of the SPR in California to Occidental Oil...a company that Algore had $500K worth of stock in at the time.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

Absolutely correct!  It's also possible to get a false negative, where one can be affirmed "not infected," but still be a carrier.

@Cyber Liberty

THAT really sucks. If the tests are that bad,why even bother to get one?

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cyber Liberty

THAT really sucks. If the tests are that bad,why even bother to get one?

All tests have error.  What's important is to keep the error rate very small.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

But was that money actually appropriated for the purchase?  Or was that just a solicitation that went nowhere?  I honestly do not know.

ETA:  I should read linked articles more often.  FTA:

That's the appropriation @txradioguy was talking about Pelosi killing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/20/trump-could-make-crashing-oil-prices-win-american-taxpayers-heres-how/

Second, because in the last stimulus package, Congress refused to grant the Energy Department the money it sought to buy oil for the SPR. So the SPR couldn’t have bought the oil and I don’t think it has the authority to sell oil in the futures market. At least, it hasn’t done so since it was founded in 1975.

Looks like I'm wrong.  Oil wasn't purchased.

[Cyber Liberty]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/20/trump-could-make-crashing-oil-prices-win-american-taxpayers-heres-how/

Looks like I'm wrong.  Oil wasn't purchased.

I appreciate your wading through the WaPo sewer to dig that up.  You're an upright dood.

[Bigun]

Let's not forget too that back when Billy Jeff was perving in the Oval Office they sold off parts of the SPR in California to Occidental Oil...a company that Algore had $500K worth of stock in at the time.

Armand Hammer (the founder of Occidental) used to point to Al Gore's father and then pat his hip pocket indicating that he owned Senator Gore. And BTW:  Armand's father was the holder of membership card # 000001 in the United States Communist Party.

[txradioguy]

Armand Hammer (the founder of Occidental) used to point to Al Gore's father and then pat his hip pocket indicating that he owned Senator Gore. And BTW:  Armand's father was the holder of membership card # 000001 in the United States Communist Party.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if Junior was in his hip pocket too.

[Cyber Liberty]

Wouldn't surprise me at all if Junior was in his hip pocket too.

A lot of politicians were mere possessions of that old commie.  His escapades would make George Soros blush.  Occidental Petroleum was more powerful than General Motors that way.

[sneakypete]

Wouldn't surprise me at all if Junior was in his hip pocket too.

@txradioguy

Goober has no idea where he is. His mama was even heard to say he was too stupid to learn when talking about him one night. His father was that stupid,too.

The mother was the brains of the family. IIRC,she was the first female to graduate from Vanderbilt Law,and then she married Goober's papa and took over control of him.

IIRC,she is Armand Hammer's sister. Armand also had a brother that was a federal judge. He got caught several years ago for selling sentencing,and supposedly went to prison for it. I didn't follow up on it to see if he served a full week or not,but you bet he didn't serve long.

[Bigun]

Wouldn't surprise me at all if Junior was in his hip pocket too.

Armand is no longer among the living but when he was Al  Gore Jr. was definitely his puppet.  Books have been written about the Gores, Occidental petroleum, and their LONG time involvement with the former Soviet Union.

[Hoodat]

04-21-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)	4.031 ↑	3.230 ↓
United States	1.703 ↓	10.951 ↑
China	16.642 ↑	1.073 ↓

US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 247,423
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 20.0 %  ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 57.5 %  ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Overall, US numbers leveling off although there are increases in some places.  Indiana and Louisiana showing a downward trends.  Pennsylvania and Maryland showing upward trends.

Also, it looks like the death counters in some states are given the weekend off.  Connecticut and Georgia saw low weekend numbers, but high Monday numbers.  And recoveries still are going uncounted.  You would think that States would want to know who has recovered so they can use their plasma for treating other people.

[Hoodat]

Armand is no longer among the living but when he was Al  Gore Jr. was definitely his puppet.  Books have been written about the Gores, Occidental petroleum, and their LONG time involvement with the former Soviet Union.

The Teapot Dome scandal almost brought down the entire Harding Administration.  But when Bill Clinton took it a step further by selling the Elk Hills Petroleum Reserve to an oil company his Vice President was heavily connected to, the press remained completely silent.

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[jmyrlefuller]

Can the coronavirus be spread through flatulence? Probably not, unless you're naked.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/can-the-coronavirus-be-spread-through-farts/

[Smokin Joe]

Can the coronavirus be spread through flatulence? Probably not, unless you're naked.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/can-the-coronavirus-be-spread-through-farts/

Gotta watch out and not inhale any farticles...

I think the issue at issue would be issued in the can...A courtesy flush would be in order to reduce the ambient farticle level.

[sneakypete]

Gotta watch out and not inhale any farticles...

@Smokin Joe 

That's right,take ALL the joy away from political aides.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Can the coronavirus be spread through flatulence? Probably not, unless you're naked.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/can-the-coronavirus-be-spread-through-farts/

When my wife is showering i'll often stick my naked ass in and blast her with a rectal explosion. Guess that fun is taken away now too.

[Smokin Joe]

@Smokin Joe 

That's right,take ALL the joy away from political aides.

I somehow doubt coprophiles will change their ways, anyway...

[Formerly Once-Ler]

This looks fake to me.  Why is she wearing a mask?

[sneakypete]

This looks fake to me.  Why is she wearing a mask?

@Once-Ler

I dunno,but I am fairly certain it guarantees her identity will soon be made public.

[Hoodat]

04-22-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)	4.158 ↑	3.120 ↓
United States	1.830 ↑	9.874 ↓
China	16.650 ↑	1.073 -

US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 263,233
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 21.2 %  ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 60.0 %  ↑

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Good news:  US reported recoveries increased by 10k.  But there's still over a quarter million not yet accounted for who were diagnosed at least 2 weeks ago.

Today also saw a substantial uptick in deaths (2,804) from the previous day (1,939) - an increase of 865.  However, six states accounted for 753 of those deaths (87%).

Here are the six States and their increases from Monday to Tuesday:

NY - + 21%
NJ - +114%
PA - +139%
MI - +201%
IL - +101%
MA - + 47%

It is worth noting that several red-state governors received heavy criticism from Democrats after they announced today they were reopening their states.  Is it a coincidence that four Democrat governors would double or even triple their death numbers in response?

Here's what one Pennsylvania state rep had to say:

Rep. Rob Kauffman Questions Mysterious Franklin County COVID19 Death Figure Increase

The PA Department of Health has reported that Franklin County COVID19 deaths have gone from zero to ten overnight. The only problem is that Franklin County still reports that there has still been no COVID19 deaths. Representative Kauffman posted the following statement on his Facebook page today:

“At this point, I will no longer be reporting data from the Department of Health. Overnight according to the PA Department of Health, the death total for COVID-19 in Franklin County went from 0 to 10. Currently, by provision of the County Code, County Coroners are getting all deaths reported to them, whether they are hospital, home or nursing home deaths. The Franklin County Coroner has 0 COVID-19 deaths on record. The PA Department of Health has 10 overnight. I cannot resolve this discrepancy and no one will answer the questions that I ask daily.”

Strange that the Wolf administration seems to be inflating the number of COVID19 deaths just a day after a few thousand Pennsylvanians demonstrated against his tyrannical shutdown measures.

https://thefranklincountyjournal.com/2020/04/21/rep-rob-kauffman-questions-mysterious-franklin-county-covid19-death-figure-increase/
 

Bottom line, Democrats are cooking the books.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

@Once-Ler

I dunno,but I am fairly certain it guarantees her identity will soon be made public.

@sneakypete I've noticed that some of the most extreme signs are held by masked people in a sea of unmasked protesters.  I makes me wonder if the sign is extreme because the guy holding it is a plant or agitator.  It's possible they just want to conceal their face to protect against doxing, but it makes it hard to believe the message is legitimate.  Thanx for your reply.  I don't know that was the point you were making, but it helped me frame the situation more fully

[jmyrlefuller]

Rep. Rob Kauffman Questions Mysterious Franklin County COVID19 Death Figure Increase

The PA Department of Health has reported that Franklin County COVID19 deaths have gone from zero to ten overnight. The only problem is that Franklin County still reports that there has still been no COVID19 deaths. Representative Kauffman posted the following statement on his Facebook page today:

“At this point, I will no longer be reporting data from the Department of Health. Overnight according to the PA Department of Health, the death total for COVID-19 in Franklin County went from 0 to 10. Currently, by provision of the County Code, County Coroners are getting all deaths reported to them, whether they are hospital, home or nursing home deaths. The Franklin County Coroner has 0 COVID-19 deaths on record. The PA Department of Health has 10 overnight. I cannot resolve this discrepancy and no one will answer the questions that I ask daily.”

Strange that the Wolf administration seems to be inflating the number of COVID19 deaths just a day after a few thousand Pennsylvanians demonstrated against his tyrannical shutdown measures.

https://thefranklincountyjournal.com/2020/04/21/rep-rob-kauffman-questions-mysterious-franklin-county-covid19-death-figure-increase/
 

Bottom line, Democrats are cooking the books.

In a related Pennsylvania story:

Warren County had a death reported to them. The only hospital and testing site in Warren County swears there was no such death or even a case.
https://www.facebook.com/WarrenGeneralHospital/photos/a.165836613246/10157302690108247/