Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2

[Formerly Once-Ler]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1249424452477235200

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Just watched Mike Wallace wannabe, Chris Wallace, on @FoxNews . I am now convinced that he is even worse than Sleepy Eyes Chuck Todd of Meet the Press(please!), or the people over at Deface the Nation. What the hell is happening to @FoxNews . It’s a whole new ballgame over there!
2:49 PM · Apr 12, 2020

More laser focus on the virus and economy.  Fight the real power!!! Fight Fox News!!!
It looks like our President had a really sh1tty Easter.

[Smokin Joe]

I'll mourn them 1/4 as hard since they're dying a quarter as fast.

You're a stone cold critic.

Clearly I have offended you by empathizing with the dead.  I'm so sorry this has happened to you.

It isn't that you are (or anyone else is) empathizing with the dead I find offensive, it is that some of you are so conspicuously empathizing with such a small minority of the deceased, while ignoring the multitude who can't be used to make some political point.

It really is all out of proportion. In the meantime, people with noticed and developing possible skin cancers can't get in for a biopsy, and the clock is ticking for them, just to give one example.

For people suffering from the 8 of ten top ten killers in the US today, their more ordinarily lethal conditions take a back seat to one less likely to kill them.

Yet if Trump takes 30 seconds out of his day to swat at some Media horsefly, somehow he is evil.

I guess picking and choosing is okay when you do it.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

It isn't that you are (or anyone else is) empathizing with the dead I find offensive, it is that some of you are so conspicuously empathizing with such a small minority of the deceased, while ignoring the multitude who can't be used to make some political point.

It really is all out of proportion. In the meantime, people with noticed and developing possible skin cancers can't get in for a biopsy, and the clock is ticking for them, just to give one example.

For people suffering from the 8 of ten top ten killers in the US today, their more ordinarily lethal conditions take a back seat to one less likely to kill them.

Yet if Trump takes 30 seconds out of his day to swat at some Media horsefly, somehow he is evil.

I guess picking and choosing is okay when you do it.

I like to think by slowing the COVID-19 virus, it is allowing doctors to deal with other medical problems too.  I never complain when President Trump is focused on reducing the COVID-19 death toll.  I think 20K dead Americans is tragic.

[catfish1957]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1249506799532867585

You should reassess your priorities in the light of 20k American deaths, with thousands more added daily, Mr President.

We agree 90% of the time or so, but this is a multi-fronted war, and the MSM are absolutely as big of a threat to this country as COVID-19.

[Smokin Joe]

I like to think by slowing the COVID-19 virus, it is allowing doctors to deal with other medical problems too.  I never complain when President Trump is focused on reducing the COVID-19 death toll.  I think 20K dead Americans is tragic.

Actually, slowing this down isn't helping patients with the other conditions.
It's just dragging out all the protocols that now are added to getting treatment for critical conditions, and bumping little things like a skin biopsy to the back of the bus.

In the meantime, people are still dying of all of these (2017 numbers):

    Heart disease: 647,457
    Cancer: 599,108
    Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
    Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
    Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
    Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
    Diabetes: 83,564
    Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672
    Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 50,633
    Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173
source
and it is likely anyone who dies of the above (in red) will be said to have died of COVID-19 if they test positive, whether they had mild or no symptoms of COVID-19 or not, but note that eight of the top ten causes of death are comorbidity factors in COVID-19.
In this state, 100% of the dead attributed to the virus had one or more of those underlying medical issues.
So, did they die from the virus or just with it? We'll never know.

In an ordinary year, without the virus:
Number of deaths: 2,813,503
Death rate: 863.8 deaths per 100,000 population (same source as above stats).
Ignoring the comorbidity factors, we aren't even at one percent of that ordinary annual total.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Actually, slowing this down isn't helping patients with the other conditions.
It's just dragging out all the protocols that now are added to getting treatment for critical conditions, and bumping little things like a skin biopsy to the back of the bus.

In the meantime, people are still dying of all of these (2017 numbers):

    Heart disease: 647,457
    Cancer: 599,108
    Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
    Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
    Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
    Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
    Diabetes: 83,564
    Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672
    Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 50,633
    Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173
source
and it is likely anyone who dies of the above (in red) will be said to have died of COVID-19 if they test positive, whether they had mild or no symptoms of COVID-19 or not, but note that eight of the top ten causes of death are comorbidity factors in COVID-19.
In this state, 100% of the dead attributed to the virus had one or more of those underlying medical issues.
So, did they die from the virus or just with it? We'll never know.

In an ordinary year, without the virus:
Number of deaths: 2,813,503
Death rate: 863.8 deaths per 100,000 population (same source as above stats).
Ignoring the comorbidity factors, we aren't even at one percent of that ordinary annual total.

You make a good argument.  If all COVID-19 deaths end tomorrow I'll admit you have a superior argument.  I don't think we have reached the peak yet.

[Smokin Joe]

You make a good argument.  If all COVID-19 deaths end tomorrow I'll admit you have a superior argument.  I don't think we have reached the peak yet.

I agree we have not reached the peak yet. The question is one of whether the actions of those working against the measures taken to control this will delay that (for political gain in the protracted economic malaise), will cause a longer, higher, or even second wave (again, so they can claim mismanagement of the crisis for political gain), or will delay effective treatment (for political gain and/or profit).

Doubtless, some of those who would have fallen into the eight of the top ten will be credited to the virus, and that is to be expected, but currently there are political and monetary motives to inflate the number of deaths by manipulating cause of death, other statistics, undercutting Public Health measures, or even banning medical treatments which have demonstrated, time and again, great  promise.

While I would hope we can all get behind the effort to defeat the Hun Nazis Communists Virus (and it should be a rallying point of national unity of that order) there are far too many who would have Americans die for purely political reasons. 
Those are people who should be barred from the halls of power in this nation for all time.

[libertybele]

Actually, slowing this down isn't helping patients with the other conditions.

I certainly can attest to that. I went to my cardio -- basically told to come back in a couple of months when the virus had subsided as now is not the time to present with any adverse symptoms!  My appointment that I had for months was cancelled and I had to argue to get in to see him.  Lot of good it did. He got near me and listened to the heart for all of 10 seconds at most -- I had a mask on and gloves and he did as well and set up an appointment in June. I get the precautions, but I feel because I am high risk, I am being tossed aside.

My other doctors are doing appointment only by Telehealth; the insurance will pay if they do a video phone appt.

[Bigun]

The WHO Lied and Created a Global Panic: Second Extensive Study Finds Coronavirus Mortality Rate Is 0.4% Not 3.4% — Similar to Seasonal Flu

[bigheadfred]

This is where I get confused. Italy and the UK are about 13%. Spain at about 10%. The U.S. At 3.4% according to the world infometer. What is the truth?

No doubt China and the WHO lied.

[Right_in_Virginia]

George Stephanopoulos tests positive for coronavirus
Just the News, Apr 13, 2020

Good Morning America" co-host George Stephanopoulous has tested positive for coronavirus, though he is currently asymptomatic and feels fine.

Earlier this month, the ABC host’s wife, actress Ali Wentworth, tested positive for the virus. She experienced the more typically described symptoms of the illness, including body aches, a fever, and a heavy chest.

Stephanopoulous has been self-isolating at home since his wife’s diagnosis.


https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-reelection-bid-raises-212-million-in-first-quarter_3309698.html

[TomSea]

Navy Sailor Assigned to USS Theodore Roosevelt Dies of COVID-Related Complications

PEARL HARBOR (NNS) -- The Sailor assigned to the USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71) who was admitted to the Intensive Care Unit (ICU) of the U.S. Naval Hospital Guam April 9 (local date) died of COVID-related complications April 13.

The name of the Sailor is being withheld until 24 hours after next-of-kin notification.

The Sailor, tested positive for COVID-19 March 30, was removed from the ship and placed in an isolation house on Naval Base Guam with four other USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71) Sailors. Like other Sailors in isolation, he received medical checks twice daily from Navy medical teams.

[TomSea]

Hospitals still can be heavily burdened by all of this, time to get past the arguments of 12 weeks ago.

Ambulances queuing up in Moscow:


https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1268087/coronavirus-russia-dead-figures-moscow-Putin-lies-covid-19-hospitals

[Hoodat]

I never complain when President Trump is focused on reducing the COVID-19 death toll.  I think 20K dead Americans is tragic.

If President Trump were able to reduce the death toll to 10K, would that appease you?

[Fishrrman]

Some numbers from CT (from a spreadsheet I put together to see how many new infections there were each day):
Statewide, number of new infections each day is still "jumping around" but not as bad as several days ago.

But... new daily infections in Fairfield County (where most of the CT cases have been up to now) seems to be trending downward.
Will post again after a few days more.

[aligncare]

News reports this morning, Cuomo announced NY deaths reached 10,000. Democrats love to celebrate every milestone.

I’d wager a large number of those deaths were of people who died of their co-morbidity with covid, and even some who died of completely tangential issues unrelated to upper respiratory, cardiac or lung problems.

But, that’s just the cynic in me speaking.

I also suspect that next year an analysis of 2019-20 deaths from seasonal flu and other diseases will show a curious decline in numbers.

[mountaineer]

I also suspect that next year an analysis of 2019-20 deaths from seasonal flu and other diseases will show a curious decline in numbers.

Indubitably.

[TomSea]

Some numbers from CT (from a spreadsheet I put together to see how many new infections there were each day):
Statewide, number of new infections each day is still "jumping around" but not as bad as several days ago.

But... new daily infections in Fairfield County (where most of the CT cases have been up to now) seems to be trending downward.
Will post again after a few days more.

That's useful. People are aware and hopefully, this is helping drive down the numbers.

[jmyrlefuller]

New York positive cases down to 6,000 or so. That's the lowest they've been in a couple of weeks. With the caveat that it is a weekend report and they're generally lower—even factoring that in, that's still 25% less than last weekend's increases. I think we have passed the apex of infections.

I looked at Italy's numbers just for comparison and they're not falling there as fast as they went up. But then again there seems to be more compliance here so there might be reason to suspect it might fall faster here.

[Hoodat]

04-13-2020 | 19:27 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)	3.572 ↑	3.803 ↓
United States	1.491 ↑	16.715 ↓
China	23.245 ↑	1.058 -

US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 67,882
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 27.6 %  ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 79.3 %  ↑

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Fourteen days may not be an adequate gauge for recoveries.  So a 21-day recovery rate has been added.  Around 80% of all US cases diagnosed March 23 and earlier have recovered.  Reporting still too low.  I seriously doubt that 20% of those cases are in chronic condition after 3 weeks or have died.

[Cyber Liberty]

04-13-2020 | 19:27 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)	3.572 ↑	3.803 ↓
United States	1.491 ↑	16.715 ↓
China	23.245 ↑	1.058 -

US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 67,882
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 27.6 %  ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 79.3 %  ↑

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Fourteen days may not be an adequate gauge for recoveries.  So a 21-day recovery rate has been added.  Around 80% of all US cases diagnosed March 23 and earlier have recovered.  Reporting still too low.  I seriously doubt that 20% of those cases are in chronic condition after 3 weeks or have died.

Apparently it's a lot easier to catch COVID than it is to get rid of it?

[Hoodat]

Maybe after 12 days or so, they stop calling to find out if someone died, but forget to ask if the person is recovered.

The Global (excluding China & US) recovery rate after 21 days is 113%.  And yes, a number greater than 100% is possible because the recovered includes people who were infected in last 20 days but have already recovered.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

If President Trump were able to reduce the death toll to 10K, would that appease you?

He can't do that, but I have been a very critical NeverTrumper on most issues, except my President's handling of the virus.  So in that matter I'm already appeased.

[Smokin Joe]

Some numbers from CT (from a spreadsheet I put together to see how many new infections there were each day):
Statewide, number of new infections each day is still "jumping around" but not as bad as several days ago.

But... new daily infections in Fairfield County (where most of the CT cases have been up to now) seems to be trending downward.
Will post again after a few days more.

Interesting. I was looking to see if I could see a pattern in your county data. (I didn't)

In North Dakota (statewide, county samples are still too small), I'm seeing a peak in new cases four days after the previous peak, starting with March 27, and again on March 31, April 4, April 8, and April 12.  So far, in my county, the rate is 22.6 confirmed cases per 100,000 people, or about one in 500 in the population of the county is known to have the disease.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Klaus K @KlausKblog
The consistent low rate of #tobacco smokers among patients with #coronavirus in China is now duplicated in the U.S. by CDC:
Among 7,162 corona patients with medical records 6,901 were never-smokers (96.3%), 165 ex-smokers (2.3%), and only 96 smokers (1.3%)
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6913e2.htm

Klaus K @KlausKblog
Studies show consistently that #tobacco smokers are much less likely to be victims of #COVID19 hospitalization:
9.6% smokers hospitalized vs. 31.2% expected (<0.001), based on Chinese smoking prevalence, suggesting smoking may protect against coronavirus.
https://www.qeios.com/read/article/550


      


www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_klOhy-el0

[mountaineer]

NYU scientists: Largest US study of COVID-19 finds obesity the single biggest 'chronic' factor in New York City's hospitalizations
Doctors at NYU Langone Health center conducted the largest study so far of US hospital admissions for COVID-19, focused on New York City. They found obesity, along with age, was the biggest deciding factor in hospital admissions, which may suggest the role of hyper-inflammatory reactions that can happen in those with the disease.
Tiernan Ray
By Tiernan Ray | April 12, 2020

For months, scientists have been poring over data about cases and deaths to understand why it is that COVID-19 manifests itself in different ways around the globe, with certain factors such as the age of the population repeatedly popping up as among the most significant determinants.

Now, one of the largest studies conducted of COVID-19 infection in the US has found that obesity of patients was the single biggest factor, after age, in whether those with COVID-19 had to be admitted to a hospital.    ...

Link to story

The research paper itself is here.

Yesterday I saw a story about a 25-year-old who died of the virus. Turns out he was grossly overweight (as evident by this Facebook photo).

[TomSea]

Virginia pastor who defiantly held church service dies of coronavirus
By Lee Brown   April 13, 2020

He practiced what he preached — then he died of coronavirus.

An evangelical pastor died of COVID-19 just weeks after proudly showing off how packed his Virginia church was — and vowing to keep preaching “unless I’m in jail or the hospital.”

In his last known in-person service on March 22, Bishop Gerald O. Glenn got his congregation at Richmond’s New Deliverance Evangelistic Church to stand to prove how many were there despite warnings against gatherings of more than 10 people.

Read more at:  https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/virginia-pastor-who-held-packed-church-service-dies-of-coronavirus/

Massachusetts nurse who warned about coronavirus dies after becoming infected
By Amanda Woods
April 13, 2020

...

Meanwhile, a 21-year-old woman working her first nursing assistant job at a California nursing home died of COVID-19 complications that same day, KTLA reported.

More:  https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/whistle-blowing-massachusetts-nurse-dies-from-coronavirus/

California cop dies after being denied a coronavirus test twice
By Jackie Salo  April 13, 2020

A California police officer died of coronavirus complications after doctors twice shot down her requests to be tested for the bug, according to a report.

Santa Rosa police Detective Marylou Armer, 43, was only able to secure a test that confirmed her diagnosis after it was “too late,” her family told the Santa Rosa Press Democrat.

Read more at:  https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/california-cop-dies-after-twice-being-denied-coronavirus-test/

[TomSea]

We have been through this before.

Here is the link to the article in Nature: https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985
Where the researchers are documenting creating a virus out of a SARS virus and a bat borne Coronavirus.

The result sure sounds al lot like SARS-CoV-2, the active agent in COVID-19.

Is this a hybrid? Yep, no doubt.
Is it lab made? I'm (after reading this publication, co-authored by two chinese scientists from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences) 99.999% sure.

From the Abstract:

So what? We have been through a lot of this before. I think people can read documents for themselves. They don't need reading material limited like some communist nation. I'd rather read up on all sources and decide. New information comes out. Pretty obvious.

Fine, you think it's lab made, everyone can make up their minds for themselves and one of those websites, I forget which has been maligned as being a hack website.

Let freedom ring.

We are nearing what? 25,000 dead, 36% may be from NY but nonetheless,  what is absurd would be brushing this off.

[mountaineer]

Meanwhile, a 21-year-old woman working her first nursing assistant job at a California nursing home died of COVID-19 complications that same day, KTLA reported.

The photo accompanying the story seems to support the findings of doctors at the NYU Langone Health Center, as referenced above.

[Smokin Joe]

So what? We have been through a lot of this before. I think people can read documents for themselves. They don't need reading material limited like some communist nation. I'd rather read up on all sources and decide. New information comes out. Pretty obvious.

Fine, you think it's lab made, everyone can make up their minds for themselves and one of those websites, I forget which has been maligned as being a hack website.

Let freedom ring.

We are nearing what? 25,000 dead, 36% may be from NY but nonetheless,  what is absurd would be brushing this off.

Nature is a fairly well respected journal in  scientific circles. No one is saying to limit your reading material, nor anyone else's. However, in the interest of getting facts out there, I will post that access and even go so far as to summarize the facts, with sources, so my summary can be verified. That bell swings both to and fro.

[Smokin Joe]

The photo accompanying the story seems to support the findings of doctors at the NYU Langone Health Center, as referenced above.

IIRC, the Hydroxychloroquine/Z-pack/Zinc Sulfate is forbidden by Gubernatorial edict in California. Prayers up for her family. I wonder if she had any of the underlying conditions noted as risk factors elsewhere aside from her BMI?

[Cyber Liberty]

IIRC, the Hydroxychloroquine/Z-pack/Zinc Sulfate is forbidden by Gubernatorial edict in California. Prayers up for her family. I wonder if she had any of the underlying conditions noted as risk factors elsewhere aside from her BMI?

I think only Michigan and Nevada had Governors so anti-Trump they issued edicts to try and stop Doctors from prescribing that cocktail.  Newsome resisted the siren call.

[truth_seeker]

IIRC, the Hydroxychloroquine/Z-pack/Zinc Sulfate is forbidden by Gubernatorial edict in California.

No menttion of this I have heard, from Dr. Drew Pinskey and Scott Adams--both following this drug closely, in Calif.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

No menttion of this I have heard, from Dr. Drew Pinskey and Scott Adams--both following this drug closely, in Calif.

Same.  First I've heard of this.

[Smokin Joe]

I think only Michigan and Nevada had Governors so anti-Trump they issued edicts to try and stop Doctors from prescribing that cocktail.  Newsome resisted the siren call.

I may be getting Cali confused with MI and NV, so I stand corrected.

[musiclady]

I think only Michigan and Nevada had Governors so anti-Trump they issued edicts to try and stop Doctors from prescribing that cocktail.  Newsome resisted the siren call.

Michigan's Governor is stark raving mad.

[Cyber Liberty]

Michigan's Governor is stark raving mad.

So is Nevada's, and that's a more immediate concern of mine.  Laughlin, Vegas and Reno are dead with the Casino Resorts all closed up.  8,000 out of work in my town, tens of thousands in Vegas, where they're laying off Cops.

[mountaineer]

Clay Travis   @ClayTravis
Question: wasn’t the rationale for a national shutdown to flatten the curve and avoid hospitals from being overrun? Now that we know that isn’t happening anywhere, why has the lockdown rationale suddenly shifted to we can’t go back to work without a vaccine?
1:52 PM · Apr 14, 2020·

[Cyber Liberty]

Clay Travis   @ClayTravis
Question: wasn’t the rationale for a national shutdown to flatten the curve and avoid hospitals from being overrun? Now that we know that isn’t happening anywhere, why has the lockdown rationale suddenly shifted to we can’t go back to work without a vaccine?
1:52 PM · Apr 14, 2020·

A good point, there. 

[mountaineer]

More on the obesity aspect:

Obesity is the biggest 'chronic' risk factor for coronavirus hospitalizations, largest US study of COVID-19 finds

    Two New York University studies earmarked age, obesity as biggest risk factors
    Researchers found almost half (46 per cent) of patients were aged 65 or over
    Those under 60 twice as likely to need hospital care or ventilator if they're obese
    Learn more about how to help people impacted by COVID

By Connor Boyd Health Reporter For Mailonline
Published: 09:56 EDT, 14 April 2020 | Updated: 15:11 EDT, 14 April 2020

Old and obese people are more likely to be hospitalised with the coronavirus than cancer or lung disease patients, research suggests.

Two New York University studies looking at 8,000 patients found being over 65 or having a BMI above 30 were the biggest risk factors for COVID-19 admissions.

In one paper, researchers found almost half (46 per cent) of all patients hospitalised with coronavirus were aged 65 or over. ...

Elderly people are more likely to succumb to the coronavirus because the immune system weakens as people age, making it harder to fight off the vicious disease.

Obese patients are more prone to serious infection because their immune system is preoccupied with trying to repair inflammation caused by carrying excess fat.  ...

More at Daily Mail

[Polly Ticks]

Clay Travis   @ClayTravis
Question: wasn’t the rationale for a national shutdown to flatten the curve and avoid hospitals from being overrun? Now that we know that isn’t happening anywhere, why has the lockdown rationale suddenly shifted to we can’t go back to work without a vaccine?
1:52 PM · Apr 14, 2020·

I kind of wondered about that, too.  It seems in many cases - including the hospital where my daughter-in-law works - they've shut down so much of the elective procedures and such that they are way under normal capacity, never mind stretched beyond capacity.

[Hoodat]

04-14-2020 | 19:35 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)	3.631 ↑	3.699 ↓
United States	1.503 ↑	15.861 ↓
China	23.268 ↑	1.059 ↑

US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 74,546
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 27.6 %  ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 72.1 %  ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Good news.  Reported US recoveries have outpacing deaths for the last four days.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Clay Travis   @ClayTravis
Question: wasn’t the rationale for a national shutdown to flatten the curve and avoid hospitals from being overrun? Now that we know that isn’t happening anywhere, why has the lockdown rationale suddenly shifted to we can’t go back to work without a vaccine?
1:52 PM · Apr 14, 2020·

I kind of wondered about that, too.  It seems in many cases - including the hospital where my daughter-in-law works - they've shut down so much of the elective procedures and such that they are way under normal capacity, never mind stretched beyond capacity.

@mountaineer @Polly Ticks That is the argument we need to get to.  There are some states that don't need to quarantine, but the media only says another 2k Americans died today, and a new record death toll.  I wish my President was good at communicating. 

[sneakypete]

Louisiana now has a statewide stay-at-home order.  I am currently under quarantine at work for the next two weeks.

@Hoodat

Are you saying you can't even go home for  weeks?

[Hoodat]

@Hoodat

Are you saying you can't even go home for  weeks?

@sneakypete

Quarantine ended April 9.  No more new cases popped up after Mar 26.  I am now at home.  Technically, I could have left before then, but I felt the better option was to stay with my co-workers, man my post, and complete the 14 days.

[bigheadfred]

@mountaineer @Polly Ticks That is the argument we need to get to.  There are some states that don't need to quarantine, but the media only says another 2k Americans died today, and a new record death toll.  I wish my President was good at communicating.

the media only says

I wish my President was good at communicating.

nevermind

[Smokin Joe]

More on the obesity aspect:More at Daily Mail

I saw that, and wonder if gray hair or baldness is a risk factor, too. 

All the other risk factors previously noted are more likely as you age or are obese.

[Hoodat]

NYC death toll jumps by 3,700 after uncounted fatalities are added

ERIN DURKIN   |   04/14/2020 05:08 PM EDT   |   Updated 04/14/2020 06:43 PM EDT

New York City’s official coronavirus death toll has soared past 10,000, after thousands of deaths that previously went uncounted were added to the city’s statistics.

In a new count released Tuesday, 3,778 more deaths were added to the rolls — driving up the previously recorded total of 6,589 by more than half. Now, the city records 10,367 deaths related to the virus.

Previously, the city had not counted people who died at home without getting tested for the coronavirus, or who died in nursing homes or at hospitals, but did not have a confirmed positive test result. Mayor Bill de Blasio admitted last week that the true number of deaths was far higher than the official tally, and said the city would start including presumed coronavirus cases in its data.

https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/04/14/new-york-city-coronavirus-death-toll-jumps-by-3-700-after-uncounted-fatalities-are-added-1275931



So now they don't have to actually prove someone died of coronavirus.  They merely have to "presume" it.

[skeeter]

NYC death toll jumps by 3,700 after uncounted fatalities are added

ERIN DURKIN   |   04/14/2020 05:08 PM EDT   |   Updated 04/14/2020 06:43 PM EDT

New York City’s official coronavirus death toll has soared past 10,000, after thousands of deaths that previously went uncounted were added to the city’s statistics.

In a new count released Tuesday, 3,778 more deaths were added to the rolls — driving up the previously recorded total of 6,589 by more than half. Now, the city records 10,367 deaths related to the virus.

Previously, the city had not counted people who died at home without getting tested for the coronavirus, or who died in nursing homes or at hospitals, but did not have a confirmed positive test result. Mayor Bill de Blasio admitted last week that the true number of deaths was far higher than the official tally, and said the city would start including presumed coronavirus cases in its data.

https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/04/14/new-york-city-coronavirus-death-toll-jumps-by-3-700-after-uncounted-fatalities-are-added-1275931



So now they don't have to actually prove someone died of coronavirus.  They merely have to "presume" it.

How odd. Weren’t these the same people who were accusing Trump of ignoring the ‘science’, when the ‘science’ supported what they dreamed of doing?

Now that the ‘science’ no longer supports them they’re making it up.

[Smokin Joe]

NYC death toll jumps by 3,700 after uncounted fatalities are added

ERIN DURKIN   |   04/14/2020 05:08 PM EDT   |   Updated 04/14/2020 06:43 PM EDT

New York City’s official coronavirus death toll has soared past 10,000, after thousands of deaths that previously went uncounted were added to the city’s statistics.

In a new count released Tuesday, 3,778 more deaths were added to the rolls — driving up the previously recorded total of 6,589 by more than half. Now, the city records 10,367 deaths related to the virus.

Previously, the city had not counted people who died at home without getting tested for the coronavirus, or who died in nursing homes or at hospitals, but did not have a confirmed positive test result. Mayor Bill de Blasio admitted last week that the true number of deaths was far higher than the official tally, and said the city would start including presumed coronavirus cases in its data.

https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/04/14/new-york-city-coronavirus-death-toll-jumps-by-3-700-after-uncounted-fatalities-are-added-1275931



So now they don't have to actually prove someone died of coronavirus.  They merely have to "presume" it.

Actually, I am not surprised....

If this isn't evidence of inflation of mortality figures, I don't know what is.