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Smokin Joe · « **Reply #900 on:** April 11, 2020, 01:28:58 pm »

Quote from: txradioguy on April 11, 2020, 01:22:04 pm

@Smokin Joe I hope you're right on this. But what worried me is I see too many normally rational and sane people buying into the hype and panic.

Liberals have hit not he one thing that will cause people to do and act in ways they normally wouldn't. And they are taking notes on what they've seen happen so far for the future.

Watch cattle. Ordinarily, they'll wander and graze and chew their cud, totally content.

But get that herd nervous, let them scent a predator, or have a storm rolling in, and it doesn't take much to spook them into a stampede. (That's why the working cowboys often sang to a herd to calm them down, probably one of the roots of country-western.)

Natives used something similar against buffalo, getting the herd nervous and stampeding them off cliffs into piles that were so deep they started to rot before they could butcher, smoke, and eat their way to the bottom.

Unfortunately, you have to get people to stop and think, which is tough to do when they are in a panic.

And it is the panic that will do more damage in the long run than the virus.

txradioguy · « **Reply #901 on:** April 11, 2020, 01:31:10 pm »

Quote from: Smokin Joe on April 11, 2020, 01:28:58 pm

Watch cattle. Ordinarily, they'll wander and graze and chew their cud, totally content.

But get that herd nervous, let them scent a predator, or have a storm rolling in, and it doesn't take much to spook them into a stampede. (That's why the working cowboys often sang to a herd to calm them down, probably one of the roots of country-western.)

Natives used something similar against buffalo, getting the herd nervous and stampeding them off cliffs into piles that were so deep they started to rot before they could butcher, smoke, and eat their way to the bottom.

Unfortunately, you have to get people to stop and think, which is tough to do when they are in a panic.

And it is the panic that will do more damage in the long run than the virus.

Well said.

txradioguy · « **Reply #902 on:** April 11, 2020, 01:39:22 pm »

John Cardillo
@johncardillo
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.@CNN used a pic of people during Hurricane Harvey claiming it was current COVID reporting.

One of the guys in the pic called out their #FakeNews

corbe · « **Reply #903 on:** April 11, 2020, 01:48:57 pm »

txradioguy · « **Reply #904 on:** April 11, 2020, 01:56:26 pm »

Alex Berenson
@AlexBerenson
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The takeaway: New York hospitals are very busy but functioning well (thanks to great medical staff!). Patients who need to be admitted are admitted, those who are not are sent home, there is no ventilator shortage and no prospect of one. Even in NYC the acute crisis has passed.

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1249031247596335106

txradioguy · « **Reply #905 on:** April 11, 2020, 01:56:59 pm »

Smokin Joe · « **Reply #906 on:** April 11, 2020, 02:00:07 pm »

Quote from: txradioguy on April 11, 2020, 01:56:59 pm

Odd how they always manage to link the actual and projected curves, but I noticed the actual numbers are well below the projections in every instance I have checked.

txradioguy · « **Reply #907 on:** April 11, 2020, 02:19:24 pm »

Quote from: Smokin Joe on April 11, 2020, 02:00:07 pm

Odd how they always manage to link the actual and projected curves, but I noticed the actual numbers are well below the projections in every instance I have checked.

And because the projected curves were pounced upon by the media and the left and treated as Gospel...people will be less likely to believe anything at all that comes from the media or a Government official.

I seem to remember a story about a boy named Peter and a wolf...I think that story might apply here.

txradioguy · « **Reply #908 on:** April 11, 2020, 02:28:46 pm »

toddstarnes
@toddstarnes
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The year is 2025: The medical experts guess that a virus is going to kill either 1 person or 3 million. So just to be safe, the entire country is going to have to be shut down, churches closed, gun stores, shuttered, and gardening banned. Oh yeah - and no paddle boarding.

Hoodat · « **Reply #909 on:** April 11, 2020, 02:34:36 pm »

04-11-2020 | 18:19 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)	3.437 â†‘	3.998 â†“
United States	1.424 â†“	18.254 â†“
China	23.218 -	1.057 -

US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 52,526
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 28.3 % â†“

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

roamer_1 · « **Reply #910 on:** April 11, 2020, 02:37:39 pm »

Quote from: Hoodat on April 11, 2020, 01:06:38 pm

This has been my point all along. They place all their efforts on counting bad news, and put very little effort on counting good news. And this is only a US problem since the rest of the world shows much higher recovery numbers.

That's right. Since the data are generally taken from hospitalizations... well, there are only two ways out of that hospital. One through the front door, and the other through the basement... That is not a hard tally to make.

roamer_1 · « **Reply #911 on:** April 11, 2020, 02:42:12 pm »

Quote from: jmyrlefuller on April 11, 2020, 09:39:41 am

The travel cases are going to go down as people travel less.

Where I'm at, the county has done a generally very good job of identifying how each case (15 right now, 3 recovered) got it. The first few were travel in the cities. More recent ones have generally been health care workers and people in close contact (some of whom have no symptoms) with other cases. Of those 15, only 3 have no explanation as to how they got it.

Numbers of people in quarantine have largely been level the past few weeks, hovering between the 40s and about 100. They'll put 50 into quarantine and take 20 out each of the next few days.

The county to our west has already leveled out; they're getting a recovery for every new case at this point. To our north, hospitalizations have also leveled out, on cue.

It is interesting to watch by the numbers, and how the infection works differently - In the cities, it burns hot and goes through like sh*t through a goose... In the small towns and burbs it tends to stew... and rural areas so far are nearly unaffected.

roamer_1 · « **Reply #912 on:** April 11, 2020, 02:44:34 pm »

Quote from: Smokin Joe on April 11, 2020, 02:00:07 pm

Odd how they always manage to link the actual and projected curves, but I noticed the actual numbers are well below the projections in every instance I have checked.

Is it any wonder considering the modeling used to justify global warming?

aligncare · « **Reply #913 on:** April 11, 2020, 02:58:48 pm »

Quote from: corbe on April 11, 2020, 01:48:57 pm

OMG! Laughed so hard I split my side.

Well, boys and girls, what have we learned from our experience with the Wuhan Red Death? There will be many lessons to be learned. Study hard. Your final exam will make up eighty percent of your semester grade.

txradioguy · « **Reply #914 on:** April 11, 2020, 05:52:25 pm »

For those of you that are interested and for a little perspective...as of a couple minutes ago the U.S. has seen a total of 5,758 people die today from non Chinese Virus related diseases illnesses and other causes of death.

Here's a link to find out how many will die in your state today from something NOT called the Corona Virus.

https://www.indexmundi.com/clocks/indicator/deaths/united-states

DB · « **Reply #915 on:** April 11, 2020, 06:03:35 pm »

My niece just went into emergency with a fever and trouble breathing about an hour ago. She has serious lung damage from a bad bout with valley fever perhaps 10 years ago that she barely survived. She has a husband and young son that recently had his first birthday.

We're very concerned.

roamer_1 · « **Reply #916 on:** April 11, 2020, 06:06:42 pm »

Quote from: DB on April 11, 2020, 06:03:35 pm

My niece just went into emergency with a fever and trouble breathing about an hour ago. She has serious lung damage from a bad bout with valley fever perhaps 10 years ago that she barely survived. She has a husband and young son that recently had his first birthday.

We're very concerned.

Bad news.
Prayers up!

corbe · « **Reply #917 on:** April 11, 2020, 06:11:54 pm »

Prayers Up @DB

Gemmarose · « **Reply #918 on:** April 11, 2020, 06:14:57 pm »

Quote from: DB on April 11, 2020, 06:03:35 pm

My niece just went into emergency with a fever and trouble breathing about an hour ago. She has serious lung damage from a bad bout with valley fever perhaps 10 years ago that she barely survived. She has a husband and young son that recently had his first birthday.

We're very concerned.

Prayers for a speedy recovery and wisdom on any of her medical team team working on her.

Hoodat · « **Reply #919 on:** April 11, 2020, 06:21:29 pm »

Bless the Lord, O my soul;
And all that is within me, bless His holy name!

Bless the Lord, O my soul,
And forget not all His benefits:

Who forgives all your iniquities,
Who heals all your diseases,

Who redeems your life from destruction,
Who crowns you with lovingkindness and tender mercies,

Who satisfies your mouth with good things,
So that your youth is renewed like the eagleâ€™s.

Psalm 103:1-5

Prayers up, DB.

TomSea · « **Reply #920 on:** April 11, 2020, 06:27:13 pm »

My prayers are up too DB.

Some woman on our block was saying her brother tested positive for corona.

Polly Ticks · « **Reply #921 on:** April 11, 2020, 06:33:38 pm »

Quote from: DB on April 11, 2020, 06:03:35 pm

My niece just went into emergency with a fever and trouble breathing about an hour ago. She has serious lung damage from a bad bout with valley fever perhaps 10 years ago that she barely survived. She has a husband and young son that recently had his first birthday.

We're very concerned.

Prayers up for healing for your niece and peace and comfort for your family.

txradioguy · « **Reply #922 on:** April 11, 2020, 06:35:40 pm »

Quote from: corbe on April 11, 2020, 06:11:54 pm

Prayers Up @DB

Ditto

Bigun · « **Reply #923 on:** April 11, 2020, 06:37:39 pm »

Quote from: corbe on April 11, 2020, 06:11:54 pm

Prayers Up @DB

and mine as well.

Smokin Joe · « **Reply #924 on:** April 11, 2020, 06:45:19 pm »

Quote from: DB on April 11, 2020, 06:03:35 pm

My niece just went into emergency with a fever and trouble breathing about an hour ago. She has serious lung damage from a bad bout with valley fever perhaps 10 years ago that she barely survived. She has a husband and young son that recently had his first birthday.

We're very concerned.

Prayers up for you all, especially your niece!

musiclady · « **Reply #925 on:** April 11, 2020, 06:50:03 pm »

Quote from: DB on April 11, 2020, 06:03:35 pm

My niece just went into emergency with a fever and trouble breathing about an hour ago. She has serious lung damage from a bad bout with valley fever perhaps 10 years ago that she barely survived. She has a husband and young son that recently had his first birthday.

We're very concerned.

Praying fervently for her, and your whole family! @DB

DB · « **Reply #926 on:** April 11, 2020, 06:54:15 pm »

Thank you everyone.

LadyLiberty · « **Reply #927 on:** April 11, 2020, 07:13:18 pm »

Quote from: DB on April 11, 2020, 06:03:35 pm

My niece just went into emergency with a fever and trouble breathing about an hour ago. She has serious lung damage from a bad bout with valley fever perhaps 10 years ago that she barely survived. She has a husband and young son that recently had his first birthday.

We're very concerned.

Prayers for your niece, @DB . I hope it ends up being something else. My friend's daughter had symptoms and just got her test results back. She ended up testing positive for influenza, so that is going around as well.

Cyber Liberty · « **Reply #928 on:** April 11, 2020, 07:27:54 pm »

Quote from: DB on April 11, 2020, 06:03:35 pm

My niece just went into emergency with a fever and trouble breathing about an hour ago. She has serious lung damage from a bad bout with valley fever perhaps 10 years ago that she barely survived. She has a husband and young son that recently had his first birthday.

We're very concerned.

WHAT??? Oh no! Prayers for your niece. Is she in Cali?

Smokin Joe · « **Reply #929 on:** April 11, 2020, 07:27:56 pm »

We have been through this before.

Here is the link to the article in Nature: https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985
Where the researchers are documenting creating a virus out of a SARS virus and a bat borne Coronavirus.

The result sure sounds al lot like SARS-CoV-2, the active agent in COVID-19.

Is this a hybrid? Yep, no doubt.
Is it lab made? I'm (after reading this publication, co-authored by two chinese scientists from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences) 99.999% sure.

From the Abstract:

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Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone. The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone can efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS receptor human angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2), replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to epidemic strains of SARS-CoV. Additionally, in vivo experiments demonstrate replication of the chimeric virus in mouse lung with notable pathogenesis. Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein. On the basis of these findings, we synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo. Our work suggests a potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations.

DB · « **Reply #930 on:** April 11, 2020, 07:41:17 pm »

Quote from: Cyber Liberty on April 11, 2020, 07:27:54 pm

WHAT??? Oh no! Prayers for your niece. Is she in Cali?

Yes, she's in a small town in California.

Cyber Liberty · « **Reply #931 on:** April 11, 2020, 07:47:46 pm »

Quote from: DB on April 11, 2020, 07:41:17 pm

Yes, she's in a small town in California.

Oh, man, that's rough. Extra prayers for you, still new in your new town...

Idiot · « **Reply #932 on:** April 11, 2020, 09:36:09 pm »

Quote from: DB on April 11, 2020, 06:03:35 pm

My niece just went into emergency with a fever and trouble breathing about an hour ago. She has serious lung damage from a bad bout with valley fever perhaps 10 years ago that she barely survived. She has a husband and young son that recently had his first birthday.

We're very concerned.

Oh my! Prayers for y'all.

DB · « **Reply #933 on:** April 11, 2020, 10:09:20 pm »

Hi Guys,

The emergency room doctors think it was a pulmonary embolism of some sort but I don't know how that explains the fever. The other symptoms do match that. They sent her home with some medications (I'm assuming a blood thinner). I'm pretty sure she was swabbed for the virus but I don't know if there are any results yet. Hopefully the next 24 hours clears up what's going on.

Thank you for the prayers and kind thoughts.

txradioguy · « **Reply #934 on:** April 12, 2020, 12:46:15 am »

Formerly Once-Ler · « **Reply #935 on:** April 12, 2020, 01:44:53 am »

Quote from: DB on April 11, 2020, 10:09:20 pm

Hi Guys,

The emergency room doctors think it was a pulmonary embolism of some sort but I don't know how that explains the fever. The other symptoms do match that. They sent her home with some medications (I'm assuming a blood thinner). I'm pretty sure she was swabbed for the virus but I don't know if there are any results yet. Hopefully the next 24 hours clears up what's going on.

Thank you for the prayers and kind thoughts.

@DB I'm glad your niece is better.

Formerly Once-Ler · « **Reply #936 on:** April 12, 2020, 03:03:03 am »

According to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

We lost â€12,108â€¬ Americans to the virus last week.

9/11 - 2,996
2017 Hurricane Maria - 2,982
2001-now Afghanistan - 2,216
2003 Iraq - 4,497
TOTAL - â€12,691â€¬

It's almost like all these tragedies happened last week

"This is going to be the hardest and the saddest week of most Americansâ€™ lives, quite frankly,â€ - US Surgeon General Jerome Adams 4/5/20
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/surgeon-general-warns-this-week-will-be-our-pearl-harbor-moment-as-coronavirus-death-toll-rises

I have not watched much TV News over this last week. I trust the daily press conferences on youtube, this forum, and twitter to inform me of the news of the day. So maybe the MSM is already doing it, but I find using the metric of "last week" we lost 12k Americans much more shocking than 20k total and 2k yesterday. I'd be surprised if the MSM doesn't begin incorporating it, if they haven't started.

txradioguy · « **Reply #937 on:** April 12, 2020, 06:05:54 am »

Quote from: Once-Ler on April 12, 2020, 03:03:03 am

According to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

We lost â€12,108â€¬ Americans to the virus last week.

9/11 - 2,996
2017 Hurricane Maria - 2,982
2001-now Afghanistan - 2,216
2003 Iraq - 4,497
TOTAL - â€12,691â€¬

It's almost like all these tragedies happened last week

"This is going to be the hardest and the saddest week of most Americansâ€™ lives, quite frankly,â€ - US Surgeon General Jerome Adams 4/5/20
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/surgeon-general-warns-this-week-will-be-our-pearl-harbor-moment-as-coronavirus-death-toll-rises

I have not watched much TV News over this last week. I trust the daily press conferences on youtube, this forum, and twitter to inform me of the news of the day. So maybe the MSM is already doing it, but I find using the metric of "last week" we lost 12k Americans much more shocking than 20k total and 2k yesterday. I'd be surprised if the MSM doesn't begin incorporating it, if they haven't started.

Almost 12k people will die this month from lung cancer. I hope you mourn that just as hard as you are the stats from this virus.

Should the MSM incorporate those stats onto their reports as well? Or run scare story after scare story about the 143K for the year that will die from this cancer?

What kind of shocking metric should they use for cancer deaths...or suicides...or any other thing that will kill more people than this virus?

Formerly Once-Ler · « **Reply #938 on:** April 12, 2020, 06:35:59 am »

Quote from: txradioguy on April 12, 2020, 06:05:54 am

Almost 12k people will die this month from lung cancer. I hope you mourn that just as hard as you are the stats from this virus.

I'll mourn them 1/4 as hard since they're dying a quarter as fast.

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Should the MSM incorporate those stats onto their reports as well? Or run scare story after scare story about the 143K for the year that will die from this cancer?

You're a stone cold critic.

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What kind of shocking metric should they use for cancer deaths...or suicides...or any other thing that will kill more people than this virus?

Clearly I have offended you by empathizing with the dead. I'm so sorry this has happened to you.

TomSea · « **Reply #939 on:** April 12, 2020, 06:39:33 am »

@Fishrrman

Some very good posts including that picture of the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic. If no one thanked you for those, I wished to. It's hard to remember which thread that was in but it was helpful and useful.

---------

While I am here, I merged 3 of my threads on this topic into this main thread. We can't lose site of other subjects as well.

Pretty good viewership for this forum too; which in the past, was not nearly as active.

Gefn · « **Reply #940 on:** April 12, 2020, 08:08:35 am »

Quote from: DB on April 11, 2020, 10:09:20 pm

Hi Guys,

The emergency room doctors think it was a pulmonary embolism of some sort but I don't know how that explains the fever. The other symptoms do match that. They sent her home with some medications (I'm assuming a blood thinner). I'm pretty sure she was swabbed for the virus but I don't know if there are any results yet. Hopefully the next 24 hours clears up what's going on.

Thank you for the prayers and kind thoughts.

Keep us posted. I hope she starts to feel better soon. @DB

Formerly Once-Ler · « **Reply #941 on:** April 12, 2020, 06:59:01 pm »

Mrs. Once-Ler made ham, potatotos, mac n cheese, cornbread, broccoli, and salad.
My oldest daughter Once-Letta made cup cakes.
We are now playing an on-line game using Zoom with our brood, and their spouses who moved out on their own.
A blessed day in our home.
Hope you are all safe, with full tummies.

Cyber Liberty · « **Reply #942 on:** April 12, 2020, 07:18:12 pm »

Quote from: Once-Ler on April 12, 2020, 06:59:01 pm

Mrs. Once-Ler made ham, potatotos, mac n cheese, cornbread, broccoli, and salad.
My oldest daughter Once-Letta made cup cakes.
We are now playing an on-line game using Zoom with our brood, and their spouses who moved out on their own.
A blessed day in our home.
Hope you are all safe, with full tummies.

I am glad to hear you have an excellent and blessed day, @Once-Ler!

Gefn · « **Reply #943 on:** April 12, 2020, 07:32:28 pm »

Quote from: Once-Ler on April 12, 2020, 06:59:01 pm

Mrs. Once-Ler made ham, potatotos, mac n cheese, cornbread, broccoli, and salad.
My oldest daughter Once-Letta made cup cakes.
We are now playing an on-line game using Zoom with our brood, and their spouses who moved out on their own.
A blessed day in our home.
Hope you are all safe, with full tummies.

You too @Once-Ler
I like the emoji

Neverdul · « **Reply #944 on:** April 12, 2020, 07:46:42 pm »

Quote from: DB on April 11, 2020, 10:09:20 pm

Hi Guys,

The emergency room doctors think it was a pulmonary embolism of some sort but I don't know how that explains the fever. The other symptoms do match that. They sent her home with some medications (I'm assuming a blood thinner). I'm pretty sure she was swabbed for the virus but I don't know if there are any results yet. Hopefully the next 24 hours clears up what's going on.

Thank you for the prayers and kind thoughts.

@DB

Keeping her and your family in my thoughts.

DB · « **Reply #945 on:** April 12, 2020, 07:53:38 pm »

Quote from: Neverdul on April 12, 2020, 07:46:42 pm

@DB

Keeping her and your family in my thoughts.

Thank you.

They've ruled out pulmonary embolism through blood tests and CT scan. Her fever went away sometime yesterday. She's home and as far as I know is not getting worse. Still pending other test results.

Hoodat · « **Reply #946 on:** April 12, 2020, 10:36:39 pm »

04-12-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)	3.528 â†‘	3.864 â†“
United States	1.476 â†‘	17.169 â†“
China	23.233 â†‘	1.058 â†‘

US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 58,751
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 28.8 % â†‘

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Cyber Liberty · « **Reply #947 on:** April 12, 2020, 10:42:21 pm »

Quote from: Hoodat on April 12, 2020, 10:36:39 pm

04-12-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGION Recov:Death Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US) 3.528 â†‘ 3.864 â†“
United States 1.476 â†‘ 17.169 â†“
China 23.233 â†‘ 1.058 â†‘

US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 58,751
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 28.8 % â†‘

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

We got all green arrows today?

jmyrlefuller · « **Reply #948 on:** April 13, 2020, 05:54:30 am »

Quote from: Cyber Liberty on April 12, 2020, 10:42:21 pm

We got all green arrows today?

Caveat: it is the weekend, when reporting usually goes down. It usually jumps the following Tuesday.

I'm just praying we don't get a big jump this time and the decline begins for real. It HAS to start going down, and fast, if we are going to get people back to living again.

Formerly Once-Ler · « **Reply #949 on:** April 13, 2020, 05:57:07 am »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1249506799532867585

Quote

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
I am working hard to expose the corruption and dishonesty in the Lamestream Media. That part is easy, the hard part is WHY?
8:16 PM Â· Apr 12, 2020

You should reassess your priorities in the light of 20k American deaths, with thousands more added daily, Mr President.