Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2

[jmyrlefuller]

I'm no doctor and don't play one on TEE BEE but it is my strong opinion that millions of people have had this particular brand of Coronavirus and never even knew it.

There are persistent suspicions that a particularly nasty chest cold that swept through this area this past winter may have been covid-19.

[libertybele]

There are persistent suspicions that a particularly nasty chest cold that swept through this area this past winter may have been covid-19.

So it would seem that those infected then do not have immunity? 

[Cyber Liberty]

So it would seem that those infected then do not have immunity?

Or the people are being needlessly stampeded.

[mystery-ak]

WOW! Dr. Fauci in New England Journal of Medicine Concedes the Coronavirus Mortality Rate May Be Much Closer to a Very Bad Flu
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/wow-dr-fauci-in-new-england-journal-of-medicine-concedes-the-coronavirus-mortality-rate-may-be-much-closer-to-a-very-bad-flu/

[jmyrlefuller]

So it would seem that those infected then do not have immunity?

Actually, we're right now in an ever-shrinking donut hole with no known cases. Most of this area has few or no cases still. The few that do have it brought it from a big city and have been isolated, to apparent success.

[catfish1957]

There are persistent suspicions that a particularly nasty chest cold that swept through this area this past winter may have been covid-19.

Could be, but unless the virus mutated, I think the high concentration of deaths in certain locations, would counter that point.

[catfish1957]

Homeowner, whose property value shot up overnight....

[DCPatriot]

Actually, we're right now in an ever-shrinking donut hole with no known cases. Most of this area has few or no cases still. The few that do have it brought it from a big city and have been isolated, to apparent success.

LOL!  @jmyrlefuller

So that just means that you're Chapter 13 of this Apocalypse.

IMO, the Left is going to want to do this as Standard Operating Procedure in dealing with 'DECLARED' pandemics.    (Or as Minority Speaker calls it..."panderemic.   

[jmyrlefuller]

Note: smokers and vapers are 14 times as likely to contract covid-19 than non-smokers.
https://www.post-journal.com/news/local-news/2020/03/docs-group-asks-for-smoking-vaping-ban/

[catfish1957]

Note: smokers and vapers are 14 times as likely to contract covid-19 than non-smokers.
https://www.post-journal.com/news/local-news/2020/03/docs-group-asks-for-smoking-vaping-ban/

Very useful info.  Epidemiologist need to start correlating almost everything to contraction rate, mortalty rates, and share it the with population.  Anything to help as a tool to minimize not only the effects, but the spread of the virus.

[Bigun]

WOW! Dr. Fauci in New England Journal of Medicine Concedes the Coronavirus Mortality Rate May Be Much Closer to a Very Bad Flu
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/wow-dr-fauci-in-new-england-journal-of-medicine-concedes-the-coronavirus-mortality-rate-may-be-much-closer-to-a-very-bad-flu/

 

[TomSea]

The Latest: ACLU questions Rhode Island stopping NY cars
By The Associated Press

The Democratic governor on Thursday called the measure extreme but pointed out New York City is the epicenter of the disease in the U.S.

Steven Brown, executive director of the ACLU of Rhode Island, says while Raimondo has the authority to suspend some state laws and regulations to address a medical emergency, she cannot suspend the Constitution.

He says under the Fourth Amendment, having a New York state license plate “simply does not, and cannot, constitute ‘probable cause’ to allow police to stop a car and interrogate the driver, no matter how laudable the goal of the stop may be.”

More at:    https://apnews.com/b37701f21d0f0cbebde83b56b337bd95

Surging Traffic Is Slowing Down Our Internet
March 26, 2020    in Business, News

WASHINGTON — In late January, as China locked down some provinces to contain the spread of the coronavirus, average internet speeds in the country slowed as people who were stuck inside went online more and clogged the networks. In Hubei Province, the epicenter of infections, mobile broadband speeds fell by more than half.

In mid-February, when the virus hit Italy, Germany and Spain, internet speeds in those countries also began to deteriorate.

And last week, as a wave of stay-at-home orders rolled out across the United States, the average time it took to download videos, emails and documents increased as broadband speeds declined 4.9 percent from the previous week, according to Ookla, a broadband speed testing service. Median download speeds dropped 38 percent in San Jose, Calif., and 24 percent in New York, according to Broadband Now, a consumer broadband research site.

Read more at:  https://dnyuz.com/2020/03/26/surging-traffic-is-slowing-down-our-internet/

[Right_in_Virginia]

Chinese Distributed Faulty Coronavirus Test Kits Throughout Europe, Reports Indicate
Washington Free Beacon, Mar 26, 2020

Thousands of rapid test kits purchased from China by European countries have proven to be defective, according to local reports.

In Spain, which currently has the fourth-highest number of coronavirus cases in the world, the government purchased 640,000 rapid test kits from China and South Korea as it fights the pandemic. Experts soon discovered, however, that the tests it purchased from Chinese company Bioeasy were only correctly identifying coronavirus cases 30 percent of the time, according to Spain's El Pais.

The Czech Republic also purchased 150,000 rapid test kits from China, and have likewise found problems. One doctor using the tests found that 80 percent of the kits were faulty and has reverted back to the conventional lab tests, which are significantly slower to process.

The Spanish government confirmed that the tests did not meet its standards and returned them. The Czech Republic is standing by its purchase, arguing that the kits do work and methodological errors are to blame for the high error rate identified by the doctor.

The Chinese government has distanced itself from reports of defective tests. The Chinese embassy in Spain said the regime did not donate the defective test kits, adding that it has not approved Bioeasy to sell its coronavirus test kits.


More:  https://freebeacon.com/national-security/chinese-distributed-faulty-coronavirus-test-kits-throughout-europe-reports-indicate/

[libertybele]

With the flu and the Chinese virus, this could be a very deadly year for the U.S.

How long will coronavirus last in the US?

Life in the United States has been completely upended by the coronavirus pandemic, leaving people trapped in their homes and others without jobs as businesses close.

Globally, more than 530,000 had contracted the virus by late March, including more than 85,000 in the U.S.

So when will it all be over? When will life get back to normal? The short answer is we don’t know. The long answer is more complicated.

Specifically, the pandemic won’t end until enough of the population is immune to the disease (at least 60 percent, experts say) – either by surviving it and becoming immune, which may or may not happen – or through a yet-to-be-made vaccination.

A high number of cases all at once, though, could overwhelm our hospitals and experts say a vaccine likely won’t be ready for more than a year.

In a worst-case scenario, without serious mitigation efforts, hospital beds in the U.S. could be full by April and 2.2 million Americans could die of the virus – not to mention those who would die of other ailments because they couldn’t get medical care – a study from the Imperial College London concluded, according to The Atlantic.

To avoid this bleak scenario, several things must happen. Firstly, Americans shouldn’t expect life to be back to normal by Easter. Those infected with the virus are often contagious while they’re asymptomatic and the incubation period can last up to two weeks. Since many states only instituted stay-at-home orders just over a week ago, cases should be expected to increase over the next couple of weeks and data from any flattening of the curve won't be visible for weeks yet..........

https://www.foxnews.com/health/how-long-will-coronavirus-last-in-the-us

[Smokin Joe]

Note: smokers and vapers are 14 times as likely to contract covid-19 than non-smokers.
https://www.post-journal.com/news/local-news/2020/03/docs-group-asks-for-smoking-vaping-ban/

Makes sense, really. Nicotine paralyses the cillia which clean the lungs. What goes in is slower to come out, which means more time for the virus to take hold. 

[Smokin Joe]

With the flu and the Chinese virus, this could be a very deadly year for the U.S.

How long will coronavirus last in the US?

Life in the United States has been completely upended by the coronavirus pandemic, leaving people trapped in their homes and others without jobs as businesses close.

Globally, more than 530,000 had contracted the virus by late March, including more than 85,000 in the U.S.

So when will it all be over? When will life get back to normal? The short answer is we don’t know. The long answer is more complicated.

Specifically, the pandemic won’t end until enough of the population is immune to the disease (at least 60 percent, experts say) – either by surviving it and becoming immune, which may or may not happen – or through a yet-to-be-made vaccination.

A high number of cases all at once, though, could overwhelm our hospitals and experts say a vaccine likely won’t be ready for more than a year.

In a worst-case scenario, without serious mitigation efforts, hospital beds in the U.S. could be full by April and 2.2 million Americans could die of the virus – not to mention those who would die of other ailments because they couldn’t get medical care – a study from the Imperial College London concluded, according to The Atlantic.

To avoid this bleak scenario, several things must happen. Firstly, Americans shouldn’t expect life to be back to normal by Easter. Those infected with the virus are often contagious while they’re asymptomatic and the incubation period can last up to two weeks. Since many states only instituted stay-at-home orders just over a week ago, cases should be expected to increase over the next couple of weeks and data from any flattening of the curve won't be visible for weeks yet..........

https://www.foxnews.com/health/how-long-will-coronavirus-last-in-the-us

As more people survive the virus and recover, the calculus of being out of work and no longer at risk versus being at risk will come into play. When that reaches a critical point, people will demand that they be allowed to return to work, because the depredations of economic hardship will  pose a clear and ongoing risk to them and theirs, while the virus will not.
Timing that lifting of restrictions will be important, medically, economically, and politically.

[Hoodat]

03-27-2020 | 17:25 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global	4.92 ↓	4.43 ↑
US/Can/Mex	1.82 ↑	36.77 ↓
China	22.66 ↑	1.091↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Positive movement for the third day in a row.  Over 2600 recoveries reported for US/CAN/MEX.

[Hoodat]

Note: smokers and vapers are 14 times as likely to contract covid-19 than non-smokers.

Men should be OK as long as they only smoke the cigarettes with this warning label:

[austingirl]

With the flu and the Chinese virus, this could be a very deadly year for the U.S.

How long will coronavirus last in the US?

Life in the United States has been completely upended by the coronavirus pandemic, leaving people trapped in their homes and others without jobs as businesses close.

Globally, more than 530,000 had contracted the virus by late March, including more than 85,000 in the U.S.

So when will it all be over? When will life get back to normal? The short answer is we don’t know. The long answer is more complicated.

Specifically, the pandemic won’t end until enough of the population is immune to the disease (at least 60 percent, experts say) – either by surviving it and becoming immune, which may or may not happen – or through a yet-to-be-made vaccination.

A high number of cases all at once, though, could overwhelm our hospitals and experts say a vaccine likely won’t be ready for more than a year.

In a worst-case scenario, without serious mitigation efforts, hospital beds in the U.S. could be full by April and 2.2 million Americans could die of the virus – not to mention those who would die of other ailments because they couldn’t get medical care – a study from the Imperial College London concluded, according to The Atlantic.

To avoid this bleak scenario, several things must happen. Firstly, Americans shouldn’t expect life to be back to normal by Easter. Those infected with the virus are often contagious while they’re asymptomatic and the incubation period can last up to two weeks. Since many states only instituted stay-at-home orders just over a week ago, cases should be expected to increase over the next couple of weeks and data from any flattening of the curve won't be visible for weeks yet..........

https://www.foxnews.com/health/how-long-will-coronavirus-last-in-the-us

A little perspective from the CDC 2019-2020 flu season estimates

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
38-53 million cases in the US 400,000 to 730,000 hospitalizations 24,000-62,000 deaths-sounds about like a typical year. Our hospitals aren't overwhelmed by flu that I've ever heard.

97-98% of cases in the US and 95% of the cases in the world are mild and do not require hospitalization or ventilator.

The apocalyptic 2.2 million US death figure has been used to create panic. The model is flawed. The denominator of cases will never be known because of all the people who had mild cases, never sought medical care and recovered. Therefore the data on contagion and lethality are specious.

It is amazing to me how willingly easily people surrendered to the madness of stopping life, irreparably destroying small businesses and lives, and obeying orders to huddle in their homes when they are perfectly healthy. Quarantines used to apply only to sick people. Our freedoms have died without a whimper, let alone a bang.

The scientists, whom we must listen to, have an agenda. Why did Fauci tell people to wash their hands and go about their business during the swine flu epidemic in 2009? H1N1 was a novel virus with no vaccine at the time. There were 60 million cases, 274,000 hospitalizations, and 12,469 deaths.
https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates_2009_h1n1.htm

How does this compare with the Wuhan virus? To date we have 94,425 cases in the US with 1429 deaths and only 2463, or 2.6% of the cases are serious.

[mountaineer]

Yet another attention-starved D-list celebrity wants you to know how tough the virus has been.

Conference calls, online classes, and Netflix: Michelle Obama reveals her family's daily quarantine routine as she and Barack hunker down with their daughters amid coronavirus pandemic

    Michelle, 56, shared what she has been up to in recent weeks while chatting on the phone with talk show host Ellen DeGeneres
    The former first lady said she and her husband, Barack, are with their daughters Malia, 21, and Sasha, 18, who are both home from college amid the global crisis
    The Obamas are likely hunkering down in their Washington, D.C. home
    Michelle said her daughters are finishing their classes online while she and Barack have been taking conference calls at home
    The mom noted the one positive is that the quarantine has forced her family to sit down together and have real conversations
    Coronavirus symptoms: what are they and should you see a doctor?

By Erica Tempesta For Dailymail.com
Published: 18:36 EDT, 26 March 2020 | Updated: 18:44 EDT, 26 March 2020  ...

Story at Daily Mail

[libertybele]

Wondering if the virus has mutated??

Coronavirus sickening young adults, children: We are learning 'that everyone is at risk'

When the coronavirus first started to spread from its origins in China earlier this year, the widely preached consensus was that it did not infect – or at least did not gravely harm – children and young adults. However, public health professionals are now raising the alarm that such information provided a dangerously false sense of security and invincibility.

"It is a misconception that children can't get critically ill. Children are getting sick, but they're not getting as severe cases," Dr. John Whyte, Chief Medical Officer at WebMD, told Fox News. "The highest rate of severe cases and deaths remains the elderly. But what we are learning is that everyone is at risk."

A study released this week by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) concluded that of the 4,226 coronavirus – officially termed COVID-19 – cases reported in the United States as of March 16, 29 percent were of those in the 20 to 44 age range. And in New York City, now the international epicenter of the pathogen, around half the confirmed infections were of individuals aged between 18 and 44...................

https://www.foxnews.com/health/why-young-adults-children-falling-ill-coronavirus

[Bigun]

In a worst-case scenario, without serious mitigation efforts, hospital beds in the U.S. could be full by April and 2.2 million Americans could die of the virus – not to mention those who would die of other ailments because they couldn’t get medical care – a study from the Imperial College London concluded, according to The Atlantic.

And the author of that study is running backward faster than any crawfish on earth! @libertybele

The Scientist Whose Doomsday Pandemic Model Predicted Armageddon Just Walked Back The Apocalyptic Predictions

[jmyrlefuller]

Voluntary quarantine is pretty much a waste of time... It does represent diminished risk at an individual level, when reasonably applied, but that really doesn't mean much in the aggregate, because of teenagers and such. It's a pretty slipshod system with loose protocols.

And, in the long run, not sustainable.

[musiclady]

According to scientific models, we are about six weeks from the peak. (Mid May)

ANY conclusions drawn about the severity or lack of severity of this pandemic are premature.

But I have no doubt that our resident "experts" will continue to tout their extensive medical knowledge nonetheless. 


If you care about keeping your families and communities healthy, continue to STAY HOME, and abide by the MEDICAL facts.

[Smokin Joe]

Wondering if the virus has mutated??

Coronavirus sickening young adults, children: We are learning 'that everyone is at risk'

When the coronavirus first started to spread from its origins in China earlier this year, the widely preached consensus was that it did not infect – or at least did not gravely harm – children and young adults. However, public health professionals are now raising the alarm that such information provided a dangerously false sense of security and invincibility.

"It is a misconception that children can't get critically ill. Children are getting sick, but they're not getting as severe cases," Dr. John Whyte, Chief Medical Officer at WebMD, told Fox News. "The highest rate of severe cases and deaths remains the elderly. But what we are learning is that everyone is at risk."

A study released this week by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) concluded that of the 4,226 coronavirus – officially termed COVID-19 – cases reported in the United States as of March 16, 29 percent were of those in the 20 to 44 age range. And in New York City, now the international epicenter of the pathogen, around half the confirmed infections were of individuals aged between 18 and 44...................

https://www.foxnews.com/health/why-young-adults-children-falling-ill-coronavirus

I think what has mutated is the perception of the virus.

No one said that people under fifty were immune. It just doesn't work that way.
Major risk factors were superficially assigned to an age group, likely because that age group will, statistically, have more people with the identified underlying conditions which contribute to mortality: heart disease, diabetes, pulmonary problems like COPD, and hypertension. So, in a broad way, people over 50 are more likely to suffer mortality as a result of the virus because statistically they are more likely to present with one or more of the complicating underlying medical conditions which contribute to mortality.

The disservice that sort of classification does is that those underlying medical conditions are in no wise confined to older people, and that younger people who have those conditions (and others which may place them at risk) are at risk of mortality as well.

In all the apocalyptic hoo-haw bantered about, the idea of milder cases got shunted off to the side, and the superficial treatment of age left the impression that young people would be somehow immune to the disease.

It simply isn't so.

Thirty of the current 65 confirmed cases in ND are under 50 years of age, the other 35 older. That's a pretty even split for catching the disease. Of those 65, 13 are hospitalized as of this writing, and I have no age breakdown on them. Additionally, 15 are noted to have recovered from the virus, and there is no age breakdown on them, either.

So far, none have died, and I hope it stays that way.