US waves the white flag of surrender to the Taliban and al Qaeda

[andy58-in-nh]

Kevin doesn’t think 18 years is long enough. Another year and we’d have this thing licked.

I had no idea the media were such hawks, BTW. I guess they were just joshing all those times they  bitched about our ‘bloated’ defense budget.

The elite media types are not the ones whose sons and daughters are being maimed and killed over there.

[skeeter]

The elite media types are not the ones whose sons and daughters are being maimed and killed over there.

Have we had success using our military to effect permanent and positive change to any country since the end of WWII? Saving South Korea from commie invasion is the only example I can think of.

Meanwhile we've spent a hundred thousand lives. How many more do we need to sacrifice before we get it?

[Absalom]

That wise Greek (Macedonian, actually), overran whole countries militarily, but essentially imposed a veneer of government on his conquests, leaving much there to run as it always had.

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Smokin, fair enough.
As you're well aware, Alexander's prime interest was in the well-being of Greece.
If conquered Asians chose to kill each other regularly, he was basically indifferent.
 

[TomSea]

Marco Rubio
@marcorubio
#Taliban battlefield advantage over divided Afghan govt means outcome will eventually be no elections & extreme Sharia law

This terrible outcome had become inevitable

Because we can’t continue with an indefinite U.S. troop presence which is what it would take to prevent this
2:45 PM · Mar 1, 2020·

[skeeter]

Marco Rubio
@marcorubio
#Taliban battlefield advantage over divided Afghan govt means outcome will eventually be no elections & extreme Sharia law

This terrible outcome had become inevitable

Because we can’t continue with an indefinite U.S. troop presence which is what it would take to prevent this
2:45 PM · Mar 1, 2020·

He’s right. Its refreshing to see some common sense coming from DC.

[EdinVA]

Marco Rubio
@marcorubio
#Taliban battlefield advantage over divided Afghan govt means outcome will eventually be no elections & extreme Sharia law

This terrible outcome had become inevitable

Because we can’t continue with an indefinite U.S. troop presence which is what it would take to prevent this
2:45 PM · Mar 1, 2020·

No Marco, it would not be indefinite, it would just take the American people to put up or shut up, let the military do it's job and stop putting insane PC rules around their necks.A few months to take out the Taliban.

[Fishrrman]

We should have cleared outta there 15 years ago.

They are muslims -- there is no "western solution" that would work there.

With the possible exception of:
- remove all leaders from power (in all positions)
- install an American military government and martial law
- ban and burn all qurans
- incarcerate all muslim religious leaders
- forcibly convert the population to Chrisitanity.
THAT -might- have done the job.

[Smokin Joe]

We should have cleared outta there 15 years ago.

They are muslims -- there is no "western solution" that would work there.

With the possible exception of:
- remove all leaders from power (in all positions)
- install an American military government and martial law
- ban and burn all qurans
- incarcerate all muslim religious leaders
- forcibly convert the population to Chrisitanity.
THAT -might- have done the job.

Forcibly converting someone to Christianity is like forcibly imposing freedom.
You can't.
It is a choice that must be made, not a patch you sew on your sleeve or something to hang around your neck. 

As has been said elsewhere, the two mindsets (Western Civilization and Islam) are and have been incompatible for the time that both have existed. There have been detentes imposed by mutual threat, or periods during which one or the other is ascendant,  with stability only when the presence of one or the other is minuscule or nonexistent in any given area, for so long as that balance remains at that level.
The Muslim vision for "peace", the Dar al Islam, is one of total conquest.
You won't change the 1400 year old mindset of Islam that is so heavily entrenched in that country, not in one decade, not in ten, without changing the entire culture, something which cannot be done piecemeal.
Western Civilization better have its own vision, if it is to survive.

[sneakypete]

The elite media types are not the ones whose sons and daughters are being maimed and killed over there.

@andy58-in-nh

AND.....,let's not forget all those highly-paid union jobs in the industrial north and west,and the profits made by stockholders.  Not to mention the taxes collected from the wages and corporate profits that can then be used to buy more Dim votes.

End the war and lots of those jobs will disappear until the Pols manage to get us into another one.

[sneakypete]

Marco Rubio
@marcorubio
#Taliban battlefield advantage over divided Afghan govt means outcome will eventually be no elections & extreme Sharia law

This terrible outcome had become inevitable

Because we can’t continue with an indefinite U.S. troop presence which is what it would take to prevent this
2:45 PM · Mar 1, 2020·

@TomSea

PREVENT IT???? All that does is keep the fire fueled and the mosques full due to "foreign devils in our lands killing true believers!"

You want to end that war? The way to do it is to "pull the plug" by killing off the money men financing it,and the religious leaders. NOTHING else will do it.

[corbe]

    I refuse to believe it's over.

[sneakypete]

Forcibly converting someone to Christianity is like forcibly imposing freedom.
You can't.
 
 

@Smokin Joe

You are right. The ONLY way is to kill off the money men financing the war for their own profits,and the radical Mullahs along with the tribabal chiefs that blow them.

Play whack a mole from then on out. Any mullah that starts to to Jihad,dies or just seems to disappear with no notice. The ones that DON'T preach Jihad,get to live until their own people get fed up with them and take them out.

AND....,when we take out the eastern and western financiers who profit from all the poppy fields,we also have to take out their second-tier leadership. I am open to just "disappearing them" or to arresting them,putting them on trial,and executing those found guilty and burning the corpses,feeding them to the hogs,or dumping them at sea so there is never a graveyard to rally around.

[skeeter]

@TomSea

PREVENT IT???? All that does is keep the fire fueled and the mosques full due to "foreign devils in our lands killing true believers!"

You want to end that war? The way to do it is to "pull the plug" by killing off the money men financing it,and the religious leaders. NOTHING else will do it.

Ordinarily I wouldn't buy a book with this guy's name on it to save my own life, but I have to say Jake Tapper's book The Outpost gives a really eye opening account of the way things have gone for our guys in that shithole.

It was clear years ago that there is no way we can make progress in that place. They-don't-want-what-we-are-offering.

[TomSea]

I don't know what percentage but money men over there does mean the opium trade too.

[sneakypete]

I don't know what percentage but money men over there does mean the opium trade too.

@TomSea

I have no trouble with the concept of killing the people in the opium trade,as long as it's not the peasants that get paid to grow it. That accomplishes nothing of value. Kill the money people and MAYBE kick in a few bucks to help them plant a legal cash crop.

[sneakypete]

Ordinarily I wouldn't buy a book with this guy's name on it to save my own life, but I have to say Jake Tapper's book The Outpost gives a really eye opening account of the way things have gone for our guys in that shithole.

It was clear years ago that there is no way we can make progress in that place. They-don't-want-what-we-are-offering.

@skeeter

The Nazis,the Japanese,and the Italians didn't like what we were selling prior to WW-2 either,but we managed to convince them to change their minds.

We just aren't willing to make that sort of commitment in the Muddle East,so let's just kill off the leadership and come home. Repeat as necessary.

[Smokin Joe]

@skeeter

The Nazis,the Japanese,and the Italians didn't like what we were selling prior to WW-2 either,but we managed to convince them to change their minds.

We just aren't willing to make that sort of commitment in the Muddle East,so let's just kill off the leadership and come home. Repeat as necessary.

We were willing to wage total war on the Nazis and the Japanese, including incendiary induced firestorms and even nukes. (Would we have nuked Berlin if we'd had it then? Likely, and then cut to the chase with the Tojo's crowd.)

Since then we joined that thing called the UN (League of Nations v.2) with the Global Socialists dreaming still of world government, and lost the determination to do whatever it takes to defeat an enemy.
Korea isn't the same, that's just a cease fire, technically that war could go hot again at any time.