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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #2700 on: March 20, 2020, 11:59:00 am »
As has been said many, many times, what it is doing is slowing down the spread so that the medical community isn’t overwhelmed.

Even as it is they are under great stress because of the lack of protective gear.

That ain't working.

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If I stay at home I will not get sick.  If one has gotten sick and stays at home he or she will not spread the disease further.

That is not true. If you are fully fortified, and have no further contact, you won't get sick. But that really ain't the case. Either you, or one you know will have to go out for resupply numerous times across many months. And you are likely ordering... Every box and flat stock entering your house is a vector.

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An overwhelmed nurse practitioner who is tough as nails wrote last night (not my d-i-l) that people need to stop comparing this to the flu. With the flu and other diseases, there is a known medical treatment.

This is brand new and completely unknown. 

No it is not. It is SARS, and the Corona family is long known.

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There is no known treatment and people in the medical community are scared.

They should be scared. and they ain't seen nothing yet.

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Ignoring what they are saying and proclaiming that you know better than they is nothing more than hubris.

Ignoring what they say, when you yourself just admitted they don't know what to do. Areas of the country are slipping into martial law... whole sectors of the country are collapsing, many to never rise again. THAT is the threat.

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« Reply #2701 on: March 20, 2020, 12:09:55 pm »
None of us is required to continue an argument they think they have already won or they think deserves a burial.   11513
I can only speak for myself but @musiclady has proven to me time and again that stuff she writes is thoughtful, honest, and credible.
If this lie about anyone pretending nothing is happening you believe to be thoughtful, honest and credible, then you two deserve each other as being at the least ignorant and at most outright liars.
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There’s a big difference between being informed and aware and panic.

It seems that some prefer being ignorant to an honest discussion of what’s going on so they try to pretend nothing is happening.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #2702 on: March 20, 2020, 12:17:48 pm »
None of us is required to continue an argument they think they have already won or they think deserves a burial.   11513
I can only speak for myself but @musiclady has proven to me time and again that stuff she writes is thoughtful, honest, and credible.

Absolutely and I do think the sentiment that there is nothing amiss here is also something I see. I rarely see some opinion of it just being "overreaction", "yeah, there is danger BUT".... so, I will chime in on Music Lady's side but all the same, I think we are splitting hairs, the debate has gone on enough to just bring it up again.

If someone is saying it's no worse than the seasonal flu, that the seasonal flu has caused more deaths, darn tooting, I think they are dismissing what we are up against and that's nothing against them, they have a right to their opinion too.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #2703 on: March 20, 2020, 12:24:46 pm »
Congratulations to the border patriots celebrating the complete closings of our borders.  Probably smart to bring out Chad Wolf Secretary of Homeland Security to remind the GOP base this is what they wanted. 

I don't care much about illegal immigration usually, but I do today.  Stay home foreigners.

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« Reply #2704 on: March 20, 2020, 12:27:10 pm »
The fully awesome Dr Fauci is on. 

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #2705 on: March 20, 2020, 12:28:28 pm »
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Trump Drops ‘Game-Changing’ Coronavirus Update — It Could Change Everything
written by David Lindfield March 20, 2020

President Donald Trump referred to a new drug as a potential “game-changer” that has been reportedly producing strong results in trials involving hospitalized American patients.

Specifically, the president said there are a “couple of drugs” the FDA is approving for “immediate use.”

This is expected to include hydroxychloroquine, a malaria drug that has shown potential in battling coronavirus.

Read more at:  https://newspushed.com/trump-drops-game-changing-coronavirus-update-it-could-change-everything/

THIS 15 DAYS, to me, is a bit of a pause, to see where we stand, halt as much as we can the spread of the disease and yes,  there is a good chance, a good number of people have walked around with the corona and haven't known it, maybe they won't even get sick, it's all touch and go.

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« Reply #2706 on: March 20, 2020, 12:34:58 pm »
President Trump invokes defense production act to produce ventilators.  This is smart, even if we wind up not needing them, they can be sold, and we will no longer be dependent on foreign manufacturing.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #2707 on: March 20, 2020, 12:38:26 pm »
We are trying to get our ducks in a row,  we could seek to follow South Korea's Hong Kong's, Taiwan's and Singapore's success in tackling this problem. Remember, it's not all bad... these countries and Hong Kong have done okay, I think SK has done reasonably well too.  Read up on SK, a cult apparently brought it in there in part, another topic.  Also see pic below, I've seen so many of these kinds of pictures, will we see this kind of fumigation in the USA? I lean towards believing that will happen. Heck, that's Taiwan in the picture, probably or maybe the most successful country in fighting this so far, they being aware of the tricks of their foes, Communist China.
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Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan: the real coronavirus world leaders

    Governments across Europe and North America have showed an almost callous disregard for the health of their citizens, and the world
    In Asia, meanwhile, oases of single-minded purpose have sprung up, sincere in their efforts to ‘flatten the curve’ of transmission


Soldiers practice using disinfectant guns in Taiwan’s Xindian district last week. Photo: AFP

More: https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/opinion/article/3075915/singapore-hong-kong-taiwan-real-coronavirus-world-leaders

The headline is correct, I don't quite care for the attitude though of the editorial itself. We will find out all in good time.

Just for the freaking record, Professor Steve Hanke tweeted this article out, Hanke is Reagan alumnus, pretty sharp guy.

https://twitter.com/steve_hanke




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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #2708 on: March 20, 2020, 12:40:49 pm »
President Trump says he is "not very far away" from Schumer in regards of a stimulus bill.

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« Reply #2709 on: March 20, 2020, 12:42:01 pm »
President Trump says he is "not very far away" from Schumer in regards of a stimulus bill.

Is it odd that I don't find that surprising?

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« Reply #2710 on: March 20, 2020, 12:44:21 pm »
If this lie about anyone pretending nothing is happening you believe to be thoughtful, honest and credible, then you two deserve each other as being at the least ignorant and at most outright liars.
I hope tomorrow is a better day for you @IsailedawayfromFR Stay healthy

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #2711 on: March 20, 2020, 12:45:10 pm »
Hillary was out tweeting on this, though, I obviously don't agree with what she is saying, she did mention something about nurses using bandanas as masks.


https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1240749605912002560   Yep, I saw an article on this.

"Hospitals are already running out of ventilators and beds. Nurses are using bandanas as masks."

So, the take away here, is one can make homemade masks as well and also, I guess, one could use a bandana.  Certainly caution must be used.

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« Reply #2712 on: March 20, 2020, 12:51:46 pm »
Is it odd that I don't find that surprising?
@roamer_1
Nope, and I applaud your purity of cynicism.  Even though I want to give President Trump the benefit of the doubt, You have every right to doubt him, given his record.   

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #2713 on: March 20, 2020, 12:53:55 pm »
No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

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« Reply #2714 on: March 20, 2020, 12:54:53 pm »
Trump unloads his ugly but maybe justifiable indignation on the media.  Clips available on twitter soon.

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« Reply #2715 on: March 20, 2020, 12:56:06 pm »
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#Italy suffered from 475 #Coronavirus deaths in one day. The city of #Bergamo doesn't have enough capacity to cremate all the bodies, so the military had to transport bodies out of the city.

If the US wants to avoid the same fate, the govt must act fast.



https://twitter.com/steve_hanke/status/1240655961846624257

COVID19 is so contagious, that's why the guys and gals are wearing hazmat suits and I guess, in some cases, cremation may be necessary, it's so contagious, what a nightmare that'd be AND...I don't understand it or know enough but I hope we don't see that here.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #2716 on: March 20, 2020, 01:01:12 pm »
New York joins California in locking down against the virus


New York state moved to join California on Friday in confining nearly all residents to their homes, as governors undertook their most sweeping efforts yet to contain the coronavirus and fend off the kind of onslaught of patients that has caused southern Europe to buckle.

“We’re going to close the valve, because the rate of increase in the number of cases portends a total overwhelming of our hospital system,” New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said as cases in the state climbed to more than 7,000 and the death toll reached at least 38.

Cuomo said that starting Sunday, all workers in nonessential businesses must stay home and all gatherings of any size will be banned in the state of more than 19 million people. The move came after California all but confined its 40 million residents in the biggest lockdown in the nation.

https://apnews.com/52f7fc77cce85060ad1cf73297b7cd45
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« Reply #2717 on: March 20, 2020, 01:03:51 pm »
I double posted above story here and the NY thread. It’s important for people living in NY see it.
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« Reply #2718 on: March 20, 2020, 01:14:00 pm »
I double posted above story here and the NY thread. It’s important for people living in NY see it.

I should imagine every cell phone in the state has gone off with alerts.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #2719 on: March 20, 2020, 01:15:34 pm »
Coronavirus: PM orders pubs, restaurants and gyms to close across the UK


Boris Johnson has ordered cafes, pubs, bars, restaurants and gyms to close from tonight in a bid to stop the spread of coronavirus.

It comes after the total number of people who have died in the UK after contracting COVID-19 rose to 177 after England saw 39 more deaths - the biggest rise in a day.

There were 3,269 confirmed cases in the UK recorded by Thursday evening - that figure will be updated later today.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-pm-orders-pubs-restaurants-and-gyms-to-close-across-the-uk-11961064
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« Reply #2720 on: March 20, 2020, 01:16:50 pm »
I should imagine every cell phone in the state has gone off with alerts.

You’re probably correct. *sigh*

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« Reply #2721 on: March 20, 2020, 01:21:04 pm »


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« Reply #2722 on: March 20, 2020, 01:22:12 pm »
Cuomo just locked down New York.
I don't understand why.  It's just like a bad flu virus, plus it only kills the elderly or the weakest among us.  They were pretty much in God's waiting room anyway, plus why should I have to pay to save THEM. /sarcasm

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« Reply #2723 on: March 20, 2020, 01:22:38 pm »
Trump unloads his ugly but maybe justifiable indignation on the media.  Clips available on twitter soon.

There, fixed it for you.  I've been watching the press conference today and it's quite amazing the crap that the media is trying to stir.

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« Reply #2724 on: March 20, 2020, 01:27:41 pm »
None of us is required to continue an argument they think they have already won or they think deserves a burial.   11513
I can only speak for myself but @musiclady has proven to me time and again that stuff she writes is thoughtful, honest, and credible.

Thank you @Once-Ler .

Pointless arguments are...... well, pointless.

Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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« Reply #2725 on: March 20, 2020, 01:28:12 pm »
I don't understand why.  It's just like a bad flu virus, plus it only kills the elderly or the weakest among us.  They were pretty much in God's waiting room anyway, plus why should I have to pay to save THEM. /sarcasm

Because he is dumb as post! Just like his friend, the Governor of California.
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« Reply #2726 on: March 20, 2020, 01:28:20 pm »
I double posted above story here and the NY thread. It’s important for people living in NY see it.
I saw the press conference. Very discouraged. Thankfully this is as far as Cuomo is willing to go but I'm certainly hoping this doesn't last more than a few weeks.

There are still no confirmed cases here in my county and likely very few unconfirmed ones. There is already plenty of space to keep social distancing. As I noted, the last major gatherings here were the weekend of March 7 and 8. The last major chance of infection likely came from people coming home from college this past week. This SHOULD put the kibosh on any cases here within a couple of weeks if it works as well as they say.

If and when that happens, I am hoping that the governor recognizes that and loosens the restrictions here to focus efforts on urban areas where disease treatment and eradication will likely require a longer time span.
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« Reply #2727 on: March 20, 2020, 01:32:19 pm »
Because he is dumb as post! Just like his friend, the Governor of California.

Actually, he is... confining people to close quarters without removing all vectors just means the whole house will infect.

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« Reply #2728 on: March 20, 2020, 01:33:37 pm »
New York joins California in locking down against the virus


New York state moved to join California on Friday in confining nearly all residents to their homes, as governors undertook their most sweeping efforts yet to contain the coronavirus and fend off the kind of onslaught of patients that has caused southern Europe to buckle.

“We’re going to close the valve, because the rate of increase in the number of cases portends a total overwhelming of our hospital system,” New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said as cases in the state climbed to more than 7,000 and the death toll reached at least 38.

Cuomo said that starting Sunday, all workers in nonessential businesses must stay home and all gatherings of any size will be banned in the state of more than 19 million people. The move came after California all but confined its 40 million residents in the biggest lockdown in the nation.

https://apnews.com/52f7fc77cce85060ad1cf73297b7cd45

Because of DiBlasio's and Cuomo's inaction early on, NY is likely to become America's version of Italy.
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« Reply #2729 on: March 20, 2020, 01:34:17 pm »
I saw the press conference. Very discouraged. Thankfully this is as far as Cuomo is willing to go but I'm certainly hoping this doesn't last more than a few weeks.

There are still no confirmed cases here in my county and likely very few unconfirmed ones. There is already plenty of space to keep social distancing. As I noted, the last major gatherings here were the weekend of March 7 and 8. The last major chance of infection likely came from people coming home from college this past week. This SHOULD put the kibosh on any cases here within a couple of weeks if it works as well as they say.

If and when that happens, I am hoping that the governor recognizes that and loosens the restrictions here to focus efforts on urban areas where disease treatment and eradication will likely require a longer time span.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #2730 on: March 20, 2020, 01:36:38 pm »
"I can just say the entire world is agreeing with us, because they all have their choice, and Everybody is doing the exact same thing. 
We want to shut it out and we can do that. 
We'll see what happens in 2 weeks..in 3 weeks.
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« Reply #2731 on: March 20, 2020, 01:39:30 pm »

@corbe I get your point.
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« Reply #2732 on: March 20, 2020, 01:46:38 pm »
This is a total doubters thread on TBR:   http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394834.msg2173068/boardseen.html#new

Is it totally dismissive? It's darn close. It's always easy too, to just say the problem is being exaggerated.

If the Coronavirus is being compared to the yearly flu in severity, yes, that seems to be very dismissive.
Dismissive of the panic that has stripped store shelves and had people fighting over toilet paper, and dismissive of "statistics" which give mortality without a denominator and allow for no rate to be calculated to put this disease into perspective.

But not dismissive of the disease nor the fact that people are dying from it.

Quit pimping panic. Thank you.
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« Reply #2733 on: March 20, 2020, 01:52:17 pm »
Dismissive of the panic that has stripped store shelves and had people fighting over toilet paper, and dismissive of "statistics" which give mortality without a denominator and allow for no rate to be calculated to put this disease into perspective.

But not dismissive of the disease nor the fact that people are dying from it.

Quit pimping panic. Thank you.

We or should I say I don't care to see fumigators out spraying the streets, crematoriums used to burn the dead as is happening in Italy here nor flooded clinics.

Can the ad homs if you just are not knowledgeable of the situation, that's not my fault.

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#Italy suffered from 475 #Coronavirus deaths in one day. The city of #Bergamo doesn't have enough capacity to cremate all the bodies, so the military had to transport bodies out of the city.

If the US wants to avoid the same fate, the govt must act fast.



https://twitter.com/steve_hanke/status/1240655961846624257

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #2734 on: March 20, 2020, 01:54:31 pm »
Dismissive of the panic that has stripped store shelves and had people fighting over toilet paper, and dismissive of "statistics" which give mortality without a denominator and allow for no rate to be calculated to put this disease into perspective.

But not dismissive of the disease nor the fact that people are dying from it.

Quit pimping panic. Thank you.
Since you are not part of the high risk group, I take it that you've taken NO precautions at all. 

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« Reply #2735 on: March 20, 2020, 01:56:59 pm »
"I can just say the entire world is agreeing with us, because they all have their choice, and Everybody is doing the exact same thing. 

And there is the irony.

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We want to shut it out and we can do that. 

No we can't... As those in your first statement will inevitably find out, as they are copying all the nations that came before...


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« Reply #2736 on: March 20, 2020, 01:58:11 pm »
I don't understand why.  It's just like a bad flu virus, plus it only kills the elderly or the weakest among us.  They were pretty much in God's waiting room anyway, plus why should I have to pay to save THEM. /sarcasm
Keep in mind that Cuomo was also instrumental in banning fraccing from New York State and blocking pipelines which could have carried Natural Gas not only to New York, but to the entire Northeast.

Once again, the main identified risk factors for a fatal outcome do not necessarily include age, but do include Hypertension, Coronary Disease, and Diabetes. "Pre-existing medical conditions" are nearly universal in cases with fatal outcomes.
Those conditions tend to be more common with age, so the mortality figures appear skewed on the basis of age.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #2737 on: March 20, 2020, 02:00:10 pm »
 
@corbe I get your point.
What did Friedman say about National Emergencies?

  Nothing that I can quickly discern @Once-Ler  we are indeed in uncharted waters.
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« Reply #2738 on: March 20, 2020, 02:00:28 pm »
And there is the irony.

No we can't... As those in your first statement will inevitably find out, as they are copying all the nations that came before...
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« Reply #2739 on: March 20, 2020, 02:03:24 pm »
Back to the recommended reading The masque of the Red Death by Edgar Allen Poe

You can buy em books and buy em books, and all they'll do is eat the covers.

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« Reply #2740 on: March 20, 2020, 02:04:24 pm »

  Nothing that I can quickly discern @Once-Ler  we are indeed in uncharted waters.

And that is the one compelling argument for the draconian response we're seeing. The best any of us can manage is an educated guess.

Granted, some more educated than others.

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« Reply #2741 on: March 20, 2020, 02:04:42 pm »

Kindly return your sarcasm to the appropriate orifice.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #2742 on: March 20, 2020, 02:05:55 pm »
Back to the recommended reading The masque of the Red Death by Edgar Allen Poe

I was wondering when the story about Prospero woud come up....
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« Reply #2743 on: March 20, 2020, 02:06:01 pm »
And that is the one compelling argument for the draconian response we're seeing. The best any of us can manage is an educated guess.

Granted, some more educated than others.

YES! The very same draconian responses that have not worked anywhere!

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« Reply #2744 on: March 20, 2020, 02:07:55 pm »
YES! The very same draconian responses that have not worked anywhere!

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I said it was the one compelling argument. I didn't say I agreed with it.

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« Reply #2745 on: March 20, 2020, 02:12:49 pm »
I said it was the one compelling argument. I didn't say I agreed with it.

I know. Your position has been clear all along. My sarcasm was not directed at you personally  :seeya:

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« Reply #2746 on: March 20, 2020, 02:14:23 pm »
Since you are not part of the high risk group, I take it that you've taken NO precautions at all.
We don't know all of the factors, but I don't have heart disease, hypertension, nor diabetes.
That reduces my apparent vulnerability to the disease by 99%.
The nearest confirmed case of the virus is 150 miles away.
If the disease gets closer, I will worry about it.
I have some masks, a full pantry (normally), full freezers (also normal), and no garage full of toilet paper.
I go about my business as usual, only stay a little farther from the people I talk with, limit contact, and wash my hands a little more frequently. The temperature outside this morning when I awoke was 1 degree above zero, so I wear gloves as a matter of course. I have for the duration of this disease quit shaking hands, which is harder for me than you might think, partly because the nature of a person's handshake tells me a lot about them.
When my gas tank gets down to 3/4 I fill up, as is prudent in this climate. You never run on the bottom of the fuel tank here, always the top half, and a full tank reduces the expansion and contraction of vapor in the fuel tank, which makes for less water vapor in the system, which prevents fuel line icing, which can be fatal. I don't know anyone personally who has died from this disease, but I did know two people who froze to death.

With all that in mind, I have taken no specific special measures, because all of the above, with the exception of the lack of handshakes and standing a couple feet further away, are just a way of life for me.
I have a full beard, so the ordinary N95 mask won't seal anyway.

What more would you have me do?
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« Reply #2747 on: March 20, 2020, 02:16:51 pm »
Twitter.....

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BREAKING: Largest increase yet in Corona virus cases in Italy

5 986 new infections and 627 dead today.

- 47 021 infected.
- 4 032 dead.
- 8.6% death rate.

Spain also has over 20 000 cases now.

This is getting really bad

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« Reply #2748 on: March 20, 2020, 02:21:31 pm »
I double posted above story here and the NY thread. It’s important for people living in NY see it.
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« Reply #2749 on: March 20, 2020, 02:23:15 pm »
We don't know all of the factors, but I don't have heart disease, hypertension, nor diabetes.
That reduces my apparent vulnerability to the disease by 99%.
The nearest confirmed case of the virus is 150 miles away.
If the disease gets closer, I will worry about it.
I have some masks, a full pantry (normally), full freezers (also normal), and no garage full of toilet paper.
I go about my business as usual, only stay a little farther from the people I talk with, limit contact, and wash my hands a little more frequently. The temperature outside this morning when I awoke was 1 degree above zero, so I wear gloves as a matter of course. I have for the duration of this disease quit shaking hands, which is harder for me than you might think, partly because the nature of a person's handshake tells me a lot about them.
When my gas tank gets down to 3/4 I fill up, as is prudent in this climate. You never run on the bottom of the fuel tank here, always the top half, and a full tank reduces the expansion and contraction of vapor in the fuel tank, which makes for less water vapor in the system, which prevents fuel line icing, which can be fatal. I don't know anyone personally who has died from this disease, but I did know two people who froze to death.

With all that in mind, I have taken no specific special measures, because all of the above, with the exception of the lack of handshakes and standing a couple feet further away, are just a way of life for me.
I have a full beard, so the ordinary N95 mask won't seal anyway.

What more would you have me do?

My normal preparedness is the same as yours.  Our pantry is full, as is the large freezer.  Didn't panic buy a single thing.
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