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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1800 on: March 16, 2020, 05:14:20 pm »
Is this a bad response?

Not if you look at the context in which it is written.  Trump went on to say, “We will be backing you, but try getting it yourselves. Point of sales, much better, much more direct if you can get it yourself.”  This is the correct response.  The governors are responsible for the welfare of their prospective States.  They are ultimately in charge of securing what their State needs.  And if they are having difficulty getting something, at that point then they should call the federal government.  Makes perfect sense.

I am so sick and tired of seeing DU trash posted on these boards, @TomSfea .  Can you give it a rest?  Or better yet, do some friggin' research and find out what Trump actually said instead of trusting what some left-wing idiot tweeted without context.

You never debunk anything, you post something, here's some doctor who used cocaine and video.

Conservatives don't try to shut down free speech.

Ted Cruz went into quarantine and extended it a week, I've read what Senator Cotton has said, your views are absolute nonsense and you try to shame others with your name-calling.  I'm sorry, you don't seem to know what you are talking about.  And if one is abrasive, much less of a chance of even reading what you are saying.  Please don't tell others you are the conservative way.

And @Sighlass of all things, said where he lived in Alabama, people were protesting the quarantine center that was being built, but all you've got is name-calling sorry... yeah, and outright mistruths saying this is not what Trump said.. hard to read your posts with this conduct.


This is like the biggest story since 9/11 or the Iraq and Afghanistan campaigns and you want people to obey what  you say with barely any backup. It's unfathomable.

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Ted Cruz, not conservatives? Interesting perspective.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1801 on: March 16, 2020, 05:14:23 pm »
There isn't likely enough time to produce enough respirators to really change things at this point. A specialty product that has a long list of procurement requirement items. It should be pursued, but will likely be late to the party. The only real option left is slow the infection rate so that you lower the peak amount of respirators needed so more people can be treated overall. It allows more time for new production. It also allows more time for a possible vaccine or other treatment to come online.

I don't know what the right balance is. There is significant destruction on either side of the equation.

No one knows what the right balance is for sure.

But you are absolutely right.  If the infection rate is slowed significantly (which it will be by limiting group sizes), then there is more time to produce more medical supplies.

As I've said elsewhere, in the presser today our director of health said we have plenty of supplies here in Ohio, but the point of the measures being taken are to prevent that large uptick of cases which will absolutely come if nothing is done.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1802 on: March 16, 2020, 05:15:33 pm »

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1803 on: March 16, 2020, 05:17:08 pm »
It is California...

Good point.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1804 on: March 16, 2020, 05:23:02 pm »
I am currently undergoing PT post-hip replacement. No big deal to the government if my recovery suffers or I don't regain proper function because I'm not permitted to go to the PT facility.
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I don't know -- since the PT is post-op medical, would there be an exception to the lockdown in your case?  Or could there be some sessions held in your home? 

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1805 on: March 16, 2020, 05:23:31 pm »
Kroger was out of milk. If there's a mandatory quarantine, I guess I'll just go without for a few weeks. But seriously, who hoards milk? It's not like it has an indefinite shelf life.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1806 on: March 16, 2020, 05:24:02 pm »
Show me that we have ever effectively stopped a virus and I might believe an alternate option... But that significant distruction is already ordained. which means a focus on logistics is what will actually be effective.

I'm not suggesting it is going to be stopped. We can only hope to slow it down. Italy didn't slow it down and they are also suffering significant destruction. Bad things are coming period. I'd rather be poorer than a family member dying because the health system was overwhelmed when they most needed care.

We'll know if we did it better or worse after it all passes. Different countries have done different things. Many of those outcomes will gauge how we did.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1807 on: March 16, 2020, 05:26:53 pm »
I'd rather be poorer than a family member dying because the health system was overwhelmed when they most needed care.

Like I said, a logistics problem.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1808 on: March 16, 2020, 05:26:55 pm »
Kroger was out of milk. If there's a mandatory quarantine, I guess I'll just go without for a few weeks. But seriously, who hoards milk? It's not like it has an indefinite shelf life.

Just like when it threatens to snow in western PA.  People buy up all the perishables land toilet paper. 

Perhaps look for shelf-stable milk?  I can't drink regular milk, but today I bought shelf stable versions of almond milk.  Not quite as good as the real stuff, but in a pinch it will do.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1809 on: March 16, 2020, 05:27:20 pm »
Kroger was out of milk. If there's a mandatory quarantine, I guess I'll just go without for a few weeks. But seriously, who hoards milk? It's not like it has an indefinite shelf life.

I figure this goofy panic buying will end soon.  Today our (HUGE) Kroger was out of bread, pasta, canned and frozen vegetables and of course, TP.

Eventually the panicked hoarders will have what they think they need, stay home, and normal people can just keep their pantries full.

This too shall pass....   happy77

btw, I think your post op therapy is considered essential, so you should be able to get it no problem.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1810 on: March 16, 2020, 05:28:44 pm »
No. I would say that's the real issue - and it is intimately intertwined with the virus.

It's actually a logistics problem and not prevention, with in normal reason... I think the virus will do what it does - You might as well try to stop the sun from rising. Do you think a government that can't stop the flow at the border can stop anything internally? Not without a lockdown like you wouldn't believe... And I expect that's what's coming. And even at that, the street will still be functioning. illegal drugs will still be flowing, the poor will still be mingling, the homeless will still be shitting... Which means of course that all the lock down will be ineffective.

I don't know if that's true... If you omit hotspots, the overall toll is cut in half or more. Even if it is as bad as they are saying, shutting down means logistical problems get worsen not better. You've just fixed the number of respirators in any given region, because shut down, there is no way in hell your getting more. It creates a finite pie.

I get the concern, I do. I have family in health care, and my mother and sister are certainly at risk, as am I myself in some aspects... So I get it.

When there was exactly one COVID-19 case in Arizona, he/she was in @DB's city.  I don't blame him a bit for being concerned.  I'd be if I still lived there, but isolation is the whole point of having moved to a Castle in the foothills. 

The only thing we had to go out for was the heavy cream Mrs. Liberty wants to churn butter with.  I don't know why.   :shrug:  I think she saw a YouTube or something.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1811 on: March 16, 2020, 05:31:01 pm »
Like I said, a logistics problem.

Yes. if demand is expected to surpass supply you have to decrease demand and/or increase supply to avoid going without. Here time is the critical factor. Weeks, not months.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1812 on: March 16, 2020, 05:33:20 pm »
When there was exactly one COVID-19 case in Arizona, he/she was in @DB's city.  I don't blame him a bit for being concerned.  I'd be if I still lived there, but isolation is the whole point of having moved to a Castle in the foothills. 

The only thing we had to go out for was the heavy cream Mrs. Liberty wants to churn butter with.  I don't know why.   :shrug:  I think she saw a YouTube or something.

Not only the same city, the same school my daughter is going to...

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1813 on: March 16, 2020, 05:34:26 pm »
I figure this goofy panic buying will end soon.  Today our (HUGE) Kroger was out of bread, pasta, canned and frozen vegetables and of course, TP.

Eventually the panicked hoarders will have what they think they need, stay home, and normal people can just keep their pantries full.

This too shall pass....   happy77

btw, I think your post op therapy is considered essential, so you should be able to get it no problem.

Where I live, the problem now is replacing what the panic buyers and hoarders have snapped up.  For example, I saw a sign in the cleaning products aisle of the local market that said replacement shipments might not come in for two more weeks.

And I hope you're right that @mountaineer can get her PT -- one way or the other.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1814 on: March 16, 2020, 05:35:23 pm »
When there was exactly one COVID-19 case in Arizona, he/she was in @DB's city.  I don't blame him a bit for being concerned.  I'd be if I still lived there, but isolation is the whole point of having moved to a Castle in the foothills. 

The only thing we had to go out for was the heavy cream Mrs. Liberty wants to churn butter with.  I don't know why.   :shrug:  I think she saw a YouTube or something.

No, no, no... You go find a farmer with a milk cow, buy raw milk from him and skim off the cream...

I am reasonably set up, of course, but went out today to stock up, and am leaving again right now... It's crazy man. Just plain crazy. It almost ain't worth the couple hundred dollars worth I'd like to get in... t least that's true now that I have coffee.

But i just got notice that I can't pay my electric bill - the place is closed down, and my only options are electronic... which I don't do. Looks like they get to wait.
 

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1815 on: March 16, 2020, 05:35:47 pm »
Not only the same city, the same school my daughter is going to...

Oh, wow.

Prayers @DB !!  Be safe!!
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1816 on: March 16, 2020, 05:38:55 pm »
Not only the same city, the same school my daughter is going to...

Yes.  ASU. 
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1817 on: March 16, 2020, 05:42:59 pm »
You never debunk anything

Read my post again.  I just did.


you post something, here's some doctor who used cocaine and video.

I don't know what this means.


Conservatives don't try to shut down free speech.

No one here is shutting down free speech.  I simply inquired why you would parrot DU bullshit.  Trump's statement was selectively abbreviated and deliberately taken out of context to convey something other than what Trump actually said.  Yet by your response, you seem to be on board with that.


Ted Cruz went into quarantine and extended it a week, I've read what Senator Cotton has said, your views are absolute nonsense

Then why not read what Trump said too instead of parroting a selective misrepresentation of his statement.


and you try to shame others with your name-calling.

What name did I call you?


Please don't tell others you are the conservative way.

Conservative way?  Weren't you the one reposting liberal tweets bashing the President by mischaracterizing his words?


And @Sighlass of all things, said where he lived in Alabama, people were protesting the quarantine center that was being built, but all you've got is name-calling sorry... yeah, and outright mistruths saying this is not what Trump said.. hard to read your posts with this conduct.

Please show me where I victimized @Sighlass with name-calling.



This is like the biggest story since 9/11 or the Iraq and Afghanistan campaigns and you want people to obey what  you say with barely any backup. It's unfathomable.

Want you to obey?  lol.  Call me crazy, but I have this weird idea that liberal lies about President Trump shouldn't be posted here.  Or any lies for that matter.  Sadly, don't see it that way.  So if it is important to you, keep posting Democrat tweets falsely attacking the President.  Hope it makes you 'feel' better.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1818 on: March 16, 2020, 05:43:19 pm »
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Then why not read what Trump said too instead of parroting a selective misrepresentation of his statement.

You didn't like that tweet? I would think a Bush appointee who also served for Obama and Trump might still be worth a read, it doesn't mean we always agree with what they say,  law clerk for William Rehnquist?

Parroting a misrepresenation of what he said? Hey, it's twitter and we post tweets.


That twitter per the respirators, Brett McGurk:

White House of George Bush:
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Brett McGurk
Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Iraq and Afghanistan, National Security Council

Brett McGurk

Brett H. McGurk serves as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Iraq and Afghanistan, Strategic Planning and Policy Development. In his current role, Mr. McGurk is responsible for developing and overseeing the effective implementation of U.S. strategy in these two vital fronts of the Global War on Terrorism.

Mr. McGurk formerly served as Director for Iraq on the National Security Council, where he handled a broad policy portfolio and participated in the President's comprehensive strategic review in 2006, which led to the President's address to the nation on January 10, 2007, and the new strategy for Iraq now known as the surge.

...

He is a former Supreme Court law clerk, serving with the late Chief Justice Rehnquist on the Supreme Court's 2001-2002 Term.

More at:  https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/government/mcgurk-bio.html

"Brett McGurk is the consummate professional diplomat. He has served on the front lines across three administrations, and handled some of the most difficult assignments for me and President Bush in Iraq during the surge."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_McGurk

I'm not the biggest fan of McGurk, he is a controversial figure in his own light, still a Bush appointee and then, worked for Obama and indeed for Trump for a time.

Just to discount this? Amazing.  It's like we are just working with no information.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1819 on: March 16, 2020, 05:45:36 pm »
Kroger was out of milk. If there's a mandatory quarantine, I guess I'll just go without for a few weeks. But seriously, who hoards milk? It's not like it has an indefinite shelf life.

Next time you find it, by an extra gallon (plastic jug) and put it in the freezer.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1820 on: March 16, 2020, 05:48:16 pm »
Next time you find it, by an extra gallon (plastic jug) and put it in the freezer.

Since you brought that up........  how does it do when you thaw it out?  I remember that my Mom used to freeze milk, but I don't remember how it tasted after she got it out..
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1821 on: March 16, 2020, 05:48:51 pm »
About that mandatory quarantine -- this was on my MSN newsfeed per CNN:

Trump says he's considering recommending quarantine for coronavirus 'hotspots'

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President Donald Trump said Monday that the White House is evaluating whether to encourage isolation measures, such as a quarantine or curfew, in certain novel coronavirus "hotspots" around the country, but is not considering issuing those measures nationwide.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-hes-considering-recommending-quarantine-for-coronavirus-hotspots/ar-BB11gtNM?ocid=spartandhp

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1822 on: March 16, 2020, 05:50:38 pm »
Since you brought that up........  how does it do when you thaw it out?  I remember that my Mom used to freeze milk, but I don't remember how it tasted after she got it out..

Tastes just like milk.  But I only use it for cereal or making pancakes.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1823 on: March 16, 2020, 05:53:18 pm »
Next time you find it, by an extra gallon (plastic jug) and put it in the freezer.

Powdered milk is an alternative as well.  Not as tasty -- but it's still milk.

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« Reply #1824 on: March 16, 2020, 05:53:51 pm »
Someone who has spoken against Trump, said he voted 3rd party and not for Trump is now upset that a tweet by an experienced diplomat was posted and calling it a misrepresentation and some how taking it out of context? I don't buy it. And that's also with what would seem to be implied in the past, that one did not think Trump was conservative.

What is the exact quote taken out of context?

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Hours earlier, Mr. Trump told a group of governors that they should not wait for the federal government to fill the growing demand for respirators needed to help people diagnosed with coronavirus.

“Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves,” Mr. Trump told the governors during the conference call, a recording of which was shared with The New York Times.

“We will be backing you, but try getting it yourselves,” he said. “Point of sales, much better, much more direct if you can get it yourself.”

The suggestion surprised some of the governors, who have been scrambling to contain the outbreak and are increasingly looking to the federal government for help with equipment, personnel and financial aid.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/902682/trump-governors-try-getting-respirators-coronavirus-patients-yourselves

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1825 on: March 16, 2020, 05:54:48 pm »
Tastes just like milk.  But I only use it for cereal or making pancakes.

OK.  Thanks.  We just use it for cereal too.  That's good to know.   :beer:
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1826 on: March 16, 2020, 05:55:01 pm »
Parroting a misrepresenation of what he said? Hey, it's twitter and we post tweets.

So you have no problem with the fact that the tweet omitted the remainder of Trump's statement, and in doing so completely misrepresented what Trump said?

Trump's response was 100% correct.  But no one here would know that from your deceptive post.
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« Reply #1827 on: March 16, 2020, 06:03:30 pm »
So you have no problem with the fact that the tweet omitted the remainder of Trump's statement, and in doing so completely misrepresented what Trump said?

Trump's response was 100% correct.  But no one here would know that from your deceptive post.

More insults, more browbeating. 

Again, you seemed to imply Trump is not even conservative and you have said you didn't vote for him.  So, who are you to tell others? This is bullying.

What is the full context of his speech?  There's not enough room in a tweet. Just because you accuse others of deception doesn't mean it's so, it's the way the world works and I didn't see where the former law clerk for William Rehnquist and Bush appointee said something deceptive.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1828 on: March 16, 2020, 06:04:11 pm »
Like I said, a logistics problem.

And that is the real problem with something like this. Especially if the govt locks things down for a couple of weeks.

I hate the panic buying, but I understand it. If jurisdictions go full China on this and you have to stay-in-place for awhile, you need supplies.

Like water, toilet paper, cleaning supplies - all the stuff that is disappearing off the shelves.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1829 on: March 16, 2020, 06:04:19 pm »
So you have no problem with the fact that the tweet omitted the remainder of Trump's statement, and in doing so completely misrepresented what Trump said?

Trump's response was 100% correct.  But no one here would know that from your deceptive post.

Ironic.... since TomSea was one of THE most vehement supporters of Trump when I migrated here from TOS.  Ironic and...

odd.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1830 on: March 16, 2020, 06:06:01 pm »
March 11th:

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Trump moves to increase availability of respirators

WASHINGTON, March 11 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump on Wednesday signed a memo directing the U.S. secretary of labor to take steps to increase the availability of respirators for use by healthcare workers dealing with the coronavirus outbreak.

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-usa-respirators-idUSW1N2AO008

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« Reply #1831 on: March 16, 2020, 06:06:31 pm »
Someone who has spoken against Trump, said he voted 3rd party and not for Trump is now upset that a tweet by an experienced diplomat was posted and calling it a misrepresentation and some how taking it out of context? I don't buy it. And that's also with what would seem to be implied in the past, that one did not think Trump was conservative.

What is the exact quote taken out of context?

You posted this part:  “Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves”
But you omitted this part:  “We will be backing you, but try getting it yourselves.  Point of sales, much better, much more direct if you can get it yourself.”

Here again is your statement.
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Wow.

“Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves,” Mr. Trump told the governors during the conference call. via
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Is this a bad response?

Brett McGurk retweeted this.

I do agee, this isn't the right answer.

You were repeating a tweet from a NYTimes reporter making the case that the heartless bastard Trump was telling States that they were SOL.  But that is not at all what Trump said.  You expressed your agreement that Trump's answer was not the right answer.  You accepted the words of a left-wing journalist without investigating to find out what Trump really said.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1832 on: March 16, 2020, 06:07:03 pm »
It's been a depressing day, hasn't it?
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« Reply #1833 on: March 16, 2020, 06:08:17 pm »
No, no, no... You go find a farmer with a milk cow, buy raw milk from him and skim off the cream...

I am reasonably set up, of course, but went out today to stock up, and am leaving again right now... It's crazy man. Just plain crazy. It almost ain't worth the couple hundred dollars worth I'd like to get in... t least that's true now that I have coffee.

But i just got notice that I can't pay my electric bill - the place is closed down, and my only options are electronic... which I don't do. Looks like they get to wait.

I got a notice a day or two ago from SRP the electric power company here in Mesa AZ that said they will not turn the power off for unpaid bills and will not charge late fees for unpaid bills until further notice.

That was a bit of a WOW.

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« Reply #1834 on: March 16, 2020, 06:09:13 pm »
Ironic.... since TomSea was one of THE most vehement supporters of Trump when I migrated here from TOS.  Ironic and...

odd.

No, it isn't, not in one bit. The president is not a God, it be Bush or whomever is president, there is nothing wrong with showing something that happened at a press conference.  I mean, what is ironic is you said you are cynical about the sickness in the other thread a short time ago.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394834.new.html#new

Now, we have this, one posts something by Brett McGurk who by the way, was not fired by Trump but resigned and now, posting something he commented on is out of bounds? Unbelievable.

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« Reply #1835 on: March 16, 2020, 06:11:52 pm »
It's been a depressing day, hasn't it?
Yes, it has. They've shut down most non-essential businesses here today. Hopefully there aren't any more drastic measures that need to be taken. They're tightening up on us like a vise.

We've pretty much closed the borders and cut off most congregation points—if this doesn't slow down the spread to something manageable, we're in trouble. I have hope it will help.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1836 on: March 16, 2020, 06:12:40 pm »
You posted this part:  “Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves”
But you omitted this part:  “We will be backing you, but try getting it yourselves.  Point of sales, much better, much more direct if you can get it yourself.”

Here again is your statement.
Is this a bad response?

Brett McGurk retweeted this.

I do agee, this isn't the right answer.

You were repeating a tweet from a NYTimes reporter making the case that the heartless bastard Trump was telling States that they were SOL.  But that is not at all what Trump said.  You expressed your agreement that Trump's answer was not the right answer.  You accepted the words of a left-wing journalist without investigating to find out what Trump really said.

Most of us here can filter through this stuff pretty well. TomSea posts A LOT of information quickly so I can understand not having the complete story when posted every time. It is also our job is to fill in the blanks, which you in particular do a very good job of.

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« Reply #1837 on: March 16, 2020, 06:13:40 pm »
    Absolutely terrible @Lando Lincoln everyone seems on edge.

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« Reply #1838 on: March 16, 2020, 06:17:23 pm »
Since you brought that up........  how does it do when you thaw it out?  I remember that my Mom used to freeze milk, but I don't remember how it tasted after she got it out..

Milk freezes just fine, I used to do it it all the time.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1839 on: March 16, 2020, 06:19:20 pm »
No, it isn't, not in one bit. The president is not a God, it be Bush or whomever is president, there is nothing wrong with showing something that happened at a press conference.  I mean, what is ironic is you said you are cynical about the sickness in the other thread a short time ago.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394834.new.html#new

Now, we have this, one posts something by Brett McGurk who by the way, was not fired by Trump but resigned and now, posting something he commented on is out of bounds? Unbelievable.

Who said it was out of bounds?   Legitimate criticism is always ok.   It's the other stuff that some of us take issue with.   JS....
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1840 on: March 16, 2020, 06:26:34 pm »
Who said it was out of bounds?   Legitimate criticism is always ok.   It's the other stuff that some of us take issue with.   JS....

Methinks nerves are getting frayed....
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« Reply #1841 on: March 16, 2020, 06:30:22 pm »
You posted this part:  “Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves”
But you omitted this part:  “We will be backing you, but try getting it yourselves.  Point of sales, much better, much more direct if you can get it yourself.”

Here again is your statement.
Is this a bad response?

Brett McGurk retweeted this.

I do agee, this isn't the right answer.

You were repeating a tweet from a NYTimes reporter making the case that the heartless bastard Trump was telling States that they were SOL.  But that is not at all what Trump said.  You expressed your agreement that Trump's answer was not the right answer.  You accepted the words of a left-wing journalist without investigating to find out what Trump really said.

A journalist said the words "wow" and that's some great sin??

And you called her a leftwing journalist. I do read Brett McGurk's words, law clerk for William Rehnquist Bush appointee, worked for 3 administrations, maybe straight through.

So,  you are the one who is using a deceptive argument now.
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You posted this part:  “Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves”
But you omitted this part:  “We will be backing you, but try getting it yourselves.  Point of sales, much better, much more direct if you can get it yourself.”

Now, this has to be called a falsehood, I did not omit anything from the tweet, I was on the I-phone, maybe the NY Times article didn't get directly linked but that was contained in the tweet address. 

So, that was there.  That is false to put it mildly,  the tweet does not include that technically. You try to accuse others of being deceptive, your argument is being deceptive.

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This is reckless and insane. The most important job for a president is to protect the American people. Not encourage a free-for-all for precious life-saving resources. No planning to scale production, ensure resources are available in hardest hit areas? Unbelievable. #COVID19
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Wow.

“Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves,” Mr. Trump told the governors during the conference call. via @jmartNYT  https://nytimes.com/2020/03/16/world/coronavirus-news.html
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That's the full tweet. I do not see where it includes the "We will be backing you" bit.

But does the "we will be backing you" even matter? Does it change things substantially? What does that mean?  The articles say it took the governors back.

We use twitter here, perhaps if you object to it, you could start a petition for us to stop using it if you think there is something wrong with it.

And besides, this is cherry picking, I back Trump frequently daily here, for someone to push that idea. I didn't realize we were suppose to be close-minded to all.

Lastly, Julie Bosman, NY Times, "left NY Times reporter", another empty accusation.  I had maybe heard of her, are there some articles one can point to that have this left wing slant and by the way, more name calling.

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Oh, yeah, she covers the Midwest, really can let go of her left wing ideas.... any examples on what she has written for the times??

This is the editorial board that largely comes up with views. That doesn't mean every reporter is that way.

This took more time to straighten out then the time it takes to write a post.

Cusswords too, I'm done here, you don't have a point.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1842 on: March 16, 2020, 06:30:34 pm »
We go thru too much milk to have any to freeze, except for buttermilk.

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« Reply #1843 on: March 16, 2020, 06:36:03 pm »
Who said it was out of bounds?   Legitimate criticism is always ok.   It's the other stuff that some of us take issue with.   JS....
Well, it seems you are almost not even believing the coronavirus danger is real from some of what you were saying earlier, that would have one doubting the credibility of Ted Cruz who is still self-quarantining.  Of the President, so that is taking a counter position in itself to those I guess, we are suppose to follow blindly.

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« Reply #1844 on: March 16, 2020, 06:37:41 pm »
Methinks nerves are getting frayed....

To be expected, all things considered.
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« Reply #1845 on: March 16, 2020, 06:41:02 pm »
Well, it seems you are almost not even believing the coronavirus danger is real from some of what you were saying earlier, that would have one doubting the credibility of Ted Cruz who is still self-quarantining.  Of the President, so that is taking a counter position in itself to those I guess, we are suppose to follow blindly.

Methinks you are reading something that I didn't say into what I actually said.   The danger of infection is real.  It is highly contageous, as it was designed to be (a bio weapon).   But so far, the mortality rate here in the US does NOT warrant the hysteria we're seeing, hyped up by the idiot left media.

As for those that have been exposed to someone with the virus, they damned sure better self-quarantine.   It's just common sense (better safe than sorry).
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #1846 on: March 16, 2020, 06:45:04 pm »
It's been a depressing day, hasn't it?

But these kinds of depressing days have the potential to bring out the best in us.

If anything, we should be kinder to each other.  We're all in this together, and we need each other more than ever.
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« Reply #1847 on: March 16, 2020, 06:45:52 pm »
Methinks you are reading something that I didn't say into what I actually said.   The danger of infection is real.  It is highly contageous, as it was designed to be (a bio weapon).   But so far, the mortality rate here in the US does NOT warrant the hysteria we're seeing, hyped up by the idiot left media.

As for those that have been exposed to someone with the virus, they damned sure better self-quarantine.   It's just common sense (better safe than sorry).

Well, I don't have CNN or ABC or whatever on to judge the left-wing media.

But now, Cruz self-quarantining himself is just using common sense.

I wish you all would post the reachings of the left-wing media on this issue because we haven't really seen that here, we've seen articles that are portraying what's going on.

We don't want to have a nightmare like Italy, China or Iran. It may be so serious, we're being very optimistic if we think things change soon. It's scary.

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« Reply #1848 on: March 16, 2020, 06:49:06 pm »
I thought Ted Cruz had penned an editorial for the NY Times or Washington Post, rightfully called left-wing.. .often but it doesn't mean everything they publish is bad. I couldn't find what I thought Cruz wrote  for them but I did find an editorial written by Tom Cotton for the NY Times:

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More: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/26/opinion/politics/greenland-trump.html

Good luck in calling everyone who writes for the NY Times a lefty. Pretty shallow.

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« Reply #1849 on: March 16, 2020, 06:50:28 pm »
But these kinds of depressing days have the potential to bring out the best in us.

If anything, we should be kinder to each other.  We're all in this together, and we need each other more than ever.

For morale and moral support, especially.

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