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Re: Police respond to 'active threat' at church outside of Fort Worth, Texas
« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2019, 12:52:25 am »
Quote from: mountaineer on December 30, 2019, 12:32:07 am
This is what our church security team has been trained to observe:Star-Telegram

So they practice what the feds are forbidden to do and it saved lives..   Nice.
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Re: Police respond to 'active threat' at church outside of Fort Worth, Texas
« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2019, 12:54:55 am »
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"Places of worship are meant to be sacred, and I am grateful for the church members who acted quickly to take down the shooter and help prevent further loss of life," the governor said in a statement. "Cecilia and I ask all Texans to join us in praying for the White Settlement community and for all those affected by this horrible tragedy."

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Re: Police respond to 'active threat' at church outside of Fort Worth, Texas
« Reply #27 on: December 30, 2019, 12:55:07 am »
Quote from: The Ghost on December 30, 2019, 12:52:25 am
So they practice what the feds are forbidden to do and it saved lives..   Nice.
Definitely. We've been trained by a former cop who cautioned us to look out for any suspicious behavior or appearance. I guess that means we're profiling.  :shrug: Hey, if it saves lives.
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Re: Police respond to 'active threat' at church outside of Fort Worth, Texas
« Reply #28 on: December 30, 2019, 12:57:15 am »
Quote from: mountaineer on December 30, 2019, 12:55:07 am
Definitely. We've been trained by a former cop who cautioned us to look out for any suspicious behavior or appearance. I guess that means we're profiling.  :shrug: Hey, if it saves lives.

Yup.  Profiling saves lives.
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Re: Police respond to 'active threat' at church outside of Fort Worth, Texas
« Reply #29 on: December 30, 2019, 01:05:06 am »
Quote from: The Ghost on December 30, 2019, 12:57:15 am
Yup.  Profiling saves lives.
I do more than profiling.  Profiling just means observing.

I discriminate as there are certain types of people I choose not to be around.
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Re: Police respond to 'active threat' at church outside of Fort Worth, Texas
« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2019, 01:08:25 am »
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I discriminate as there are certain types of people I choose not to be around.

Agreed.  I do the same.   
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Re: Police respond to 'active threat' at church outside of Fort Worth, Texas
« Reply #31 on: December 30, 2019, 01:09:56 am »
Still not identifying him. Just this:
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... The FBI said Sunday evening that the gunman had been arrested in different jurisdicitions but declined to go into detail about any charges he’d faced. Although the man had roots in the area, it appears he may have been transient.   ...
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Re: Police respond to 'active threat' at church outside of Fort Worth, Texas
« Reply #32 on: December 30, 2019, 01:11:33 am »
Quote from: mountaineer on December 30, 2019, 01:09:56 am
Still not identifying him. Just this:Dallas News

Can you say...black muslum.
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Re: Police respond to 'active threat' at church outside of Fort Worth, Texas
« Reply #33 on: December 30, 2019, 01:23:12 am »
Quote from: mountaineer on December 30, 2019, 01:09:56 am
Still not identifying him. Just this:Dallas News
6 seconds is all it took to end the threat.

I wonder how long it would have taken the police to respond and how high the body count would have been if no one was armed?
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Re: Police respond to 'active threat' at church outside of Fort Worth, Texas
« Reply #34 on: December 30, 2019, 01:32:37 am »
Open carry saved the day in that church. Just think of the death toll if they didn't have armed security.
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Re: Police respond to 'active threat' at church outside of Fort Worth, Texas
« Reply #35 on: December 30, 2019, 01:35:26 am »
Quote from: Ducttape45 on December 30, 2019, 01:32:37 am
Open carry saved the day in that church. Just think of the death toll if they didn't have armed security.

Concealed Carry for the rest of us.
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Re: Police respond to 'active threat' at church outside of Fort Worth, Texas
« Reply #36 on: December 30, 2019, 01:56:21 am »
Quote from: Ducttape45 on December 30, 2019, 01:32:37 am
Open carry saved the day in that church. Just think of the death toll if they didn't have armed security.
I shudder to think how bad it could have been. 

The message is 'Try to harm me, and you will die' is what needs broadcasting to mitigate potential murderers.

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Re: Police respond to 'active threat' at church outside of Fort Worth, Texas
« Reply #37 on: December 30, 2019, 02:10:35 am »
Quote from: Ducttape45 on December 30, 2019, 01:32:37 am
Open carry saved the day in that church. Just think of the death toll if they didn't have armed security.

I did not read where the security members were Open Carrying.
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Re: Police respond to 'active threat' at church outside of Fort Worth, Texas
« Reply #38 on: December 30, 2019, 02:04:46 pm »
Daughter of deacon killed in Texas church shooting says she forgives gunman: report
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December 30, 2019 | 8:11am
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The daughter of a deacon gunned down during the Texas church shootout recalled her dad’s heartbreaking final moments — but said in a new interview that she forgives the gunman.

Anton “Tony” Wallace, 64, a deacon and lifelong member of West Freeway Church of Christ in White Settlement, a suburb of Fort Worth, was killed before his daughter’s eyes late Sunday morning.

Wallace’s daughter, Tiffany Wallace, told NBC DFW that her dad had just given out communion in the back of the church when a strange man walked up to him. ...
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To all the leftists complaining that the name of the town is White Settlement and that it's 80% white, implying the church members somehow deserved it, this is Tony ...

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Re: Police respond to 'active threat' at church outside of Fort Worth, Texas
« Reply #39 on: December 30, 2019, 03:15:58 pm »
A good friend of mine attended this church.  I can't even imagine the horror....

Great shooting though.

A guy that sits behind me in church is armed with a handgun in his ankle holster.  He used to be a marksman in the Army.  Here's hoping his eyesight is still good if he ever has to pull the trigger.
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Re: Police respond to 'active threat' at church outside of Fort Worth, Texas
« Reply #40 on: December 30, 2019, 03:25:09 pm »
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To all the leftists complaining that the name of the town is White Settlement and that it's 80% white, implying the church members somehow deserved it ...
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Well, I'm not a leftist, but my first thought on seeing the name of the town was that it must be very old (early 19th Century, if not 18th?), and probably originated with Indians.

Heh! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Settlement,_Texas :

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The name of "White Settlement" was originally bestowed upon the community by several Indigenous tribes in the area. The city got its name because it was the lone village of white pioneers amid several Native American encampments in the Fort Worth area in the Texas Republic territory in the 1840s.

I was close, just off on the time frame.
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Re: Police respond to 'active threat' at church outside of Fort Worth, Texas
« Reply #41 on: December 30, 2019, 04:16:10 pm »
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Re: Police respond to 'active threat' at church outside of Fort Worth, Texas
« Reply #42 on: December 30, 2019, 04:20:37 pm »
Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on December 30, 2019, 01:56:21 am
I shudder to think how bad it could have been. 

The message is 'Try to harm me, and you will die' is what needs broadcasting to mitigate potential murderers.

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Re: Police respond to 'active threat' at church outside of Fort Worth, Texas
« Reply #43 on: December 30, 2019, 04:46:36 pm »
Quote from: mrpotatohead on December 30, 2019, 03:15:58 pm
A good friend of mine attended this church.  I can't even imagine the horror....
Prayers for him and all of the members to deal with this awful experience and the loss of two of the brethern.
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A guy that sits behind me in church is armed with a handgun in his ankle holster.  He used to be a marksman in the Army.  Here's hoping his eyesight is still good if he ever has to pull the trigger.
It really is imperative that congregations form trained security teams. Ours has been trained by a former military/law enforcement guy, and we regularly hit the range to maintain our skills. Another training service is Sheepdog Church Security. They regularly email helpful information about church security.

I sit in the choir loft (with my 9mm) at the back of the sanctuary, probably a good vantage point if a bad guy walks down the center aisle toward the front of the church. Mr. M is situated in the back pew with his .38 revolver (I know, I can't get him to replace it with a semi-automatic). Most on our team carry 9mms. Some cover the first service; we're in the second, which has smaller attendance. We need more team members, but it's been strangely difficult to persuade some of our concealed carry folks to participate. Apparently, they think they already know everything.  **nononono*
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Re: Police respond to 'active threat' at church outside of Fort Worth, Texas
« Reply #44 on: December 30, 2019, 08:02:42 pm »
Quote from: mountaineer on December 30, 2019, 04:46:36 pm
Prayers for him and all of the members to deal with this awful experience and the loss of two of the brethern.It really is imperative that congregations form trained security teams. Ours has been trained by a former military/law enforcement guy, and we regularly hit the range to maintain our skills. Another training service is Sheepdog Church Security. They regularly email helpful information about church security.

I sit in the choir loft (with my 9mm) at the back of the sanctuary, probably a good vantage point if a bad guy walks down the center aisle toward the front of the church. Mr. M is situated in the back pew with his .38 revolver (I know, I can't get him to replace it with a semi-automatic). Most on our team carry 9mms. Some cover the first service; we're in the second, which has smaller attendance. We need more team members, but it's been strangely difficult to persuade some of our concealed carry folks to participate. Apparently, they think they already know everything.  **nononono*
Once more of this activity is broadcasted, those who wish harm will go for the easier pickings, e.g. - schools, theaters, etc. where it remains illegal to have armed protection by private citizens.
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Re: Police respond to 'active threat' at church outside of Fort Worth, Texas
« Reply #45 on: December 30, 2019, 08:20:31 pm »
More info coming out.   Just a mater of time before they have to talk about the Muzzie in the killer.

Accused Monsey stabber Grafton Thomas spewed anti-Semitic hate in journal: feds

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He had anti-Semitic hate in his heart and a violent attack on his mind.

Federal prosecutors revealed Monday that the maniac accused of stabbing five Jewish men in Monsey, N.Y., kept an anti-Semitic journal and googled “Why did Hitler hate the Jews” only two weeks before he burst into a Chanukah celebration with an 18-inch machete.

The new details about Grafton Thomas’s journal and internet search history contradicted claims by his family that he was not anti-Semitic but had long struggled with mental illness.

The journal, which investigators found at Thomas’s home in Greenwood Lake, included questions like “why ppl mourned for anti-Semitism when there is Semitic genocide” and references to “Adolf Hitler” and “Nazi culture” on the same page as drawings of a Star of David and swastika, prosecutors said.

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Re: Police respond to 'active threat' at church outside of Fort Worth, Texas
« Reply #46 on: December 30, 2019, 08:24:24 pm »
Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on December 30, 2019, 08:02:42 pm
Once more of this activity is broadcasted, those who wish harm will go for the easier pickings, e.g. - schools, theaters, etc. where it remains illegal to have armed protection by private citizens.




I fear what you say is true @IsailedawayfromFR . These are strange times we live in.

I really think that part of the reason our young people are so ridiculous is because they are scared. Don't know about you but when I was a kid I never even thought to be scared to go to school, church, the mall or the movies. About the time I start  to pull my hair out about how they act I remember that in addition to the stupidity of their age that they deal with more than I ever did at their age...and they are scared. So am I!
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Re: Police respond to 'active threat' at church outside of Fort Worth, Texas
« Reply #47 on: December 30, 2019, 08:27:01 pm »

The Second Amendment saved lives in Texas. It saves lives everywhere it’s unleashed

Once again we see it demonstrated in real life that the most effective response to a bad guy with a gun is a good guy — or multiple good guys — ready and willing to fire back. The sooner an armed attack is met with an armed response, the sooner the attack will be over.

Sunday morning in White Settlement, Texas, a Christian worship service was plunged into horror as a man armed with a shotgun walked into a church, walked up to someone serving communion, and fired before being shot by an armed churchgoer named Jack Wilson.

Some may try to explain away the facts of the matter by pointing out that the armed response came from volunteers on the church’s security team, and therefore this doesn’t fit in with the usual narrative of the “good guy with a gun.” Such arguments ignore the fact that, prior security arrangement or not, we’re still talking about church members responding with their own guns. He was a good guy, he had a gun, he used it to save lives............

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/second-amendment-saved-lives-texas-saves-lives-everywhere-unleashed/
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Re: Police respond to 'active threat' at church outside of Fort Worth, Texas
« Reply #48 on: December 30, 2019, 08:41:11 pm »
The shooter that killed the perp with one head shot, took 5 seconds to fire.

Not super fast but accurate, nobody else hit.

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« Reply #49 on: December 30, 2019, 08:50:13 pm »
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The shooter that killed the perp with one head shot, took 5 seconds to fire.

Not super fast but accurate, nobody else hit.

Thought it was 3 seconds.
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