The Evolution Fraud

[ChemEngrMBA]

http://TheEvolutionFraud.wordpress.com

If you have something intelligent to say, please do so.  But spare me your hateful pettiness. I've read and critiqued books by Richard Dawkins of Oxford and the best he could do was call me names, instead of address his numerous errors and nonsense.  Carl Sagan wrote me a letter after I critiqued several of his books and Carl asked me to buy his newest book.
I sold his letter on eBay for $125. 

[ChemEngrMBA]

"A book is proof that humans are capable of magic." - Carl Sagan

"My wonder button is being pushed all the time." - Carl Sagan

Now any time a person of faith expresses the wonders surrounding us as powerful, indeed incontrovertible evidence of our Creator is invariably snarked by the Godless Left (the counterpart to "the Religious Right," of course). "You're simply ignorant of science! That's the argument from incredulity, ha ha ha".

Was astronomer, professor, author Carl Sagan likewise ignorant of science? Of course not. He was one of them, a liberal agnostic, whose memorial service was ironically held at St. John the Divine Cathedral in New York City.

Carl never deviated from the Darwinian Paradigm, but he often expressed The Fallacy of the Argument From Incredulity, which the Darwin Camp utilizes with such sneering contempt, but only against people making the argument for Nature's God, our Creator. There may be many religions, but there is only one Creator of the Universe.

[bigheadfred]

bkmk

[Free Vulcan]

Most evolutionists justify their theory by saying creation is fairytale nonsense.

The reality is the theory of evolution as it is today sucks, is weak and full of illogical holes spackled over by wishful thinking and near religious like faith.

Which is kinda where I leave it. You believe yours, I'll believe mine, and don't try to sell snow to an eskimo.

[bigheadfred]

I believe it was Einstein that said something to the effect that as our knowledge grows, so does the circumference of the circle of darkness surrounding us. (correct me if I am wrong about the appellation).

As the "sciences" grow,  through genomic studies, archaeology, "climate science", and paleontology, (add any more) the circumference of Darwinianism shrinks.

My two cents.

[ChemEngrMBA]

I believe it was Einstein that said something to the effect that as our knowledge grows, so does the circumference of the circle of darkness surrounding us. (correct me if I am wrong about the appellation).

As the "sciences" grow,  through genomic studies, archaeology, "climate science", and paleontology, (add any more) the circumference of Darwinianism shrinks.

My two cents.

Fred, my Friend, that is far more valuable than a mere two cents.

http://TheEvolutionFraud.wordpress.com

[bigheadfred]

Fred, my Friend, that is far more valuable than a mere two cents.

http://TheEvolutionFraud.wordpress.com

I don't know if you have visited my "robot" thread", but I am adding this link to part two. I really need to get back to that. They don't have a category for "AI".

[ChemEngrMBA]

"The Fallacy of the Argument From Incredulity" Snark

“My wonder button is being pushed all the time.”  ― Carl Sagan   

Anyone of faith who points out the wonders surrounding us as powerful, indeed incontrovertible evidence of our Creator is invariably snarked by the Godless Left (the counterpart to "the Religious Right," of course).  "You're simply ignorant of science!  That's the argument from incredulity, ha ha ha".  This is a favorite of Richard Dawkins. 

Was astronomer, professor, author Carl Sagan likewise ignorant of science?  Of course not.  He was one of them, a liberal agnostic, whose memorial service was ironically held at St. John the Divine Cathedral in New York City.

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The Failure of Science Educators


Recent opinion polls show that 25-50% of adult Americans do not know that the Earth goes around the Sun and takes a year to do it.” - Carl Sagan, Carl Sagan's Universe, page 146

Public education is a socialist monopoly, a real one. - The Late Milton Friedman

"The education of all children from the moment they can get along without a mother's care, shall be in state institutions, at state expense." - Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto

November, 2017  A YouGov survey found that more millennials would rather live in a socialist (44%) or communist (7%) country than a capitalist one (42%).  America and our once cherished ideals are doomed.

“In 1950, we spent (in 1989 dollars) $1,333 per student. In 1989 we spent $4931. As John Silber, the President of Boston University, has written, ‘It is troubling that this nearly fourfold increase in real spending has brought no improvement. It is scandalous that it has not prevented substantial decline.’ ”  – William J. Bennett, former Secretary of Education, in The De-Valuing of America

[Hoodat]

The crucial piece missing from the Theory of Evolution is how the precursor for evolving came into existence.  Even Evolution needs a Creation.  It needs an explanation why Newton's Second Law can be ignored.  And it needs an explanation on how life came to exist in the first place.

Evolution and Creation are not mutually exclusive.  They can coexist.  Evolution being a slow process of change enacted over time by a Creator not bound by time.

The two biggest problems with Evolution are Darwinism and atheism.  Darwin proposed that all life today is derived from an original species.  He also said that fossil evidence uncovered over the next 15 decades would either prove or disprove this proposal.  If anything, the fossil evidence has disproved it.  The Cambrian explosion by itself suggests multiple creations in a short span instead of rapid evolutions along tens of thousands of different paths from limited precursors.  As for atheism, there has been a strong impetus to removing G-d from the equation since the death of Darwin.  Which is why a Creator has been completely cut out of any evolutionary discussion, turning this into some anti-religious crusade instead of exploring the wonders that this Creator provided.

[truth_seeker]

I see no contradiction, with biological evolutioon, and belief in a higher power, first cause.

Several religions use seimilar stories, to provide primitive explanations of origins, as they understood earth and living things at the time.

We continues to learn more with science of the details, of such things.

One subset is named "Epigenetics," for how an enviromnent, can change the DNA.

If you need to believe a Judeo/Christian God wouln't do that, fine. I will resppect that.

[Axeslinger]

Way back when, my Catholic high school biology teacher told us that he believed that God created the spark of life, and He has been guiding the evolution of that spark ever since.  The only question is what that initial spark looked like.  Made sense to me then, makes sense to me now.

[berdie]

Way back when, my Catholic high school biology teacher told us that he believed that God created the spark of life, and He has been guiding the evolution of that spark ever since.  The only question is what that initial spark looked like.  Made sense to me then, makes sense to me now.

There is no way that the miracle of the way our bodies work is by happenstance.

[ChemEngrMBA]

There is no way that the miracle of the way our bodies work is by happenstance.

That is the greatest understatement I have seen in this Briefing Room, Friend.

I have spoken at length to my tennis partner, an eye surgeon, a cardiologist, my opthamologists, and my family physician.
They understand better than most people the profound complexity of human physiology and not one of them buys Darwin's Magic Tautology.  Not one.

Titin is a protein in your muscles and mine.  It happens to be constructed of 34,350 amino acids in a unique sequence.
HOW was that unique sequence built the very first time, statistically 1/20 amino acids to the 34,350th power? 

That's just one of at least 5,000 proteins in the human body, about which Darwin knew nothing. 

"They survive because they're more fit and they're more fit because they survive" isn't science.  It's gibberish.

[Hoodat]

I heard it said that the probability of live evolving out of some primordial ooze under ideal conditions is lower than the probability of a tornado striking a junkyard of spare airplane parts and leaving a fully functional Boeing 747 in its wake.

[ChemEngrMBA]

I heard it said that the probability of live evolving out of some primordial ooze under ideal conditions is lower than the probability of a tornado striking a junkyard of spare airplane parts and leaving a fully functional Boeing 747 in its wake.

Brilliant analogy.  It is by a famed astrophysicist, Fred Hoyle. 

Did *nothing* make this wonderful universe, or did a Creator make this wonderful universe?
Choose which to embrace wisely. There will be a test.
The choice of *nothing* makes no sense.  It's unscientific. It has no empirical evidence at all.
The choice of our Creator is elegant as it is incomprehensible.  But then our Creator intends us to investigate our surroundings, not Him.  He is forever beyond our ken, so don't even try.  Can a dog study humans and learn all about us?

"My thoughts are not your thoughts and your ways are not my ways."

[Absalom]

Science has many Laws among them:
* Buoyancy / Archimedes
* Aerodynamics / Bernoulli
* Inertia and Motion / Newton
as well as Theories such as:
* Evolution / Darwin
* Relativity / Einstein
Wonder how many college profs know the distinction?????

[ChemEngrMBA]

Thought Experiment

We are all in a biology classroom, 300 or so of us.  The professor hands a combination lock to the nearest student and asks him to try three numbers in sequence to unlock it and then pass it on to the next student until everyone has had a chance.
The last student to get the lock opens it immediately.  The professor then repeats this process 20 consecutive times.  Each time is a repeat of the first.  There are 40 numbers so the probability of opening the combination lock on the first try is a huge 1 in 1600 because you simply turn the numbers to the right on the last pass while pulling the hasp and it will open when the third number drops in. 
But 1 in 1600 twenty consecutive times is 1/1600 to the 20th power.  That equals 1 chance in 10 to the 64th.

Every student in the classroom cries "Foul" !  You cheated and gave him the combinations.

"But" the professor counters, "every one of you believes that proteins synthesized themselves, and the number of possible combinations of each of the 5,000 or more proteins inside of you is vastly more than 10 to the 64th!"

"Well that's different," say the students. "The magic wand of selection made it all come together real nice and easy."

Welcome to *Modern* evolution.  If you don't understand (wink, nudge), you're just stupid.

[ChemEngrMBA]

http://TheEvolutionFraud.wordpress.com

This too is one of my eighty or ninety websites, assembled over the years.  Any scientific questions should be addressed to the DeerSlayer, a chemical engineer and other stuff, including friend of @Cyber Liberty - which is good......

[ChemEngrMBA]

Left-wing National Geographic just aired a program on hippos. No, not feminists, the real ones, in Africa.  Nat Geo said hippos are "the closest living relative to whales."

Which begs hundreds of Darwinian questions. 
How did they go from four legs to a long, powerful tail?
Where are their intermediates from hippo to whale?
How did the two nostrils move from above the hippo's lip to the top of the whale's head?
Where are the fossils of all the steps?

And if "survival of the fittest" means that the later "evolved" had selective advantage, why then are all of the previous animals, all the way back to bacteria and viruses, STILL LIVING? ! ! ! !

Darwin said they survived because they were fitter and they were fitter because they survived.
But everything survived, from humans back to viruses.  HELLO!

[roamer_1]

There is not a single evolutionary argument that does not start with 'Once upon a time...'

[EdinVA]

It is really interesting to study, discuss/debate the evolution, creationism and even the Ancient Alien theory but none solve world hunger or ensure peace.
In fact, this entire issue has caused more destruction, deaths and starvation that any other.
Sunni vs Shia muslims, catholic vs protestant, everyone against mormons, et al.
My concern is, where do we go from here?

[DB]

I remember Hawking explaining that it made sense, reenforced by his theories, that the universe sprung up from nothing. And because it made logical sense there was no need for God.

Nothing to everything is logic he says. Once that is "logical" anything is "logical". He jumped the shark...

[roamer_1]

I remember Hawking explaining that it made sense, reenforced by his theories, that the universe sprung up from nothing. And because it made logical sense there was no need for God.

Nothing to everything is logic he says. Once that is "logical" anything is "logical". He jumped the shark...

My primary argument is coding.  Information. How anyone that codes can look at DNA and not see proof of intelligent design is entirely beyond me. That is CODE. with a compiler. That does not happen by chance. Not to mention the logic inherent in the information it conveys. Just the code with a compiler, self replicating, self healing - truly a miraculous design.

[Free Vulcan]

My primary argument is coding.  Information. How anyone that codes can look at DNA and not see proof of intelligent design is entirely beyond me. That is CODE. with a compiler. That does not happen by chance. Not to mention the logic inherent in the information it conveys. Just the code with a compiler, self replicating, self healing - truly a miraculous design.

Probably one of the best ways I've ever heard it put.

And that code is designed to be replicated without error. Errors are almost always fatal or extremely debilitating.

The expression of those genes leads to entire organisms made up of a system of interdependent parts, making evolution difficult because it creates circular and contradictory 'chicken or egg' issues who's logistics are almost impossible to solve.

From many organisms come ecosystems, which are subject to alot of the same rules of interdependency and logistics, just on a greater scale.

At some point the odds of that by chance are greater than the sum of all the fundamental particles of the universe.

[roamer_1]

Probably one of the best ways I've ever heard it put.

And that code is designed to be replicated without error. Errors are almost always fatal or extremely debilitating.

Right. new information *as code* presents an insurmountable obstacle. Even self-healing 'new' code is governed by pre-defined parameters and constants. To suppose one could let a 2 year old thump away at a keyboard and produce by chance something that elegant, no matter the time frame is simply ridiculous. Not to mention that changes still have to be interpreted and compiled - Bothth of those units need to understand it too, and self-modify accordingly... Absolutely insane to propose that is by chance.

The expression of those genes leads to entire organisms made up of a system of interdependent parts, making evolution difficult because it creates circular and contradictory 'chicken or egg' issues who's logistics are almost impossible to solve.

From many organisms come ecosystems, which are subject to alot of the same rules of interdependency and logistics, just on a greater scale.

At some point the odds of that by chance are greater than the sum of all the fundamental particles of the universe.

And orders of magnitude beyond statistical absurdity.

 

[Bigun]

It all comes down to this, and you heard it here before;  "God's laws are immutable and do not change over time."

[Smokin Joe]

Too many forms which 'evolved' appear fully developed, with quantum leaps in complexity. The fossil record isn't perfect, it's a jigsaw puzzle with a lot of missing pieces, and the picture people fill in is likely wrong.
After a year of paleontology studies, I am an evolution skeptic, a heretic to the church of Darwin.
That said, go back a few steps, and tell me: Where did the atoms, the elements, the molecules all come from?

God was once approached by a scientist who said, “Listen God, we’ve decided we don’t need you anymore. These days we can clone people, transplant organs and do all sorts of things that used to be considered miraculous.”

God replied, “Don’t need me huh? How about we put your theory to the test. Why don’t we have a competition to see who can make a human being, say, a male human being.”

The scientist agrees, so God declares they should do it like he did in the good old days when he created Adam.

“Fine” says the scientist as he bends down to scoop up a handful of dirt.”

“Whoa!” says God, shaking his head in disapproval. “Not so fast. You get your own dirt.”

(Hat tip to

from r/Jokes

https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/b0faut/get_your_own_dirt/, who happened to have the joke all typed out.)

[ChemEngrMBA]

A world famous Rabbi said, "Believers have only one question to answer:  "Why does God allow bad things to happen?"  Atheists have to answer everything else.

[bigheadfred]

"Bad" is a relevant term.

Schrodinger's cat.

[Smokin Joe]

"Bad" is a relevant term.

Schrodinger's cat.

From adversity comes opportunity for triumph. With triumph, confidence, with confidence, strength.
With strength comes the ability to face adversity...

God knows what He is doing, even if we don't.

[bigheadfred]

From adversity comes opportunity for triumph. With triumph, confidence, with confidence, strength.
With strength comes the ability to face adversity...

God knows what He is doing, even if we don't.

Nice explanation for one word.

FAITH

[Smokin Joe]

Nice explanation for one word.

FAITH

[roamer_1]

Schrodinger's cat.

What a p.

 

[Sighlass]

The properties of water to me is amazing.... it expands when it freezes making it possible for water to still flow in winter and save fish life.... ice floats to the top, thus preventing rivers from permanently freezing in most climates. God couldn't of made it more special. 

[bigheadfred]

What a p.

 

Bond. James Bond.

Beyond the Fifth Dimension. Beyond the Sixth Sense. Beyond the Seventh Sign.

Thats right. Octapussy.

[bigheadfred]

The properties of water to me is amazing.... it expands when it freezes making it possible for water to still flow in winter and save fish life.... ice floats to the top, thus preventing rivers from permanently freezing in most climates. God couldn't of made it more special.

Something you should really take a deeper look in too. Heavy water. Very Seriously.

Water has many different properties. Not the least of which is Baptism. A woman's womb is "Water". The water of life.

Very serious considerations.

Peace out.

[roamer_1]

Bond. James Bond.

Beyond the Fifth Dimension. Beyond the Sixth Sense. Beyond the Seventh Sign.

Thats right. Octapussy.

LOL!

Farts and arses Fred. Farts and arses.

 

[bigheadfred]

LOL!

Farts and arses Fred. Farts and arses.

 

oh f**ck

I read that wrong. Arts and farces and thot I was on a re-evolution thread.

[Smokin Joe]

oh f**ck

I read that wrong. Arts and farces and thot I was on a re-evolution thread.

Why did I just get an image of a couple dancing amoebas singing "You say you want an evolution..."?

[bigheadfred]

Why did I just get an image of a couple dancing amoebas singing "You say you want an evolution..."?

My wfe.
swngng low

[bigheadfred]

Run

RUN @Smokin Joe

[Smokin Joe]

Run

RUN @Smokin Joe

Some troubles are best to be avoided...

[ChemEngrMBA]

The properties of water to me are amazing.... it expands when it freezes making it possible for water to still flow in winter and save fish life.... ice floats to the top, thus preventing rivers from permanently freezing in most climates. God couldn't have made it more special.

Wood, metal, and water are neatly combined in Winslow Homer's painting above. Mankind has journeyed from continent to continent for thousands of years across oceans using crafts such as this.

Wood is composed of polymers of hydrogen, carbon, and oxygen, three of the four most abundant elements in the universe.  Their percentages throughout the universe are hydrogen - 75%;  oxygen - .05%; carbon - .0081%.    Their respective weights in earth's crust, are  47% oxygen, .1% hydrogen and .02% carbon.

 "Scientia" is Latin for "truth," and is the root word for "science."

Interesting Thought Experiment

Suppose you took just over a tablespoon of water (1.22 tablespoons, actually), and put it into a glass.  If you could wave a magic wand over that water, increasing the size of every water molecule to just half an inch, what would be the volume of the water afterward?   Go big.  Go really, really, really big.

The Big Water would raise the ocean level about 1,300 feet worldwide.  This gives you a good idea as to how small atoms and molecules are.

Bendy Light

Water slows down light, and in the process, bends it.  If water did not slow down and bend light, everyone would be blind, as corneas and vitreous humors are largely water.  Eyesight is pretty cool. Water is just one reason, but an essential one. Water.  Wow. Brought to you by the Maker of trees, and metals.

The Triple Point

There is a temperature/pressure curve for water,  steam, and ice.  All of them can coexist in equilibrium indefinitely.  (.01 C and .06 atmospheres)   To me, this is hard to conceive but only mildly interesting compared to other incredible properties of water.   Some of the most important, most beneficial characteristics of water are:

1.  Transparency.  - Water is almost completely transparent to visible light.  Great for skin diving, or seeing your fish come up on the end of a fishing line.

2.  Colorlessness.  - Water isn't  just clear, it's also colorless, like glass.  You could not see without the transparency and refractive properties of water, which makes up about 99% of your vitreous humor.    If water did not transmit light perfectly, everyone would be blind.  Your eyes, by the way, can detect the smallest unit of energy known, a single photon of light.  Eyes see over a range of ~14 orders of magnitude in intensity.

3.  Profound recyclability - Useful as a tool (steam powered motors) or a refreshment, it can go from inside cells to inside clouds and oceans, and remain stable.

4.  Solvent - The most important and most abundant solvent on earth, it can dissolve rocks. 

5. Capacity to hold heat, or absorb it, is 33 times higher than gold.  This prodigious heat capacity of water is 80 times greater for freezing/melting it; 540  times greater for boiling/condensing it.  Wow!


(Aluminum, iron,and gold have temperature/heat slopes 5, 10, and 33 times as steep as the C-F line for liquid water.  Compare that to F-G.)

[Hoodat]

The Triple Point

There is a temperature/pressure curve for water,  steam, and ice.  All of them can coexist in equilibrium indefinitely.  (.01 C and .06 atmospheres)   To me, this is hard to conceive but only mildly interesting compared to other incredible properties of water.

Here is a phase chart for water (not to scale).



Below 0.006 atm, liquid water cannot exist.  In this range, water sublimes directly from solid to vapor with a rise in temperature.  CO₂ is already in that position at 1 atm.  At our atmospheric pressure here on earth, liquid CO₂ cannot exist.  In fact, CO₂ in liquid form requires over 5.1 atm of pressure.

[ChemEngrMBA]

Probably one of the best ways I've ever heard it put.

And that code is designed to be replicated without error. Errors are almost always fatal or extremely debilitating.

The expression of those genes leads to entire organisms made up of a system of interdependent parts, making evolution difficult because it creates circular and contradictory 'chicken or egg' issues who's logistics are almost impossible to solve.

From many organisms come ecosystems, which are subject to alot of the same rules of interdependency and logistics, just on a greater scale.

At some point the odds of that by chance are greater than the sum of all the fundamental particles of the universe.

After reading your comment, I reviewed what you were commenting ON.  Your REPLY included roamer1's original message which I could not see because I had him on Ignore.  After reading that post, I am revising my list and taking him off Ignore.  Brilliantly stated, @roamer_1
Thank you.

[roamer_1]

Brilliantly stated, @roamer_1
Thank you.

 

[Hoodat]

Putting Roamer_1 on 'ignore' would be like taking a double-dose of thorazine right before an organic chemistry final.

[roamer_1]

Putting Roamer_1 on 'ignore' would be like taking a double-dose of thorazine right before an organic chemistry final.

ROTFLMAO!!

You're a peach @Hoodat !   
Same for you btw. 

[ChemEngrMBA]

Here is a phase chart for water (not to scale).

Here's somebody with a chemistry background. @Hoodat.

Heat capacity, immense utility, profound worldwide availability, recyclability, easy purifiability, and on and on.  Water is at once simple and amazing, I tell ya.  But the steam, look out for the steam. You think hot water is hot, steam is that times 540.

But here's a doozy.  In my first chemistry class in high school, I wondered how water could freeze at 32 degrees while ice melts at 32 degrees.  ?  After years of contemplation, I now know that my original high school instincts were correct!  It can't.  If you put a kilogram of water at 32F and a kilogram of ice at 32F in a perfectly insulated container at standard pressure and exactly 32F, the water cannot freeze simultaneously while the ice melts (corrected).  That would contradict the implication of the Triple Point, would it not?  Equilibrium of phase.   So water freezes at something colder than 32 and ice melts at something warmer than 32.  Try and get out of that one.  Doesn't have to be much, but it has to be somethin', otherwise throw away this elegant phase diagram.

[Smokin Joe]

Here's somebody with a chemistry background. @Hoodat.

Heat capacity, immense utility, profound worldwide availability, recyclability, easy purifiability, and on and on.  Water is at once simple and amazing, I tell ya.  But the steam, look out for the steam. You think hot water is hot, steam is that times 540.

But here's a doozy.  In my first chemistry class in high school, I wondered how water could freeze at 32 degrees while ice melts at 32 degrees.  ?  After years of contemplation, I now know that my original high school instincts were correct!  It can't.  If you put a kilogram of water at 32F and a kilogram of ice at 32F in a perfectly insulated container at standard pressure and exactly 32F, the water won't freeze while the ice melts.  That would contradict the implication of the Triple Point, would it not?  Equilibrium of phase.   So water freezes at something colder than 32 and ice melts at something warmer than 32.  Try and get out of that one.  Doesn't have to be much, but it has to be somethin', otherwise throw away this elegant phase diagram.

Did you allow for latent heat release with the phase change? For water to freeze, it releases heat. It's a  losing battle for the ice.