Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislature

[Elderberry]

American Military News by Ryan Morgan  November 26, 2019

Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislature

Virginia lawmakers are now considering a state law banning the ownership of certain semi-automatic guns deemed “assault firearms” and limiting the magazine capacity of other firearms in the state — and there are no clauses that would allow existing owners to continue possessing them.

Virginia state Sen. Richard Saslaw introduced SB16, which would expand the definition of an “assault firearm” to cover many different semi-automatic rifles and pistols. The bill would call for the ban of such firearms, barring people from purchasing, possessing, selling or transferring those weapons.

Among the changes in firearm definitions, the bill would expand the term “assault firearm” to include semi-automatic centerfire rifles and pistols with a fixed magazine capacity greater than 10 rounds. The bill would also ban semi-automatic rifles and pistols with detachable magazines that also have folding and telescoping stocks, barrel shrouds, and thumbhole grips and second hand grips.

Rifles, under the new bill, would not be allowed pistol grips, bayonet mounts, grenade or flare launchers, silencers, muzzle breaks and flash suppressors.

More: https://americanmilitarynews.com/2019/11/sweeping-va-gun-ban-likely-confiscation-without-grandfather-clause-proposed-by-state-legislature/

[mountaineer]

Virginia proposes bill that outlaws minors using guns to fend off home invaders
Posted by Gregory Hoyt
 Nov 27, 2019

...   While legislators seek to enforce more tight and universal background checks and other gun control laws while within office, as usual, they have given attention to age restrictions on access to firearms.

One such bill is SB 18 Firearms; which includes language associated with criminal history record information checks, and most importantly age requirements with regard to handling firearms.   ...

Under this bill, it will be a class 1 misdemeanor to allow a child to use firearms, unless “under parental supervision.”

Essentially what this bill means is that in the event your child is in danger, regardless of their age and knowledge of handling firearms properly, any criminal who has the intent to do them harm can do so and they’ll be left helpless from a legal standpoint. ...

Full story at Law Enforcement Today

[Smokin Joe]

Eff the State, and protect your kids! If that means leaving a responsible and trained child access to a self defense firearm, so be it.

Our long guns were never locked up when we were kids. We knew that if we wanted to go shooting, we were to ask my father.
We didn't tough them otherwise, as we had no self-defense situations arise.
Had we done so, we knew that the penalty would have been stiff, that we would be denied shooting privileges or even hunting.

We also, as we grew older, knew where the pistols were kept, but likewise, didn't mess with them.

I often think gun control laws are a result of projection by whiny liberals who don't trust themselves or their get with a deadly weapon, while the remainder are a misguided attempt to keep criminals from harming them (so they won't need a weapon to defend themselves), which are rife with unintended consequences.

[mountaineer]

Virginia to OUTLAW Krav Maga, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, kickboxing, Tai Chi, firearms instruction and self-defense training under proposed law SB64
Mike Adams -
November 29, 2019

The State of Virginia, now entirely run by truly insane Democrats who support infanticide and child murder, is proposing a new 2020 law known as SB64 (see link here) which will be taken up by the Democrat-run Senate beginning January 8, 2020.

The law would instantly transform all martial arts instructors into criminal felons. This includes instructors who teach kickboxing, BJJ, Krav Maga, boxing and even Capoeira.

It would also criminalize all firearms training classes, including concealed carry classes. ...

More

[sneakypete]

Virginia to OUTLAW Krav Maga, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, kickboxing, Tai Chi, firearms instruction and self-defense training under proposed law SB64
Mike Adams -
November 29, 2019 More

@mountaineer

Here is an excellent idea for a new bumper sticker for someone that wants to make a few bucks.

"Virginia,the East Coast California!"

[skeeter]

@mountaineer

Here is an excellent idea for a new bumper sticker for someone that wants to make a few bucks.

"Virginia,the East Coast California!"

Nope. Our local leftist lunatics haven't even gone this far yet.

[sneakypete]

Nope. Our local leftist lunatics haven't even gone this far yet.

@skeeter

The key word is "yet". Northern Virginia now dominates the state,and they are only going to go further left with every day that passes.

[Smokin Joe]

So, are they going to close the Farm? Quantico?

The law doesn't state which side of the civil disorder the skills would be used on. just that they would be used in civil disorder.

[mystery-ak]

 Gun Confiscation Comes to Virginia
See what happens when a formerly great red state turns very blue?
by Jed Babbin
December 2, 2019, 12:05 AM

Next year, Democrats will control both houses of Virginia’s state Legislature as well as its governorship. On November 18, State Sen. Dick Saslaw introduced a bill that he will sponsor in the 2020 legislative session. That bill will outlaw not only the sale or transfer but also the possession of certain firearms.

Saslaw’s bill — SB 16 — provides that “It is unlawful for any person to import, sell, manufacture, purchase, possess or transport an assault firearm” and makes such actions a Class 6 felony. (In Virginia, Class 6 felonies are punishable by imprisonment for between one and five years.)

SB 16 provides that a wide range of center-fire rifles, pistols, and shotguns are included in the definition of to-be illegal firearms:

    1. A semi-automatic center-fire rifle that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material with a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 10 rounds;

    2. A semi-automatic center-fire rifle that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the rifle; (iii) a thumbhole stock; (iv) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (v) a bayonet mount; (vi) a grenade launcher; (vii) a flare launcher; (viii) a silencer; (ix) a flash suppressor; (x) a muzzle brake; (xi) a muzzle compensator; (xii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting (a) a silencer, (b) a flash suppressor, (c) a muzzle brake, or (d) a muzzle compensator; or (xiii) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (xii);

    3. A semi-automatic center-fire pistol that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material with a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 10 rounds;

    4. A semi-automatic center-fire pistol that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a thumbhole stock; (iii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iv) the capacity to accept a magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; (v) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the pistol with the non-trigger hand without being burned; (vi) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; (vii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting (a) a silencer, (b) a flash suppressor, (c) a barrel extender, or (d) a forward handgrip; or (viii) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (vii);

    5. A shotgun with a revolving cylinder that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material; or

    6. A semi-automatic shotgun that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material that has one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a thumbhole stock, (iii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the shotgun, (iv) the ability to accept a detachable magazine, (v) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of seven rounds, or (vi) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (v).

more
https://spectator.org/gun-confiscation-comes-to-virginia/

[Smokin Joe]

Well, that's a state I won't live in again, unless this crap is repealed.

A semi-automatic center-fire rifle that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the rifle; (iii) a thumbhole stock; (iv) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand

Fore grip,anyone? You're supposed to shoot the rifle one-handed?

(Never mind the technicality that smokeless powders are propellants, not explosives).

[Fishrrman]

Who would have ever thought that a key southern state would turn so corkscrew crazy ???

[240B]

Who would have ever thought that a key southern state would turn so corkscrew crazy ???

Virginia hasn't been a 'southern State' in years. It has morphed into a suburb of D.C.

[Smokin Joe]

Virginia hasn't been a 'southern State' in years. It has morphed into a suburb of D.C.

Northern Va has been a whole different place from the rest of the State for 40 years. Unfortunately, people from elsewhere dominate the politics there.

[Smokin Joe]

Solid propellants like black and smokeless powders are low-order explosives.

Yeah, the government can define a gun stock as a machine gun, too.
Doesn't make it so.

[skeeter]

Northern Va has been a whole different place from the rest of the State for 40 years. Unfortunately, people from elsewhere dominate the politics there.

It's just a smaller version of California now.

[Smokin Joe]

Single base smokeless powder is primarily nitrocellulose, an explosive. Double-base gunpowder is 40 percent nitroglycerin and 60 percent nitrocellulose.

Say again how smokeless powder is Not an Explosive?

C4 and black powder ARE explosives.

What's the source? What smokeless powders were used? Etc. I have a snippet out of context and that doesn't mean anything to me.

[Hoodat]

It would also criminalize all firearms training classes .  .  .

As a kid growing up in Virginia, I learned firearm safety from an NRA Hunter Safety Course taught during Kiwanis Summer Camp.

[Smokin Joe]

Black powder is a low explosive. It deflagrates. It does not detonate. I have only ever found one report of a test where they were successful, one time,  of achieving a high order detonation of black powder.  Smokeless powder deflagrates when used as a propellant, but it Can be caused to go high order and detonate.

This was just the first hit I came across doing a google search: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262559143_Detonation_velocities_of_single_and_double_base_propellants

I discovered double base powders were easily detonatable some 40 yrs ago.

In the application in question, being used to propel a bullet out of a barrel, smokeless powders are a propellant.
If they detonate, that's a problem. That was and remains my point.
I vaguely recall some issues with undercapacity reloads which experienced detonation, years ago.
But for the application in question, the point is, that smokeless powders deflagrate, they don't detonate.

[Axeslinger]

Well, that's a state I won't live in again, unless this crap is repealed.
Fore grip,anyone? You're supposed to shoot the rifle one-handed?

(Never mind the technicality that smokeless powders are propellants, not explosives).

Like many states, Virginia as a state is corrupted by the urban areas.   NorthernVirginia, Richmond and the large black population in the Norfolk area are the problem.   The western 2/3s of the state are solid conservative.  In fact there are several counties in western VA, that have already declared themselves 2A sanctuaries.   

Here is a link to one county sheriff’s  Facebook page and his letter to the county:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2725943877492508&id=151261931627395&_ft_=mf_story_key.2725943877492508%3Atop_level_post_id.2725943877492508%3Atl_objid.2725943877492508%3Acontent_owner_id_new.151261931627395%3Athrowback_story_fbid.2725943877492508%3Apage_id.151261931627395%3Aphoto_id.2725942330825996%3Astory_location.4%3Astory_attachment_style.photo%3Apage_insights.%7B%22151261931627395%22%3A%7B%22page_id%22%3A151261931627395%2C%22actor_id%22%3A151261931627395%2C%22dm%22%3A%7B%22isShare%22%3A0%2C%22originalPostOwnerID%22%3A0%7D%2C%22psn%22%3A%22EntStatusCreationStory%22%2C%22post_context%22%3A%7B%22object_fbtype%22%3A266%2C%22publish_time%22%3A1574694889%2C%22story_name%22%3A%22EntStatusCreationStory%22%2C%22story_fbid%22%3A%5B2725943877492508%5D%7D%2C%22role%22%3A1%2C%22sl%22%3A4%2C%22targets%22%3A%5B%7B%22actor_id%22%3A151261931627395%2C%22page_id%22%3A151261931627395%2C%22post_id%22%3A2725943877492508%2C%22role%22%3A1%2C%22share_id%22%3A0%7D%5D%7D%7D&__tn__=%2As%2As-R

It passed unanimously.

[Smokin Joe]

So do you now agree that smokeless powders are explosives? If they can detonate they fit the definition of an explosive, right?

C4 is an explosive that can be lit and used to cook your dinner with and not explode. But it still is an explosive.

You admitted that black powder is an explosive, but it does not detonate. It only deflagrates(burns very fast), very similar to smokeless powder when used as a propellant and not as a high order explosive.

Whoa, there.

You're changing horses here. Black Powder is a low order explosive. That isn't saying it can't be used as a propellant, because it has been. It becomes a question of application.
Can smokeless powders be used to cause an explosion? Yes. A bit of plumbing material, and the pressures will build to the point you get catastrophic failure of the containment vessel. A lot depends on the flame front geometry and pressure spikes, which is why low powder charges in large cartridge cases are believed to have been a problem.
But by the same token, a hot water heater with a faulty shutoff and plugged relief valve can take a house apart, too.

In firearms, the application is that of propellant. An explosion is not a desired effect.
Sure, you can warm your Ham and MFers over a bit of C-4, too, but the desired effect, what it was made to do is something other than stove fuel.

But like I said, if the legislature writes that cattle shall henceforth be "ducks", then for lawyers, it's ducks they are.
This would be far from the first time that technical definitions were steamrolled by legislative BS.

[Hoodat]

In fact there are several counties in western VA, that have already declared themselves 2A sanctuaries.

@Axeslinger

[sneakypete]

@Axeslinger

@Hoodat

Yes,but can they get away with that according to Va law?

[Hoodat]

@Hoodat

Yes,but can they get away with that according to Va law?

That will depend on the Virginia Supreme Court.  In Nunn v. Georgia, the Georgia Supreme Court ruled that a state ban on firearms was a violation of the Second Amendment to the US Constitution.  The Virginia Supreme Court could do the same.

[sneakypete]

That will depend on the Virginia Supreme Court.  In Nunn v. Georgia, the Georgia Supreme Court ruled that a state ban on firearms was a violation of the Second Amendment to the US Constitution.  The Virginia Supreme Court could do the same.

@Hoodat

Are you aware of any indications on how they would vote?

[Hoodat]

@Hoodat

Are you aware of any indications on how they would vote?

The court is pretty evenly split:

Chaffin - the sister of a GOP legislator

Mims - Former GOP Attorney General

McCullough - Served under GOP AGs Mims and Cuccinelli

Kelsey - Appointed as appellate judge by Democrat Mark Warner

Powell - Appointed as appellate judge by Democrat Tim Kaine

Goodwyn - Vacancy appointment to Supreme Court by Democrat Tim Kaine

Lemons - Appointed Circuit Court judge by Republican George Allen.  Recommended for US 4th District court position by Senators Webb-D and Warner-R.

Supreme court justices are appointed by the Legislature and serve 12-year terms.

[Smokin Joe]

Yes, the propellant in a firearm deflagrates and does not detonate. Just remember that the ignition of the gunpowder is by the explosion of the high explosive material in the primer.
The primer ignites the powder, as a result of contact and compression between the primer cup and anvil.
How uniformly that ignition occurs determines whether the powder burns evenly or there is a spike in pressure above what would normally b obtained, which is why not having too little powder in a large case is important. Colliding flame fronts lead to pressure spikes, at least according to some sources, and that damages firearms.
Smokeless powder does not require any confinement to detonate. It only requires a sufficient primary impulse.

You can say the same about almost anything that burns. Gasoline, wood smoke ("backdraft", to firemen), even well dispersed flour in the air. All have eliminated buildings.

[Axeslinger]

Well you two have successfully managed to derail this thread again

[Hoodat]

Contestant:  I'll take "Things Hitler did after he became Chancellor" for $200, Alex.

Alex Trebek:  Virginia enacted legislation to do this after Democrats took control.

Contestant:  What is ban guns.

Alex Trebek:  Correct.

[Hoodat]

What to expect at tomorrow's Augusta County Second Amendment sanctuary meeting

Claire Mitzel, Staunton News Leader  03 Dec 2019

STUARTS DRAFT —  Hundreds are expected to pack the Stuarts Draft High School auditorium Wednesday evening for a special Board of Supervisors meeting to discuss a potential Second Amendment sanctuary county resolution.

Ahead of the meeting, The News Leader has compiled information about what to expect. We will also be live tweeting and updating a story throughout the evening.
When and where is the meeting?

The Board of Supervisors' special meeting will be held at 6 p.m. Wednesday at the Stuarts Draft High School auditorium. Doors open at 5:30 p.m.

Can I speak?

Anyone wishing to speak can sign up ahead of time using an online form. Speakers can also sign up at the meeting before it starts. People unable to attend but who wish to share comments with the board can submit them using the same form above.

Speakers are limited to three minutes, according to a county news release. The county also encourages people to be concise.

Can I bring a gun inside?

Augusta County Public Schools Deputy Superintendent Doug Shifflett directed a reporter to the School Board Policy Manual regarding weapons in schools, which references the Code of Virginia.

"Carrying, bringing, using or possessing any firearm, dangerous device or weapon in any school building, on school grounds, in any school vehicle or at any school sponsored activity is prohibited," the policy states. "This prohibition applies to private vehicles parked on school property with or without permission."   .   .   .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/what-to-expect-at-tomorrows-augusta-county-second-amendment-sanctuary-meeting/ar-BBXItw8

[mountaineer]

'We Need To Send a Message': Virginia Sheriffs Sound Off As Counties Become Second Amendment Sanctuaries
Julio Rosas
Posted: Dec 04, 2019 1:25 PM

As Democratic Virginia state legislators are considering a host of new gun control bills as they will have majorities in the statehouse, some sheriffs are voicing their support for the counties that are declaring themselves as Second Amendment sanctuaries.

"I am in favor of the Second Amendment Sanctuary. I believe we need to send a message to Richmond that our citizens will take a stance. My deputies and I take an oath to uphold the Constitution and that’s what we will do," Rappahannock County Sheriff Connie Compton told Townhall.

It should come as no surprise that the more rural counties and cities in the commonwealth are having an easier time passing Second Amendment sanctuary resolutions. Having law enforcement backing to those resolutions is critical for them to any kind of effect.

Over 30 counties have declared themselves as Second Amendment sanctuaries so far, with many others planing on holding meetings to discuss such resolutions. ...  More at Townhall

[Hoodat]

Roanoke County is on board.  That is huge.  Madison County has been joined by neighbors Page, Rappahannock, Orange, and Culpepper.  Augusta County has a hearing tonight.  Rockingham County next Wednesday.  City of Norton seems to be the first city to adopt.  Cities of Bristol, Martinsville, Covington, Colonial Heights, Waynesboro, and Winchester are moving forward.

[sneakypete]

Roanoke County is on board.  That is huge.  Madison County has been joined by neighbors Page, Rappahannock, Orange, and Culpepper.  Augusta County has a hearing tonight.  Rockingham County next Wednesday.  City of Norton seems to be the first city to adopt.  Cities of Bristol, Martinsville, Covington, Colonial Heights, Waynesboro, and Winchester are moving forward.

@Hoodat

Not all of us knows Virginia politics. Does that mean the confiscation law will pass?

[Hoodat]

The confiscation law will most likely pass because the Democrats hold a majority in both houses, and Democrats do whatever their leadership tells them to do.  It won't be the first time that Democrats passed an unconstitutional law in the Commonwealth of Virginia.  (See:  Jim Crow)

[sneakypete]

The confiscation law will most likely pass because the Democrats hold a majority in both houses, and Democrats do whatever their leadership tells them to do.  It won't be the first time that Democrats passed an unconstitutional law in the Commonwealth of Virginia.  (See:  Jim Crow)

@Hoodat

Thanks.

[Hoodat]

Hearing set to begin as Augusta County considers becoming a '2nd Amendment sanctuary'

WHSV     |     Chelsea Church     |     Dec 04, 2019

AUGUSTA COUNTY, Va. (WHSV) — A day after the Page County Board of Supervisors cast a unanimous vote to become the latest 'Second Amendment sanctuary' in Virginia, Augusta County is holding a hearing on a proposal to do the same.

The meeting began at 6 p.m. at Stuarts Draft High School to allow for what the county knew would be a packed crowd.

As of 5:50 p.m., a line of people was wrapped around the school building as people waited to get inside, with dozens scheduled to speak.



By 6:50 p.m., after a number of people had spoken, with boos from the crowd following the two people who spoke against the proposal, the Augusta County sheriff confirmed that at least 1,500 people showed up for the hearing.

Similar meetings of other Virginia county boards have broken attendance records, bringing hundreds of people out to their Board of Supervisors meetings.

Page County joined at least 40 other counties and cities across Virginia that have now adopted resolutions declaring themselves 'Second Amendment sanctuaries.'

The movement, which is a conservative spin on 'sanctuary cities,' which vowed not to work with ICE to deport undocumented immigrants, began shortly after the election earlier this month in which Democrats won full control of the General Assembly for the first time in decades.

Many people in areas that voted along conservative lines believe that their constitutional rights may be threatened under a Democratic-controlled legislature.  .  .  .

https://www.whsv.com/content/news/Hearing-set-to-begin-as-Augusta-County-considers-becoming-a-2nd-Amendment-sanctuary-565802181.html


Area-wise, Augusta is the largest county in Virginia.  Except for Staunton, it is solid Conservative territory.

[Hoodat]

Board declares Augusta County a Second Amendment sanctuary

Chelsea Church     |     Posted: Wed 5:47 PM, Dec 04, 2019     |     Updated: Wed 9:03 PM, Dec 04, 2019

AUGUSTA COUNTY, Va. (WHSV) — A day after the Page County Board of Supervisors cast a unanimous vote to become the latest Second Amendment sanctuary in Virginia, Augusta County voted on Wednesday night to do the same.

In front of a large crowd, the supervisors voted to declare Augusta County a Second Amendment sanctuary.

https://www.whsv.com/content/news/Hearing-set-to-begin-as-Augusta-County-considers-becoming-a-2nd-Amendment-sanctuary-565802181.html

[sneakypete]

Board declares Augusta County a Second Amendment sanctuary

Chelsea Church     |     Posted: Wed 5:47 PM, Dec 04, 2019     |     Updated: Wed 9:03 PM, Dec 04, 2019

AUGUSTA COUNTY, Va. (WHSV) — A day after the Page County Board of Supervisors cast a unanimous vote to become the latest Second Amendment sanctuary in Virginia, Augusta County voted on Wednesday night to do the same.

In front of a large crowd, the supervisors voted to declare Augusta County a Second Amendment sanctuary.

https://www.whsv.com/content/news/Hearing-set-to-begin-as-Augusta-County-considers-becoming-a-2nd-Amendment-sanctuary-565802181.html

@Hoodat

Good to hear! I hope they get away with it.

[mountaineer]

Overflow Crowd Turns Out in Blue County to Support Second Amendment      
Stephen Gutowski
 December 5, 2019 5:00 AM

An overflow crowd of gun-rights supporters turned out on Tuesday evening to the Democratic-controlled Fairfax County Board of Supervisors meeting to push the locality to declare it would not help enforce unconstitutional gun laws.

The crowd exceeded the auditorium's 350-person seating capacity, and a few dozen people wearing "Guns Save Lives" stickers were left lining the walls. The vast majority came to support residents who requested that the northern Virginia county become a Second Amendment sanctuary, meaning it will refuse to enforce gun laws they consider unconstitutional. After sitting quietly through two hours of discussion about baseball-field lighting, the crowd erupted at the end of each pro-gun speech during the public-comment period.  ... More at Free Beacon

[sneakypete]

Overflow Crowd Turns Out in Blue County to Support Second Amendment      
Stephen Gutowski
 December 5, 2019 5:00 AM

  An overflow crowd of gun-rights supporters turned out on Tuesday evening to the Democratic-controlled Fairfax County Board of Supervisors meeting to push the locality to declare it would not help enforce unconstitutional gun laws.

@mountaineer

It doesn't matter if there were a million of them. From what I have heard of Fairfax County it might as well be NYC,and the board is not obligated by law to follow the wishes of the voters.

[Smokin Joe]

@mountaineer

It doesn't matter if there were a million of them. From what I have heard of Fairfax County it might as well be NYC,and the board is not obligated by law to follow the wishes of the voters.

Tar, feathers, fence rails....our ancestors would never have put up with this sh*t.

[Axeslinger]

Tar, feathers, fence rails....our ancestors would never have put up with this sh*t.

@Smokin Joe
As I’ve said here before:

Eventually, the sleeping giant is going to awaken and once that happens, folks are not gonna want to be standing down range.

I’ve also thought for a long time that a little tarring feathering would go a long ways towards recalibrating  these pukes who think they are our betters.
(And no, Mr. Govt Troll reading this comment..that was not a threat...just an observation.)

[Smokin Joe]

@Smokin Joe
As I’ve said here before:

Eventually, the sleeping giant is going to awaken and once that happens, folks are not gonna want to be standing down range.

I’ve also thought for a long time that a little tarring feathering would go a long ways towards recalibrating  these pukes who think they are our betters.
(And no, Mr. Govt Troll reading this comment..that was not a threat...just an observation.)

It's a pretty sad day when we can't speak our minds without disclaimers.
Not to go all Freudian, but why is it that the nastiest functionaries all seem to be those who had issues in their youth (and never shook that).

[Hoodat]

Since yesterday, Scott County, Augusta County, and Virginia Beach have been added.

[sneakypete]

Tar, feathers, fence rails....our ancestors would never have put up with this sh*t.

@Smokin Joe

True,but it ain't our ancestors that are living in,and controlling Virginia. It is Communist apparatchiks from NY,NJ,Mass,and Delaware.

[Hoodat]

Virginia city rejects 'Second Amendment Sanctuary' status

By - Associated Press - Wednesday, December 4, 2019

ROANOKE, Va. — Officials of a Virginia city have rebuffed pleas by gun advocates asking it to declare the city a so-called “Second Amendment Sanctuary.”

Roanoke Mayor Sherman Lea on Monday announced at a packed city council meeting that he sees no benefit in validating what the U.S. Constitution already guarantees. The declaration to a room mostly filled with people wearing stickers claiming “guns save lives” was met with shouted comments, most audible was “We will not comply.”

Gun advocates across Virginia have pushed localities to declare themselves gun rights sanctuaries after November’s elections put Democrats in control of the Statehouse, news outlets reported. More than two dozen counties have passed such resolutions, including Roanoke County.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/4/roanoke-virginia-rejects-second-amendment-sanctuar/


Roanoke Mayor Sherman Lea must feel secure in his re-election chances.  Can't wait to hear his response when the Commonwealth asks for his cooperation in confiscating firearms from his own city residents.

[Hoodat]

Rockbridge County council to vote on Dec 9.

[Elderberry]

Background Checks for Family Members?! Bloomberg-Bought Virginia Legislature Seeks to Ban Private Firearms Transfers

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20191206/background-checks-for-family-members-bloomberg-bought-virginia-legislature-seeks-to-ban-private-firearms-transfers

Michael Bloomberg’s bought-and-paid-for new Virginia majorities have wasted no time introducing an extremist bill that would make the Commonwealth one of the most hostile states for law-abiding gun owners.

House Bill 2, introduced by Delegate Kenneth R. Plum (D-36), would criminalize almost all private transfers of firearms. Not merely restricted to doing so for sales, Virginians would be required to seek government permission to gift, trade, and even temporarily lend firearms to close friends and extended family. The legislation states that:

“[n]o person shall sell, rent, trade, or transfer a firearm” without first subjecting the transferee to a state police background check to be conducted at a licensed firearms dealer.

Under this extreme legislation, even lending a brother your rifle for a deer hunt or letting your daughter borrow a handgun for self-defense could land otherwise law-abiding Virginians with a felony conviction and up to 5 years in jail. Additionally, the recipient could face up to a full year of incarceration.

[mystery-ak]

Dozens of Virginia counties declare themselves 'Second Amendment sanctuaries' after Democrats win state legislature

Dozens of counties in Virginia have declared themselves "Second Amendment sanctuaries” in recent weeks after Democrats won control of the state legislature last month.

CNN reports that Surrey and Craig counties were among the latest to pass resolutions this week in support of Second Amendment rights, joining more than 40 other counties across the state.

The resolutions are not legally binding, CNN noted, and instead serve as declarations of support for citizens to exercise their right to carry weapons.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/473503-dozens-of-virginia-counties-declare-themselves-second-amendment

[Smokin Joe]

I understnd the need to declare a 'sanctuary' to defy law, BOT THE LAW OF THE LAND IS THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS.

If the laws of the Commonwealth of Virginia can be construed so narrowly as to diminish that fundamental, enumerated Civil Right to the degree that it can only be so narrowly practiced that for all practical purposes it would not exist, then the Right to free speech could be confined to the use of contractions and gerunds, with nouns and verbs forbidden.

[sneakypete]

If the laws of the Commonwealth of Virginia can be construed so narrowly as to diminish that fundamental, enumerated Civil Right to the degree that it can only be so narrowly practiced that for all practical purposes it would not exist, then the Right to free speech could be confined to the use of contractions and gerunds, with nouns and verbs forbidden.

@ Smokin Joe


  Yeah,how bout that? Think many people will realize that and wake up in time to vote the Fascist bastards out before they seize total control?