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Hinch didn't blow it, the Nats won it
« on: November 01, 2019, 03:37:39 pm »
And I forgot, too, that doing the right thing sometimes gets made wrong.
By Yours Truly
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Zack Greinke walks off the field in Game Seven. His
manager made the right move to follow. The Nats
made the righter one to win.


It’s not going to make the pill any easier to swallow, but it wasn’t A.J. Hinch’s fault. He’s not the reason the Astros lost a World Series they seemed destined to win both going in and while they were just eight outs from the Promised Land.

I know Hinch didn’t even think about bringing Gerrit Cole in if he’d decided Zack Greinke had had enough. I second guessed it myself when first writing about Game Seven. And I was really wrong. Just as you are, Astroworld, to lay the loss on Hinch’s head. The Nats beat the Astros, plain and simple. Through no fault of Hinch’s.

He wasn’t even close to having lost his marble. Singular. He actually managed just right in that moment. It’s no more his fault that Howie Kendrick made him look like a fool right after he made his move than it was his fault the Astros couldn’t bury a Max Scherzer who had nothing but meatballs, snowballs, grapefruits, and cantaloupes to throw, two days after Scherzer’s neck locked up so tight it knocked him out of Game Five before the game even began.

Max the Knife wasn’t even a butter knife starting Game Seven and the best the Astros could do against him was an inning-opening solo home run by Yuli Gurriel and an RBI single by Carlos Correa. Remember, as so many love to bleat, the manager doesn’t play the game. Not since the end of the player-manager era.

And I get the psychological factor that would have been involved if Hinch brought Cole in instead of Will Harris. Likely American League Cy Young Award winner in waiting in to drop the hammer and nail down a win and a trophy. The Nats may have spanked Cole and company in Game One but Cole manhandled them in Game Five.

Even the Nats thought Cole was likely to come in if Greinke was coming out and, as their hitting coach Kevin Long said after Game Seven, they would have welcomed it after the surgery Greinke performed on them until the top of the seventh.

You had to appreciate an anyone-but-Greinke mindset among the Nats. Maybe even think within reason that that kind of thinking—never mind Anthony Rendon homering with one out in the top of the seventh— would leave them even more vulnerable once Cole went to work.

Pay attention, class. Cole pitched magnificently in 2019 and his earned run average was 2.19 with a postseason 1.72. But Harris, believe it or not, was a little bit better: his regular season ERA was 1.50 and his postseason ERA until Game Seven was (read carefully) 0.93.

Cole led the American League with a 2.64 fielding-independent pitching rate and Harris finished the season with a 3.15, but all that means is that Harris depends on the Astros’ stellar defense a little bit more than Cole does. And Harris walks into a few more dicey situations in his line of work. Plus, Cole never pitched even a third of an inning’s relief in his entire professional career, major and minor league alike.

Don’t even think about answering, “Madison Bumgarner.” Yes, Bumgarner closed out the 2014 World Series with shutout relief. And it began by going in clean starting in the bottom of the fifth. Bruce Bochy, who may or may not stay retired as I write, didn’t bring MadBum into a man on first/one-out scenario.

When Hinch said after Game Seven that he planned to use Cole to nail the game down shut if the Astros kept a lead, he was only saying he planned to use Cole where he was suited best, starting a clean inning, his natural habitat. Harris is one of his men whose profession involves walking into fires of all shapes and sizes when need be.

It was need-be time in Game Seven. Even Cole acknowledged as much in the breach, when he said postgame, “We just went over the game plan and he laid out the most advantageous times to use me. And we didn’t get to that position.”

Why lift Greinke after only eighty pitches on the night? Greinke historically is almost as tough on a lineup when he gets a third crack at it, but things really are a little bit different in the World Series. Even if Greinke did surrender a single run in four-and-two-thirds Game Three innings.

He may have performed microsurgery on the Nats through six but he’s not the long distance operator he used to be anymore, either, at 36. And he hadn’t exactly had an unblemished postseason before the Series. He’d been battered by the Rays in the division series; he’d been slapped enough by the Yankees in the ALCS.

As Hinch himself observed after Game Seven ended, “We asked him to do more today than he had done, and pitched deeper into the game more than he had done in the entire month of October. I wanted to take him out a bat or two early rather than a bat or two late.”

And Greinke himself believed the Nats were a lot more tough than their evening full of pre-seventh inning soft contacts at the plate indicated. “They got a good lineup, especially the top of the order,” he told reporters after the game. “It’s tough to get through no matter one time, two times, three times. All of them are tough. Really good hitters up there.”

He got the proof of that when Rendon hammered his 1-0 service halfway up the Crawford Boxes and Juan Soto focused for a walk on 3-1. When it’s winner-take-all you don’t want even a Greinke in a position to fail or for the Nats to be just a little bit better after all.

Hinch wasn’t going to walk his effective but lately erratic closer Roberto Osuna into this moment despite Osuna’s 2.63 ERA, 0.88 walks/hits per inning pitched rate, and league-leading 38 saves on the regular season. Osuna’s postseason ERA was up over 3.50 and his WHIP was reaching 2.00.

So Hinch, one of the most thoughtful and sensitively intelligent managers in the game today, really did reach for his absolute best option in the moment. He was right, I was wrong, and the only thing wrong with Hinch’s move wore a Nationals uniform.

The best teams in baseball get beaten now and then. The best pitchers in the game get beaten. The smartest managers in the game get beaten even when they make the right move. The only more inviolable baseball law than Berra’s Law is the law that says somebody has to lose. And now and then someone’s going to beat the best you have in the moment.

This was not Joe McCarthy starting Denny Galehouse over Mel Parnell with the 1948 pennant on the line.

This was not Casey Stengel failing to align his World Series rotation so Hall of Famer Whitey Ford (whose two shutouts are evidence for the prosecution) could start more than two 1960 World Series games.

This was not Gene Mauch panicking after a rookie stole home on his best pickoff pitcher and thinking he could use Hall of Famer Jim Bunning and Chris Short on two days’ rest in the last days of 1964.

This was not Don Zimmer doghousing Bill Lee, his best lefthander against the Yankees, and choosing Bobby (Ice Water In His Veins) Sprowl over Luis Tiant to stop what became the Boston Massacre in 1978.

This was not John McNamara with a weak bullpen and a heart overruling his head to send ankle-compromised Bill Buckner out to play one more inning at first base in the bottom of the tenth, Game Six, 1986.

This was not Dusty Baker sending an already season long-overworked Mark Prior back out for the top of the eighth with the Cubs six outs from going to the 2003 World Series.

This was not Grady Little measuring Hall of Famer Pedro Martinez’s heart but forgetting to check his petrol tank in Game Seven of the 2003 American League Championship Series.

This was not Mike Matheny refusing to even think about his best reliever, Trevor Rosenthal, simply because it wasn’t yet a “proper” save situation with two on, a rusty Michael Wacha on the mound, and Travis Ishikawa checking in at the plate in the bottom of the ninth in Game Five of the 2014 National League Championship Series.

This was not Buck Showalter getting his Matheny on with the best relief pitcher in baseball (Zach Britton) not even throwing in the pen, never mind ready to go, with two on and Edwin Encarnacion checking in—in a two-all tie in the bottom of the eleventh—against a mere Ubaldo Jimenez at the 2016 American League wild card game plate. Because that, too, just wasn’t, you know, a “proper” save situation.

Hinch did exactly he should have done in the moment if he was going to lift Greinke. He reached for the right tool for the job. So did Mauch, in the 1986 ALCS, with the Angels on the threshold of the 1986 World Series, if he was going to lift Mike Witt but not trust Gary Lucas after the latter plunked Rich Gedman, turning it over to Donnie Moore.

It wasn’t Mauch’s or Moore’s fault that he threw Dave Henderson the perfect nasty knee-high, outer-edge forkball, the exact match to the one Henderson had just foul tipped away, and Henderson had to reach hard and wide again to send it over the left field fence.

It wasn’t Hinch’s fault that Harris threw Kendrick the best he had to throw, too, a cutter off the middle and at the low outside corner, and watched it bonk off the right field foul pole. Just ask Harris himself, as a reporter did after Game Seven: “It’s every reliever’s worst nightmare. [Kendrick] made a championship play for a championship team.”

Better yet, ask Correa, the only Astro somehow to have a base hit with a runner on second or better Wednesday night. “The pitch he made to Howie—I just don’t understand how he hit that out,” he said. “It doesn’t add up. The way he throws his cutter, it’s one of the nastiest cutters in the game. Down and away, on the black, and he hits it off the foul pole.”

Now and then even the best teams in the game get beaten. Now and then even the best pitchers in the game get beaten. Sometimes more than now and then. Nobody was better in their absolute primes this century than Clayton Kershaw and Justin Verlander. Yet Kershaw has a postseason resume described most politely as dubious and Verlander’s lifetime World Series ERA is 5.68.

And even the smartest skippers in the game lose. Hall of Famer John McGraw got outsmarted by a kid player-manager named Bucky Harris in Game Seven of the 1924 World Series, though even Harris needed four shutout relief innings from aging Hall of Famer Walter Johnson and a bad hop over Giants third baseman Freddie Lindstrom to secure what was previously Washington’s only known major league World Series conquest.

McCarthy and Stengel were at or near the end of Hall of Fame managing careers (Stengel was really more of a caretaker as the 1962-65 Mets sent out the clowns while their front office built an organisation) when they made their most fatal mis-judgments.

And yet another Hall of Famer, Tony La Russa, suffered a fatal brain freeze. His failure to even think about his Hall of Fame relief ace Dennis Eckersley earlier than the ninth-inning save situations cost him twice and would have kept the Reds from a 1990 Series sweep, if not from winning the Series itself.

The Astros had seven men bat with men in scoring position in Game Seven and only Correa nailed a base hit. The Nats went 2-for-9 in the same position. And, for a change, left three fewer men on than the Astros did.

The Astros couldn’t hit a gimp with a hangar door. The Nats punctured an Astro who dealt trump for six innings and made two fateful mistakes in the seventh that the Nats took complete advantage of. Then their best relief option in the moment got thumped with his absolute best pitch.

Because baseball isn’t immune to the law of unintended consequences, either. It never was. It never will be. The Astros were the better team until the World Series. The Nats ended up the better team in the World Series. And that isn’t exactly unheard of, either.

Few teams in baseball have been better than the 1906 Cubs, the 1914 Philadelphia Athletics, the 1954 Indians, the 1960 Yankees, the 1969 Orioles, the 1987 Cardinals, the 1988 and 1990 A’s, the 2003 Yankees, and the 2006 Tigers. They all lost World Series in those years. And two of them (’60 Yankees; ’87 Cardinals) went the distance before losing.

Yet the Nats scored the greatest upset in the history of the Series, and not just because they’re the first to reach the Promised Land entirely on the road. The Astros were Series favourites by the largest margin ever going in. And only the 1914 Braves were down lower during their regular season than the Nats were in late May this year.

But that year’s A’s, the first of two Connie Mack dynasties, weren’t favoured as heavily to win as this year’s Astros.

The Dodgers were overwhelming National League favourites to get to this World Series—until Kendrick’s monstrous tenth-inning grand slam. Then the Cardinals were favoured enough to make it—until they ran into a Washington vacuum cleaner that beat, swept, and cleaned them four straight.

The Astros didn’t have it that easy getting to this Series. The ornery upstart Rays made them win a pair of elimination games first. Then it took Yankee skipper Aaron Boone’s dice roll in the bottom of the ALCS Game Six ninth—refusing to walk Jose Altuve with George Springer aboard and comparative spaghetti-bat Jake Marisnick on deck—to enable Altuve’s mammoth two-run homer off a faltering Aroldis Chapman with the pennant attached.

Hinch made the right move in the circumstance and the moment and the Nats made the righter play. The championship play, as Correa put it. The play for the Promised Land. Soto’s eighth-inning RBI single and Eaton’s ninth-inning two-run single were just insurance policies.

When Hinch says that not bringing in Cole was a mistake he’d have to live with, he shouldered a blame that wasn’t his to shoulder. Even if his happen to be the strongest in Astroworld.
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Re: Hinch didn't blow it, the Nats won it
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2019, 05:31:03 pm »
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Re: Hinch didn't blow it, the Nats won it
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2019, 09:51:26 pm »


"The question of who is right is a small one, indeed, beside the question of what is right."---Albert Jay Nock.

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Re: Hinch didn't blow it, the Nats won it
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2019, 10:09:36 pm »
@DCPatriot

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"Sir," is it now?  wink777

LOL!    wink777

I just love the way you write.   Reminds me very much of Tom Boswell back in the Oriole's Jim Palmer/Earl Weaver days.

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Re: Hinch didn't blow it, the Nats won it
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2019, 11:18:24 pm »
LOL!    wink777

I just love the way you write.   Reminds me very much of Tom Boswell back in the Oriole's Jim Palmer/Earl Weaver days.

Looked forward to his feature pieces in the Washington Post once...twice a week.  Would buy the paper just for that.
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Re: Hinch didn't blow it, the Nats won it
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2019, 03:12:42 am »
Great read, @EasyAce. Thanks for your perspective.

First, let me congratulate the Nats for an amazing season, culminating in an exciting 7-game World Series victory. Astros fans know what it's like to wait years and years to achieve that goal. Kudos for a job extremely well done.



My thoughts and observations:

There were so many things on my "to do" list that got pushed to the back burner because of October baseball, so the day after game 7, I spent the whole day getting caught up. As you might imagine, there were a lot of disappointed Astros fans at every location on my journey of errands. Striking up conversations with strangers is a very Texan thing to do, and it's even more prevalent when we experienced an event that left us sad and, honestly, bewildered. We did a lot of talking that day, and mostly asking questions. One question in particular. Why did AJ take Greinke out? Why? Why? Why?  :shrug: The secondary question was about Cole, but the main question was about Greinke. The count went 3 & 1 on after a bad call by the ump -- not because Greinke wasn't pitching well. There's no way to know what the result of that at-bat would have been if the umpiring had been accurate. Nor could we know how Greinke would have handled Kendrick, even if he did end up walking Soto. (For as long as I'm a baseball fan, I will make loud noises to get an electronic strike zone implemented. Believe it or not, I feel sorry for our opponents when they get a bad call. It's especially maddening in the very crucial games -- like game 7 of the World Series. See two examples below of bad calls in game 7 when every call is crucial.)

Also, the fans I met throughout the day, to a person, were impressed with the Nats, but hated that their fan base dissed President Trump. Hispanic, Asian and garden-variety white folks were all pretty livid about that. I think the Asian lady was even angrier than I!

Emotions were raw that day. The general consensus was that AJ made the wrong call when he pulled Greinke. It had nothing to do with Harris. We were all in disbelief before we even knew who was coming in. And we'd have been fine with Harris a little later on, once Greinke lost his groove. We just didn't believe that he had at that point.

BTW, I went back and read my text conversations during the game. The texts read much like the conversations I was having with my fellow Texans as we commiserated the day after. Don't get me wrong. We were all frustrated by the Stros' inability to produce RBIs, but, sad to say, we were getting a little accustomed to that toward the end of the year. (Although one can't help entertaining the "what ifs" if Carlos had had one more pitch instead of being called out when the ball was a few inches outside the strike zone.) When our offense wasn't producing, we really leaned on the pitching to put us in the win column. Which brings us back to Greinke. (sigh)

Anyway, it's over for the year, and I've got all kinds of time to lick my wounds and navigate through my Astros withdrawal symptoms. I did, after all, have perfect attendance, so that was quite a commitment of time. Now I'll sit back and observe all the drama of the off-season to see where players and managers end up next year. We'll get Lance McCullers, Jr., back next year, so I hope he comes in smokin' hot after his TJ surgery. One thing's for sure -- he's smokin' hot to watch while he's pitching.   :yowsa: :pop41:

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Re: Hinch didn't blow it, the Nats won it
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2019, 11:11:21 am »
BTW, I went back and read my text conversations during the game. The texts read much like the conversations I was having with my fellow Texans as we commiserated the day after. Don't get me wrong. We were all frustrated by the Stros' inability to produce RBIs, but, sad to say, we were getting a little accustomed to that toward the end of the year.
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I did notice the Astros weren't as run prolific over their final eleven regular season games as they'd been earlier in the season. You can't really fault them if, as you go on to say, they leaned that heavily on their pitching. Or any team who could run Justin Verlander, Gerrit Cole, and Zack Greinke out as starters or Will Harris and pre-knee issue Ryan Pressly out of the bullpen at reasonable intervals.

(Although one can't help entertaining the "what ifs" if Carlos had had one more pitch instead of being called out when the ball was a few inches outside the strike zone.)
Believe me, both World Series teams and at least a couple of the teams in the earlier rounds, winner or loser alike, wouldn't find anyone disagreeing if they both wanted to make a case that the umpiring in this postseason was a nine-letter euphemism for equine excrement. The issue of umpire accountability (it practically doesn't exist) will remain with us, unfortunately. I've never forgotten how the accountability issue helped to destroy the original umpires' union---when they were walked into the mass resignation strategy that blew up in their faces after their then-leader, Richie Phillips, objected vehemently when baseball's government actually demanded (the nerve of them!) accountability. The man who then held the job Joe Torre holds now, Sandy Alderson, nailed a too-pretty point when he said at that time, "I got worried when I found out that players were more concerned with who was umpiring the next day than they were about who was pitching."

But I also noticed most of the teams who did get jobbed by lousy calls shook them off rather admirably, including the Astros and the Nats. They weren't going to let the umpires beat them if they could help it. That's not going to get the umpires off the hook, but those who want a lesson in how not to shake off terrible umpiring have only to hark back to the 1985 Cardinals. (One of the reasons we now have full replay review, which was long overdue, is that the umpire who blew the call that blew the Cardinals' stacks that game and the disastrous [for them] Game Seven, Don Denkinger, became in due course one of replay's most prominent advocates. He knew he'd blown the call, and he came to agree with Cardinals manager Whitey Herzog: when this is for the championship especially, let's get it right.)

Anyway, it's over for the year, and I've got all kinds of time to lick my wounds and navigate through my Astros withdrawal symptoms. I did, after all, have perfect attendance, so that was quite a commitment of time. Now I'll sit back and observe all the drama of the off-season to see where players and managers end up next year. We'll get Lance McCullers, Jr., back next year, so I hope he comes in smokin' hot after his TJ surgery. One thing's for sure -- he's smokin' hot to watch while he's pitching.   :yowsa: :pop41:
You reminded me of the woman I dated for a couple of years in the early 1990s, when Dave Magadan was still playing with the Mets before he went to the Marlins in the expansion draft that created them and the Rockies. She thought Magadan had the most smokin' hot derriere in major league baseball, and never failed to remind me when we watched a game together.

The latest word on Lance McCullers: his recovery progress is enough that he's begin throwing off a mound and hitting 90 mph on the gun. According to MLB Trade Rumors, if McCullers can continue the progress he should be ready for spring training. Elsewhere involving the Astros, it's possibly they're going to let Wade Miley go (his late-season cratering factors in, especially since he was left off the postseason roster) and likely that Jose Urquidy will work for a rotation spot in spring training after his World Series impression. And since you never know how loose will be the purse strings Jeff Luhnow gets to work with, and what kind of reinforcement he'll be able to bring in during this winter's activity, McCullers's recovery becomes even more critical.

And, even though Astros bench coach Joe Espada ended up not getting the Cubs' managing job that David Ross got, or the Mets' managing job that Carlos Beltran got, he may still be in play with the Giants and the Pirates. If he ends up becoming the new manager for either of them, the Astros will need to pick the man to become A.J. Hinch's new consigliere.

The Astro offseason will be many things. Boring isn't likely to be one of them.
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Re: Hinch didn't blow it, the Nats won it
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2019, 01:48:09 pm »
IMHO:

Although pulling Greinke was on the top of the "why?" list,
No clutch hitting was the bigger culprit.

Not putting in Cole wasn't a factor for me.

FYI, Astros owner Jim Crane says he'll "take a run" at resigning Gerrit Cole.

www.mlb.com/news/jim-crane-astros-payroll-gerrit-cole

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Re: Hinch didn't blow it, the Nats won it
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2019, 02:36:35 pm »
IMHO:

Although pulling Greinke was on the top of the "why?" list,
No clutch hitting was the bigger culprit.
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Something to keep in mind: When Hinch lifted Greinke, he'd thrown five balls over his preceding seven pitches, and a sixth pitch out of those seven got nailed for the home run. And, Greinke reverted to the thing that hurt him in his previous postseason gigs this time around---he nibbled instead of attacking and lost Soto to the walk immediately following the home run.

That said, the Astros' inability to nail a Max Scherzer with nothing to throw up to the plate but his will was indeed the real culprit.

FYI, Astros owner Jim Crane says he'll "take a run" at resigning Gerrit Cole.

www.mlb.com/news/jim-crane-astros-payroll-gerrit-cole
That's what I've heard, too.

And since Cole is likely to win the Cy Young Award, I can't see Crane being that willing to just let a Cy Young Award incumbent take a hike without a battle.


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