The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD

[austingirl]

Principled.Conservatism.
And nothing else.
or we are indeed done.

@roamer_1

How does that work with half the population not paying taxes and vote? Many have their hands out, and the open borders are providing our replacements, who will have both hands out. Aren't principled conservatives outnumbered?

[Smokin Joe]

The usual paranoid bullshit

Two incidents, fewer than one in ten million Americans killed, and you want to take away firearms from 80+million people, and you call US paranoid?
 

You cite a slaughter, but half that many people are killed every day crossing the street (5,987 people in 2016 alone). source
Yet you don't want to ban crosswalks, cars, or walking.

We know you mean to take our property and our freedom. If someone is out to 'get you', and you have professed that desire on countless occasions when it comes to taking firearms Rights, well, by definition we aren't paranoid at all. And it isn't even just taking the means of actively defending against whatever comes along,the putsch is for taking the passive means of defense as well. The only possible reason for that combination is to render the populace as helpless as possible in the face of government--and, historically, that means incipient tyranny.

One in ten million: That's 0.000001% on one nasty day.

Pedestrians: (one in twenty milllion) That's 0.0000005% every day.

[austingirl]

Maybe a sort of commonwealth thing.  Like maybe Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana and Arkansas form the Commonwealth of the whatever, and Utah, Arizona, Colorado and New Mexico form the Four Corners Commonwealth and so on.  Maybe four or five commonwealths with a small body that is limited to governing over inter-commonwealth issues.  I don't know who gets stuck with California or Maryland.

@Sanguine

California can implode all on its own or they could join Oregon and Washington state for the slide into leftist hell.

[Cyber Liberty]

@roamer_1

Can we get back to federalism? Have we lost our Constitutional Republic as Franklin feared?

We lost the Constitutional Republic a century or so ago.  The struggle now is to get it back.

[txradioguy]

We lost the Constitutional Republic a century or so ago.  The struggle now is to get it back.

Turtle ain't helping things any.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,372127.0.html

[austingirl]

We lost the Constitutional Republic a century or so ago.  The struggle now is to get it back.

@Cyber Liberty

Yes, we did. I can't see a path to getting it back with so many having no skin in the game (paying taxes) and yet they still can vote themselves more "free" stuff.

[Cyber Liberty]

@roamer_1

How does that work with half the population not paying taxes and vote? Many have their hands out, and the open borders are providing our replacements, who will have both hands out. Aren't principled conservatives outnumbered?

"Taxation without Representation" may suck, but "Representation without Taxation" ain't no great shakes, either.

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cyber Liberty

Yes, we did. I can't see a path to getting it back with so many having no skin in the game (paying taxes) and yet they still can vote themselves more "free" stuff.

There is a quote about what happens when the takers outnumber the makers.  It doesn't end well:  It ends with the Tyranny of a select minority.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

How does that work with half the population not paying taxes and vote? Many have their hands out, and the open borders are providing our replacements, who will have both hands out. Aren't principled conservatives outnumbered?

The only way forward is grownups at the helm of the federal government, with an intent to balance budgets and reduce the federal behemoth. that automatically dries up the government teat, which would require liberal state governments to become responsible... And colleges and schools to become responsible... and, and, and...

That cannot be done in one fell swoop. It will have to take place over years. A methodical deconstruction.

That is why Tump is a waste of time. The president can't do a dang thing. It is Congressional statesmen that matter most, in league with statesmen governors. A conservative President would be a plus, but less important than the others. That is what the TEA Party was trying to do, from the ground up.

This is why I keep asking people to look at what we get to keep out of this or any other administration.

[roamer_1]

We lost the Constitutional Republic a century or so ago.  The struggle now is to get it back.

That's right.

[Cyber Liberty]

That's right.

I peg that at the same event @Bigun  does:  The 17th Amendment that erased the States' representation.  The 16th, too.

[Bigun]

I peg that at the same event @Bigun  does:  The 17th Amendment that erased the States' representation.  The 16th, too.

Actually, Bigun says it was before that, about 1860ish, but 1913 put the final nails in the coffin for sure.

[roamer_1]

I peg that at the same event @Bigun  does:  The 17th Amendment that erased the States' representation.  The 16th, too.

YEP. The 17th has to be rectified, particularly.

[EdJames]

I've been thinking about this insight and truly believe that the national government is the problem. Our nation is too large to be run by a central government and are living through the consequences of the national power grab.

It is past time to break up into separate countries with like-minded states banding together. When you have such opposite states as Texas and California advocating for secession, will it become a reality?

Heck, you have mainstream conservative pundits like Levin talking and writing about this nation being in a "Post-Constitutional" phase with ever increasing TYRANNY for quite a few years now....

And a  for @Cyber Liberty's concise and impactful quote that you were responding to!!

[Cyber Liberty]

Actually, Bigun says it was before that, about 1860ish, but 1913 put the final nails in the coffin for sure.

I can agree with that.  Honest Abe took a wrecking ball to the Constitution and we're still paying the price for it.

[Bigun]

Heck, you have mainstream conservative pundits like Levin talking and writing about this nation being in a "Post-Constitutional" phase with ever increasing TYRANNY for quite a few years now....

And a  for @Cyber Liberty's concise and impactful quote that you were responding to!!

I definitely don't qualify as a pundit but I've been on the case for more than 40 years now. Glad to see others finally catching on. Hope it's not too late.

[Bigun]

I can agree with that.  Honest Abe took a wrecking ball to the Constitution and we're still paying the price for it.

 

[Cyber Liberty]

The 16th Amendment was a direct result of the SCOTUS clipping the wings of a Congress that had become unmoored from the Constitution.  I miss the old SCOTUS, today's would never have the testicles to do it.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

And they are looking for a lesser reasonable cause, lesser level of proof, and a larger pool of athoratative witnesses that have standing.

And I absolutely oppose all of that, and wouldn't support any law that contained any of those provisions.

But that's different from saying I'd oppose all red flag laws, no matter what the specific language was.

[Cyber Liberty]

Heck, you have mainstream conservative pundits like Levin talking and writing about this nation being in a "Post-Constitutional" phase with ever increasing TYRANNY for quite a few years now....

And a  for @Cyber Liberty's concise and impactful quote that you were responding to!!

Thanks, @EdJames!   

[roamer_1]

And I absolutely oppose all of that, and wouldn't support any law that contained any of those provisions.

But that's different from saying I'd oppose all red flag laws, no matter what the specific language was.

I certainly will. Mind police are for socialists.

And never ever at the federal level.

[EdJames]

What is it that gentlemen wish, what would they have? Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?

And, you know the rest....

[Cyber Liberty]

I certainly will. Mind police are for socialists.

And never ever at the federal National level.

Fixed it. We slipped the surly bonds of "Federalism" a long time ago.  Hence, my new sig line.

[Smokin Joe]

Maybe that’s why some people call gun owners and enthusiasts, gun nuts. To non gun owners, they seem almost to worship unfettered access to guns, above every consideration of a gun’s potential—in the wrong hands—to visit unspeakable carnage on innocent people at school, at work or at a busy market.

The gun is a tool. I have lots of tools. I use my tools. I like my tools. But, they’re just tools. A gun however, is a tool that comes with a great responsibility and an even greater potential for harm—again, if in the wrong hands.

A home grown Islamic terrorist, someone on the edge of sanity, a disgruntled, agitated or threatening employee, an 18-year-old acting out violently, an anarchist or subversive advocating violent overthrow of the government; If these types of people own guns, there should be a codified, due-process way to legally challenge that ownership.

It is a lot easier to defend your family with a gun than a claw hammer, not that what comes to hand isn't fair game. But even more, those guns have been handed from father to son, grandfather to grandson, along with a longstanding tradition of hunting, outdoorsmanship, and defense of family and others.
Not only are those family heirlooms, but the traditions they represent go deep, to the heart of what being an American means to those of us who don't live in places where traditions are sacrificed on the altar of the 'new' and avant garde.
Oddly enough, the places which so willingly toss those traditions to the wind, where you can't see wide open spaces within 10 minutes of the house, are the places where these shooting events tend to take place.

[Cyber Liberty]

It is a lot easier to defend your family with a gun than a claw hammer, not that what comes to hand isn't fair game. But even more, those guns have been handed from father to son, grandfather to grandson, along with a longstanding tradition of hunting, outdoorsmanship, and defense of family and others.
Not only are those family heirlooms, but the traditions they represent go deep, to the heart of what being an American means to those of us who don't live in places where traditions are sacrificed on the altar of the 'new' and avant garde.
Oddly enough, the places which so willingly toss those traditions to the wind, where you can't see wide open spaces within 10 minutes of the house, are the places where these shooting events tend to take place.

Ironically, those will cease to be "heirlooms" the instant "universal" background checks become the law of the land.  It's why this shit has to be stopped, and stopped now.  Maybe it's not so ironic, come to think about it....