House GOP fears retirement wave will lead to tsunami

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1   wash your hands!!     

@DCPatriot

Hey. All that is is washin off flavor... 

[Smokin Joe]

That's not the "slogan".  There clearly will be a lot of people voting for a guy because they really like him.  My point is that the mere fact that you're casting a vote for a guy does not mean you are a fan of everything about him, and may simply be trying to keep an opponent you believe to be worse out of power.

May? I'd have to say that close to 99% of the ballots I have cast have been precisely to keep a worse evil from getting into office. Now where does that leave this country, imho? Swirling around the bowl, that's where.
The slow train to evil has the same destination as the express.

Or -- perhaps more likely -- there are things about the candidate you like, some things you don't, but you think the good outweighs the bad in comparison to the opponent.  Anyone who considers a vote for a candidate equivalent to agreeing with that candidate on every single issue, and an endorsement of every person foible and idiosyncracy, is being willfully obtuse.  Only the most pendantic twit would argue that everyone who voted for George W. Bush thought him getting a DUI was fantastic, or that those who voted for Trump saw nothing at all wrong with Trump's "grab them by the bleep" comment.

But while that total approval is not what the voter may intend, it is the net effect. In or out, on or off, there is no middle ground in that. So voting for a lesser evil is still voting for evil.

I'm with @roamer_1 on that. Why?? Just to keep from going to hell in a handbasket a little longer?
Well, sorry, but not only is that downright selfish, it's just another version of kicking the can down the road.
It's dooming our progeny to debt, economic collapse, tyranny, and worse so we can live it up (supposedly), when the politicians are the ones who are living it up, on our great grand children's dime.

Our Federal Government was never intended to do most of what it does. It was never intended to have the powers it exerts, not just on individuals, but on the several states as well.

Just sit down with a clear head and put aside the contortions of verbiage that attorneys use to twist a language to support concepts clearly out of bounds, and compare the cabinet posts to the Constitutionally authorized powers and duties of the Federal Government. That Republic didn't survive the first 50 years unscathed, and the last one hundred are a serious departure from the original concept.

[Smokin Joe]

@musiclady

There is NOTHING politically "conservative" about being a fire-breathing bible-thumper. In FACT,it means just the opposite because actual conservatives fight against police states of every type.

It wasn't just fire breathing bible thumpers who got the boot.

How many of your vehicles will tolerate E15 well? None of mine were built for that crap? But the guy who 'won' promised, in Iowa, that he'd push the EPA mandate and enforce it to the fullest extent of the law. That's where I moved him down the list, considerably. Another fellow said he'd do away with the blend mandate and let the market decide. Him, I would have voted for, if we'd had a primary in ND. We didn't.

Now, I am not about to wholeheartedly support a Party that even deprived me of the opportunity to have my say in the primaries. No effing way.

As you said, I'm against totalitarians of ANY stripe.

[Sanguine]

It wasn't just fire breathing bible thumpers who got the boot.

How many of your vehicles will tolerate E15 well? None of mine were built for that crap? But the guy who 'won' promised, in Iowa, that he'd push the EPA mandate and enforce it to the fullest extent of the law. That's where I moved him down the list, considerably. Another fellow said he'd do away with the blend mandate and let the market decide. Him, I would have voted for, if we'd had a primary in ND. We didn't.

Now, I am not about to wholeheartedly support a Party that even deprived me of the opportunity to have my say in the primaries. No effing way.

As you said, I'm against totalitarians of ANY stripe.

Amen, Brother Joe!

[Smokin Joe]

Clockwise, of course.

Depends on whether you are in the Northern or Southern Hemisphere. Coriolis effect, and all that.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Now, I am not about to wholeheartedly support a Party that even deprived me of the opportunity to have my say in the primaries. No effing way.   

No one is asking for your wholehearted support; just your rational support of the defense we have -- right now -- against the Socialist-Democrats.

Neither is anyone asking you to wholeheartedly support the General leading our offensive attack, simply asking you to accept we're at war with the General we have.  Personally, I feel damn good with Donald Trump leading the fight, but you don't have to.   All you have to do is be prepared to accept the consequences of his--and our--defeat. 

I believe the battle cry "Join of Die" from our nation's birth applies as much today as it did then.

The choice is yours.

[roamer_1]

No one is asking for your wholehearted support; just your rational support of the defense we have -- right now -- against the Socialist-Democrats.

WHY? So we can have socialist Republicans instead?

SAME DANG THING.

Neither is anyone asking you to wholeheartedly support the General leading our offensive attack, simply asking you to accept we're at war with the General we have.  Personally, I feel damn good with Donald Trump leading the fight, but you don't have to.   All you have to do is be prepared to accept the consequences of his--and our--defeat. 

Six of one, half dozen of the other.

I believe the battle cry "Join of Die" from our nation's birth applies as much today as it did then.

The choice is yours.

LOL! Nonsense... at best y'all represent a few degrees of separation - soon subsumed into the corporate socialist matrix should you continue and 'win'.

[roamer_1]

It wasn't just fire breathing bible thumpers who got the boot.

How many of your vehicles will tolerate E15 well? None of mine were built for that crap? But the guy who 'won' promised, in Iowa, that he'd push the EPA mandate and enforce it to the fullest extent of the law. That's where I moved him down the list, considerably. Another fellow said he'd do away with the blend mandate and let the market decide. Him, I would have voted for, if we'd had a primary in ND. We didn't.

Now, I am not about to wholeheartedly support a Party that even deprived me of the opportunity to have my say in the primaries. No effing way.

As you said, I'm against totalitarians of ANY stripe.

That's right.

[roamer_1]

It's dooming our progeny to debt, economic collapse, tyranny, and worse so we can live it up (supposedly), when the politicians are the ones who are living it up, on our great grand children's dime.

That's right. The problem is not the socialist dems. The problem is that Republicans are satisfied to be at best, where democrats were in the 80s. And that is the so-called right. The problem is Republicans having moved so far left that the difference in the longer term is indistinguishable.


Great post.

[roamer_1]

Amen, Brother Joe!

MEGADITTOS

[roamer_1]

@Bigun  @roamer_1

You guys want a president that  is humble before/subordinate to an imaginary creature?

Of course not. I said humble before God.

[Smokin Joe]

No one is asking for your wholehearted support; just your rational support of the defense we have -- right now -- against the Socialist-Democrats.

Neither is anyone asking you to wholeheartedly support the General leading our offensive attack, simply asking you to accept we're at war with the General we have.  Personally, I feel damn good with Donald Trump leading the fight, but you don't have to.   All you have to do is be prepared to accept the consequences of his--and our--defeat. 

I believe the battle cry "Join of Die" from our nation's birth applies as much today as it did then.

The choice is yours.

Right. Check the flints and keep your powder dry and all that.

It's just that the guy leading has attacked my rights, and my income and claimed it as a "win".
So, who is the enemy again? Every G-D one of them as I see it.
You have no friends in Government. They all want to own you, to take from you the fruits of your labors, and even tell you in minute detail how you are to perform those labors, IF you can at all.
I am under no illusions. It boils down to a question of who is trying to take the least from me at the moment, but that doesn't make them my pals, just a lesser enemy.
And that, m'dear, is the crux of the matter.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

But while that total approval is not what the voter may intend, it is the net effect. In or out, on or off, there is no middle ground in that. So voting for a lesser evil is still voting for evil.

I'd agree that regardless of the intent with which someone casts a vote, the consequences of the vote are the same.   I think that matters in terms of tangible policy results, but it does exclude the implied approval of the morality of the person elected.

I'm with @roamer_1 on that. Why?? Just to keep from going to hell in a handbasket a little longer?
Well, sorry, but not only is that downright selfish, it's just another version of kicking the can down the road.

1) Kicking the can down the road is the wrong choice when there is a better option.  But if there isn't a better option -- if the only two realistic choices presented are the bomb blowing up in 15 seconds, or delaying the explosion for two hours and hope someone shows up who knows how to defuse it in the meantime -- then kicking the can down the road is the most logical choice.  And it certainly isn't selfish.  Seems to me it's far more selfish for the doom and gloomers wanting to satisfy their own sense of fatalism to insist on the bomb going off immediately, rather than delaying it in the hopes a better solution will emerge in the meantime.  Fine -- go ahead and commit suicide if you want.  But don't insist the rest of us who'd like to hang around a bit longer join you.

2) In most cases, I don't believe it really is the "lesser of two evils."  I think it's generally a choice between "evil", and "someone who (at least "net") won't make things more evil, and may even make things somewhat better".  Net, I think Trump has been more positive than negative.  Others may disagree with that, so to them, it really may be the lesser of two evils.  Not for me, though.

Now, that's also why I wouldn't vote for someone like Kasich, because I do think he'd actually make things worse overall, and might even end up getting even more "bad" accomplished than if we'd elected a Democrat.

[sneakypete]

WHY? So we can have socialist Republicans instead?

SAME DANG THING.

Six of one, half dozen of the other.

 

@roamer_1

Yeah,MUCH better to give up without a fight,and the blame what happens on the people who actually voted in an effort to halt the loss of our freedoms,right?

Seems to me what you "Principled voters" (roflmao!) want most of all is to duck responsibility so you can claim it wasn't your fault when our system collapses. You are "conscientious objectors" in the war to retain and regain our freedoms. Now,being a BIG fan of personal freedoms,I don't personally give a damn if you vote or not. That does NOT mean I will sit by quietly and not point out your hypocrisy as our system is destroyed and you sit back and smugly claim "It wasn't MY fault. I had several hissy-fits,but it didn't work!"

The person that stands by and does nothing while seeing a tragedy develop and happen HAS to share guilt with the people that purposely set the tragedy in motion.

[sneakypete]

Of course not. I said humble before God.

@roamer_1

Enough with the Christian bashing.

[aligncare]

@roamer_1

Yeah,MUCH better to give up without a fight,and the blame what happens on the people who actually voted in an effort to halt the loss of our freedoms,right?

Seems to me what you "Principled voters" (roflmao!) want most of all is to duck responsibility so you can claim it wasn't your fault when our system collapses. You are "conscientious objectors" in the war to retain and regain our freedoms. Now,being a BIG fan of personal freedoms,I don't personally give a damn if you vote or not. That does NOT mean I will sit by quietly and not point out your hypocrisy as our system is destroyed and you sit back and smugly claim "It wasn't MY fault. I had several hissy-fits,but it didn't work!"

The person that stands by and does nothing while seeing a tragedy develop and happen HAS to share guilt with the people that purposely set the tragedy in motion.

Well said @sneakypete

If one claims to care about the future of his country, claims to understand the gravity of politics and it’s impact on culture and society, his children’s future, and claims to possess some superior standard by which he pick his candidates for office; and further, he acknowledges that politics is a battle of competing, polar opposite, visions for America’s future   ...and then he bows out of the struggle; not my monkey, not my circus?:

 [self-censored summation. Hint: it has to do with credibility and loss of respect for someone like that]

[Right_in_Virginia]

@roamer_1

Yeah,MUCH better to give up without a fight, and the blame what happens on the people who actually voted in an effort to halt the loss of our freedoms,right?

Seems to me what you "Principled voters" (roflmao!) want most of all is to duck responsibility so you can claim it wasn't your fault when our system collapses. You are "conscientious objectors" in the war to retain and regain our freedoms. Now,being a BIG fan of personal freedoms,I don't personally give a damn if you vote or not. That does NOT mean I will sit by quietly and not point out your hypocrisy as our system is destroyed and you sit back and smugly claim "It wasn't MY fault. I had several hissy-fits, but it didn't work!"

The person that stands by and does nothing while seeing a tragedy develop and happen HAS to share guilt with the people that purposely set the tragedy in motion.

Amen, brother!

   @sneakypete

[Right_in_Virginia]

It's just that the guy leading has attacked my rights, and my income and claimed it as a "win".
So, who is the enemy again? Every G-D one of them as I see it. 

Again @Smokin Joe  You're angry and disappointed.  I can't argue with this, won't even try.   But to say there are no differences between a President Trump and a President Any Demonrat Running is disngenuous, IMO.

Again, choosing to sit this election out because you're blinded by anger is your right.  Holding you part of the reason for our defeat and the consequences that will be unleashed is mine.

[roamer_1]

Yeah,MUCH better to give up without a fight,and the blame what happens on the people who actually voted in an effort to halt the loss of our freedoms,right?

@sneakypete
Not at all... If it is my fate to spill my blood for liberty, I will do it without regret. But I will pick the hill to die on. And it won't be helping crony corporatists in the Republican party *SPIT*

And y'all didn't vote in an effort to halt the loss of freedom, or you would have picked a principled Conservative. You would literally be standing upon the foundation. Y'all voted to throw poo at the Democrats and the MSM.

Seems to me what you "Principled voters" (roflmao!) want most of all is to duck responsibility so you can claim it wasn't your fault when our system collapses.

No, without principled Conservatism, there is no stopping our system from collapsing. I mean it more than you do. I will not be swayed by pretty baubles. I will not swoon at celebrity. I will preach on, right till the bitter end.

You will fix NOTHING without throttling the last gasping fiscal air out of this federal behemoth.
You will fix nothing without a mentality toward federalism and the sovereignty of the various states, putting the federal beast back in its proper cage.
You will fix nothing without restoring integrity to our institutions, and piety among the people.

That means you NEED the timeless and immovable principles of fiscal conservatism.
That means you NEED the timeless and immovable principles of civil libertarianism.
That means you NEED the timeless and immovable principles of social conservatism.
You will win nothing without the principles of Conservatism.

And as of right now, y'all have none of them - Not a one.

You are "conscientious objectors" in the war to retain and regain our freedoms.

The hell I am.

Now,being a BIG fan of personal freedoms,I don't personally give a damn if you vote or not.

Likewise.

That does NOT mean I will sit by quietly and not point out your hypocrisy as our system is destroyed and you sit back and smugly claim "It wasn't MY fault. I had several hissy-fits,but it didn't work!"

How very nearsighted of you. The hypocrisy is in y'all = Saying you're conservatives but promoting big federal government and NYC values. Claiming conservatism and spitting upon the very principles that are its veritable definition.

I am standing on the very ground I have always stood upon. I have not moved one bitter inch. And I never, ever will.

Y'all object that I will not compromise and join you in your revelry. I tell you truly, there has been far, far too much compromise already. It's grown-up time.

The person that stands by and does nothing while seeing a tragedy develop and happen HAS to share guilt with the people that purposely set the tragedy in motion.

Bullcrap. If there is a child about to be hit by a bus, and your plan is to blow bubbles at it, you can bet I will be doing something else. This is no different.

[roamer_1]

Well said @sneakypete

If one claims to care about the future of his country, claims to understand the gravity of politics and it’s impact on culture and society, his children’s future, and claims to possess some superior standard by which he pick his candidates for office; and further, he acknowledges that politics is a battle of competing, polar opposite, visions for America’s future   ...and then he bows out of the struggle; not my monkey, not my circus?:

 [self-censored summation. Hint: it has to do with credibility and loss of respect for someone like that]

@aligncare
I have not bowed out of the struggle because I refuse to support your misbegotten effort.
You have me laughing with your inane efforts to make me bow and accept the chains you are forging.

I will simply direct my efforts toward something effective instead.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete
 

And y'all didn't vote in an effort to halt the loss of freedom, or you would have picked a principled Conservative. 

Horse Hillary! NAME the "principled conservative by" YOUR standards that was running.

No, without principled Conservatism, there is no stopping our system from collapsing. I mean it more than you do. I will not be swayed by pretty baubles. I will not swoon at celebrity. I will preach on, right till the bitter end.

In other words,you just want something to whine about so you can do your little "superiority dance" while bragging to everybody about what smart little boy you are.

You will fix NOTHING without throttling the last gasping fiscal air out of this federal behemoth.
You will fix nothing without a mentality toward federalism and the sovereignty of the various states, putting the federal beast back in its proper cage.
You will fix nothing without restoring integrity to our institutions, and piety among the people.

That means you NEED the timeless and immovable principles of fiscal conservatism.
That means you NEED the timeless and immovable principles of civil libertarianism.
That means you NEED the timeless and immovable principles of social conservatism.
You will win nothing without the principles of Conservatism.

And as of right now, y'all have none of them - Not a one.

How very nearsighted of you. The hypocrisy is in y'all = Saying you're conservatives but promoting big federal government and NYC values. Claiming conservatism and spitting upon the very principles that are its veritable definition.

I am standing on the very ground I have always stood upon. I have not moved one bitter inch. And I never, ever will.

Y'all object that I will not compromise and join you in your revelry. I tell you truly, there has been far, far too much compromise already. It's grown-up time.

Bullcrap. If there is a child about to be hit by a bus, and your plan is to blow bubbles at it, you can bet I will be doing something else. This is no different.

So,how are you planning on solving that problem. Praying to Jesus? Sending a note to Santa at the North Pole? Jumping into the air three times and clicking your heels?

Or maybe just holding your breath until you turn blue?

[sneakypete]

@aligncare
I have not bowed out of the struggle because I refuse to support your misbegotten effort.
You have me laughing with your inane efforts to make me bow and accept the chains you are forging.

I will simply direct my efforts toward something effective instead.

@roamer_1

Ahhh,NOW I understand!

You are a "Conscientious  Objector" in the war to maintain our freedoms!

Thanks for clearing that up.

[Bigun]

SOS! Different day.

Everybody wants to get to the same place but never get there because they spend ALL of their time arguing endlessly about which car they should ride in!

[Axeslinger]

 

Why is it so all fire important that everyone thinks and votes as you do?

This attitude more than any other is the source of the never ending flame wars here.

@aligncare @sneakypete you have your opinion on trump...cool. 
@roamer_1 has his opinions...cool

I was where roamer was, now I lie somewhere between the two of you...cool

Let bygones be bygones...each man votes according to his personal conscience...for Gods sakes, we’re on the same side...let it friggin go.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete
 

How very nearsighted of you. The hypocrisy is in y'all = Saying you're conservatives but promoting big federal government and NYC values.

You wouldn't understand Conservatism if it bit you on the ass. You are the adult equivalent of a 6 year old living in your fantasy land and screaming "It's all about me,me,ME,DAMMIT!" to your mommy.

Conservatism is a political philosophy geared towards preserving and protecting the nation as established under the Bill of Rights and the US Constitution. It is NOT about pleasing any one selfish individual that is so bullheaded they refuse to recognize that other people exist,also.

Claiming conservatism and spitting upon the very principles that are its veritable definition.

Look in a mirror when you say that.

I am standing on the very ground I have always stood upon. I have not moved one bitter inch. And I never, ever will.

That just means you are incapable of learning or considering others.

If there is a child about to be hit by a bus, and your plan is to blow bubbles at it, you can bet I will be doing something else.

You will be saying "It's not MY job,man!"