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Area 51 Thousands of Alien Hunters to Storm US Top Secret Area 51 to Search for Extraterrestrial Proof

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The truth hunters, however, have made no secret of their daring plans to seek extraterrestrial guests in an area of Edwards Air Force base that is classified and heavily guarded. They’ve even invited everyone willing to join on Facebook. An earlier attempt to breach the area ended in the death of a trespasser.

Over 165,000 people have indicated that they are going to join an alien hunt at the classified US Air Force base on a Facebook event, titled “Storm Area 51, They Can't Stop All of Us”; while more than 200,000 users have reported themselves as interested.

The storming attempt is scheduled for 20 September, in other words in less than three months.
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“We will all meet up at the Area 51 Alien Center tourist attraction and coordinate our entry. If we Naruto run, we can move faster than their bullets. Lets [sic] see them [sic] aliens”, the hosts described their ambitions with a reference to anime character Naruto Uzumaki, known for his very peculiar running style.

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Area 51 is a ways off from Edwards.  Like in the Atomic Test Site in Nevada. 
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Good grief, that is like giving Iraq weeks of notice before invading it... not the most likely to produce anything (and there is nothing to find anyway)...
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Well, if the water that came to earth eons ago came from outer space like from comets and what not, doesn’t that make us aliens as well?

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Good grief, that is like giving Iraq weeks of notice before invading it... not the most likely to produce anything (and there is nothing to find anyway)...

Their best bet is to invade at the back gate of Area 51, on a Friday afternoon, around 6 PM...we were there a few years ago, and didn't see anybody at the gate. Please be advised that I am NOT recommending breaking into Area 51.

The road from Rachel is about 15 miles, it starts out gravel, then the last few miles are paved. I found that quite interesting, if not creepy.

The Little A'lien Inn serves very good chili, too. Make sure you fill your gas tank before embarking on the Extraterrestrial Highway. There's a warning sign that says "No Gas For 150 Miles".
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Their best bet is to invade at the back gate of Area 51, on a Friday afternoon, around 6 PM...we were there a few years ago, and didn't see anybody at the gate. Please be advised that I am NOT recommending breaking into Area 51.

The road from Rachel is about 15 miles, it starts out gravel, then the last few miles are paved. I found that quite interesting, if not creepy.

The Little A'lien Inn serves very good chili, too. Make sure you fill your gas tank before embarking on the Extraterrestrial Highway. There's a warning sign that says "No Gas For 150 Miles".

Gotta be very good chili if there ain't no gas for 150 miles...
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Good grief, that is like giving Iraq weeks of notice before invading it... not the most likely to produce anything (and there is nothing to find anyway)...
Obama did that. He gave Iraq specific dates, numbers of troops, and a timetable of his surrender of Iraq to ISIS and Iran. The result was ISIS essentially stopped fighting, hunkered down and simply waited for the Americans to leave. Also, since ISIS knew from Obama where and when the troops were going to leave, they were able to formulate attack plans in advance to retake all the areas American abandoned which they did successfully. Thanks Obama.

Hussein gave ISIS and Iran advance information on several American operations in the M.E., banned any assault which may possibly indirectly cause civilian casualties, even if the assault's mission was to prevent civilians from being slaughtered by ISIS. He claimed that this was to make things what he called "fair". Since when is the goal of warfare to be 'fair' with the enemy? He felt that the Americans were so far advanced over the Muslims that it was only fair to give the Muslims a fighting chance.

It is my opinion that Hussein was either a passive supporter of ISIS or at least he was more sympathetic to Iranian and ISIS control of Iraq, than he was to an American victory there. I believe Barack (blessed in Arabic) 'Hussein' (cousin of the Prophet Muhammed) Obama (Muslim tribal affiliation name in Kenya) wanted an Islamic victory over American forces simply to bolster 'Muslim Pride'. If this is not true, then he is the absolute worst military commander in the history of the world.
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I'd wager a spray plane with 'tear gas' would slow all that down, along with a few choice roadblocks and minor obstacles.

It's a beautiful area, in its own way, but it isn't friendly country, and there isn't much water.
(I worked a well about 20 miles east of there many moons ago).
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First of all, it's not a serious attack plan, and everyone knows it. They've already released the date (giving the Feds time to hide anything of value and fortify for the attack, and identify, track and marginalize all of the 400,000 people who have identified themselves as potential subversives) and make mention of "Naruto running" faster than bullets (physically impossible).

Second, if the U.S. government ever decides to commit mass slaughter of thousands of its own citizens solely because it values secrets over its own people, that will be grounds for the worst and bloodiest revolution this country has ever seen.
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First of all, it's not a serious attack plan, and everyone knows it. They've already released the date (giving the Feds time to hide anything of value and fortify for the attack, and identify, track and marginalize all of the 400,000 people who have identified themselves as potential subversives) and make mention of "Naruto running" faster than bullets (physically impossible).

Second, if the U.S. government ever decides to commit mass slaughter of thousands of its own citizens solely because it values secrets over its own people, that will be grounds for the worst and bloodiest revolution this country has ever seen.

It is a call to incite a mob to defy the law.

That, frankly, is insurrection, but even more disturbing is the idea that we can shed the bounds of civility if there is just a big enough mob, and over the most odd reasons.

What's next? Storming strategic missile silos? Naval bases? The Pentagon? CIA Headquarters? Fort Knox? Oil refineries? Nuclear Power Plants? There is a long list of relatively 'soft' targets which are relatively secure and safe as long as there are not scores of idiots running around virtue signalling, and that does not even include the likelihood that there will be people in that crowd who definitely have interests contrary to our nation.  Just a bunch of nitwits breaking things, effing with controls, and damaging critical systems could well lead to disasters that will have serious potential to harm everyone, ultimately, from the people who work and live in the area, to consumers of products at the gas pump. Destruction and theft of research data which might give this country an edge in the next conflict harms us all.

Granted, some of this BS idea was established with the responses to the Fergusson and Baltimore riots, (I said then just wait until other people decide they have "equal rights", too.) and the tacit Obama Administration sanction of the sh*show over the Dakota Access Pipeline, but establishing the concept that a large enough crowd mob means no defense of facilities or the law can be mounted might lead to other even less desirable things. The Oktober Revolution was one such, the SA storming the streets in Germany another. It is dangerous precedent.

Still, a couple of air tractors loaded with nonlethal irritants could well break the back of such an operation without having to engage anyone with lethal force unless relatively small groups manage to circumvent that.
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Still, a couple of air tractors loaded with nonlethal irritants could well break the back of such an operation without having to engage anyone with lethal force unless relatively small groups manage to circumvent that.

Or that sound gun thingy they have that makes you lose your mud...
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Or that sound gun thingy they have that makes you lose your mud...
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Well, if the water that came to earth eons ago came from outer space like from comets and what not, doesn’t that make us aliens as well?

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Nah, Agent Orange will give you cancer, and there aren't that many plants to kill out there. Just aerial applied CS.

If CS is good enough for Branch Davidians holed up in their home, it should be good enough for people outside trying to storm a confidential active military facility
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What? And give up their day job?  (Paid agitators likely)
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Gotta be very good chili if there ain't no gas for 150 miles...

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lol.  I was going to say.  TOO MUCH TIME ON THEIR HANDS.  If they had to struggle for food & survival, they would not be interested in something this stupid.  Their lives have become TOO easy. 

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Road closures/blocks?

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Road closures/blocks?

Naw. Just be on the lookout for herds of fat, pasty white dweebs in tevas, oversized shorts, and pepperoni and cheeto-dust encrusted "I want to Believe" tshirts... very likely strewn along ditches, once the water and their huffers wear out... Heat stroke will get them within a mile of town...

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Road closures/blocks?
There aren't very many roads to close, and when I was in the area, they were not the nicest. With the runways they have, what they need on base can be flown in.

That said, it's desert, and that country isn't very forgiving of idiots.

Even if they bused these fools in, there won't be enough parking, and that's a long, hot walk to anywhere, with no corner stores to get a soda or a bottle of water.

I wonder what the Ecowhackos have to say about a go-zillion fools stomping around in that pristine desert environment. Surely there has to be something they can protect out there.
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There aren't very many roads to close, and when I was in the area, they were not the nicest. With the runways they have, what they need on base can be flown in.

That said, it's desert, and that country isn't very forgiving of idiots.

Even if they bused these fools in, there won't be enough parking, and that's a long, hot walk to anywhere, with no corner stores to get a soda or a bottle of water.

I wonder what the Ecowhackos have to say about a go-zillion fools stomping around in that pristine desert environment. Surely there has to be something they can protect out there.

This kind of Desert is brutal, for sheer temperatures, not to mention the sparsity of plant life.  I'm not far from this, and it's been >115F at the Castle the past several days, and will be for the rest of the week.  There are only two ways into my neighborhood, and other than that it's all foothills and no water for miles around.
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This kind of Desert is brutal, for sheer temperatures, not to mention the sparsity of plant life.  I'm not far from this, and it's been >115F at the Castle the past several days, and will be for the rest of the week.  There are only two ways into my neighborhood, and other than that it's all foothills and no water for miles around.
There was virtually no surface water in the Tikaboo Valley, where we were. I had three spare tires, and two 5 gallon containers full of water in the van whenever I went anywhere (5 for the van, 5 for me).  The one little hike I took off the drilling location to check out a nearby ridge (right after it rained--about .025 inches--everything was blooming), two F-16s did a flyby and checked me out. I just took a pull off the canteen and waved, but I was well outside the fence line, and more interested in the rocks than what was going on to the west.

I'm fair to middlin' in the boonies wherever I go, but some bunch of city slickers who grew up in air conditioning would be in trouble just trying to pack enough water in to stay hydrated. Figure a minimum of a half liter an hour in daylight, and they'd be dehydrating at that rate.
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Here is your opportunity to prove there are (were) aliens from another planet here in the US.

Take water and go with these people to prove you are right.  Surely you will do this as it is easier than proving your belief there are aliens from another planet at their airbase under the South Pole ice. 

I have been to Roswell, NM, and have every book written about it and have a copy of the original newspaper put out in Roswell when the alien UFO crash happened.  It is said the body/bodies of the aliens may now be stored at area 51.  Look for them when you go there.  Let us know what you find if you go with these people.  With so many thousands going there, you will "probably" be safe.

If I were you, and believe as you do, I would go if for no other reason than to see what happens to these many thousands of people.

From your town to Groom Lake is about a 12 hour drive.
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Naw. Just be on the lookout for herds of fat, pasty white dweebs in tevas, oversized shorts, and pepperoni and cheeto-dust encrusted "I want to Believe" tshirts... very likely strewn along ditches, once the water and their huffers wear out... Heat stroke will get them within a mile of town...

Its a shame Lee Ermey won't be there to help them over the perimeter fence.


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Its a shame Lee Ermey won't be there to help them over the perimeter fence.


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I'd like to think you are joking but I think I know you better than that.

Given that you are likely serious if not satirical and cynical, I'll just say:

NOPE. Nonsense. The powers that be will not let such an effort get anywhere. I think the whole project is more than a little absurd.

There's got to be a dozen ways or more to sabotage/prevent such a goal by such a mass of rabble-rowsers.

I don't have any burning, if any at all, need to prove the existence of the critters whether fallen angel or whatever. They are what they are. They will manifest more overtly whenever they will, subject to GOD'S TIMELINE.

My goals at this point are limited.

I want to provide the top less than 1% of information that might be helpful or an update for those who are reasonably well informed on the topic.

I have no need to prove anything to naysayers or greenhorns. I've said tons on this forum already and there are plenty of archives for them to read.

Idiots who pretend that there's no reality whatsoever to the critters or the craft can enjoy their idiocy. Not my problem.

Is the general public at the point where we can say with any significant degree of comprehensive thoroughness the dimensions & specifics of the realities involved? OF COURSE NOT. We are not at that point, yet. We are probably not near that point, yet.

That's just reality.

Is the government, are officials . . . is even Tom DeLonge releasing new levels of disclosure? Wellll, somewhat--tiny bits here & there. Nothing massive or greatly detailed or finely focused.

Disclosure has been incremental for at least 60 years. There may be major leaps in the future. I don't expect any in the next several weeks or even months.

Congrats on your historical readings and library. Impressive.

IIRC, our major disagreement is that you are convinced that some of the critters are wonderful or benign folks. I'm very skeptical that's true.

I think it's more likely that most, if not all, are evil fallen angels pretending to be ET's. IIRC, ALL the various "races" have been documented to LIE, LIE, LIE to humans. And that doesn't even get into their cattle and similar horrific HUMAN mutilations.

I would not encourage folks to invite them in for tea, nor to take any rides with them.

Guy Malone has documented that anyone who has been abducted has some kind of history dabbling in the occult, first.

Thanks for your post.

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Here is your opportunity to prove there are (were) aliens from another planet here in the US.

Take water and go with these people to prove you are right.  Surely you will do this as it is easier than proving your belief there are aliens from another planet at their airbase under the South Pole ice. 

I have been to Roswell, NM, and have every book written about it and have a copy of the original newspaper put out in Roswell when the alien UFO crash happened.  It is said the body/bodies of the aliens may now be stored at area 51.  Look for them when you go there.  Let us know what you find if you go with these people.  With so many thousands going there, you will "probably" be safe.

If I were you, and believe as you do, I would go if for no other reason than to see what happens to these many thousands of people.

From your town to Groom Lake is about a 12 hour drive.
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There was virtually no surface water in the Tikaboo Valley, where we were. I had three spare tires, and two 5 gallon containers full of water in the van whenever I went anywhere (5 for the van, 5 for me).  The one little hike I took off the drilling location to check out a nearby ridge (right after it rained--about .025 inches--everything was blooming), two F-16s did a flyby and checked me out. I just took a pull off the canteen and waved, but I was well outside the fence line, and more interested in the rocks than what was going on to the west.

I'm fair to middlin' in the boonies wherever I go, but some bunch of city slickers who grew up in air conditioning would be in trouble just trying to pack enough water in to stay hydrated. Figure a minimum of a half liter an hour in daylight, and they'd be dehydrating at that rate.

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Area 51 is a ways off from Edwards.  Like in the Atomic Test Site in Nevada. 

Shouldn't this be in Alternate Realities? Not a biggy either way. Just my thought.
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Shouldn't this be in Alternate Realities? Not a biggy either way. Just my thought.
WHile some of the people who think storming a Top Secret installation in the Nevada Desert is a good idea (in mid summer, no less) may well have their own alternate reality on line and spun up, I think the idea that a mob could or even should consider storming that facility is interesting news in and of itself.

Such behaviour could/would set a dangerous precedent which could impact national security and strategic readiness.
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WHile some of the people who think storming a Top Secret installation in the Nevada Desert is a good idea (in mid summer, no less) may well have their own alternate reality on line and spun up, I think the idea that a mob could or even should consider storming that facility is interesting news in and of itself.

Such behaviour could/would set a dangerous precedent which could impact national security and strategic readiness.
Do you know what else is setting a dangerous precedent?

The use of these "top secret installations" to funnel hundreds of billions of dollars out of our federal budget and have ZERO idea how that money, which we don't even have and are borrowing from Red China and God knows where else, is being spent! It's corruption, plain and simple.
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Shouldn't this be in Alternate Realities? Not a biggy either way. Just my thought.
@Quix

That is why I pinged you to this thread - it is your area of interest.

You said, "IIRC, our major disagreement is that you are convinced that some of the critters are wonderful or benign folks. I'm very skeptical that's true."

I believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God, the Holy Spirit.  When Jesus left this earth He told the Apostles He would send the Holy Spirit to believers.  I have had experiences in which only the Holy Spirit could have caused what happened as I have no other explanation as to why it/them happened - these happenings were not evil, only good.  I'll write you about the happenings by email as you do not know these. 

People here do not know our relationship - that we (plus Bob) had a long dinner together in Texas so we know each other and you and I disagree in a number of subjects, but we wish each other well. 

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WHile some of the people who think storming a Top Secret installation in the Nevada Desert is a good idea (in mid summer, no less)... 
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This mob is not going now - they are going in later September.
I don't know what that means in terms of temperature there, but in Texas, we still have summer heat into mid or late October.

Story: I was in the band in high school in east Texas and our uniforms were made of wool.  I dreaded marching in this hot uniform at half time of football games.  One day in October, a cool front came through and I remember being so happy that I would not sweat in the uniform at the Friday night game. 

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Do you know what else is setting a dangerous precedent?

The use of these "top secret installations" to funnel hundreds of billions of dollars out of our federal budget and have ZERO idea how that money, which we don't even have and are borrowing from Red China and God knows where else, is being spent! It's corruption, plain and simple.
Well, Jmyrle, "Provide for the Common Defense" IS right up there in the Preamble of the Constitution.

Doing so includes having a host of places you don't want people stomping around and rubbernecking at will, like missile launch facilities, Nuclear Submarines in port, Airfields (FOD potential), bombing and gunnery ranges, for a start, as well as a lot of technology we'd just rather keep mum so we can pull it out of the hat next time we're in combat with an enemy.

Stealth bombers, thermal sighting, and other goodies, unveiled in combat in the past have been shown to give us a definite edge in conflict.  I have little doubt there are more rabbits in that hat.
While I'm no hawk, and definitely no war monger, the phrase Si vis pacem, para bellum. makes a lot of sense to me.
I can justify our troops having the neatest gee-whiz gear, especially gear that really performs. That isn't cheap.

Is there waste? In anything that large, sure there is. But look at it this way.

A college roommate of mine was a civilian employee at Ft. Eustis (Virginia) in the 1970s. It came to the attention of the base commander that thousands of pens and (nice!) mechanical pencils clearly marked "U.S. Government Property" were leaving the base daily, in purses, pockets, pocket protectors, and the like. A couple of bins were set up at the gates and all such writing implements were required to be surrendered there, and put in the bins. The collection was a massive success, in that several four ft by four ft. by four ft. bins were filled with pens and pencils, requiring forklifts and trucks to haul back.

But someone did the math, on what it would cost to redistribute those pens and pencils, most of which would have come back on base the following day in the pockets, purses, and pocket protectors of those working there. It exceeded the purchase price of the lot. End of exercise.

Yes, some programs seem wasteful. The cost of ammo developed for the Zumwalt's railgun was considered prohibitive to the point the railgun was set aside as originally conceived. But I have to ask you, what would be the value of a serious over the horizon very long range hit on an enemy capital ship? Something they could not shoot back at? Or the same on an onshore target, while remaining a safe distance offshore? Or, to put it differently, what would be the cost of "them" having gone the full nine yards and developed their own, and then being able to invoke the same damage on our vessels which we could not match in range nor accuracy. Hmmmmm. Sometimes not having a capability costs far more than having it.
 
Development isn't cheap, even on the level (without scams or skimming), and prototypes are the most expensive gadgets of all.

The cost of rolling the first Model T off the assembly line was huge, and would have been absolutely prohibitive had production stopped there, because it would have included the cost of the assembly line and tooling. But by the last one, Ford was making a tidy profit at only $360/copy (volume sales).  When we quit making an aircraft after just a few (B-2 Spirit, F-22), a submarine, or just a few shells for a railgun, they are going to be expensive. In quantity, that unit cost drops. As the weapons are upgraded, sometimes the facilities have to be upgraded, too. That costs money, but good maintenance is cheap compared to the lack thereof, and a weapon that doesn't work when it is needed is the most expensive of all. That said, almost all weapons systems have had 'bugs', the more complex the system, the more likely points of failure will be determined which were not foreseen, (like the M-16 and carbon fouling). Modern avionics and weapons systems are orders more complex than their predecessors, and making those systems bullet proof, idiot proof, and battle proof is a challenge.

As for borrowing that money from the Chinese, they are our next most likely opponent in any 'US vs a major power' armed conflict. We've been up against them before, in Korea and Vietnam. Borrowing their money to develop the weapons systems to beat them works for me.

But borrow that money (or rob our working folks) to feed the masses who won't (not can't, but won't) work, feed anyone who storms the border, buy friends in distant places who aren't (friends), and a huge host of other things the Federal Government does, are not Constitutionally authorized, and are the sort of thing better handled by the private sector from donated funds, (although some of that gee whiz military stuff gets used in relief efforts as well, like generating electricity and potable water after the Boxing Day Earthquake).

So borrowing money from the Chinese to suck up to special interest groups for votes (regardless of Party), with grand government giveaways right here at home seems an even more dangerous precedent to me.
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The weirdest side effect of all this that the military are 'loving it!'. This scenario, real or not, has caused them to review all their security defenses and procedures. The Cheetos-head internet nerds could not have done them a bigger favor. Military security is always coming up with new scenarios, new possibilities that may slip by. And here the internet drops one on their lap. Well...um...dudes...and dudetts...what if we got like, 100,000 people and just swarmed your ass! What then...man?

The military sits back and thinks and says....you know what? You're right. Let me think on that for a couple of months and get ready. By the way, great security game. Thanks for bringing it up.
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