NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law

[Frank Cannon]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-10/nj-voters-furious-governor-murphy-prepares-sign-rain-tax-law

The 'rain tax', which is largely supported by Democrats and largely opposed by Republicans, would allow towns, counties and local authorities to set up their own storm water utilities. These newly created arms of local bureaucracy would be empowered to charge property owners a fee based on the amount of non-permeable surface they own (think: parking lots and driveways). The logic behind this is that non-permeable surfaces create runoff when it rains, and that runoff gets polluted as it travels from these surfaces into local sewers, and then on to the state's water ways. The revenue generated by these taxes would be used to upgrade the state's storm water systems, and save the state's already polluted waters from further pollution (though the state would step in and scoop up 5% of all revenues).

The EPA, according to an op-ed published by North Jersey.com, has estimated that a complete overhaul of NJ's stormwater systems would cost $15.6 billion.

But unfortunately for Democrats, while taxing the rich might be in vogue among 2020 presidential contenders (because focus groups have suggested that raising taxes on other people remains a politically popular position), very few middle-class voters in a state that is already one of the most heavily taxed in the country want another massive tax levied on their driveway.

[Sanguine]

Strange time.  High tax states going for broke.

[skeeter]

Strange time.  High tax states going for broke.

They certainly are in CA.

Thirty years ago I'd expect incensed taxpayers to swing things back to the right.

But critical mass has been achieved, demographically, and that is no longer a possibility.

[Frank Cannon]

Strange time.  High tax states going for broke.

They have to because they are broke. All the builders in Eastern PA are now advertising for NJ dopes to move across the river to PA to save huge on taxes. Now we're going to be flooded with a bunch of Lib voters who do not want to live under the oppressive govt' they supported in the first place.

[Sanguine]

They have to because they are broke. All the builders in Eastern PA are now advertising for NJ dopes to move across the river to PA to save huge on taxes. Now we're going to be flooded with a bunch of Lib voters who do not want to live under the oppressive govt' they supported in the first place.

I do feel sympathy, I really do.  Since Texas has been inundated by them.

[Gefn]

Ugh. I saw this last week. It’s really going to hit as all the snow expected this week melts.

I’ve already told my mom I’m going to move when she’s no longer here.

My alma mater is having a reunion in May and I’m amazed at the number of people counting the days (and years) til they are 62 or 65 or even 60 so they can retire and move to Florida or New Mexico or Arizona and out of NJ.

My sister is looking at places in Denver. I won’t move there, I’m looking at some other place. Haven’t a clue but it can’t be Florida. I need dry heat and preferably all four seasons.

[Sanguine]

Ugh. I saw this last week. It’s really going to hit as all the snow expected this week melts.

I’ve already told my mom I’m going to move when she’s no longer here.

My alma mater is having a reunion in May and I’m amazed at the number of people counting the days (and years) til they are 62 or 65 or even 60 so they can retire and move to Florida or New Mexico or Arizona and out of NJ.

My sister is looking at places in Denver. I won’t move there, I’m looking at some other place. Haven’t a clue but it can’t be Florida. I need dry heat and preferably all four seasons.

Northern Arizona might do.  Ask @Cyber Liberty about it.

[Frank Cannon]

Ugh. I saw this last week. It’s really going to hit as all the snow expected this week melts.

I’ve already told my mom I’m going to move when she’s no longer here.

My alma mater is having a reunion in May and I’m amazed at the number of people counting the days (and years) til they are 62 or 65 or even 60 so they can retire and move to Florida or New Mexico or Arizona and out of NJ.

My sister is looking at places in Denver. I won’t move there, I’m looking at some other place. Haven’t a clue but it can’t be Florida. I need dry heat and preferably all four seasons.

Please tell your friends and neighbors that PA is openly hostile to people with yellow plates. Also tell them that PA is a gun friendly state and we like to wave them around. Then tell them FL and TX is nice this time of year.

[Cyber Liberty]

Northern Arizona might do.  Ask @Cyber Liberty about it.

The part of Northern AZ where we live now is actually hotter than Phoenix, but most of the North is high elevation, is much cooler, and has a few Skiing Resorts because they get a lot of snow.  The North Rim of the Grand Canyon gets over 200" of snow per year.

Not a lot of places for non-Indians to live, though...it's mostly Navajo Res.

[bigheadfred]

Ugh. I saw this last week. It’s really going to hit as all the snow expected this week melts.

I’ve already told my mom I’m going to move when she’s no longer here.

My alma mater is having a reunion in May and I’m amazed at the number of people counting the days (and years) til they are 62 or 65 or even 60 so they can retire and move to Florida or New Mexico or Arizona and out of NJ.

My sister is looking at places in Denver. I won’t move there, I’m looking at some other place. Haven’t a clue but it can’t be Florida. I need dry heat and preferably all four seasons.

Take a look at Boise. The midwest is too flat for me. The left coast is out. Northern AZ is probably good. Southern Utah too lonely. I don't know if you are arrogant enough to be a Texan.

[Sanguine]

Take a look at Boise. The midwest is too flat for me. The left coast is out. Northern AZ is probably good. Southern Utah too lonely. I don't know if you are arrogant enough to be a Texan.

 

[Cyber Liberty]

Take a look at Boise. The midwest is too flat for me. The left coast is out. Northern AZ is probably good. Southern Utah too lonely. I don't know if you are arrogant enough to be a Texan.

[Hoodat]

Sorry, not seeing the part where NJ voters are furious.  I thought they liked higher taxes.  They keep voting for them again and again and again.

[corbe]

   I resemble that remark @bigheadfred

[RoosGirl]

Please tell your friends and neighbors that PA is openly hostile to people with yellow plates. Also tell them that PA is a gun friendly state and we like to wave them around. Then tell them FL and TX is nice this time of year.

Yes, but hot and humid the other 364 days of the year in Florida.  Plus, we have the Stand Your Ground law and it's like the Wild West here.  Don't know why anyone would want to move here.

[Sanguine]

The part of Northern AZ where we live now is actually hotter than Phoenix, but most of the North is high elevation, is much cooler, and has a few Skiing Resorts because they get a lot of snow.  The North Rim of the Grand Canyon gets over 200" of snow per year.

Not a lot of places for non-Indians to live, though...it's mostly Navajo Res.

What about Flagstaff?

[corbe]

   Texas has larger cockroaches and many mehicans so I'd rule that out too (except for @Freya )

[Sanguine]

   Texas has larger cockroaches and many mehicans so I'd rule that out too (except for @Freya )

Those are palmetto bugs, just ask @RoosGirl (or, my grandmother, were she still with us.  She would never call them cockroaches.)

[bigheadfred]

What about Flagstaff?

Flagstaff=Alpine country.

[RoosGirl]

Those are palmetto bugs, just ask @RoosGirl (or, my grandmother, were she still with us.  She would never call them cockroaches.)

Palmetto Bug makes people feel better about you having them as pets.

[Sanguine]

Flagstaff=Alpine country.

Yes, I love it there.  Beautiful place.

[bigheadfred]

Those are palmetto bugs, just ask @RoosGirl (or, my grandmother, were she still with us.  She would never call them cockroaches.)

Call them anything you want. Except 'dinner".

[bigheadfred]

Palmetto Bug makes people feel better about you having them as pets.

Pets being the keyword.

[RoosGirl]

Call them anything you want. Except 'dinner".

The hell you say!
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-think-we-should-start-drinking-cockroach-milk-superfood

[Sanguine]

Call them anything you want. Except 'dinner".

Ugh.  They're the one thing that can make me scream like a girl.  Icky, icky.

[Sanguine]

The hell you say!
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-think-we-should-start-drinking-cockroach-milk-superfood

That is truly disgusting.  Blech!

[corbe]

   The big ones that live in Trees AND Fly bug the crap out of me, my long frizzy hair must be a magnet of sorts.

[RoosGirl]

   The big ones that live in Trees AND Fly bug the crap out of me, my long frizzy hair must be a magnet of sorts.

They're always looking for new places to nest.

[Cyber Liberty]

What about Flagstaff?

Flagstaff is a fairly small University city.  Pretty leftist (like Austin but a lot smaller), but you don't have to travel far outside of Flag for a better perspective.  Williams, for example (Gateway to the Grand Canyon).

[Cyber Liberty]

They're always looking for new places to nest.

And drag their poop.  One of the reasons I like using Boric Acid to control them...they pick up the wonderful poison on their bodies and then drag it back to their pals by themselves so I don't have to.  There's something oddly satisfying about making them the instruments of their own destruction.

[240B]

Daylight robbery: Portugal set to levy tax on sunshine

IrishExaminer
Dan Buckley
Monday, October 10, 2016

In Portugal they call it ‘um ruobo’ or ‘daylight robbery’ and it is little wonder, as the government is proposing to tax something the country has in abundance — sunshine.

The amount of exposure to the sun and beautiful views are the focus of a new council tax which authorities in Portugal say is aimed at making the country more “socially just”.

It is already about as popular as water charges in Ireland. While we do not enjoy almost endless sunshine, the Portuguese tax is akin to a window tax introduced here and in England 300 years ago, inspiring the term ‘daylight robbery’.

(more)
https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/daylight-robbery-portugal-set-to-levy-tax-on-sunshine-424948.html

Tax the rain. Tax the sunshine. Tax the tax you pay. Tax the very air you breath.
What happens when they run out of other people's money? -- Greece.

Eventually it will get to the point where people simply cannot pay 'tax'. And therefore, they just won't.
What happens when the tax rate gets to 110% of your income? - Venezuela

[dfwgator]

You get what you vote for.

Embrace the suck!

[Hoodat]

What about Flagstaff?

Best pho I ever had was in Flagstaff.  Drove 65 miles out of the way to get it.

[Cyber Liberty]

You get what you vote for.

Embrace the suck!

Close but no ceegar.  I get what the morons surrounding me voted for, not what I voted for. 

[bigheadfred]

The hell you say!
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-think-we-should-start-drinking-cockroach-milk-superfood

They could be onto something. I have long championed rescuing the most endangered species on the planet. It is also the fastest land animal in the world.

[Cyber Liberty]

Best pho I ever had was in Flagstaff.  Drove 65 miles out of the way to get it.

Photo?  Yes, it's a great place that way, especially with a fresh layer of powdery snow resting on the branches of the Pines.  It's has nice features in the Summer, too.

[Cyber Liberty]

They could be onto something. I have long championed rescuing the most endangered species on the planet. It is also the fastest land animal in the world.

If you can get them before I kill them all....

[240B]

The hell you say!
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-think-we-should-start-drinking-cockroach-milk-superfood

The problem with this plan is that it takes 10,000,000 of them to get a cup of milk, you cannot herd them, and the dairies are super tiny, so it is difficult to hook the females up to it.

[Wingnut]

Those are palmetto bugs, just ask @RoosGirl (or, my grandmother, were she still with us.  She would never call them cockroaches.)

The Palmetto Bug is our State Bird.

[bigheadfred]

If you can get them before I kill them all....

I ain't talking about cockroaches per se, just their milk. Don't you know what the fastest land animal in the world is?

[bigheadfred]

The problem with this plan is that it takes 10,000,000 of them to get a cup of milk, you cannot herd them, and the dairies are super tiny, so it is difficult to hook the females up to it.

They are trying to infect yeast with it. Yeast will be on the rise. Just think how grand it would be to survive from a yeast infection.

[Cyber Liberty]

I ain't talking about cockroaches per se, just their milk. Don't you know what the fastest land animal in the world is?

I suppose I don't.  Cheetahs are pretty fast mammals, but some insect could be if one scaled down the sizes/distances involved.  To me, that would be cheating. 

Regardless, there won't be cockroach milk if I can get to the roaches first.

[Cyber Liberty]

They are trying to infect yeast with it. Yeast will be on the rise. Just think how grand it would be to survive from a yeast infection.

 

[Frank Cannon]

I just paid a pilot to drop these leaflets on the NJ population before they start getting ideas to head west.....

[RoosGirl]

I just paid a pilot to drop these leaflets on the NJ population before they start getting ideas to head west.....

Oh, you want to send them to Miami (Natives pronounce it "Mia-muh" btw)?  You should have said so, that's not part of Florida anymore.

[Frank Cannon]

Oh, you want to send them to Miami (Natives pronounce it "Mia-muh" btw)?  You should have said so, that's not part of Florida anymore.

Who owns it now? The Cubans or Mexico?

[RoosGirl]

Who owns it now? The Cubans or Mexico?

I think Cuba and Haiti are in negotiations.

[Jazzhead]

Northern Arizona might do.  Ask @Cyber Liberty about it.

I've thought for some time now that Flagstaff might be an ideal place to retire.

[Frank Cannon]

I think Cuba and Haiti are in negotiations.

That's too bad. They make good sandwiches.

[Cyber Liberty]

I've thought for some time now that Flagstaff might be an ideal place to retire.

Sure, if you don't mind snow.  We live just down the I-40 from there now (past Kingman, or as I call it, "Timothy McVeighville").  If you decide to come here, I'll keep the bar open.

If you like the heat (110-115 in June-July), I'd recommend Tempe, near Phoenix.  It's a college town much like Flag, without the nice scenery.  That's the city next to where I've been located since I moved to AZ in 1980.