They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I don't have a problem with ANI robots. They are developing robots that can pick crops. You get a robot that can pick broccoli and strawberries there wouldn't be any huge need to have people coming over the border to do those jobs Americans won't.

It is when you start applying AGI to control people that I have the problem. That is what their ultimate goal is. A police surveillance state (IMO). And ASI will be the worst because I don't think they can control it. They might not be able to control AGI yet. What we read in the news is all old hat.

The thing is is that whoever wins the AI race could rule the cyber world. Which is about the whole damn pie.

Cybersecurity is really going to be a problem. I posted an article here.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,353865.msg1933891.html#msg1933891

Ani robots?

[bigheadfred]

Ani robots?

Artificial Narrow Intelligence: ANI systems can attend to a task in real-time, but they pull information from a specific data-set. As a result, these systems don’t perform outside of the single task that they are designed to perform.

AGI: Artificial General intelligence or “Strong” AI refers to machines that exhibit human intelligence. In other words, AGI can successfully perform any intellectual task that a human being can. This is the sort of AI that we see in movies like “Her” or other sci-fi movies in which humans interact with machines and operating systems that are conscious, sentient, and driven by emotion and self-awareness.

ASI: Artificial Super Intelligence  will surpass human intelligence in all aspects — from creativity, to general wisdom, to problem-solving. Machines will be capable of exhibiting intelligence that we haven’t seen in the brightest amongst us. This is the type of AI that many people are worried about, and the type of AI that people like Elon Musk think will lead to the extinction of the human race.

[Bigun]

ASI: Artificial Super Intelligence  will surpass human intelligence in all aspects — from creativity, to general wisdom, to problem-solving. Machines will be capable of exhibiting intelligence that we haven’t seen in the brightest amongst us. This is the type of AI that many people are worried about, and the type of AI that people like Elon Musk think will lead to the extinction of the human race.

From where will such man-made machines glen this "super" intelligence?  That intrigues me.

[roamer_1]

I have 2 cats, one a tabby and one fluffy that sheds a lot. The downstairs roomba 530 has lasted since I bought it in 2008, it still gets the floor clean. Every few weeks I have to take off the side brush and unwind hairs.

Basically all I do is press 2 buttons. Beats vacuuming.

No, you just don't understand what you get when you combine the words 'Malamute' and 'shedding'. Women who know have already run screaming from the room.

[Cyber Liberty]

No, you just don't understand what you get when you combine the words 'Malamute' and 'shedding'. Women who know have already run screaming from the room.

I can imagine.  I had a Samoyed once.  Mrs. Liberty brought a large German Shepard from Cali when she moved to Phoenix..that big boy knew how to shed.  After we replaced the carpet with tile we started getting football sized hair bunnies in the corners, which were much easier to pick up than vacuuming the carpets.

[Sanguine]

No, you just don't understand what you get when you combine the words 'Malamute' and 'shedding'. Women who know have already run screaming from the room.

I agree.  I have a Great Pyrenees/Border Collie.  It's absolutely amazing.  Even in the winter time when you would think shedding would not be occurring, I have to unwind fur off of the roller every time I use the auto vacuum. 

[bigheadfred]

From where will such man-made machines glen this "super" intelligence?  That intrigues me.

By the time they get there this ASI will be able to analyze data from the quantum level to the macroscopic. Science is tending towards evidence that the universe is too well ordered to have come about by chance. I think the fear is an ASI will decide human beings are too anomalous. Too inefficient as far as operating systems go. And to make for a more perfect world, life, all life, will need to be eliminated. And the machines will rule.

[Cyber Liberty]

I agree.  I have a Great Pyrenees/Border Collie.  It's absolutely amazing.  Even in the winter time when you would think shedding would not be occurring, I have to unwind fur off of the roller every time I use the auto vacuum.

We have a special vacuum for cat hair. It has rubber bristles and a hurricane canister.  Even though the Castle has central vac, we'll still need the pet vac.  I think the central has some problems so I'll end up needing to disassemble the unit in the garage to see if I can find the issue.   

[roamer_1]

And to make for a more perfect world, life, all life, will need to be eliminated. And the machines will rule.

Nah.
D00d. You can unplug it. That is a crazy big handicap.

What you should be looking at is in when it gets to that point, why WON'T ppl just unplug?
And don't get me wrong, they won't.

[bigheadfred]

Get a Yorkie.

[Sanguine]

And, we're missing something about intelligence. Human intelligence (such as it is) is more than just running as many variables as possible and coming up with the most likely plan of success.  I'm not sure what it is that humans have that machines won't.  Maybe it's the ability to make seemingly meaningless connections and build from that? 

[bigheadfred]

Nah.
D00d. You can unplug it. That is a crazy big handicap.

What you should be looking at is in when it gets to that point, why WON'T ppl just unplug?
And don't get me wrong, they won't.

They won't. I have been trying to add enough info in this thread to show that without adding too much prophecy.

[bigheadfred]

And, we're missing something about intelligence. Human intelligence (such as it is) is more than just running as many variables as possible and coming up with the most likely plan of success.  I'm not sure what it is that humans have that machines won't.  Maybe it's the ability to make seemingly meaningless connections and build from that?

I'm not sure what it is that humans have that machines won't.

It is called FREE WILL.

[roamer_1]

I can imagine.  I had a Samoyed once.  Mrs. Liberty brought a large German Shepard from Cali when she moved to Phoenix..that big boy knew how to shed.  After we replaced the carpet with tile we started getting football sized hair bunnies in the corners, which were much easier to pick up than vacuuming the carpets.

Actually a Malamute is different. They don't shed all that bad until they do. But when they do, it is completely ridiculous. For about two weeks it is simply unreal... Like a grocery bag a day of hair. and the whole floor is gray by noon anyway... It is an amazing amount of hair. I have often threatened to card it and spin it, and knit a sweater every year, because I really do think you could, and then some.

[Cyber Liberty]

Actually a Malamute is different. They don't shed all that bad until they do. But when they do, it is completely ridiculous. For about two weeks it is simply unreal... Like a grocery bag a day of hair. and the whole floor is gray by noon anyway... It is an amazing amount of hair. I have often threatened to card it and spin it, and knit a sweater every year, because I really do think you could, and then some.

Yup.

[bigheadfred]

Just to try and complete the entire scope here.

Can't have dogs without ponies. WTH kind of thread would that be?

[bigheadfred]

Can you tell which pony is real and which one is fake?

[Sanguine]

Can you tell which pony is real and which one is fake?

No, which one, Fred?

[bigheadfred]

No, which one, Fred?

well duh. You're trying to trick me.

It is the third one in the picture. The invisible one. The one only you can see. The one that exists only in your imagination.

 

[QueenCatofAragon]

I can imagine.  I had a Samoyed once.  Mrs. Liberty brought a large German Shepard from Cali when she moved to Phoenix..that big boy knew how to shed.  After we replaced the carpet with tile we started getting football sized hair bunnies in the corners, which were much easier to pick up than vacuuming the carpets.

@Cyber Liberty

I adore big dogs—Malamutes, Rotties, Dobermans—and Shepherds are my favorite.  My sister-in-law owned a Schutzhund Shepherd, a protection dog.  I loved him so damn much.  He was trained like a soldier, all commands in German, and heaven help you if you made a false move around the family, especially the women.  Once when a workman came into the kitchen, that baby sat down on top of my feet, facing the guy and growling until SIL called him off.   She had to vacuum every day to keep his fur from taking over.   

I’m kind of a neat freak...whenever I would sit down on the floor that big furry brat would crawl in my lap and cover me with hair.  I never minded.  I miss that dog. 

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cyber Liberty

I adore big dogs—Malamutes, Rotties, Dobermans—and Shepherds are my favorite.  My sister-in-law owned a Schutzhund Shepherd, a protection dog.  I loved him so damn much.  He was trained like a soldier, all commands in German, and heaven help you if you made a false move around the family, especially the women.  Once when a workman came into the kitchen, that baby sat down on top of my feet, facing the guy and growling until SIL called him off.   She had to vacuum every day to keep his fur from taking over.   

I’m kind of a neat freak...whenever I would sit down on the floor that big furry brat would crawl in my lap and cover me with hair.  I never minded.  I miss that dog.

I miss my old Sammy's smile. 

[roamer_1]

Can you tell which pony is real

The left one.

and which one is fake?

The left one.

[bigheadfred]

The left one.

The left one.

Right.

Right.

The left one out.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

No, you just don't understand what you get when you combine the words 'Malamute' and 'shedding'. Women who know have already run screaming from the room.

That may be the case, absolutely. But I own a little fluffball with claws kitty who leaves tufts of hair all over the house, and the robot still works great picking them up, even after a decade of usage. Roombas are some of the most repairable technology out there (compared to say an Iphone/Ipad), and I've replaces quite a few parts.

One button and the thing will clean up the hair on the rug and then charge itself.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Artificial Narrow Intelligence: ANI systems can attend to a task in real-time, but they pull information from a specific data-set. As a result, these systems don’t perform outside of the single task that they are designed to perform.

AGI: Artificial General intelligence or “Strong” AI refers to machines that exhibit human intelligence. In other words, AGI can successfully perform any intellectual task that a human being can. This is the sort of AI that we see in movies like “Her” or other sci-fi movies in which humans interact with machines and operating systems that are conscious, sentient, and driven by emotion and self-awareness.

ASI: Artificial Super Intelligence  will surpass human intelligence in all aspects — from creativity, to general wisdom, to problem-solving. Machines will be capable of exhibiting intelligence that we haven’t seen in the brightest amongst us. This is the type of AI that many people are worried about, and the type of AI that people like Elon Musk think will lead to the extinction of the human race.

Thank you for this. Yeah I don't want a robot that acts like a person. That's why I bought a robot, because people suck, lol.

[QueenCatofAragon]

I miss my old Sammy's smile.

They never leave your heart.

[Bigun]

This just in!

HACKED SEX ROBOTS COULD MURDER PEOPLE, SECURITY EXPERT WARNS

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

iRobot: Consumer Robotics At Its Best

iRobot: Consumer Robotics At Its Best
Mar. 11, 2019 3:48 PM ET|1 comment  | About: iRobot Corporation (IRBT)
The Fundamental Investor   
The Fundamental Investor
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(59 followers)
Summary
The consumer robotics segment should have explosive growth in the next five years due to a number of factors.

This year iRobot will launch its robotic lawnmower with advance capabilities. several new versions of existing products will also be rolled out.

The product suite is excellent and provides huge cash and time savings.

iRobot already has a significant share in the market. If guidance is achieved market share will expand.

A number of competitors are out there but iRobot maintains an exclusive focus on consumer robotics.

A Growth Landscape

[bigheadfred]

There is some information I will post concerning this thread.

Perhaps it is "off" the title.

A couple of vids. Some articles.

Say, most of it is concerning censorship, algorithms, free speech, information.

As a deep study I am a people watcher. I am a person who has a deep interest in anthropomorphism.

Yeah. I am watching you. Who has my six and which will be six deep and/or deep sixed.

You are programmed. And or still being programmed.

There is a concerted effort to align your thought process(es) to the algorithms through media. Not so much this forum. But through the consortium(s) of the big ones. Google. AKA Alphabet. Twitter. Invest the time to see who is funding who. Both @QueenCatofAragon And @Axeslinger have both made comments concerning your info input/out here/there. This is not judgmental on my part. Twitter/Facebook. You "follow" that shit all you are is a follower.

I have studied history. As a buff of the what if I call myself a friend of @Quix.

The major media platforms are in collusion to present reality, your reality, as they see fit(s). ALL of them.

Even the "old" school(s). E. Brittanica. The books we had as resource material when I was in school. It is gone. Replaced.  Wikipedia is run and edited by people who present their truth as fact. All of them are doing this. Snopes--ha ha ha choke spit.

Pundits. ha ha ha choke spit.

The age of the deepest dark is upon you. Take the time to discern the truth. I know most of you on this forum are intelligent, perceptual, and discerning.

Of all the computer programs. Of all their algorithms. Their case studies. Their whatever.

Blast me for this next all you want. It won't change the truth. It won't change me.

However you perceive the Bible. Written by someone other than G-D?, there is an algorithm embedded in the text that supersedes. Suss it out.

And then FIGHT.

Or keep on the keeping on. Your nothingness.

[Quix]

There is some information I will post concerning this thread.

Perhaps it is "off" the title.

A couple of vids. Some articles.

Say, most of it is concerning censorship, algorithms, free speech, information.

As a deep study I am a people watcher. I am a person who has a deep interest in anthropomorphism.

Yeah. I am watching you. Who has my six and which will be six deep and/or deep sixed.

You are programmed. And or still being programmed.

There is a concerted effort to align your thought process(es) to the algorithms through media. Not so much this forum. But through the consortium(s) of the big ones. Google. AKA Alphabet. Twitter. Invest the time to see who is funding who. Both @QueenCatofAragon And @Axeslinger have both made comments concerning your info input/out here/there. This is not judgmental on my part. Twitter/Facebook. You "follow" that shit all you are is a follower.

I have studied history. As a buff of the what if I call myself a friend of @Quix.

The major media platforms are in collusion to present reality, your reality, as they see fit(s). ALL of them.

Even the "old" school(s). E. Brittanica. The books we had as resource material when I was in school. It is gone. Replaced.  Wikipedia is run and edited by people who present their truth as fact. All of them are doing this. Snopes--ha ha ha choke spit.

Pundits. ha ha ha choke spit.

The age of the deepest dark is upon you. Take the time to discern the truth. I know most of you on this forum are intelligent, perceptual, and discerning.

Of all the computer programs. Of all their algorithms. Their case studies. Their whatever.

Blast me for this next all you want. It won't change the truth. It won't change me.

However you perceive the Bible. Written by someone other than G-D?, there is an algorithm embedded in the text that supersedes. Suss it out.

And then FIGHT.

Or keep on the keeping on. Your nothingness.

Thanks for your wise words.

Not exactly certain of what you are saying re the Bible. I'm very firmly still convinced that Heaven & Earth will pass away but God's Word will not and will remain powerful & operant through endless ages.

Am re-reading Isaiah . . . am noticing some heavenly beings and goings on verses that I didn't catch in my previous readings. Interesting. All very cryptic but still--not an aspect of conventional Christianity I've ever heard taught--except maybe by Dr Chuck Missler, L.A. Marzulli et al

Thanks for your meaty post.

I consider you a great friend. Much appreciate you. You are a treasure.

[bigheadfred]

Thanks for your wise words.

Not exactly certain of what you are saying re the Bible. I'm very firmly still convinced that Heaven & Earth will pass away but God's Word will not and will remain powerful & operant through endless ages.

Am re-reading Isaiah . . . am noticing some heavenly beings and goings on verses that I didn't catch in my previous readings. Interesting. All very cryptic but still--not an aspect of conventional Christianity I've ever heard taught--except maybe by Dr Chuck Missler, L.A. Marzulli et al

Thanks for your meaty post.

I consider you a great friend. Much appreciate you. You are a treasure.

There is nothing new. Or, there is nothing that is not known--merely-hmmm-written-rewritten

Ohh..men

omen ahh... men

amen

The fruition of the deceit is at hand. People say they know the difference. I am saying they don't.

The next best thing is going to take your soul. They will create life. But they cannot create a soul. Don't give it away. Don't give it away.

Now I will be judgmental. And that is an affirmation to the most man she ever felt was alive.

[Sanguine]

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1

[roamer_1]

There is nothing new. Or, there is nothing that is not known--merely-hmmm-written-rewritten

The fruition of the deceit is at hand. People say they know the difference. I am saying they don't.

More than you know.

[QueenCatofAragon]

Both @QueenCatofAragon And @Axeslinger have both made comments concerning your info input/out here/there. This is not judgmental on my part. Twitter/Facebook. You "follow" that shit all you are is a follower.

@bigheadfred

Fred, if you're having a bad night, I'm sorry, but don't direct your shit my way, okay?  My online habits aren't your business.

Now I'm going to go tweet.

[Smokin Joe]

There is some information I will post concerning this thread.

Perhaps it is "off" the title.

A couple of vids. Some articles.

Say, most of it is concerning censorship, algorithms, free speech, information.

As a deep study I am a people watcher. I am a person who has a deep interest in anthropomorphism.

Yeah. I am watching you. Who has my six and which will be six deep and/or deep sixed.

You are programmed. And or still being programmed.

There is a concerted effort to align your thought process(es) to the algorithms through media. Not so much this forum. But through the consortium(s) of the big ones. Google. AKA Alphabet. Twitter. Invest the time to see who is funding who. Both @QueenCatofAragon And @Axeslinger have both made comments concerning your info input/out here/there. This is not judgmental on my part. Twitter/Facebook. You "follow" that shit all you are is a follower.

I have studied history. As a buff of the what if I call myself a friend of @Quix.

The major media platforms are in collusion to present reality, your reality, as they see fit(s). ALL of them.

Even the "old" school(s). E. Brittanica. The books we had as resource material when I was in school. It is gone. Replaced.  Wikipedia is run and edited by people who present their truth as fact. All of them are doing this. Snopes--ha ha ha choke spit.

Pundits. ha ha ha choke spit.

The age of the deepest dark is upon you. Take the time to discern the truth. I know most of you on this forum are intelligent, perceptual, and discerning.

Of all the computer programs. Of all their algorithms. Their case studies. Their whatever.

Blast me for this next all you want. It won't change the truth. It won't change me.

However you perceive the Bible. Written by someone other than G-D?, there is an algorithm embedded in the text that supersedes. Suss it out.

And then FIGHT.

Or keep on the keeping on. Your nothingness.

People don't know enough about what they don't know to ask a question, even if they knew they didn't know it.
Me, the more I learn, the less I know. Every answer brings more questions.
But behind it all is that light, that universal truth, that does not change.

[Axeslinger]

@bigheadfred

Fred, if you're having a bad night, I'm sorry, but don't direct your shit my way, okay?  My online habits aren't your business.

Now I'm going to go tweet.

@QueenCatofAragon  I couldn’t even understand what the hell he was saying...and I certainly don’t know how I got dragged into it.

[QueenCatofAragon]

@QueenCatofAragon  I couldn’t even understand what the hell he was saying...and I certainly don’t know how I got dragged into it.

@Axeslinger

I just don’t have a lot of patience with this conspiracy stuff anymore.  It’s becoming way too common.  Elsewhere I saw someone claim that Clinton bathes in the blood of infants to stay young (well, it ain’t working!).  Someone challenged her on it and she screamed that she was going to doxx him.  We have got to get a grip.

[bigheadfred]

@bigheadfred

Fred, if you're having a bad night, I'm sorry, but don't direct your shit my way, okay?  My online habits aren't your business.

Now I'm going to go tweet.

Twitter can cause information overload. Too much going on to put it into coherency.

You are correct. Get a grip.

[QueenCatofAragon]

Twitter can cause information overload. Too much going on to put it into coherency.

You are correct. Get a grip.

@bigheadfred

Did I stutter?  Mind your business, Fred.

[bigheadfred]

@bigheadfred

Did I stutter?  Mind your business, Fred.

 

[QueenCatofAragon]

You like putting me in the sights, don’t you 🤨😂

[bigheadfred]

You like putting me in the sights, don’t you 🤨😂

No, you misunderstand. Both you and @Axeslinger made a comment or comments in relation to the visibility of TBR compared to Twitter or other sites.

What I am trying to tell you is that immersion into huge social media platforms can cause a process that ANY person's brain can't keep up with or compute.

There is a concerted effort on the part of the MSM, Facebook, Twitter, Wikipedia, etc. to only allow content that fits their rules. But no one knows what those rules really are.

It is a part of this thread to suggest those media platforms are using or will figure out how to sway people's minds to "their" way of thinking.

I should keep files like @Bigun does. Too many things going down a bottomless rabbit hole never to be seen again. Something I noticed ten or twelve years ago researching info on a subject that is now taboo. Posting over at TOS.

I am replying on this thread to comments made on other threads I deem relevant.

Mind my own business? Don't post comments anywhere if you think a reply is some sort of attack.

[bigheadfred]

People need to wake up to dangers of AI, warns Hong Kong professor and Google ethics adviser

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi6y_3rxLLhAhWD_1QKHTc0DMEQFjABegQIBhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scmp.com%2Ftech%2Fbig-tech%2Farticle%2F3004340%2Fpeople-need-wake-dangers-ai-warns-hong-kong-professor-and-google&usg=AOvVaw3Ge7K9Y-UXxNSGpY994VYL

De Kai was named by Google as one of eight members of its Advanced Technology External Advisory Council on AI

With artificial intelligence gradually creeping into more areas of human existence, from surveillance to health scans to McDonald’s menus, one Hong Kong professor has added his voice to those such as Tesla founder Elon Musk that advise humanity to tread cautiously with the new technology.

“AI is the single most disruptive force that humanity has ever encountered and my concern is that so much of the discussion that we hear about now is very incremental,” said De Kai, a professor at the Department of Computer Science and Engineering at Hong Kong University of Science and Technology, in an interview this week. “We are near an era when people can easily produce weapons such as fleets of armed AI drones … the cat is out of the bag.”

[sneakypete]

Do we get to pick the human?

[bigheadfred]

Do we get to pick the human?

Nope. It was decided on before we had a choice.

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

People need to wake up to dangers of AI, warns Hong Kong professor and Google ethics adviser

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi6y_3rxLLhAhWD_1QKHTc0DMEQFjABegQIBhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scmp.com%2Ftech%2Fbig-tech%2Farticle%2F3004340%2Fpeople-need-wake-dangers-ai-warns-hong-kong-professor-and-google&usg=AOvVaw3Ge7K9Y-UXxNSGpY994VYL

De Kai was named by Google as one of eight members of its Advanced Technology External Advisory Council on AI

With artificial intelligence gradually creeping into more areas of human existence, from surveillance to health scans to McDonald’s menus, one Hong Kong professor has added his voice to those such as Tesla founder Elon Musk that advise humanity to tread cautiously with the new technology.

“AI is the single most disruptive force that humanity has ever encountered and my concern is that so much of the discussion that we hear about now is very incremental,” said De Kai, a professor at the Department of Computer Science and Engineering at Hong Kong University of Science and Technology, in an interview this week. “We are near an era when people can easily produce weapons such as fleets of armed AI drones … the cat is out of the bag.”

Oh, that is rich.

[bigheadfred]

There are some vids out there. Joe Rogan interviewing Alex Jones.  Jones admits to being caught up in a psychosis of conspiracy theories.

I submit their is also a like psychosis people have by being followers of mass media.

This thread isn't meant to propose some offhand conspiracy. It is in your face. See it.

[bigheadfred]

Oh, that is rich.

He is talking AI. Not some of his other things. He wants to die on Mars. Let him.

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

He is talking AI. Not some of his other things. He wants to die on Mars. Let him.

A cautionary warning about AI from a guy whose "self driving" cars tend to kill people?

[bigheadfred]

A cautionary warning about AI from a guy whose "self driving" cars tend to kill people?

Caveat Emptor.