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« Reply #50 on: February 10, 2019, 05:25:04 pm »
A favorite saying of mine:  In the 21st Century, many people have a device in their pockets that allows them access to the entire world's knowledge base.  What do they do with it?  Yell at each other over grammar and punctuation, and post cute videos of kittens (I approve of the kitten part).

LOL! yup

Buy em books and buy em books... What do they do? Eat the covers.
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« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2019, 06:57:53 pm »
LOL! yup

Buy em books and buy em books... What do they do? Eat the covers.
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Do kids even know what books are anymore?
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« Reply #52 on: February 10, 2019, 07:03:40 pm »
Do kids even know what books are anymore?
Yes! Papa and Grandma have lots of books.
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« Reply #53 on: February 10, 2019, 07:03:51 pm »
Do kids even know what books are anymore?

Mine do.

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« Reply #54 on: February 10, 2019, 07:08:22 pm »
I couldn’t kill another human and as for a robot, I’ve read Asimov.

Don’t think I could kill a robot either.
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« Reply #55 on: February 10, 2019, 07:10:42 pm »
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Bender is my favorite robot, then Robbie the Robot, then the robot from The Jetsons.
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« Reply #56 on: February 10, 2019, 07:16:51 pm »
Mine do.
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Mine do, too. They still have covers.

I signed up for Kindle Unlimited last month. My grandson is an avid reader. As am I. Yes, I copped out. I've read a couple dozen books on my tablet since my layoff.
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« Reply #57 on: February 10, 2019, 07:23:36 pm »
@Smokin Joe

Mine do, too. They still have covers.

I signed up for Kindle Unlimited last month. My grandson is an avid reader. As am I. Yes, I copped out. I've read a couple dozen books on my tablet since my layoff.

I can't get into it. I like it because I can adjust the font, but I need the smell of the book, and turning the pages... And the light from computers tends to keep me awake.

I will admit to slacking off quite a bit since I started wearing reading glasses. My favorite venue for reading is in bed, usually upon one side or the other, which flatly does not work with glasses on.  :shrug:

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« Reply #58 on: February 10, 2019, 07:26:14 pm »
Bender is my favorite robot, then Robbie the Robot, then the robot from The Jetsons.

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« Reply #59 on: February 10, 2019, 07:28:21 pm »
I can't get into it. I like it because I can adjust the font, but I need the smell of the book, and turning the pages... And the light from computers tends to keep me awake.

I will admit to slacking off quite a bit since I started wearing reading glasses. My favorite venue for reading is in bed, usually upon one side or the other, which flatly does not work with glasses on.  :shrug:

Kindle books were meant for Kindles.  You would like e-paper.  I had one, and I miss it.
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« Reply #60 on: February 10, 2019, 07:35:53 pm »
I can't get into it. I like it because I can adjust the font, but I need the smell of the book, and turning the pages... And the light from computers tends to keep me awake.

I will admit to slacking off quite a bit since I started wearing reading glasses. My favorite venue for reading is in bed, usually upon one side or the other, which flatly does not work with glasses on.  :shrug:

I bought a tablet 3 years ago. It is only in the last weeks I have been using it to read. I've gotten used to it. I read in bed mostly. Or on it. It is a Fire HD8 so the screen is about book page size. It has Blueshade so I can dim the screen. Plus I can read things like @Smokin Joe gave me links to. Posting to TBR with it sucks. Autocorrect.  It switched "looonnnggg" to "mockingbird" last try. WTH? So if I'm on TBR, it is on my desktop or laptop.
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« Reply #61 on: February 10, 2019, 07:37:38 pm »
Kindle books were meant for Kindles.  You would like e-paper.  I had one, and I miss it.

I dunno nuthin'
What little I have done, I have done with a droid tablet, and my lib is txt and pdf...  :shrug:
Might have a better experience if I followed the crowd, but it is the same as music - a TON of investment just to replace the library I already own. And I refuse to spend as much or more for electronic copy than it would cost me to buy a book used, having it tagged in a system that someone else controls...

NOPE. mp3's are stupid files that can be copied as much as needed and anywhere... Same would have to be true in books for me.

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« Reply #62 on: February 10, 2019, 07:39:43 pm »
I can't get into it. I like it because I can adjust the font, but I need the smell of the book, and turning the pages... And the light from computers tends to keep me awake.

I will admit to slacking off quite a bit since I started wearing reading glasses. My favorite venue for reading is in bed, usually upon one side or the other, which flatly does not work with glasses on.  :shrug:

The Kindle Paperwhite reader you can turn the light completely off.  You may consider trying it.

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« Reply #63 on: February 10, 2019, 07:42:30 pm »
I dunno nuthin'
What little I have done, I have done with a droid tablet, and my lib is txt and pdf...  :shrug:
Might have a better experience if I followed the crowd, but it is the same as music - a TON of investment just to replace the library I already own. And I refuse to spend as much or more for electronic copy than it would cost me to buy a book used, having it tagged in a system that someone else controls...

NOPE. mp3's are stupid files that can be copied as much as needed and anywhere... Same would have to be true in books for me.

That is another thing. Our town library is small. I've read about everything they have I wanted to read. They don't update it much.  My used bookstore closed down last year. Another one I found wants too much for their used books.
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« Reply #64 on: February 10, 2019, 07:50:57 pm »
I bought a tablet 3 years ago. It is only in the last weeks I have been using it to read. I've gotten used to it. I read in bed mostly. Or on it. It is a Fire HD8 so the screen is about book page size. It has Blueshade so I can dim the screen. Plus I can read things like @Smokin Joe gave me links to.

It's weird. My entire Biblical library has been converted to electronic - and it is vast. But that is research based, and done at a computer (desktop/laptop). I prefer it for research - I am not a verse based guy... I can plug in a couple words or a phrase into a search engine and voila! the verse I want is right there, not to mention all the relevant commentary, and depending upon the engine I use, will bring me every relevant thing from my entire library, not just the Bible... And I carry multiple Bibles in there too - so cross-referencing and comparison is fabulous.

Likewise coding and development...

But devotional reading, or pleasurable reading is still in the books. Largely because I don't do that sort of thing in front of a computer, and in fact do so to avoid the computer, which I am otherwise plugged into all the time.


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It switched "looonnnggg" to "mockingbird" last try. WTH? So if I'm on TBR, it is on my desktop or laptop.

Yeah... Google Assistant does that crap to me all the time. She can't understand redneck.
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« Reply #65 on: February 10, 2019, 07:54:08 pm »
The Kindle Paperwhite reader you can turn the light completely off.  You may consider trying it.

Do you own your book copies? Are they downloadable and can I copy multiples, or is it DRM compliant? can I pull the file over to a computer and read it, or am I committed to the platform? That stuff matters. For backup, if for no other reason.

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« Reply #66 on: February 10, 2019, 07:57:15 pm »
That is another thing. Our town library is small. I've read about everything they have I wanted to read. They don't update it much.  My used bookstore closed down last year. Another one I found wants too much for their used books.

I am still good in that regard. I am using my father's account at the used book store, though he has been gone for near a decade. between his balance and my trade backs, I seldom have to pay much.

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« Reply #67 on: February 10, 2019, 07:57:57 pm »
It's weird. My entire Biblical library has been converted to electronic - and it is vast. But that is research based, and done at a computer (desktop/laptop). I prefer it for research - I am not a verse based guy... I can plug in a couple words or a phrase into a search engine and voila! the verse I want is right there, not to mention all the relevant commentary, and depending upon the engine I use, will bring me every relevant thing from my entire library, not just the Bible... And I carry multiple Bibles in there too - so cross-referencing and comparison is fabulous.

Likewise coding and development...

But devotional reading, or pleasurable reading is still in the books. Largely because I don't do that sort of thing in front of a computer, and in fact do so to avoid the computer, which I am otherwise plugged into all the time.


Yeah... Google Assistant does that crap to me all the time. She can't understand redneck.
I need an electronic assistant with two first names and a sweet Southern drawl.

One thing I do know. I'll never have Alexa, or the like, in my house.
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« Reply #68 on: February 10, 2019, 08:08:11 pm »
One thing I do know. I'll never have Alexa, or the like, in my house.

Me neither. Actually I tried Cortana out for a while (Microsoft, comes native in Win10), but it is fairly useless on the desktop. I mean, it will do sorta the same things as Google Assistant, but it is redundant and incompatible with GA... And I am using GA already.

But the phone is another thing. I can't see the dang thing, and my meat grabbers have trouble on them itty bitty screens... the only way I can use it well without having to haul out my glasses is to talk to it...

And I do - I am one of those guys with a bluetooth mike and speaker in my ear... The phone seldom leaves my pocket. I just poke the button in my ear and say

Hey google...
set an appointment
set a timer
set a reminder...
navigate to...
send a text
read incoming message
play some country music...
Call mom on her mobile

and etc.

I literally never set my schedule any other way anymore. I seldom call my common contacts any other way either. For all that, it is a remarkable tool.

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« Reply #69 on: February 10, 2019, 08:26:26 pm »
Virtual assistants are one thing.

https://medium.com/@tjajal/distinguishing-between-narrow-ai-general-ai-and-super-ai-a4bc44172e22?source=placement_card_footer_grid---------0-60

Distinguishing between Narrow AI, General AI and Super AI

As an aside, the Chinese had to send a couple of AI "chatbots" to a reeducation camp after they started spouting "Anti-government propaganda".
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« Reply #70 on: February 10, 2019, 08:35:28 pm »
Do you own your book copies? Are they downloadable and can I copy multiples, or is it DRM compliant? can I pull the file over to a computer and read it, or am I committed to the platform? That stuff matters. For backup, if for no other reason.

The Kindle Reader app is free, so you can put that on any computer or device with internet access and read your books.  You can download your content, but I don't know if you can do something like put it on a memory stick and transfer it.  I want to say you can't, but I could be wrong.  I think you would have to download it on any device you might want to read it on.

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« Reply #71 on: February 10, 2019, 08:47:38 pm »
@Smokin Joe

Mine do, too. They still have covers.

I signed up for Kindle Unlimited last month. My grandson is an avid reader. As am I. Yes, I copped out. I've read a couple dozen books on my tablet since my layoff.
I have a Kindle fire I take in the field with me. I can have a dozen books downloaded into it for the space of one. But, admittedly, I miss the smell, the feel, the texture of the paper, leaving nose prints to mark my place when I fall asleep...and if I ever go off the road or get caught by weather, I can't cook over a Kindle Fire.... :shrug:

Where the difference is really apparent, I have books back to the 1700s, and the feel and smell of those volumes is entirely different from the ones from the first half of the 20th century, and different yet from latter day paperbacks or hardcovers.

With my eyes changing, though, I like the scalability and back light of the screen.

>sigh< Time for new glasses, and better, brighter, reading lamps....
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« Reply #72 on: February 10, 2019, 10:44:05 pm »
The Kindle Reader app is free, so you can put that on any computer or device with internet access and read your books.  You can download your content, but I don't know if you can do something like put it on a memory stick and transfer it.  I want to say you can't, but I could be wrong.  I think you would have to download it on any device you might want to read it on.

I will give it another whirl... IIRC, the reason I backed off is because I had no back-up means other than their cloud... And I am not really sure, but it seems to me it had to have internet in order to work, also a reason to discard it. I want to wind up with a local and distribute-able library, not beholden to a network tat may or may not be there in 10 years.  :shrug:

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« Reply #73 on: February 10, 2019, 10:50:44 pm »
I will give it another whirl... IIRC, the reason I backed off is because I had no back-up means other than their cloud... And I am not really sure, but it seems to me it had to have internet in order to work, also a reason to discard it. I want to wind up with a local and distribute-able library, not beholden to a network tat may or may not be there in 10 years.  :shrug:

There are other sources besides Amazon for E-books.  I've read non-Amazon books on my Kindle Fire, and I had all my technical manuals (PDF) on it when I was working.  It could be Kindle is only finicky about Amazon sold publications?
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« Reply #74 on: February 11, 2019, 02:10:15 am »
There are other sources besides Amazon for E-books.  I've read non-Amazon books on my Kindle Fire, and I had all my technical manuals (PDF) on it when I was working.  It could be Kindle is only finicky about Amazon sold publications?

Yeah... Maybe like apple's goofy-a$$ itunes... way down in the settings you can tell it to save music as mp3, But if you don't know any better, it all comes down in DRM files (.aac)... Maybe I just didn't dig around enough in it...

Likely though, it will be a droid solution... I already have a droid phone and tablet, and know how to get them talking through my local Win LAN... So I can back em up to my media library already, which is access for every device I have. So the kindle app is how that will go...

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« Reply #75 on: February 11, 2019, 02:42:25 am »
Yeah... Maybe like apple's goofy-a$$ itunes... way down in the settings you can tell it to save music as mp3, But if you don't know any better, it all comes down in DRM files (.aac)... Maybe I just didn't dig around enough in it...

Likely though, it will be a droid solution... I already have a droid phone and tablet, and know how to get them talking through my local Win LAN... So I can back em up to my media library already, which is access for every device I have. So the kindle app is how that will go...

I have the Droid Kindle app, it's nice.  You got that S4, right?  It worked on my S4 just fine.
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« Reply #76 on: February 11, 2019, 03:08:50 am »
That is another thing. Our town library is small. I've read about everything they have I wanted to read. They don't update it much.  My used bookstore closed down last year. Another one I found wants too much for their used books.

https://www.alibris.com/books

https://www.abebooks.com/

Thrift Stores, Auctions, Rummage Sales....
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« Reply #77 on: February 11, 2019, 06:26:43 am »
I have the Droid Kindle app, it's nice.  You got that S4, right?  It worked on my S4 just fine.

nah- The S4 was a test... I got serious pretty quick with it. On a J7 Skypro now... So no worries about it working... The tablet is another story... It is getting old. But, I have a 6mo old galaxy on the bench right now with a busted screen that wouldn't boot... I got it up and saved some files off it, and the guy gave me the tablet in the deal... So I am waiting on the glass, and then I will have a nice 200 dollar tablet to play with...
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« Reply #78 on: February 11, 2019, 08:40:23 am »
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« Reply #79 on: February 11, 2019, 09:06:00 am »
I can't get into it. I like it because I can adjust the font, but I need the smell of the book, and turning the pages... And the light from computers tends to keep me awake.

I will admit to slacking off quite a bit since I started wearing reading glasses. My favorite venue for reading is in bed, usually upon one side or the other, which flatly does not work with glasses on.  :shrug:

Big print and the ability for night to reverse colors for black background and light words.
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« Reply #80 on: February 11, 2019, 09:42:38 am »
I would bet most people have the idea a human looking robot will be a self-contained AI. Thank Star Wars for that. Instead, that robot would probably have to have access or interface to an actual AI somewhere else. Take a good hard look at the fast track to 5G.

https://mdsafetech.org/problems/5g/

5G “Mobile” Communications


Technology advances aren't distributed to the general public until they have been studied by the military and alphabet agencies.

Turn the question around: Would a sentient robot sacrifice itself to save humans? Would you be willing to bet your life on it?
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« Reply #81 on: February 11, 2019, 10:06:22 am »
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« Reply #82 on: February 11, 2019, 12:25:07 pm »
We Need To Talk About Sentient Robots

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The implications for sentient AI.

If advanced AI systems become conscious, AI won't have to prove its autonomy. AI is designed with highly sophisticated intelligence and autonomy based on open-ended utility functions that human programmers can currently rewrite to cater to human needs and values until such a time as AI has the will to stop us. What AI will have to prove is that it is sentient. Unlike all current models of physiological life, we have no criteria for recognizing sentience in beings without biological brains and nervous systems. Many computer scientists and engineers say this simply isn't a problem–because AI is not conscious. Here's why it's still a problem:

We don't know what consciousness is (The Hard Problem).

Sentience and consciousness are often used interchangeably but there are subtle differences. Sentience is the capacity for subjective perceptions, feelings and experience. Consciousness is being aware of yourself and your surroundings. "It's the what it's like aspect of subjective experience. We all know what it's like to be conscious. It's so self-evident," says Jones.

Yet no one has ever spotted it in a brain scan or picked consciousness up with surgical forceps and studied it. We don't know its essence. The Hard Problem of consciousness is our most intimate mystery. We have no idea how awareness and experience come out of a purely physical process. No biologist, neuroscientist, philosopher or physicist is anywhere near solving The Hard Problem.

If we don't know what consciousness is, it's anyone's best guess as to what special configuration arouses awareness and how long it will be before AI wakes up . The only other intelligent beings we create that display highly sophisticated behavior are other humans. We don't know how or at what point during the development process our human creations become sentient and conscious.

Although we don't know precisely what consciousness is or how it works, we know it exists. Our moral and legal systems are based on the responsibility we have to other conscious beings. Without a rational, comprehensive and ethical set of criteria for recognizing signs of machine consciousness, we're susceptible to repeating the irreconcilable atrocities like slavery we've inflicted on other autonomous sentient beings.
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
« Reply #83 on: February 11, 2019, 12:53:01 pm »
IMO, consciousness in a robot, or any AI, isn't a goal that should EVER be under consideration.
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
« Reply #84 on: February 11, 2019, 01:14:30 pm »
IMO, consciousness in a robot, or any AI, isn't a goal that should EVER be under consideration.

I agree with that, but "consciousness" is likely to happen as a side-effect.  Definitions shift over time.
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« Reply #85 on: February 11, 2019, 01:26:35 pm »
Big print and the ability for night to reverse colors for black background and light words.

Yes I know... All my machines do that already... Doesn't matter, btw, black light or white, I will not get tired if I am looking at a computer.

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« Reply #86 on: February 11, 2019, 01:42:18 pm »
I agree with that, but "consciousness" is likely to happen as a side-effect.  Definitions shift over time.

I can see that. What is the algorithm for "humanity"?
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« Reply #87 on: February 11, 2019, 01:46:56 pm »
IMO, consciousness in a robot, or any AI, isn't a goal that should EVER be under consideration.

Sentience is nonsense. Consciousness is too. The best a machine can do is mimic life.
However, it can be inhabited, which will be bad.

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« Reply #88 on: February 11, 2019, 01:47:38 pm »
I agree with that, but "consciousness" is likely to happen as a side-effect.  Definitions shift over time.

No.

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« Reply #89 on: February 11, 2019, 01:51:35 pm »
I can see that. What is the algorithm for "humanity"?

And that part is what we should not be setting as a "goal."  When we start writing and compiling algorithms like that is when we trivialize real Humanity.  Not to mention the damage done to Spirituality.  How does one program AI to acknowledge the possibility of an existence of a higher being?  Morality?

My point would be, somebody's going to come along and declare whatever we programmed to be "sentient."  IOW, playing God, even if it requires moving the goal posts.
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« Reply #90 on: February 11, 2019, 01:51:57 pm »
Yes I know... All my machines do that already... Doesn't matter, btw, black light or white, I will not get tired if I am looking at a computer.

That's what I like about the Paperwhite, you can turn the background light completely off as long as there is light in the room.

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« Reply #91 on: February 11, 2019, 01:53:42 pm »
No.

Not for Thee, and not for Me, but we're not in charge of the totalitarians writing the Newspeak.

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« Reply #92 on: February 11, 2019, 01:55:27 pm »
Sentience is nonsense. Consciousness is too. The best a machine can do is mimic life.
However, it can be inhabited, which will be bad.

Inhabited. Two possibles.
 Upload "yourself" into a machine. This falls under the category of the tech level you will be able to afford.
 Possession by noncorporeal nonhuman entities.
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« Reply #93 on: February 11, 2019, 01:58:06 pm »
That's what I like about the Paperwhite, you can turn the background light completely off as long as there is light in the room.

That is true, and an underappreciated fact.  I had an E-paper Kindle (pre-PaperWhite), and I really liked the lack of glare and eye-strain.  It didn't resolve images very well, but it was the next-best thing to reading text from a book.  One really has to make the investment in an E-paper or PaperWhite tablet to clearly understand the difference.

There was a commercial at the time that showed somebody reading a Kindle on a sunshiny beach. 
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« Reply #94 on: February 11, 2019, 01:59:19 pm »
Inhabited. Two possibles.
 Upload "yourself" into a machine. This falls under the category of the tech level you will be able to afford.
 Possession by noncorporeal nonhuman entities.

The machine I could afford to inhabit would probably look like Danny DeVito.   :chairbang:
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« Reply #95 on: February 11, 2019, 02:03:05 pm »
Inhabited. Two possibles.
 Upload "yourself" into a machine. This falls under the category of the tech level you will be able to afford.

I don't think we are anywhere near capable of that...Who can map the human soul?

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Intentional possession - There ya go.
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« Reply #96 on: February 11, 2019, 02:05:04 pm »
The machine I could afford to inhabit would probably look like Danny DeVito.   :chairbang:

Brag brag brag

I'd top out somewhere around Buckwheat.
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« Reply #97 on: February 11, 2019, 02:05:12 pm »
That's what I like about the Paperwhite, you can turn the background light completely off as long as there is light in the room.

Well sorta - It cannot be off, or you would see nothing.

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« Reply #98 on: February 11, 2019, 02:11:04 pm »
Not for Thee, and not for Me, but we're not in charge of the totalitarians writing the Newspeak.

Doubleplusungood.

Right - but the newsspeak does not inhibit the truth. Creating mechanical life is purely nonsense, in the same way a boy who has been given tinkertoys can build a car like his dad's. He may believe he can, he may brag he can, but he doesn't understand the first damn thing about it.


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« Reply #99 on: February 11, 2019, 02:12:32 pm »
This entire premise needs to be filed under 'Ye too shall be as gods'.