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The Battle to Save Bump Stocks Just Got Weird
« on: January 08, 2019, 03:10:29 am »
National Gun Network Jan 7, 2019

Bump stocks are officially banned. According to regulation, they’re the same as machine guns. That means owning or using a bump stock is no minor violation. Getting caught in this mess is a life-ruining event.

That said, the fight for freedom isn’t over. The regulation has been issued. Now, it has to survive the lawsuits and injunctions that are being filed against it. Leading the charge is a case in D.C., and it points out some very weird stuff behind this ban. By the time you finish reading, you might be more than a little disturbed.

This ban is a big assault on the 2nd Amendments and personal freedom. Worse, because it didn’t come solely from the left, a lot of groups that would usually fight tooth and nail to stop it have remained silent. Despite all of that, a lawsuit has been filed asking for an injunction against the new regulation.

The Lawsuit

The lawsuit in question was filed by Stephen Stamboulieh and Alan Beck. They went through the D.C. federal appeals court, and they chose that court on purpose. Rather than attack the rule itself, they’re filing against the procedure used to instate it. For starters, it was signed by the Attorney General. They’re arguing that he doesn’t have enough authority to put such a regulation in place. It’s pretty normal lawyer stuff.

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Re: The Battle to Save Bump Stocks Just Got Weird
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2019, 03:15:46 am »
Bump-stock class action seeks compensation for government's 'taking' of property

1/7/2019  Madison - St. Clair Record
https://madisonrecord.com/stories/511716619-bump-stock-class-action-seeks-compensation-for-government-s-taking-of-property

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While it isn't the first lawsuit filed over the federal government's recent ban on bump-stock devices, one initiated by Edwardsville attorneys at the U.S. Court of Federal Claims is the only chance, they say, owners have of getting compensated for the taking of their property.

The Flint Law Firm filed suit on Dec. 26, the day the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) adopted a rule retroactively redefining bump-fire stocks as machine guns under the National Firearms Act of 1934 and Gun Control Act of 1968. Until the new rule was published, the ATF had classified bump-stocks as firearm "parts."

Bump stocks, which attach to semiautomatic rifles and speed up their firing rate, are notoriously associated with the mass shooting at a Las Vegas country music festival in October 2017. The gunman fired more than 1,000 rounds from his room on 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, killing 58 and injuring hundreds using the device.

"A federal law or regulation that requires previously lawful owners of property to destroy or surrender said property, without just compensation, is unprecedented in the history of the United States," the complaint says.

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Re: The Battle to Save Bump Stocks Just Got Weird
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2019, 03:16:17 am »
The money quote, imho...

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We don’t just need this lawsuit to prevent the government from infringing on gun rights. We also need it to expose further corruption in the FBI and help us dismantle the group that now seems poised to strip freedom from Americans at will.
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Re: The Battle to Save Bump Stocks Just Got Weird
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2019, 03:19:57 am »
Latest Lawsuit Against Trump Bump Stock Ban Seeks to Open ATF Registry

The Truth About Guns by Luis Valdes Jan 06, 2019
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/01/luis-valdes/latest-lawsuit-against-trump-bump-stock-ban-seeks-to-open-atf-registry/

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Attorney Stephen Stamboulieh has filed a lawsuit in conjunction with gun writer David Codrea and two others against President Trump’s unconstitutional bump stock ban. Stamboulieh is the man behind a number of prominent gun rights cases such as Hawaii’s open carry lawsuit, Young v. Hawaii.

That makes four lawsuits in the works so far. Stamboulieh’s, two involving Adam Kraut and the Firearms Policy Coalition (one challenging the regulation and another challenging the acting AG’s authority to sign the new rule), and of course one from Gun Owners of America.

The NRA is still nowhere to be found in this fight. The only thing they’ve done is release a statement saying that they’re now somewhat, maybe, possibly against the ban after they were originally for it… twice.

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Re: The Battle to Save Bump Stocks Just Got Weird
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2019, 04:45:42 am »
One problem I have is the assumption that the stock fundamentally changes the way the firearm works.

The firearm, however, remains a semiautomatic, requiring one pull of the trigger per round fired. What changes is the ability of the average shooter to pull that trigger with greater efficiency.
 
The rule said that the semiautomatic became an automatic, which it does not. The firing mechanism remains unchanged. The ability of the average shooter to time the pulling of the trigger with greater rapidity is what the stock changes.

If it can be decreed that the ability to depress the trigger beyond a certain cyclic rate of fire makes the firearm a machine gun, then anyone who can accomplish rates of fire beyond those unassisted by mechanical devices will be somehow subject to this rule. that extension would only be logical, considering the firearm's firing mechanism is fundamentally unchanged. Remove a bump stock and the rate of fire is again limited solely by the skill of the shooter and the inherent ability of the firearm to cycle.

Trick shooters, for instance, who have learned to 'fan' a revolver, can fire at theoretical cyclic rates that are incredible without benefit of a bump stock by 'fanning' or other trigger pulling techniques. Would that make revolvers subject to this provision in eventuality? Only a minor modification of the language would be needed.

Even worse is the establishment of precedent which would place the availability and legality of any firearm or component at the sole discretion of an unelected bureaucrat, in direct contravention to the Second Amendment. This is the very sort of power grab the Amendment was intended to discourage.
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Re: The Battle to Save Bump Stocks Just Got Weird
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2019, 04:58:31 am »
I din't find anything weird about this. A regulation is being enacted and law suits are going to stop it. The fact that the FBI is being exposed once again as corrupt is just standard operating procedure.

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Re: The Battle to Save Bump Stocks Just Got Weird
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2019, 05:10:38 am »
I din't find anything weird about this. A regulation is being enacted and law suits are going to stop it. The fact that the FBI is being exposed once again as corrupt is just standard operating procedure.
Not enacted, but decreed.
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Re: The Battle to Save Bump Stocks Just Got Weird
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2019, 11:52:22 pm »
I wonder just how many bump-stock owners are going to voluntarily turn theirs in....?

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Re: The Battle to Save Bump Stocks Just Got Weird
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2019, 11:58:43 pm »

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The fact that the FBI is being exposed once again as corrupt is just standard operating procedure.

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No,it is the cherry on top of the whipped cream. I honestly have a really hard time thinking of anything I would appreciate more than see the corruption between the DNC and the FEEBS exposed for everyone to see. i want to see names named,and prominent people led away in handcuffs by US Marshalls to sit in jails until their trials end.

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