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Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people

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I say that yes, if you oppose the wall you oppose the
people who make the U.S.A. a wonderful place to live.
A border wall is badly needed to keep illegals out.
They say the wall is $5b dollars and where they getting
the money? Illegal immigrants drain $25 billion
dollars a year from the U.S. economy. Seems like a no
brainer from an economic viewpoint. The wall would
pay for itself very quickly. Not to mention the safety
concerns an open and unprotected border causes and
the number of jobs available to real citizens would
skyrocket when bad corporations can't hire illegal
labor. Who wouldn't want a strong border? Our enemies,
that's who. If you oppose the wall you can't be trusted.
I won't accept.

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Unemployment would drop like a fly.
I won't accept.

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if I don't do this, or if I believe that, then I'm an enemy of the people

The left is doing it too. Both sides are becoming increasingly volatile and averse to any compromise.
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The left is doing it too. Both sides are becoming increasingly volatile and averse to any compromise.
Which is why we’ll be shooting at each other inside of 10years, probably sooner.
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I say that yes, if you oppose the wall you oppose the
people who make the U.S.A. a wonderful place to live.
A border wall is badly needed to keep illegals out.
They say the wall is $5b dollars and where they getting
the money? Illegal immigrants drain $25 billion
dollars a year from the U.S. economy. Seems like a no
brainer from an economic viewpoint. The wall would
pay for itself very quickly. Not to mention the safety
concerns an open and unprotected border causes and
the number of jobs available to real citizens would
skyrocket when bad corporations can't hire illegal
labor. Who wouldn't want a strong border? Our enemies,
that's who. If you oppose the wall you can't be trusted.


Clarification, the wall isn't $5 Billion, the wall is project to be $70-$90 Billion. Also, only a fraction of illegals walk across the border where the wall is being built so it wouldn't wipe out all $25 Billion in the expenses.

The $5 billion being fought over now is just to get started.

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Also, 'enemy of the people's sure does seem hyperbolic. Many who support border security see the wall as a panacia that won't make a difference. It doesn't shut off the magnets that attract people here and only addresses a fraction of the issue. It is like trying to patch a broken pipe before shutting off the water main.

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Heck no.

I have to cut some slack to members of my family who oppose the wall, but whom I love dearly. They are old school democrats and they don’t hate America. Sorry if that discombobulates anyone.

Besides, in the near future innovations in technology will probably eliminate the need for walls at the border. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

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Heck no.

I have to cut some slack to members of my family who oppose the wall, but whom I love dearly. They are old school democrats and they don’t hate America. Sorry if that discombobulates anyone.

Besides, in the near future innovations in technology will probably eliminate the need for walls at the border. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

Just out of curiousity @aligncare, how do they explain that unlimited immigration is an OK thing? 

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Just out of curiousity @aligncare, how do they explain that unlimited immigration is an OK thing?

For the record, I’m against illegal immigration, and as far as I know, so are they. Therefore answering the question you posed is above my pay grade.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2018, 10:59:20 am »
For the record, I’m against illegal immigration, and as far as I know, so are they. Therefore answering the question you posed is above my pay grade.

OK, thanks.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2018, 11:05:19 am »
What good will a wall do if we continue to just let in anyone and everyone?  If this country does not take serious steps to curb illegsl immigration, the wall will be a meaningless gimmick.

The old walls don't work argument. Complete BS, walls work. There is a reason every city in the old
world had a wall around it. The great wall of China kept the Mongols out for hundreds of years. It
was so effective the Mongols had to bribe Chinese guards to open the gates in order to gain entry
into China. Hadrian's Wall kept Roman Britain safe for hundreds of years. Israel built a wall to keep
Israel safe and it works.

Walls don't work is just another NeverTrumper BS argument that is easily falsified by looking a the
history of walls. Even the much disrespect Maginot Line (wall on the French Border) worked. It
forced the German army to invade France thru Belgium which was its' purpose.

The military usefulness of walls was mitigated by the invention of gun powder. However the people
stopping ability a great big fortified wall is the same today as it's has been since the first walled
city was build over 7,000 years ago.
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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2018, 11:15:51 am »
The old walls don't work argument. Complete BS, walls work. There is a reason every city in the old
world had a wall around it. The great wall of China kept the Mongols out for hundreds of years. It
was so effective the Mongols had to bribe Chinese guards to open the gates in order to gain entry
into China. Hadrian's Wall kept Roman Britain safe for hundreds of years. Israel built a wall to keep
Israel safe and it works.

Walls don't work is just another NeverTrumper BS argument that is easily falsified by looking a the
history of walls. Even the much disrespect Maginot Line (wall on the French Border) worked. It
forced the German army to invade France thru Belgium which was its' purpose.

The military usefulness of walls was mitigated by the invention of gun powder. However the people
stopping ability a great big fortified wall is the same today as it's has been since the first walled
city was build over 7,000 years ago.

A wall is a 7th century (BC) solution to a modern problem.

...and so technological innovation will soon eliminate the need for border walls in modern times.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2018, 11:20:32 am »
    It certainly makes you an enemy of the Trumpers if you oppose the Wall for whatever reason.  Though some I suspect are Russian Bots I suppose the majority of them are just misguided Americans.  Merry Christmas.
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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2018, 11:30:27 am »
A wall is a 7th century (BC) solution to a modern problem.

...and so technological innovation will soon eliminate the need for border walls in modern times.

You still have not explained why a big manned wall will not help prevent 100s of thousands of
illegals from walking into the USA.

A wall is not a 7th century solution, it is a 21st century solution, just ask the Israelis.



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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2018, 11:35:41 am »
    It certainly makes you an enemy of the Trumpers if you oppose the Wall for whatever reason.  Though some I suspect are Russian Bots I suppose the majority of them are just misguided Americans.  Merry Christmas.

Where we have a border wall illegal entry into the USA was reduced by over 90%. Walls work, so if
you oppose the wall you are effectively enabling illegal entry into the USA. Is the wall a magic
bullet? No, but it is an important part of the solution to securing out borders.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2018, 11:50:25 am »
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Hungary has claimed that its fences on the borders with Croatia and Serbia have helped to cut the inflow of migrants by 99.7 percent since 2015. The small inland nation now has one quarter of the length of its borders protected by a fence.

“The number of successful attempts to illegally cross the border fell from 391,000 in 2015 to 18,236 in 2016 and only 1,184 in 2017,” the Hungarian prime minister’s chief security advisor, Gyorgy Bakondi, told reporters...
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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2018, 11:51:28 am »
I believe in the wall, but not where most of you think it should be built. We should treat this invasion of migrants as an act of war. Reassign our troops to repel and attack this migrant army at its source. Destroy the drug lords, destroy the corrupt politicians, and move the southern US border from Mexico down to the southern Panamanian border. And fix this problem once and for all.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2018, 12:20:31 pm »
voted yes

Sorry...

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2018, 12:24:20 pm »
Illegal immigrants are our strength.

Diversity is wonderful.

Build kind, welcoming societies, not dark walls.

Only a Trump loving orange Hitler worshipping racist could want walls.

Jesus would carry immigrants over the border, on his back, by the hundreds, feeding them on the way. Not to mention washing their feet, in consecrated conservative waters.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2018, 01:39:39 pm »
What a surprise!   *****rollingeyes*****

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2018, 01:42:05 pm »
A wall is a 7th century (BC) solution to a modern problem.

...and so technological innovation will soon eliminate the need for border walls in modern times.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2018, 01:44:30 pm »
Illegal immigrants are our strength.

Diversity is wonderful.

Build kind, welcoming societies, not dark walls.

Only a Trump loving orange Hitler worshipping racist could want walls.

Jesus would carry immigrants over the border, on his back, by the hundreds, feeding them on the way. Not to mention washing their feet, in consecrated conservative waters.

Only dirty rotten Freepers, from the terrible old homeland, could hate immigrates. Once a Notion.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2018, 01:55:54 pm »
A wall is a 7th century (BC) solution to a modern problem.

...and so technological innovation will soon eliminate the need for border walls in modern times.

I'd agree with that, if by "technological innovation" you mean "minefield."
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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2018, 02:01:16 pm »
Stop it.
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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #25 on: December 24, 2018, 02:30:44 pm »
I'd agree with that, if by "technological innovation" you mean "minefield."

Not just your standard minefield. A chip, or neural net, in your head.

Not up to muster?

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2018, 02:44:12 pm »
You ever wonder about things?

Korea
Viet Nam
Iraq
F ghanistan
Syria

Tens of thousands of American lives lost.
Trillions of $ lost.

For what?

And we refuse to defend our selves.

I'm buying stock in Crayola.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2018, 02:46:16 pm »
I'd agree with that, if by "technological innovation" you mean "minefield."

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2018, 03:01:40 pm »
I'd agree with that, if by "technological innovation" you mean "minefield."

Who knows? That could be in the equation. The future is ripe with possibilities.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #29 on: December 24, 2018, 03:32:39 pm »

Clarification, the wall isn't $5 Billion, the wall is project to be $70-$90 Billion. Also, only a fraction of illegals walk across the border where the wall is being built so it wouldn't wipe out all $25 Billion in the expenses.

The $5 billion being fought over now is just to get started.

That changes it. $70b needed to wall the whole 1900 mile
border. $5b should cover 150 miles or close. 150 miles is
a long distance and if built in the right place would reduce
a large portion of border hopping.
I won't accept.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2018, 03:38:26 pm »

It's not a truth.  It's your whacked out opinion. 

Actually, it comes from Saul Alynsky.  Accuse your opponent of treason or any of a number of other heinous faults and marginalize him or her.  You must be so proud to have so much in common with today's Democrats, Antifa and other radical socialists/communists.

This wall worked for many years.


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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2018, 03:56:56 pm »
There's a wall around the White House. Wall and fence
companies are in business and making bank. If walls
don't work then how come they are used everywhere?
This argument has no point but because of the intelligence
level of Democrats needs to happen so they can make
it harder for us to defend ourselves because they love
endangering everyone and threatening America. Whose
side are they on anyways?
I won't accept.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #32 on: December 24, 2018, 04:52:51 pm »
A wall is a 7th century (BC) solution to a modern problem.

...and so technological innovation will soon eliminate the need for border walls in modern times.

No, it won't. The thing with a wall (a real one) is that it is passive - Once constructed, there it is - whether regime changes, whether time.

Tech remains dynamic and active (not passive), and is subject to political winds. All it takes to make it immediately go away is for someone to turn off the switch.

No, walls work, if for no other reason than that they cost too much to tear down.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #33 on: December 24, 2018, 05:14:27 pm »

It's not a truth.  It's your whacked out opinion. 

Actually, it comes from Saul Alynsky.  Accuse your opponent of treason or any of a number of other heinous faults and marginalize him or her.  You must be so proud to have so much in common with today's Democrats, Antifa and other radical socialists/communists.

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Yeah,if there is one thing I am known for it is being a commie.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #34 on: December 24, 2018, 05:26:29 pm »
@Applewood

Yeah,if there is one thing I am known for it is being a commie.

The Open Borders crowd at the commies,comrade!

If he dropped the commie and just went with pinko fag he might have something there.  :laugh:
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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2018, 06:00:52 pm »
Issue is not a Trump issue, it is a national security issue. Voted Yes.
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« Reply #36 on: December 24, 2018, 06:07:31 pm »
No wall, more war in Syria.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #37 on: December 24, 2018, 07:22:38 pm »
No.

While I want a wall, others might find it impractical while still supporting other aspects of the solution to our illegal immigration crisis.  I don't think they are the enemy just because they disagree about implementation.  And honestly, I don't think we'll ever get a wall anyway.
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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #38 on: December 25, 2018, 09:19:53 am »
No wall, more war in Syria.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #39 on: December 25, 2018, 11:04:11 am »
No.

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While I want a wall, others might find it impractical while still supporting other aspects of the solution to our illegal immigration crisis.
   

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Nope. The left and people who LOVE cheap illegal alien labor have turned this into a polarized issue. You are either for the wall,or you are for open borders and a Dim/Communist/Fascist world where America is just an economic zone.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #40 on: December 25, 2018, 11:37:16 am »
Seems to me by wanting to spend billions we don't have on a wall we don't need, it is the Trump fans who are more in line with tax and spend Democrats.
So we'll spend billions on illegals instead. many more billions. do you live in the real world?

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #41 on: December 25, 2018, 12:23:07 pm »
Seems to me by wanting to spend billions we don't have on a wall we don't need, it is the Trump fans who are more in line with tax and spend Democrats.

You might want to check out this thread

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,345355.msg1876958/topicseen.html#msg1876958

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #42 on: December 25, 2018, 12:32:38 pm »

Yes I read it and it's not surprising.  But I still maintain the wall is a waste of money, especially if we are not going to enforce the immigration laws and are going to continue giving away freebees to illegals and so-called refugees.

A wall is just part of the solution, but it is a big and necessary part. Cutting benies to illegals, e-verify and enforcing our laws are the other things we need to do too.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #43 on: December 25, 2018, 01:47:35 pm »
Well, if nothing else, this poll thread has revealed who are followers of Saul Alinsky.  I guess some here really do want a dictatorship where we are all required to have the same thoughts and opinions and any dissent will result in ostracism, marginalization or worse.

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Really?

A commie screaming "commie!" at everyone else to try to shut them up?

You didn't get the memo about that method being exposed a couple of decades ago?
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« Reply #44 on: December 25, 2018, 05:02:21 pm »
@Applewood

Really?

A commie screaming "commie!" at everyone else to try to shut them up?

You didn't get the memo about that method being exposed a couple of decades ago?

In recent years I have fallen victim to this same
tactic that the criminals guilty of such and such
crime make it appear as though you are guilty
of that crime. Or they commit a crime against
you and make it appear like you are guilty of
the crime you are victim of. Another similar
tactic of theirs is try and get you to talk about
a specific crime or subject without directly
bringing it up so that they can make it appear
that such repulsive subject matter or crime is
an interest of yours. Of course, you aren't the
slightest bit interested in such repulsive crimes,
you don't want to think about that or talk about
that, it has no connection with you and it isn't
a matter that relates to anything in your life,
but that's their point, if they can somehow hint
their way of mentioning or discussing what
repulsive matter they want then they can make
it appear you are guilty of such crime.
Additionally, they believe so strongly in the
power of words they want you to mention a
particular word at any price, even if you speak
that word in disdain and with insults. For
example, Applewood mentioned 'commies'
in disdain. This thread has no relation to
commies, therefore Applewood was using the
guise of disatisfaction of commies to advertise
them. Off subject, unrelated to the matter at
hand. All Applewood wanted you to do was
create an opening in your mind for the idea of
commies to lather and foam. This sort of
backwards tactic has fallen out of use in recent
years but obvious some folks think we're dumb
enough that it will work.
I won't accept.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #45 on: December 26, 2018, 10:30:43 am »
And neither party is interested in enforcing the law.  So the wall is still a waste of money.

A large manned wall makes it much harder to walk from A to B if said wall is between A and B. If you are
unwilling to admit that there is no point in continuing the conversation. History has on thousands of
occasions proven the values of big beautiful walls.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #46 on: December 26, 2018, 10:52:30 am »
A large manned wall makes it much harder to walk from A to B if said wall is between A and B. If you are
unwilling to admit that there is no point in continuing the conversation. History has on thousands of
occasions proven the values of big beautiful walls.

Not if it simply pushes more people into entering on visitors visas that they then overstay.  Then it makes the problem worse. 

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #47 on: December 26, 2018, 10:59:57 am »
A large manned wall makes it much harder to walk from A to B if said wall is between A and B. If you are
unwilling to admit that there is no point in continuing the conversation. History has on thousands of
occasions proven the values of big beautiful walls.

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The wall doesn't even need to be manned. It can have wireless cameras and be patrolled by drones. If there is any activity seen,someone monitoring the cameras can dispatch a crew of Border Patrol agents to take care of the problem.

That is not Oceander wants to hear,though. Either he/she/it/multiple choice or someone in that family is a illegal,so all Oceander wants to hear about is open borders because they add nothing but sunshine and bunny hugs.
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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #48 on: December 26, 2018, 11:00:35 am »
Not if it simply pushes more people into entering on visitors visas that they then overstay.  Then it makes the problem worse.

LOL, A wall works so don't build it. Laughing my ass off at your crazy logic.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #49 on: December 26, 2018, 11:01:24 am »
Not if it simply pushes more people into entering on visitors visas that they then overstay.  Then it makes the problem worse.

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Simple solution to that problem is tougher standards to get a visitor visa,and having anyone who applies for one be required to post a bond to be forfeited if they disappear.
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