Extreme heat increasing in both summer and winter

[roamer_1]

A similar level of expertise is necessary to understand climate data like the scientists do. The point is a good brain and some common sense can't bridge a gap between you and somebody that went to college for 8 or more years and then practiced what they learned for decades. Not to mention those nerds are brilliant.

Oh bullshit. In the first place, common sense is worth way more than knowledge, and is something scientists and collegians tend to be particularly lacking. They tend to be winnowed into a very focused field, but poured over with knowledge, and utterly lacking in experiences useful in comparison, makes for a particularly unwise combination ( @Smokin Joe certainly excepted)

Careful, for you sound like a cultist paying homage to a priesthood - Remember they all put their pants on one leg at a time, and half of them finished in the bottom of their class.

How many of you have been to an Ivy League campus? Being a smart person means nothing. There are people so incredibly brilliant that it actually bothers me. Those are the kinds of people you're scoffing at.

Good God no. There is no way in hell I would consider entering into those liberal hellholes. There is plenty of room for brilliance well away from your hallowed halls.

And when, during 150 years, exponentially more collection stations are installed in equatorial regions - far more than in northern climes, yet the data is treated as a flat average, scoffing is called for on its face.  When a collection station starts life in a cow pasture, and fifty years later is found surrounded by concrete and reflective metal buildings, yet the data is treated the very same, laughing and pointing is dang near required. That is the territory of idiocy. And these mistakes, and others like them are not single incidences, but rather, repeated over and over and over again. There is no excuse.

Those are the kinds of people you think aren't analyzing this stuff correctly. We have no choice but to believe in the absolute most brilliant minds among us. Anything else would be crazy. There is not a worldwide conspiracy in science.

Total bullshit, spouted like an acolyte. People have shown you, over and over, with provable , well known examples, that the work is not merely flawed, but incredibly shoddy, underhanded, and politically motivated. Appealing to authorities like that just ain't gonna fly, Scooter.

[roamer_1]

Climate scientists the world over have compiled their collective data and 97% have come to the conclusion that human emissions are impacting the climate.

Your mantra has already been debunked.

[Dexter]

Ummmm, I did go to a big university.

I'm not trying to claim you didn't.

[Dexter]

Going to school is irrelevant to the discussion

 

[Dexter]

For some reason you have a very closed mind. 

I am very humble in the face of things I don't actually understand. I have learned not to overestimate myself. When it comes to the climate I have mostly closed my mind to the opinions of people that are not climate scientists because for the most part nobody knows better than they do. That includes my own opinions on the issue. I recognize that I simply don't know enough about it.

[skeeter]

I am very humble in the face of things I don't actually understand. I have learned not to overestimate myself. When it comes to the climate I have mostly closed my mind to the opinions of people that are not climate scientists because for the most part nobody knows better than they do. That includes my own opinions on the issue. I recognize that I simply don't know enough about it.

Humbly suggest you begin to consider possible ulterior motives of said scientists and other GW proponents as well. It's not hard to figure out - there is a great amount of money and political power at stake in what they're peddling to the masses.

[roamer_1]

I am very humble in the face of things I don't actually understand. I have learned not to overestimate myself. When it comes to the climate I have mostly closed my mind to the opinions of people that are not climate scientists because for the most part nobody knows better than they do. That includes my own opinions on the issue. I recognize that I simply don't know enough about it.

If you are not willing to question authority, you.are.doomed.

[Dexter]

If you are not willing to question authority, you.are.doomed.

I am not educated enough to question the authority we are discussing.

[catfish1957]

If you are not willing to question authority, you.are.doomed.

@Dexter

I do not claim to be a research climatologist, meterologist nor an expert on this subject.  However, I declined an offer for a pHD in Environmental, and instead took the path of industry.  I have been involved in the environmental profession for over 40 years.

There are a number of very high profile weather experts who have been squashed by the AGW alarmist, who have countered with very compelling evidence of this being a scam.  One being Dr. Gray who "was" repeat was after being clamored out by the koolaid kooked envirowacko faction.  Dr. Gray is considered among the greatest authorities of hurricane predictions, and came out hard (with good evidence) against this bull shit.  After his position, he was considered a heretic, and ignored by the meteorlogical community.  And he is not the only one.

The next time some enviro-whacko screams climate change.....

(1) Ask them why the climate researchers didn't adjust readings to reflect closer proximity of reporting stations to "heat island" locations due to urban and suburban creep.
(2) Ask them why the hottest period in recorded history was in the 950-1050 a.d. era.  Were the Vikings over using their SUV's?
(3) Ask them why mysteriously the "buzz word" for this sham changed form Global Warming to Climate Change about 8 years ago.  Then do the research.
(4) The past 50 years have seem an unusually high amount of sunspots.  Some researchers are saying we are possibly getting ready to see unprecedented low activity upcoming that may rival the Maunder Minimum.  Finally, check the graphs of global temperature vs. Sunspot activity.  Golly Gee...could the sun be controlling our climate?  /s
(5) IN 2006 algore predicted that Manhattan and other major US cities would be inundated with sea water in 10 years. 2008 he predicted the polar ice cap would be permanently gone.  And the this is the leader of this garbage.  Chicken Little syndrome gone amok.

Dexter...    AGW is the biggest scam in the  history of the world. It is a carefully constructed ruse by the left for wealth distribution to poorer countries.  There have been some short term trends ( and yes 50 years is. short term) of a warmer climate, but man sure had little to do with it.  It is the course of normal climatic variation.

[Dexter]

Dexter...    AGW is the biggest scam in the  history of the world. It is a carefully constructed ruse by the left for wealth distribution to poorer countries.  There have been some short term trends ( and yes 50 years is. short term) of a warmer climate, but man sure had little to do with it.  It is the course of normal climatic variation.

The people that own right wing politicians are pushing for open borders that will lead to a one world government as well. I think the AGW issue is independent of the forces that are trying to screw Americans.

[catfish1957]

The people that own right wing politicians are pushing for open borders that will lead to a one world government as well. I think the AGW issue is independent of the forces that are trying to screw Americans.

Wha.......?

[roamer_1]

I am not educated enough to question the authority we are discussing.

Nonsense. Your eyes are closed.

[Dexter]

Wha.......?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a big part of the belief in an AGW conspiracy involves the left and academics trying to unify global powers through phony science, right? A one world government with the help of the U.N and their scientists. Am I completely off here?

[roamer_1]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a big part of the belief in an AGW conspiracy involves the left and academics trying to unify global powers through phony science, right? A one world government with the help of the U.N and their scientists. Am I completely off here?

Global redistribution of wealth among countries... That much is true. Just read Kyoto and Paris.

[Dexter]

Global redistribution of wealth among countries... That much is true. Just read Kyoto and Paris.

The "conservatives" are pushing for open borders and world unity as well.

[catfish1957]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a big part of the belief in an AGW conspiracy involves the left and academics trying to unify global powers through phony science, right? A one world government with the help of the U.N and their scientists. Am I completely off here?

I don't think it is as sinister as a One-World Government conspiracy.  I think it is more of a world wide left wing (Kyoto/Paris Accord pseudo-confederation) guilt trip, and a ploy for wealth re-distribution.

I also think that a HUGE amount of scientist and their minions who truly believe the data manipulation and lies.  And that is what is most dangerous about this whole situation. 

[roamer_1]

The "conservatives" are trying to do that too.

No. The Republicans are. Do not conflate Republicans with Conservatism.
Conservatism by its nature holds the Constitution to be sacrosanct, and would never submit to any governing body other than those described in the Constitution.

[catfish1957]

The "conservatives" are pushing for open borders and world unity as well.

You keep saying that.  Can you list those "true" repeat "true" conservatives who are actually pushing that?

[Dexter]

You keep saying that.  Can you list those "true" repeat "true" conservatives who are actually pushing that?

It doesn't matter if you're a real conservative when the people you vote for are not. The one world agenda is being pushed by business interests that own both sides. The scientists are not the bad guys.

[Dexter]

And it IS as sinister as a one world government conspiracy. Get serious about fighting globalism or it's over.

[catfish1957]

The scientists are not the bad guys.

So a scientist who fabricates bad data that has global consequences is not a bad guy?

Interesting.

[roamer_1]

And it IS as sinister as a one world government conspiracy. Get serious about fighting globalism or it's over.

One facet of that is AGW.

[RoosGirl]

Ummmm, I did go to a big university.

Hah, I graduated from the largest university in the state. It is also now the largest university in the nation. I guess that doesn't count.

[roamer_1]

It doesn't matter if you're a real conservative when the people you vote for are not. The one world agenda is being pushed by business interests that own both sides. The scientists are not the bad guys.

The hell they ain't. They are at the beck and call of whoever lets out the grants, be it government or corporate. Science proves what the grantors want it to prove. It is a whore anymore, and likely always has been.

[roamer_1]

Hah, I graduated from the largest university in the state. It is also now the largest university in the nation. I guess that doesn't count.

Yeah, well... It is Florida after all... 

 

[Dexter]

One facet of that is AGW.

I don't think so. I think they will use your opposition to science to delegitimize everything you say so they can complete their goals.

[roamer_1]

I don't think so. I think they will use your opposition to science to delegitimize everything you say so they can complete their goals.

Then you are wrong. The only purpose of Kyoto and Paris was redistribution of primarily US funds into developing nations - redistribution on a massive scale.

And my opposition to science is well founded. You are artificially creating a rock and a hard place - Either I accept science and thereby accept global order, or I accept the direction of politics and accept global order.

I cry bullshit, and a pox on all their houses. I don't believe a damn one of em, because their hole cards are showing.

[thackney]

It doesn't matter if you're a real conservative when the people you vote for are not. The one world agenda is being pushed by business interests that own both sides. The scientists are not the bad guys.

The select group of scientists, distorting the data and ignoring some data to promote an agenda, they are a big part of the problem.  They push for government funding of their projects, paid by increased taxes of plans like the carbon tax.

[musiclady]

Ummmm, I did go to a big university.

@Dexter- not that this is at all relevant to intelligence nor wisdom, but I got my Master's Degree from THE Ohio State University, which one of the five largest universities in the country.

According to you, I should believe in AGW.....

and yet....................

[Smokin Joe]

Oh bullshit. In the first place, common sense is worth way more than knowledge, and is something scientists and collegians tend to be particularly lacking. They tend to be winnowed into a very focused field, but poured over with knowledge, and utterly lacking in experiences useful in comparison, makes for a particularly unwise combination ( @Smokin Joe certainly excepted)

Careful, for you sound like a cultist paying homage to a priesthood - Remember they all put their pants on one leg at a time, and half of them finished in the bottom of their class.

Good God no. There is no way in hell I would consider entering into those liberal hellholes. There is plenty of room for brilliance well away from your hallowed halls.

And when, during 150 years, exponentially more collection stations are installed in equatorial regions - far more than in northern climes, yet the data is treated as a flat average, scoffing is called for on its face.  When a collection station starts life in a cow pasture, and fifty years later is found surrounded by concrete and reflective metal buildings, yet the data is treated the very same, laughing and pointing is dang near required. That is the territory of idiocy. And these mistakes, and others like them are not single incidences, but rather, repeated over and over and over again. There is no excuse.

Total bullshit, spouted like an acolyte. People have shown you, over and over, with provable , well known examples, that the work is not merely flawed, but incredibly shoddy, underhanded, and politically motivated. Appealing to authorities like that just ain't gonna fly, Scooter.

@Dexter
@roamer_1
See:
https://www.foxnews.com/science/distorted-data-feds-close-600-weather-stations-amid-criticism-theyre-situated-to-report-warming

For an assessment of data collection sites and error introduced by development and/or poor siting, see: http://www.surfacestations.org/

Publication link: https://pielkeclimatesci.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/r-367.pdf

Garbage in, (and even then, the data are adjusted upward) garbage out....

[Smokin Joe]

The "conservatives" are pushing for open borders and world unity as well.

Those aren't Conservatives, they're liars.

[Dexter]

Those aren't Conservatives, they're liars.

Half of them are taking bribes from the Cock brothers and other open borders business people. They've infected the party so deeply it can't be trusted at all anymore in my opinion.

[Smokin Joe]

Then you are wrong. The only purpose of Kyoto and Paris was redistribution of primarily US funds into developing nations - redistribution on a massive scale.

And my opposition to science is well founded. You are artificially creating a rock and a hard place - Either I accept science and thereby accept global order, or I accept the direction of politics and accept global order.

I cry bullshit, and a pox on all their houses. I don't believe a damn one of em, because their hole cards are showing.

The purpose of Kyoto was redistribution of wealth, to be sure, but the most insidious part (like the "World Court") was to make national governments subject to an overriding authority which would in effect be a form of global government. If a Nation can't make its own decisions within its own borders, it isn't sovereign, effectively it has been reduced to a vassal state.

Establish enough precedent of forced compliance, for any reason short of a casus belli, and national borders become truly meaningless, much as the degradation of State government has been done in the US since 1865.

[mountaineer]

Half of them are taking bribes from the Cock brothers and other open borders business people. They've infected the party so deeply it can't be trusted at all anymore in my opinion.

Are you referring to the Kochs? If so, why not spell it correctly. Your concern for the Republican party's health is curious and doubtful, at best.

[Smokin Joe]

The select group of scientists, distorting the data and ignoring some data to promote an agenda, they are a big part of the problem.  They push for government funding of their projects, paid by increased taxes of plans like the carbon tax.

Even more insidious is that those doing legitimate science will be splattered with the stain of this scam when the lid is peeled back. All science will be subject to the lack of credibility that will ensue. While legitimate science can certainly withstand the scrutiny of doubting Thomases, the default trust we have long earned through integrity and self-policing will be gone.  Al Gore's use of a political podium and infotainment venues to promote a disaster that does not exist have done more damage to science perhaps than the scientists themselves. Lest we forget, Al is no climate scientist, either. (But he stood to make a grundle on carbon credits if he could panic the country into demanding the law requiring them). As it was, much of his 100 million dollar fortune came from this scam.

[Smokin Joe]

Half of them are taking bribes from the Cock brothers and other open borders business people. They've infected the party so deeply it can't be trusted at all anymore in my opinion.

If they are taking bribes, they are criminals. Conservatives believe in upholding laws which are Constitutional,. so, no, they aren't Conservative. They're 'pay for play' crooks. Which puts them in the same category as Hillary.

As for the Koch brothers funding research independent of the Universities which are sold out to AGW, someone has to pony up the money to do the research. The alternative would be a 'go fund me ' site or something--and that would likely be pulled down.

[thackney]

@Dexter- not that this is at all relevant to intelligence nor wisdom, but I got my Master's Degree from THE Ohio State University, which one of the five largest universities in the country.

According to you, I should believe in AGW.....

and yet....................

Now it is the 3rd largest.

O H ....

[Oceander]

The problem is you're all too damn smart to accept that there are a lot of things you don't understand, and that despite your impressive intelligence there are still a lot of people that would make all of us look objectively stupid by comparison.

No.  Most of us are smart enough to know that there are indicia of deceit and falsity that can be picked up even if one is not an expert in the subject matter in which the deception is being practiced.

[Dexter]

Are you referring to the Kochs? If so, why not spell it correctly. Your concern for the Republican party's health is curious and doubtful, at best.

Maintaining our nation takes priority. If that's actually what the Republicans were doing I'd vote for them.

[Dexter]

If they are taking bribes, they are criminals. Conservatives believe in upholding laws which are Constitutional,. so, no, they aren't Conservative. They're 'pay for play' crooks. Which puts them in the same category as Hillary.

As for the Koch brothers funding research independent of the Universities which are sold out to AGW, someone has to pony up the money to do the research. The alternative would be a 'go fund me ' site or something--and that would likely be pulled down.

Why do you trust research funded by the very business people that are pushing for open borders? Even Bernie Sanders isn't talking about that.

[Smokin Joe]

If you went to a big university you should understand how little of this world any one person is actually capable of understanding.

It isn't a question of how big a University is, but of the quality of the university. For instance, one of my High School classmates was invited to attend here: http://www.webb.edu/ Full ride, and the best. But not a "big" University.

[truth_seeker]

Global Warming solved:

1. Nuclear plants, to generate (most) electricity.

2. Big advancement of battery technology.

[Dexter]

Global Warming solved:

1. Nuclear plants, to generate (most) electricity.

2. Big advancement of battery technology.

I am all about nuclear energy. I think we should keep researching solar too though.

[Smokin Joe]

Global Warming solved:

1. Nuclear plants, to generate (most) electricity.

2. Big advancement of battery technology.

I think it is good to diversify our energy sources, as those become commercially viable. Unfortunately, both of those have a wee problem when they have reached the end of their service life, and waste disposal for nuke plants remains to be completely solved.

[Dexter]

waste disposal for nuke plants remains to be completely solved.

If we actually funded more research we could probably solve that problem. They have reactors now that can make use of recycled waste. Improve that technology. Also we could launch that stuff into space in blast proof containers.

[Free Vulcan]

I am not educated enough to question the authority we are discussing.

I am. Don't lump me into your world.

[musiclady]

Now it is the 3rd largest.

O H ....

I O!!!! 

I'm old enough so that when I went there, it was THE largest University in the country.   

[Frank Cannon]

The problem is you're all too damn smart to accept that there are a lot of things you don't understand, and that despite your impressive intelligence there are still a lot of people that would make all of us look objectively stupid by comparison.

I'll agree. You are a stupid person who doesn't have the intellectual heft to handle concepts past those on Sesame Street. Feel better now?

[thackney]

If we actually funded more research we could probably solve that problem. They have reactors now that can make use of recycled waste. Improve that technology. Also we could launch that stuff into space in blast proof containers.

France, Russia and Japan along with others have been recycling nuclear fuel for many decades.

Jimmy Carter shut down the US Nuclear recycling program and no politician has been willing to push it back into use.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/nuclear-fuel-cycle/fuel-recycling/processing-of-used-nuclear-fuel.aspx

https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/10/01/why-doesnt-u-s-recycle-nuclear-fuel/#37be0488390f

[Dexter]

France, Russia and Japan along with others have been recycling nuclear fuel for many decades.

Jimmy Carter shut down the US Nuclear recycling program and no politician has been willing to push it back into use.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/nuclear-fuel-cycle/fuel-recycling/processing-of-used-nuclear-fuel.aspx

https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/10/01/why-doesnt-u-s-recycle-nuclear-fuel/#37be0488390f

I am a huge nuclear advocate. I actually got into a heated disagreement with my dad who is horrified of AGW but not willing to make use of the absolute best source of efficient and clean energy we have.