Arrest made in Mollie Tibbetts murder, suspect held on federal immigration detainer, reports say

[Suppressed]

Is it possible for an 'illegal alien' to legitimately pass an E Verify check?

There's a failure rate for the system itself.  Plus, someone could use a false identity.

[skeeter]

There's a failure rate for the system itself.  Plus, someone could use a false identity.

So I take it there's no E Verify cut-out for certain people otherwise meeting the definition of illegal.

'Cause it wouldn't surprise me at all if there were.

[Suppressed]

I don't know whether this has been posted yet, but here's the arrest warrant:
http://www.dps.state.ia.us/commis/pib/Releases/2018/08-21-2018_DCI_ArrestWarrantComplaintAffidavit.pdf

[Wingnut]

I don't know whether this has been posted yet, but here's the arrest warrant:
http://www.dps.state.ia.us/commis/pib/Releases/2018/08-21-2018_DCI_ArrestWarrantComplaintAffidavit.pdf

What does "race: O"  mean?

[dfwgator]

There's a failure rate for the system itself.  Plus, someone could use a false identity.

E-Verify is only there to make it look like the government is doing something.

[jpsb]

Yes, he's a dismal failure, but at least he tried.


Too bad some people thought he was good at negotiation and getting things done.

People like you are the problem.

[jpsb]

Is it possible for an 'illegal alien' to legitimately pass an E Verify check?

Identity thief

[TomSea]

There is a story out now, that Rivera's lawyer says even, that Rivera is not illegal. A number of news reports ran with the story he is "illegal", "undocumented" and so on.

Lawyer: Rivera is Not an Illegal Immigrant; Condemns President's Comments
 1:25 p.m.

...

     An attorney for the man charged with murder in the death of an Iowa college student is claiming the government is wrong in its statements that he is in the country illegally.

     Allan M. Richards, an attorney for Cristhian Bahena Rivera, stated in a court document filed Wednesday that an employer has said Rivera is in the U.S. legally. The document names Craig Lang, a former head of the Iowa Board of Regents who is co-owner of a dairy that employed Rivera. The Lang family said in a statement Tuesday that Rivera's immigration status had been confirmed by an E-Verify electronic immigration status check.

     Richards argued for a gag order in the case and mentioned President Donald Trump, who he described as "sad and sorry Trump." Trump mentioned the case at a rally Tuesday night in West Virginia and said it demonstrated the need for tougher immigration laws.

Read more at: https://www.kaaltv.com/news/brooklyn-iowa-cristhian-bahena-rivera-mollie-tibbetts-murder-latest/5041333/?cat=10218

[Gefn]

May her loved ones and friends find peace,

[roamer_1]

There's a failure rate for the system itself.  Plus, someone could use a false identity.

A single monolithic system, like every other federal system, is easy to exploit.
A loosely confederated federalist system would be less so...

[Smokin Joe]

We can't have perfect border security with the congress as it is, a fully secured wall but even if we had near perfect security, people would get in. It's always been that way. We don't know if the next person who acts up could be on a visa overstay and things like that.

True, people even got past the Berlin Wall. But dozens instead of millions sounds like a step in the right direction.

[Smokin Joe]

@jpsb

It's pretty lame and maybe even shameful that people would use the murder of this poor girl in Iowa to attack the president.

What's next? Blaming Bush for 911? It does show the heavy burden that was on Bush's and that administration's shoulder though, under their watch.  They basically looked at the ME and Iraq through that prism, right or wrong.

In fairness, this is one POTUS who has advocated border security, even to the point of taking Ted's idea of a wall and co-opting it. So build the darned thing.

We both know that if Congress wasn't packed to the rafters with liars, then something would have been done by now, to secure the border, to repeal Obamacare, and to actually write a budget instead of spending badly enough to embarrass drunken sailors who are compared to them. Subversion by lesser political entities, from Governors to City Councils should be cause for a thrashing, using whatever means can be lawfully and Constitutionally mustered, including charges for sedition. Declare border security a National Security issue, after all: "to provide for the common defense..." is one of  the big reasons for the very compact that is the basis for our Republic.

[TomSea]

In fairness, this is one POTUS who has advocated border security, even to the point of taking Ted's idea of a wall and co-opting it. So build the darned thing.

We both know that if Congress wasn't packed to the rafters with liars, then something would have been done by now, to secure the border, to repeal Obamacare, and to actually write a budget instead of spending badly enough to embarrass drunken sailors who are compared to them. Subversion by lesser political entities, from Governors to City Councils should be cause for a thrashing, using whatever means can be lawfully and Constitutionally mustered, including charges for sedition. Declare border security a National Security issue, after all: "to provide for the common defense..." is one of  the big reasons for the very compact that is the basis for our Republic.

Ted? Do you mean Senator Cruz who endorsed Trump in 2016 and expects to in 2020 and invited him to help him campaign in Texas?

Anyway, now we are finding out, the farm may have verified the SS # and not used e-verify and that may have happened during the Obama administration, Trump has been in office for only about 18 months.

Also, I do consider your point of "co-opting" unproven. The evidence may be there, it may not. I thought the primary season was over. I didn't realize that people kept the primary candidates going. I don't think they did that when Reagan vied for the Republican nomination in 1968 but again, the evidence may be there.

[Smokin Joe]

Ted? Do you mean Senator Cruz who endorsed Trump in 2016 and expects to in 2020 and invited him to help him campaign in Texas?

Anyway, now we are finding out, the farm may have verified the SS # and not used e-verify and that may have happened during the Obama administration, Trump has been in office for only about 18 months.

Also, I do consider your point of "co-opting" unproven. The evidence may be there, it may not. I thought the primary season was over. I didn't realize that people kept the primary candidates going. I don't think they did that when Reagan vied for the Republican nomination in 1968 but again, the evidence may be there.

Sorry, Tom, I thought the fact that Cruz was advocating a wall long before Trump declared candidacy was so well known that I was simply stating fact. In any team play, the ball gets passed around, so who cares so long as it moves the right direction on the field? Problem is, it isn't moving very far or very well.

3rd down and long yardage....

If you read what i said instead of thinking I'm slamming Trump, I'm laying the blame for the problem squarely on the abundant steps of Capitol Hill, where it belongs, and in the Statehouses and City Halls where the concept of "sanctuary" for lawbreakers is advocated. But Congress has been behaving unconstitutionally for all of our little lifespans, with maybe an exception or two on the board, who are older than dirt. Constitutionally, the POTUS can only do so much without the cooperation of the selfsame Congress dominated by a Party who assured us all they were going to address these (and other) issues, instead of sitting on their smelly thumbs. 

[TomSea]

Numbers USA keeps tabs on politicians, at least, the candidates from 2016's views on immigration. I never heard no such thing about "co-opting" and I see no need to go dig the info up, but that organization, NUMBERS USA and perhaps others, probably keep pretty good records if one wants to prove their point. If anything, I thought I saw an article that said Rubio and Cruz moved closer to Trump's immigration position for whatever good this history will do us.

[Silver Pines]

May her loved ones and friends find peace,

@Freya

Amen.

[TomSea]

Sorry, Tom, I thought the fact that Cruz was advocating a wall long before Trump declared candidacy was so well known that I was simply stating fact. In any team play, the ball gets passed around, so who cares so long as it moves the right direction on the field? Problem is, it isn't moving very far or very well.

3rd down and long yardage....

If you read what i said instead of thinking I'm slamming Trump, I'm laying the blame for the problem squarely on the abundant steps of Capitol Hill, where it belongs, and in the Statehouses and City Halls where the concept of "sanctuary" for lawbreakers is advocated. But Congress has been behaving unconstitutionally for all of our little lifespans, with maybe an exception or two on the board, who are older than dirt. Constitutionally, the POTUS can only do so much without the cooperation of the selfsame Congress dominated by a Party who assured us all they were going to address these (and other) issues, instead of sitting on their smelly thumbs.

Cruz advocated for a fence not a wall in legislation.  He also referred to a prior bill in 2006 that funded the fence.

Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, pointed to a 2006 law requiring 700 miles of double-layer border fencing. Unfortunately, in 2007 another Texas Republican helped the Democrat Congress change that.

Presidential candidate Ted Cruz told Fox's Sean Hannity, "Existing federal law is quite robust" on border security, and "There should be 700 miles of double-layer fencing built along our southern border."

He added: "The Obama administration has about 30 miles built. If I am elected president, we will build it. What is missing is the presidential will to get it done."

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/congress-prevented-border-fence-law-implementation/

I doubt if he has a patent on that form of border security and I'm sure others have advocated for it prior. It seems to have been a common idea for a long time.

[Smokin Joe]

Numbers USA keeps tabs on politicians, at least, the candidates from 2016's views on immigration. I never heard no such thing about "co-opting" and I see no need to go dig the info up, but that organization, NUMBERS USA and perhaps others, probably keep pretty good records if one wants to prove their point. If anything, I thought I saw an article that said Rubio and Cruz moved closer to Trump's immigration position for whatever good this history will do us.

During the 2012 Republican primary race for U.S. Senate in Texas, Cruz stated that he favored building a wall along the entire U.S.-Mexico border.[74]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ted_Cruz
I believe that antedated Mr. Trump's advocacy by a significant amount. This was pointed out during the primary season as well, but by then some folks just would not listen. The article source is referenced: Janet Hook, Ted Cruz Flips on Trade Bill on Eve of Key Senate Vote, Wall Street Journal (June 23, 2015). so feel free to look it up for yourself.

The primaries are over, and Cruz would support the construction, even if Trump took credit for the idea much later.

[TomSea]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ted_Cruz
I believe that antedated Mr. Trump's advocacy by a significant amount. This was pointed out during the primary season as well, but by then some folks just would not listen. The article source is referenced: Janet Hook, Ted Cruz Flips on Trade Bill on Eve of Key Senate Vote, Wall Street Journal (June 23, 2015). so feel free to look it up for yourself.

The primaries are over, and Cruz would support the construction, even if Trump took credit for the idea much later.

Bill already existed in 2006 to build the "fence" repeating:

Border: Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, pointed to a 2006 law requiring 700 miles of double-layer border fencing. Unfortunately, in 2007 another Texas Republican helped the Democrat Congress change that.

Presidential candidate Ted Cruz told Fox's Sean Hannity, "Existing federal law is quite robust" on border security, and "There should be 700 miles of double-layer fencing built along our southern border."

He added: "The Obama administration has about 30 miles built. If I am elected president, we will build it. What is missing is the presidential will to get it done."

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/congress-prevented-border-fence-law-implementation/

Again, referring to a law that already existed.

700 miles, so, the full border is something like 1200 miles I thought, so politicians may add in their own ideas to an idea that already exists.

[TomSea]

This is a bit off the direct subject of poor Mollie but make no mistake, the Tortilla Curtain has existed for a long time. It's just not complete.  Who had the first idea to have one? It might really go back.. Ike? Before that? It's probably nothing to have deep concern about. The thing is, is to finally build it and make sure it's secured.

But hey, let's give others the credit, we might as well as give them credit for being the very first constitutional politician.

[Silver Pines]

This is a bit off the direct subject of poor Mollie but make no mistake, the Tortilla Curtain has existed for a long time. It's just not complete.  Who had the first idea to have one? It might really go back.. Ike? Before that? It's probably nothing to have deep concern about. The thing is, is to finally build it and make sure it's secured.

But hey, let's give others the credit, we might as well as give them credit for being the very first constitutional politician.

@TomSea

[TomSea]

@CatherineofAragon
@Smokin Joe

CofA I suppose that's better than writing vulgar things to people as smokin' joe is once again, saying a lot about some people.

This is why I contend, I'm probably a bigger supporter of Cruz than you two or others on this forum, I don't feel like I have to use to profanity in addressing other people or call  forum members mean names or act vulgar towards others ("thumbs" statement and don't give me that, that that is just how someone talks, horsefeathers, that looks like contrived nasty behavior) or discount some things that Senator Ted Cruz says (such as his support of Trump) or be dishonest or not support the party or act like I've never even heard the words he said nor claim he invented the wall (or nearly so) or the constitution or things like that including Aragon's well known personal attacks.  Or post soft porn and claim Ted Cruz is speaking profanity in jokes as others have in pictures that seem off topic and derail the conversation and thread.

Is that clear? Is their any question why some and maybe most alleged TC supporters are not even read closely in what they say?

[Smokin Joe]

@CatherineofAragon
@Smokin Joe

CofA I suppose that's better than writing vulgar things to people as smokin' joe is once again, saying a lot about some people.

This is why I contend, I'm probably a bigger supporter of Cruz than you two or others on this forum, I don't feel like I have to use to profanity in addressing other people or call names or act vulgar towards others or discount some things that Senator Ted Cruz says or be dishonest or not support the party or act like I've never even heard the words he said nor claim he invented the wall (or nearly so) or the constitution or things like that.

@TomSea Lying is unbecoming for anyone, which is why assertions that a GOP candidate for POYUS was a liar, repeated often, doubtless had an effect on the candidate, regardless of the lack of veracity in that repeated assertion.

 What vulgarity do you refer to, Tom?

BTW, I fully support my Political Party: The Constitution Party. I haven't been a Republican for years. Walls have been around for thousands of years, but I believe Sen. Cruz references to one between the US and Mexico antedates any such reference by the POTUS. I had heard Cruz refer to one before Mr. Trump was even a candidate.

This is a discussion forum. If I am wrong, provide a source. Prove it. I provided a source and you got all snarky about it, rather than simply support your assertions.

So, either put up or shut up, and provide a link to any vulgarities I posted.

[TomSea]

I don't have to fabricate statements that so and so came up with an idea for the wall and then, offer no back up but shrug my shoulders, everyone knows that. I don't have to place in vulgar speech to make my point. Like I said, I'm actually much more supportive of Cruz than others, I try not to engage in this kind of behavior.

[Smokin Joe]

I don't have to fabricate statements that so and so came up with an idea for the wall and then, offer no back up but shrug my shoulders, everyone knows that. I don't have to place in vulgar speech to make my point. Like I said, I'm actually much more supportive of Cruz than others, I try not to engage in this kind of behavior.

Once again you imply that I used vulgar speech.

I asked you for a link, that speech you claim was vulgar. This is your response? Seriously?

You have nothing, and this whole discussion is about as off topic as it gets.

I really don't care who builds the wall, nor who gets credit, really. Your assertions can go on until you have typed your fingers to bloody stumps, but that won't change what is or what was, or for that matter, what was not.

Have a nice day!