New Report Suggest Trump Is Preparing To Nix Obama-Era Lightbulb Rules

[mystery-ak]

New Report Suggest Trump Is Preparing To Nix Obama-Era Lightbulb Rules
4:27 PM 08/08/2018
Chris White | Energy Reporter

The Trump administration is preparing to repeal an Obama-era rule effectively outlawing a wide swath of popular lightbulbs, The Washington Post reported Wednesday.

The Department of Energy is ready to scrap a rule broadening the number of lightbulbs that must meet strict energy efficiency standards set to take effect in 2020, according to a document the agency published on its website. The document was later removed from the site, WaPo noted.

Former President Barack Obama’s DOE expanded the class of bulbs covered by a 2007 lightbulb ban to include bug lights, three-way bulbs, “rough service lamps,” and some decorative bulbs, such as globe-shaped bulbs. Obama’s decision came in January 2017 and roped in bulbs that had previously been exempt from the ban.

Obama officials argued the expansion was needed because consumers might use the unregulated bulbs to replace regulated ones. “DOE expects these sales will likely increase since these lamps could be used as replacements for other regulated lamp types,” the law notes. The Trump administration is clamming up about the change.

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http://dailycaller.com/2018/08/08/obama-light-bulbs-trump-energy/

[Wingnut]

The Shrub started this whole crap to put an end to the safe and economical 100+ y/o edison bulb for the crap we have to deal with now. 

[Sanguine]

I've switched over to mostly LED.  I like the lack of heat, and if you get the "warm" bulbs the light looks like incandescent bulbs.

[Wingnut]

I've switched over to mostly LED.  I like the lack of heat, and if you get the "warm" bulbs the light looks like incandescent bulbs.

You communist sympathizer you!

[Elderberry]

The Shrub started this whole crap to put an end to the safe and economical 100+ y/o edison bulb for the crap we have to deal with now.

The incandescent bulbs that were outlawed could in all honesty NOT be considered an "Edison Bulb". The Edison Bulb just lasted way too long to satisfy the greed of the manufacturers. So they all colluded and degraded Edison's bulb to burn out quickly, so that customers would have to buy more and more replacements.

[DCPatriot]

MAGA!!!!     

NEWSBREAK:  Cost of light bulbs to plummet!

The cost of the current 'Obama bulb' will be $2.99 tops.

[Sanguine]

You communist sympathizer you!

I know, right?

[thackney]

The incandescent bulbs that were outlawed could in all honesty NOT be considered an "Edison Bulb". The Edison Bulb just lasted way too long to satisfy the greed of the manufacturers. So they all colluded and degraded Edison's bulb to burn out quickly, so that customers would have to buy more and more replacements.

http://www.centennialbulb.org/facts.htm

Age: 117 years (as of June 2018)
Installed: First installed at the fire department hose cart house on L Street in 1901. Shortly after it moved to the main firehouse on Second. In 1903 it was moved to the new Station 1 on First and McLeod, and survived the renovation of the Firehouse in 1937, when it was off for about a week.

[Smokin Joe]

I've switched over to mostly LED.  I like the lack of heat, and if you get the "warm" bulbs the light looks like incandescent bulbs.

At this latitude (ND, 70 miles from Canada), in summer we have up to 16 hours of daylight, in winter (and we have winter, with a capital 'W') we get up to 16 hours of dark. In summer, we don't use the light bulbs much, in winter there is no such thing as "waste heat". When our Congressional idiots voted for this dreck spewing nonsense about waste heat, we knew they had become swamp creatures, and only visited in the height of the campaign season (when the length of the day is about the same as Washington, DC.

As a more nostalgic note, my little sister had one of the old "Easy Bake Ovens" (for which I was the lab rat in chief). It used a 100 watt light bulb as the heat source. Sometimes the heat is a good thing, and folks have used heat lamps, and sometimes mere incandescent bulbs to keep water lines from freezing.

[Smokin Joe]

The incandescent bulbs that were outlawed could in all honesty NOT be considered an "Edison Bulb". The Edison Bulb just lasted way too long to satisfy the greed of the manufacturers. So they all colluded and degraded Edison's bulb to burn out quickly, so that customers would have to buy more and more replacements.

When the 'ban' was in the works (because government can be relied on to do something if it is stupid) I bought a 'stash' of hospitality industry grade bulbs. The filaments are heavier and better supported than the ordinary incandescents and they outlasted that vintage of ordinary bulb by a factor of 4 or so. By the time the ban was really close to going into effect, the average Walmart 60W bulb burned out in a couple of months, a degradation of service life that might make one think they were either out to thwart the idea of stocking up on incandescents or that would frustrate customers into getting those screw shaped things because they  were spending almost as much replacing the crappy incandescents that were being sold.

[Sanguine]

At this latitude (ND, 70 miles from Canada), in summer we have up to 16 hours of daylight, in winter (and we have winter, with a capital 'W') we get up to 16 hours of dark. In summer, we don't use the light bulbs much, in winter there is no such thing as "waste heat". When our Congressional idiots voted for this dreck spewing nonsense about waste heat, we knew they had become swamp creatures, and only visited in the height of the campaign season (when the length of the day is about the same as Washington, DC.

As a more nostalgic note, my little sister had one of the old "Easy Bake Ovens" (for which I was the lab rat in chief). It used a 100 watt light bulb as the heat source. Sometimes the heat is a good thing, and folks have used heat lamps, and sometimes mere incandescent bulbs to keep water lines from freezing.

I understand that.  I keep an incandescent bulb and a heat lamp bulb in the well house, and turn one of them on depending on how cold it will get.  But, that's for a couple of months at night occasionally here. 

[Frank Cannon]

How many mice does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

Two, but it's cramped.

[Wingnut]

Back in the day. Com Ed would give you a few free bulbs a month if you presented your paid electric bill ot the local office.  Last fall I was home visiting my Dad and was looking for something in the basement.  I opened an old storage cab and found over 50 4 packs of different wattage bulbs. 10 or more 3 ways and  various 200, and 300 watt bulbs.  It was the holy grail of bulbs. 

[Elderberry]

The Great Internet Light Bulb Book, Part I
Incandescent including halogen light bulbs
Copyright (C) 1996, 2000, 2005, 2006 Donald L. Klipstein (Jr) (don@donklipstein.com)
Freely distributing copies of this entire document or un-HTML-ized text versions thereof is permitted and encouraged.

http://donklipstein.com/bulb1.html

    History
    Basic principles
    Luminous efficiency
    Vacuum vs. gas-filled bulbs
    How bulbs burn out
    Why bulbs often burn out when you turn them on
    Why burnout is sometimes so spectacular
    How bad a current surge bulbs draw when turned on
    Making bulbs last longer
    Long-life bulbs
    Reduced power
    Soft start devices
    DC vs. AC operation
    Why making bulbs last longer often does not pay
    How to minimize lighting costs
    Halogen bulbs
    The halogen cycle
    Lifetime and efficiency of halogen bulbs
    Halogen bulb failure modes
    Use of halogen bulbs with dimmers
    Ultraviolet from halogen bulbs

[Smokin Joe]

I understand that.  I keep an incandescent bulb and a heat lamp bulb in the well house, and turn one of them on depending on how cold it will get.  But, that's for a couple of months at night occasionally here.

I guess the point is, once again, one size does not fit all. To ban alternatives is to deny people the ability to choose what is appropriate for their circumstances. When government does things, no matter how supposedly good their intentions, that limit the ability of the individual to adapt to their own particular circumstances, they create problems unnecessarily, something all too often counterproductive.

[Bigun]

I guess the point is, once again, one size does not fit all. To ban alternatives is to deny people the ability to choose what is appropriate for their circumstances. When government does things, no matter how supposedly good their intentions, that limit the ability of the individual to adapt to their own particular circumstances, they create problems unnecessarily, something all too often counterproductive.

@Smokin Joe

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."

Daniel Webster

[INVAR]

The Shrub started this whole crap to put an end to the safe and economical 100+ y/o edison bulb for the crap we have to deal with now.

This is correct lest we forget.

Bush the Lesser was the one who signed the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 into law which essentially banned incandescents.  Of course there were plenty of Republicans who helped craft that bill alongside Democrats.

[jpsb]

http://www.centennialbulb.org/facts.htm

Age: 117 years (as of June 2018)
Installed: First installed at the fire department hose cart house on L Street in 1901. Shortly after it moved to the main firehouse on Second. In 1903 it was moved to the new Station 1 on First and McLeod, and survived the renovation of the Firehouse in 1937, when it was off for about a week.

Cool, thanks for the link.

[Sanguine]

I guess the point is, once again, one size does not fit all. To ban alternatives is to deny people the ability to choose what is appropriate for their circumstances. When government does things, no matter how supposedly good their intentions, that limit the ability of the individual to adapt to their own particular circumstances, they create problems unnecessarily, something all too often counterproductive.

Not only that, it stymies the competition. 

[Smokin Joe]

Not only that, it stymies the competition.

Actually, it is even more nefarious than that. It removes the option for people to keep doing/using what they have, and forces them to buy something they don't. It is a tax, coerced commerce. If the government could figure out a way to make claw hammers obsolete, they would.

[Fishrrman]

One more excellent move from the Trump administration.

Ok, how about getting rid of that ridiculous 2.5 gallons-per-minute rule for shower heads?

Aside:
Still using a grungy old Speakman shower head with no restrictions at all, and I'll keep using it until it falls apart...

[Smokin Joe]

One more excellent move from the Trump administration.

Ok, how about getting rid of that ridiculous 2.5 gallons-per-minute rule for shower heads?

Aside:
Still using a grungy old Speakman shower head with no restrictions at all, and I'll keep using it until it falls apart...

A little 'doctoring' on that shower head with a drill bit and a hairy fellow can get wet without waiting a week.

[thackney]

A little 'doctoring' on that shower head with a drill bit and a hairy fellow can get wet without waiting a week.

Many of them have a rubber/plastic insert that can be popped off.

I found another solution.  Our remodeled shower has double controls and 4 heads.  A couple of those heads have been "improved".

[Wingnut]

A little 'doctoring' on that shower head with a drill bit and a hairy fellow can get wet without waiting a week.

is it so easy a caveman could do it?

[Smokin Joe]

is it so easy a caveman could do it?

Do cavemen take showers?

[darroll]

The last time we bought a florescent screw in bulb it cost about $12.00.

[Suppressed]

In summer, we don't use the light bulbs much, in winter there is no such thing as "waste heat".

To be fair, I blasted the state environmental guy about this, and he insisted they took the heat savings into consideration on the energy savings calculations.

I went and researched it, and looked at EPA's calculations, and realized I had egg on my face.  They did, indeed, take winter heating into account.  Of course, there's still energy waste via T&D that doesn't help with heating, so there was still a lot of savings even in winter.

I'm very glad that LED research was spurred by this, and that we don't have to deal with the CFLs much anymore.  Thank goodness for the pseudo-white LED!

[Smokin Joe]

To be fair, I blasted the state environmental guy about this, and he insisted they took the heat savings into consideration on the energy savings calculations.

I went and researched it, and looked at EPA's calculations, and realized I had egg on my face.  They did, indeed, take winter heating into account.  Of course, there's still energy waste via T&D that doesn't help with heating, so there was still a lot of savings even in winter.

I'm very glad that LED research was spurred by this, and that we don't have to deal with the CFLs much anymore.  Thank goodness for the pseudo-white LED!

Which State?
Latitude makes a difference. (seasonal variation in the duration of daylight, especially)

[Suppressed]

Which State?
Latitude makes a difference. (seasonal variation in the duration of daylight, especially)

They looked at all states.  It was federal research.  I'll admit that I don't recall details now -- this was about 7-10 years ago.  I just recall the results being different from what I expected of them.

[mirraflake]

Ok, how about getting rid of that ridiculous 2.5 gallons-per-minute rule for shower heads?

I own a office building. The guy who does our plumbing purchased a commerial grade toilet, installed it in our house and billed our corporation for a write off. Hows that? LOL Our way of sticking it the gov't twice.

No double flushing needed. It would suck down a bowling bowl.  The only thng is you an hear it a mile away when it flushes.

@Fishrrman