Am I The Only Person Who Didn’t Care About Trump’s Russia Statement?

[endicom]

Townhall
Derek Hunter
July 19, 2018

The world ended this week, or so you might have thought if you watched or read any news after the joint press conference between President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday. From the moment it ended, the freak out from the left and the Trump-hating right has been raging with no sign of slowing or rational thought. In the midst of all the pearl-clutching and panic, I have to ask one simple question – am I the only person who doesn’t care what the president said?

There hasn’t been this level of outrage since…the last time. Just after the summit with North Korea the pundit and professional complainer class engaged their fainting couches over the US and North Korean flags flying next to one another. “This was a propaganda victory for Kim Jong-Un,” they cried as if a dictator willing to starve his own people and murder an uncle with an anti-aircraft gun needs to boost his poll numbers back home and that picture ensured his reelection, or something.

More... https://townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/2018/07/19/am-i-the-only-person-who-didnt-care-about-trumps-russia-statement-n2501447

[dfwgator]

I want better relations with Russia. Maybe Trump’s gambit will pay off and maybe it won’t. But it sure wasn’t going to happen with anyone else.

[endicom]

I want better relations with Russia. Maybe Trump’s gambit will pay off and maybe it won’t. But it sure wasn’t going to happen with anyone else.

We should at least cooperate where our interests coincide. I believe that U.S. and Russian intelligence agencies have each warned the other of pending domestic terrorist threats so I'd like to see that continue.

[Free Vulcan]

Pearl clutchers on fainting couches indeed.

[truth_seeker]

I want better relations with Russia. Maybe Trump’s gambit will pay off and maybe it won’t. But it sure wasn’t going to happen with anyone else.

I also want "better" relations with Russia, but not "better" as defined by the democrats, the media and some increasingly predictable WEAK Republican Trump critics.

[Cyber Liberty]

I don't care either.  I'm not a huge Trump supporter, but I just don't think it's important to anybody except people who are predisposed to find fault no matter what he does.

[Bigun]

Nope!  Definitely not.

[Restored]

It was much ado about nothing. Basically, that explains the whole Trump presidency.

[Silver Pines]

I don't care either.  I'm not a huge Trump supporter, but I just don't think it's important to anybody except people who are predisposed to find fault no matter what he does.

@Cyber Liberty, that's not so.  I have a problem with it, and I've been generally positive about Trump these past weeks, even defended him against the left.  For some here, NeverTrump status is permanent, no matter what, but I don't think you feel that way.

I hang out on Twitter, and I know how widespread the condemnation has been, even from Trump supporters.  Even those muppets at Fox and Friends were displeased.

@Free Vulcan

For the record, I've never fainted in my life, and I hate pearls.

 

[endicom]

For the record, I've never fainted in my life...

It's not if you faint but if you melt when reaching the ground.   ^-^

[the_doc]

@CatherineofAragon
@Cyber Liberty

@Cyber Liberty, that's not so.  I have a problem with it, and I've been generally positive about Trump these past weeks, even defended him against the left.  For some here, NeverTrump status is permanent, no matter what, but I don't think you feel that way.

I hang out on Twitter, and I know how widespread the condemnation has been, even from Trump supporters.  Even those muppets at Fox and Friends were displeased.

@Free Vulcan

For the record, I've never fainted in my life, and I hate pearls.

 

FWIW, here are my two cents: 

1)  Trump has good reason not to trust the Intelligence Community as represented by Brennan, Clapper, and Comey/McCabe/Strzok--especially since their info has been inarguably tainted by the DNC, the Clinton Foundation, the State Department of HRC and Kerry, the Obama DOJ (Holder, Lynch) and the Mueller team.  These American institutions are Trump's enemies.  Coincidentally, they are America's enemies.  No doubt about it.

2)  See also my thread on Putin's statement about the NWO and Satanism (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,325159.0/topicseen.html).  Putin is radically opposed to the global cabal known as the NWO, as is Trump.  In this narrow sense, Trump may find it useful to invoke the risky but sometimes useful axiom "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."  (Putin is a fierce and not altogether trustworthy competitor [to say the least] of the United States, but Putin hates the Deep State Cabal that happens to be bent on destroying our Republic.  In a manner of speaking, even if Trump did not collude with Putin in 2016, perhaps he should entertain colluding with him now on behalf of our Republic.) 

Rumor has it that Putin has now given Trump a huge amount of electronic/digital intelligence to use against the Deep State.

(Anyway, the whole thing is a mess--even bigger than a lot of conservatives have realized.  When conservative officeholders and media personalities complain that Trump was playing too nice with Putin, it may be because they do not know what Trump knows and do not know what Trump is doing.  [On the more positive side of these matters, recent surveys have shown that the overwhelming majority of Republicans think Trump did a fine job in Helsinki.])   

[DCPatriot]

@CatherineofAragon
@Cyber Liberty
FWIW, here are my two cents: 

1)  Trump has good reason not to trust the Intelligence Community as represented by Brennan, Clapper, and Comey/McCabe/Strzok--especially since their info has been inarguably tainted by the DNC, the Clinton Foundation, the State Department of HRC and Kerry, the Obama DOJ (Holder, Lynch) and the Mueller team.  These American institutions are Trump's enemies.  Coincidentally, they are America's enemies.  No doubt about it.

2)  See also my thread on Putin's statement about the NWO and Satanism (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,325159.0/topicseen.html).  Putin is radically opposed to the global cabal known as the NWO, as is Trump.  In this narrow sense, Trump may find it useful to invoke the risky but sometimes useful axiom "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."  (Putin is a fierce and not altogether trustworthy competitor [to say the least] of the United States, but Putin hates the Deep State Cabal that happens to be bent on destroying our Republic.  In a manner of speaking, even if Trump did not collude with Putin in 2016, perhaps he should entertain colluding with him now on behalf of our Republic.) 

Rumor has it that Putin has now given Trump a huge amount of electronic/digital intelligence to use against the Deep State.

(Anyway, the whole thing is a mess--even bigger than a lot of conservatives have realized.  When conservative officeholders and media personalities complain that Trump was playing too nice with Putin, it may be because they do not know what Trump knows and do not know what Trump is doing.  [On the more positive side of these matters, recent surveys have shown that the overwhelming majority of Republicans think Trump did a fine job in Helsinki.])

Your terrific post reads like a Robert Ludlum or Ian Fleming plot line.   Love it!   

Truth is indeed, stranger than fiction.

[Silver Pines]

@CatherineofAragon
@Cyber Liberty
FWIW, here are my two cents: 

1)  Trump has good reason not to trust the Intelligence Community as represented by Brennan, Clapper, and Comey/McCabe/Strzok--especially since their info has been inarguably tainted by the DNC, the Clinton Foundation, the State Department of HRC and Kerry, the Obama DOJ (Holder, Lynch) and the Mueller team.  These American institutions are Trump's enemies.  Coincidentally, they are America's enemies.  No doubt about it.

2)  See also my thread on Putin's statement about the NWO and Satanism (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,325159.0/topicseen.html).  Putin is radically opposed to the global cabal known as the NWO, as is Trump.  In this narrow sense, Trump may find it useful to invoke the risky but sometimes useful axiom "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."  (Putin is a fierce and not altogether trustworthy competitor [to say the least] of the United States, but Putin hates the Deep State Cabal that happens to be bent on destroying our Republic.  In a manner of speaking, even if Trump did not collude with Putin in 2016, perhaps he should entertain colluding with him now on behalf of our Republic.) 

Rumor has it that Putin has now given Trump a huge amount of electronic/digital intelligence to use against the Deep State.

(Anyway, the whole thing is a mess--even bigger than a lot of conservatives have realized.  When conservative officeholders and media personalities complain that Trump was playing too nice with Putin, it may be because they do not know what Trump knows and do not know what Trump is doing.  [On the more positive side of these matters, recent surveys have shown that the overwhelming majority of Republicans think Trump did a fine job in Helsinki.])

@the_doc

Nope.  Putin a “religious traditionalist” in a war against evil?  What?

He has his opponents KILLED, for the love of God.

[XenaLee]

@the_doc

Nope.  Putin a “religious traditionalist” in a war against evil?  What?

He has his opponents KILLED, for the love of God.

But then......

so does the Clintons.  And yet.... if left up to the rats, Hillary would be in the White House right now.

[Frank Cannon]

I hang out on Twitter....

So you are one of the three non famous live people there. Good to know.

[DCPatriot]

@the_doc

Nope.  Putin a “religious traditionalist” in a war against evil?  What?

He has his opponents KILLED, for the love of God.

What he apparently means is that Putin draws a 'red line' at radical Islamic terror.

[the_doc]

@the_doc

Nope.  Putin a “religious traditionalist” in a war against evil?  What?

He has his opponents KILLED, for the love of God.

By way of response, I would say that the mystery of iniquity is way worse than most people realize.  (See below.)

***

I am not overlooking Putin's murderous history, nor am I claiming that I have noticed a more recent change in his spirit.  I frankly suspect that Putin is a reprobate of the religious variety.  History is full of these. 

A lot of hell-bound folks substitute traditionalism for real Christianity.  This has been true for two millennia.  It is one of the most common (and spiritually deadly) mistakes in the mess of what we call christendom. 

Perhaps Putin's natural aversions to same-sex marriage and pedophilia have convinced him that he's a good guy after all, perhaps even convincing him that he's God's man to restore traditional morality in Russia.  (Russians are "tradition freaks," by the way.)  Unfortunately, moralistic aversions such as Putin's do not constitute a person as a Christian, nor does a devotion to religious traditions.  Sometimes a poor fool's conscience gets turned upside down and hardens that poor fool into a murderous Pharisee (a traditionalist/"conservative") who excuses his own murderous behavior.  Mafia Godfathers are good examples of this.  Many if not most of them claim to be Christians, and they fund charities, and they support important institutions such as marriage.

My point is that I have never said Putin is a good guy.  I also don't endorse all of the stuff in the article I linked.  My point still stands:  I think Trump is more likely to trust Putin than to trust the the Deep State that is definitely trying to destroy America.     

[mountaineer]

Well said, @the_doc

[Silver Pines]

But then......

so does the Clintons.  And yet.... if left up to the rats, Hillary would be in the White House right now.

@XenaLee

Lol, unreal

[Silver Pines]

By way of response, I would say that the mystery of iniquity is way worse than most people realize.  (See below.)

***

I am not overlooking Putin's murderous history, nor am I claiming that I have noticed a more recent change in his spirit.  I frankly suspect that Putin is a reprobate of the religious variety.  History is full of these. 

A lot of hell-bound folks substitute traditionalism for real Christianity.  This has been true for two millennia.  It is one of the most common (and spiritually deadly) mistakes in the mess of what we call christendom. 

Perhaps Putin's natural aversions to same-sex marriage and pedophilia have convinced him that he's a good guy after all, perhaps even convincing him that he's God's man to restore traditional morality in Russia.  (Russians are "tradition freaks," by the way.)  Unfortunately, moralistic aversions such as Putin's do not constitute a person as a Christian, nor does a devotion to religious traditions.  Sometimes a poor fool's conscience gets turned upside down and hardens that poor fool into a murderous Pharisee (a traditionalist/"conservative") who excuses his own murderous behavior.  Mafia Godfathers are good examples of this.  Many if not most of them claim to be Christians, and they fund charities, and they support important institutions such as marriage.

My point is that I have never said Putin is a good guy.  I also don't endorse all of the stuff in the article I linked.  My point still stands:  I think Trump is more likely to trust Putin than to trust the the Deep State that is definitely trying to destroy America.   

@the_doc

It isn't a history.  He's still having people murdered.

[XenaLee]

@XenaLee

Lol, unreal

What is unreal?   That truth is stranger than fiction and that truth is what I just posted?  Or that you don't or won't believe what I said?  I'm confused by your vagueness here.

[the_doc]

@the_doc

It isn't a history.  He's still having people murdered.

Putin's history includes a long timeline that comes all the way to Putin's present.  I have never seen even a blip of remorse on Putin's part in the past or the present.  But if you re-read my post, you will see that what Putin did even five seconds ago is irrelevant to the point I was making.  Remember: I have never said that Putin is a good guy. 

Perhaps Putin thinks that his recent diatribes against the overt Satanism that characterizes the Globalist Cabal will cover his sins.  (His diatribes won't redeem him, of course.  But it is still useful for us to know that Putin really has worked himself up into a hatred of the Global Deep State that America is struggling against.) 

[Silver Pines]

What is unreal?   That truth is stranger than fiction and that truth is what I just posted?  Or that you don't or won't believe what I said?  I'm confused by your vagueness here.

@XenaLee

It's just the same old line.  A) Nothing matters because the Clintons or Obama did it, too, and B) Hillary.

[Silver Pines]

What he apparently means is that Putin draws a 'red line' at radical Islamic terror.

@DCPatriot

Well, good for Putin, but I don't see how he's much better.

[Cyber Liberty]

A President can't refuse to speak with World leaders because they are brutal.  That's the kind of reasoning that got Jimmy Carter to give Iran to the Mullahs.