A Dutch City Is Creating the First Habitable, 3D Printed Houses

[rangerrebew]

 A Dutch City Is Creating the First Habitable, 3D Printed Houses

by Victor Tangermann June 6, 2018 Future Society

As a kid, you probably heard the story of the three little pigs. To recap the tale: Three pigs build homes out of straw, sticks, and bricks respectively. In the end, only the brick house is able to withstand the huffing and puffing of the hungry neighborhood wolf. The moral here? Hard work pays off.

But, in our future-oriented fable, there was a fourth pig. A pig that went all out, and built his house using a state-of-the-art 3D concrete printer – preserving a ton of energy, and reducing overall waste in the process. No amount of huffing or puffing could flatten it. And he barely had to lift a hoof.

https://futurism.com/3d-printing-habitable-houses/

[Sanguine]

This trend will continue and will permanently eliminate a large number of no-to-low-skilled labor jobs. 

[RoosGirl]

This trend will continue and will permanently eliminate a large number of no-to-low-skilled labor jobs.

Did you see the pictures of the places?  No one in America is going to want that crap.

[Oceander]

This trend will continue and will permanently eliminate a large number of no-to-low-skilled labor jobs. 

No, it won’t.  It’s basically prefabbing certain structural components with a concrete gun, but the structure still needs to be put together and all the finish work done.

[Sanguine]

No, it won’t.  It’s basically prefabbing certain structural components with a concrete gun, but the structure still needs to be put together and all the finish work done.

Try this one:  https://www.engadget.com/2017/03/07/apis-cor-3d-printed-house/

It is built in place - there is no putting together of the structure.

And, Roos, you may not want to live in it, but I bet a lot of people would.  The design allowable are almost infinite too.

[RoosGirl]

Try this one:  https://www.engadget.com/2017/03/07/apis-cor-3d-printed-house/

It is built in place - there is no putting together of the structure.

And, Roos, you may not want to live in it, but I bet a lot of people would.  The design allowable are almost infinite too.

I dunno, I'm not convinced there are a lot of people tbat want to live in 400 sq. ft.

[Oceander]

Try this one:  https://www.engadget.com/2017/03/07/apis-cor-3d-printed-house/

It is built in place - there is no putting together of the structure.

And, Roos, you may not want to live in it, but I bet a lot of people would.  The design allowable are almost infinite too.

It’s still not a finished structure.  Quote: “Workers had to manually paint it and install the roofing materials, wiring, hydro-acoustic and thermal insulation, but that didn't take much time.”

The window casements also had to be installed. Other than framers, it’s not going to put a lot of trades out of work. 

[Sanguine]

I dunno, I'm not convinced there are a lot of people tbat want to live in 400 sq. ft.

That's only one example.  They can be built as big as they want to.

[truth_seeker]

" 3 D printing" is a misnomer.

But I don't have a better descriptor, yet

[Sanguine]

It’s still not a finished structure.  Quote: “Workers had to manually paint it and install the roofing materials, wiring, hydro-acoustic and thermal insulation, but that didn't take much time.”

The window casements also had to be installed. Other than framers, it’s not going to put a lot of trades out of work.

I was responding to your prior statement.

[Frank Cannon]

Did you see the pictures of the places?  No one in America is going to want that crap.

What are you talking about? They look great.....

[RoosGirl]

That's only one example.  They can be built as big as they want to.

That link you provided just says they can be bigger, not any saize they want.  Still not convinced, plus like O says, there's plenty of other low skilled work to do besides just the framing.

[RoosGirl]

What are you talking about? They look great.....

I think those Smurf houses are bigger than the ones in the article.

[Frank Cannon]

That link you provided just says they can be bigger, not any saize they want.  Still not convinced, plus like O says, there's plenty of other low skilled work to do besides just the framing.

That shit is no different then conventional modular housing. It can be as big as you want it. Just have to stack them or place them in a row.

[RoosGirl]

That shit is no different then conventional modular housing. It can be as big as you want it. Just have to stack them or place them in a row.

I wonder if they could get structural approval in hurricane prone areas.  At $25/sq ft I could build me a mansion!

[sneakypete]

Did you see the pictures of the places?  No one in America is going to want that crap.

@RoosGirl

I would.

[sneakypete]

This trend will continue and will permanently eliminate a large number of no-to-low-skilled labor jobs.

@Sanguine

Which is where the REAL problems lie in the 21st Century. Cities filled with young males that have no job skills and there are no labor jobs available. Which means the people that do have jobs will be taxed up to their eyeballs to pay for food,housing,clothing,and drug money for the people that don't.

What's that I hear? Is it the sound of trains and boxcars coupling to take the unemployed out to live in labor camps out in the country?

Hmmmm,who else in history has had those ideas?

[Sanguine]

@Sanguine

Which is where the REAL problems lie in the 21st Century. Cities filled with young males that have no job skills and there are no labor jobs available. Which means the people that do have jobs will be taxed up to their eyeballs to pay for food,housing,clothing,and drug money for the people that don't.

What's that I hear? Is it the sound of trains and boxcars coupling to take the unemployed out to live in labor camps out in the country?

Hmmmm,who else in history has had those ideas?

We already have a lot of those young males and I think those numbers will increase.  And, no point in sending them out to the country; they're not really needed here either.

[Oceander]

Get real people.  Where are all the permanently unemployed driven out of work by the invention of the tractor, or the backhoe, or any other piece of industrial equipment?  Where are all the permanently unemployed coach builders?  Horse drivers?  Etc, etc, etc.   

[Sanguine]

Get real people.  Where are all the permanently unemployed driven out of work by the invention of the tractor, or the backhoe, or any other piece of industrial equipment?  Where are all the permanently unemployed coach builders?  Horse drivers?  Etc, etc, etc.

Well, the coach builders and horse drivers have long ago died off.  Different times and different circumstances.  Just as we don't need horse drivers, we don't need as many low-skilled laborers.  Where are all the factory workers and miners?  Oh, that's right - a whole bunch of them are unemployed.

[Oceander]

Well, the coach builders and horse drivers have long ago died off.  Different times and different circumstances.  Just as we don't need horse drivers, we don't need as many low-skilled laborers.  Where are all the factory workers and miners?  Oh, that's right - a whole bunch of them are unemployed.

Really?  We have, what, 20% permanent unemployment right now?

No, we don’t.  Stop pretending that economics is a zero-sum game. 

[Sanguine]

Really?  We have, what, 20% permanent unemployment right now?

No, we don’t.  Stop pretending that economics is a zero-sum game.

I posit that it is you who are pretending.  We have 95 million adults without jobs right now, +78 million over the age of 24.  Some of them are retired, stay at home parents and a few are still students.  However, that leaves an enormous number of people who are unemployed because they are not employable in the market that they are competing for jobs in.

Economics may not be a zero-sum game, but supply and demand still work in the real world.

(And, as fun as this has been, being insulted and all, I've got to get some work done.  Back later.)

[Oceander]

I posit that it is you who are pretending.  We have 95 million adults without jobs right now, +78 million over the age of 24.  Some of them are retired, stay at home parents and a few are still students.  However, that leaves an enormous number of people who are unemployed because they are not employable in the market that they are competing for jobs in.

Economics may not be a zero-sum game, but supply and demand still work in the real world.

(And, as fun as this has been, being insulted and all, I've got to get some work done.  Back later.)

So, what do you propose to do?  Shall we prohibit all labor-saving devices?  Just think, if we went back to digging holes with shovels and buckets, we could hit 100% employment!  Damned that James Watt and his infernal steam engine.

[Sanguine]

So, what do you propose to do?  Shall we prohibit all labor-saving devices?  Just think, if we went back to digging holes with shovels and buckets, we could hit 100% employment!  Damned that James Watt and his infernal steam engine.

Now you're beginning to get it.  Yes, if we went back to human labor, probably everybody would be able to find a job of some sort.  But, you and I agree, that isn't where we are now.  Times have changed. So, what do we do with the large number of people who are and will be unemployable in the world we live in now?  Do you deny that they exist?

[sneakypete]

We already have a lot of those young males and I think those numbers will increase.  And, no point in sending them out to the country; they're not really needed here either.

@Sanguine

Euphemism.

Shorthand for "they are going out into the country where they will have like-minded companions to play with out in the sunshine,just like we did with your sick puppy."

[Sanguine]

@Sanguine

Euphemism.

Shorthand for "they are going out into the country where they will have like-minded companions to play with out in the sunshine,just like we did with your sick puppy."

Yeah, I guess I'm a little sensitive since I live "out here".

[sneakypete]

So, what do you propose to do?  Shall we prohibit all labor-saving devices?  Just think, if we went back to digging holes with shovels and buckets, we could hit 100% employment!  Damned that James Watt and his infernal steam engine.

@Oceander

Well,I know what the kind-hearted humanitarians that refer to themselves as Progressives and Liberals will do,and that is mandatory sterilizations for those considered to be of inferior breeding stock,and labor/death camps for the rest.  I know this because they identify themselves with the Soviets and Nazi's through their speech and goals.

[Oceander]

Now you're beginning to get it.  Yes, if we went back to human labor, probably everybody would be able to find a job of some sort.  But, you and I agree, that isn't where we are now.  Times have changed. So, what do we do with the large number of people who are and will be unemployable in the world we live in now?  Do you deny that they exist?

We educate them.  We retrain them.  Those who are sufficiently old we give early retirement.  This is one reason why a public retirement/pension scheme makes some sense. 

[sneakypete]

Now you're beginning to get it.  Yes, if we went back to human labor, probably everybody would be able to find a job of some sort.  But, you and I agree, that isn't where we are now.  Times have changed. So, what do we do with the large number of people who are and will be unemployable in the world we live in now?  Do you deny that they exist?

@Sanguine

ONE possible solution is to get into wars that are none of our business so the unemployed will be able to die off while fighting in the military,and maybe even allowing illegal alien invaders to come in and take away what menial jobs there are in order to  become the focus of a civil war,giving the politicians and their handlers the excuse they need to suspend the Constitution and declare a state of emergency exists "for the duration".

But we wouldn't do that either,would we?

But we would never do that,would we?

[roamer_1]

I wonder if they could get structural approval in hurricane prone areas.  At $25/sq ft I could build me a mansion!

Hold on... Is that $25 Ft2 FLOOR, or really $25 Ft2??
Two entirely different things, that.
 

[Sanguine]

We educate them.  We retrain them.  Those who are sufficiently old we give early retirement.  This is one reason why a public retirement/pension scheme makes some sense.

We already have them.  What are we doing with them?

[Sanguine]

@Sanguine

ONE possible solution is to get into wars that are none of our business so the unemployed will be able to die off while fighting in the military,and maybe even allowing illegal alien invaders to come in and take away what menial jobs there are in order to  become the focus of a civil war,giving the politicians and their handlers the excuse they need to suspend the Constitution and declare a state of emergency exists "for the duration".

But we wouldn't do that either,would we?

But we would never do that,would we?

I'll give you that that has happened many times in the past.

[Oceander]

We already have them.  What are we doing with them?

That’s where Adam Smith and the non zero sum nature of economics comes into play.  They find work to do that uses their new skills and the economy grows.  Provided, of course, that we don’t do stupid anti-economic things like imposing tariffs and other trade killers - oops. 

[Sanguine]

That’s where Adam Smith and the non zero sum nature of economics comes into play.  They find work to do that uses their new skills and the economy grows.  Provided, of course, that we don’t do stupid anti-economic things like imposing tariffs and other trade killers - oops.

No, right now we dispense enough "taxpayers' money" to sustain them through their families.  And, they do what unoccupied young men have done since the beginning of time, they get into trouble.  We already know what the problem is, exactly what it looks like and the results thereof. 

[Oceander]

No, right now we dispense enough "taxpayers' money" to sustain them through their families.  And, they do what unoccupied young men have done since the beginning of time, they get into trouble.  We already know what the problem is, exactly what it looks like and the results thereof. 

Sorry, but we simply are not awash in permanently unemployed people who are unemployed because we no longer dig holes with shovels and no longer build or operate horse-drawn carriages. 

Unemployment is a much more complex issue than that.

[Sanguine]

Sorry, but we simply are not awash in permanently unemployed people who are unemployed because we no longer dig holes with shovels and no longer build or operate horse-drawn carriages. 

Unemployment is a much more complex issue than that.

I'm glad that you recognize that it is a complicated issue. 

You apparently do not see however that the combination of welfare and reduction in low-skilled jobs has created an underclass.  Very simple in some ways, very complex in others. 

[RoosGirl]

Hold on... Is that $25 Ft2 FLOOR, or really $25 Ft2??
Two entirely different things, that.

I didn't really dig too hard into the numbers. I did the simple math of $10k for 400 sq ft.  I suspect that is the cost just for the shell of the building, but maybe not.  If it's just the shell I don't think that would be any cheaper than any other construction method.

I went back to that article Sanguine posted and it says $10k for the whole 400 sq ft building., not including land.  That's pretty dang cheap. Standard construction is running $125ish per sq ft in my area.

[Oceander]

I'm glad that you recognize that it is a complicated issue. 

You apparently do not see however that the combination of welfare and reduction in low-skilled jobs has created an underclass.  Very simple in some ways, very complex in others. 

No, I don’t see a permanent underclass based on technological changes.  To the extent there is an underclass, it derives mostly from political acts, including anti-economic nonsense like the tariff idiocies being indulged in by Trump.  It also arises from the leftist desire to maintain a permanent underclass as a bastion of power, either through voting, protesting, or outright violence. 

In fact, barriers to entry such as a Luddite approach to preventing technological change, also create and maintain an underclass.  As a result, prohibiting this new technology would simply entrench another underclass, not alleviate it. 

[roamer_1]

I didn't really dig too hard into the numbers. I did the simple math of $10k for 400 sq ft.  I suspect that is the cost just for the shell of the building, but maybe not.  If it's just the shell I don't think that would be any cheaper than any other construction method.

I went back to that article Sanguine posted and it says $10k for the whole 400 sq ft building., not including land.  That's pretty dang cheap. Standard construction is running $125ish per sq ft in my area.

eh- It depends a lot on design... but when I redid this cabin, I seriously considered mowing it over and starting fresh - Stick frame, dried in, would have been about $16k on this 1120 ft2 house. 

I can't imagine concrete being less expensive than sticks... Just on the sheer cost of the concrete. Especially rural costs.

[RoosGirl]

eh- It depends a lot on design... but when I redid this cabin, I seriously considered mowing it over and starting fresh - Stick frame, dried in, would have been about $16k on this 1120 ft2 house. 

I can't imagine concrete being less expensive than sticks... Just on the sheer cost of the concrete. Especially rural costs.

Are you talking DIY?

[roamer_1]

Are you talking DIY?

No, that was the bid from the contractor - Well not bid exactly... more like a really accurate thumb, since it never went to contract... I had to keep my existing in order to grandfather the septic...

[sneakypete]

Sorry, but we simply are not awash in permanently unemployed people who are unemployed because we no longer dig holes with shovels and no longer build or operate horse-drawn carriages. 

Unemployment is a much more complex issue than that.

@Oceander

True,most are unemployed because they don't want to work,and they can live better on welfare than they can the wages they get for moving slow and not knowing or doing anything.