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« on: June 03, 2018, 09:31:06 am »
What Adults Who Don’t Have ADHD Should Know About Adults Who Do

For starters, they're not rude, and they can be more sensitive than they seem.
By Jennifer Lea Reynolds, Contributor May 31, 2017, at 9:00 a.m.
   

Julia Breur, a licensed clinical psychotherapist in Boca Raton, Florida, says it's important to clarify and even correct many false beliefs surrounding attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. "There are numerous myths and misconceptions about ADHD that are considered to be facts by those who do not appear to understand what ADHD exactly is," she says. If you're an adult who does not have ADHD, here are some things to keep in mind about other adults who do.

A person with ADHD can't just turn off behaviors the same way a neurotypical person, Breur says. While medication and psychotherapy can help manage symptoms, Breur notes others may still perceive such individuals as perpetually rude, irresponsible, insensitive or clumsy. People without the disorder often stick with these assumptions, thinking that all a person with ADHD has to do is simply try harder. Such thoughts are unfair, Breur adds, because "people with ADHD try hard their entire life."

https://health.usnews.com/health-care/patient-advice/articles/2017-05-31/what-adults-who-dont-have-adhd-should-know-about-adults-who-do
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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2018, 10:58:47 am »
A couple of observations:

1. ADHD does exist, it occurs mostly in boys, and it is overdiagnosed and overused today.  Some of what is considered aberrant and ADHD behavior is simply that of bored and physically inactive children.
2.  Every one of us has learning and social difficulties, that we have to learn how to work with and minimize and/or use to our advantage.  Some of us have more difficulties in some areas than others. 
3.  The world does not adapt to us; we have to learn to adapt to the world.  Some of us are better at it than others.  So what?
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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2018, 11:03:00 am »
Quote from: Sanguine on June 03, 2018, 10:58:47 am
A couple of observations:

1. ADHD does exist, it occurs mostly in boys, and it is overdiagnosed and overused today.  Some of what is considered aberrant and ADHD behavior is simply that of bored and physically inactive children.
2.  Every one of us has learning and social difficulties, that we have to learn how to work with and minimize and/or use to our advantage.  Some of us have more difficulties in some areas than others. 
3.  The world does not adapt to us; we have to learn to adapt to the world.  Some of us are better at it than others.  So what?

Do you have ADHD?  Or know well an adult who does?
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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2018, 11:10:42 am »
Quote from: Oceander on June 03, 2018, 11:03:00 am
Do you have ADHD?  Or know well an adult who does?

Yes, I do.  Why do you ask?
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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2018, 11:22:02 am »
Bah, those kids just need to be spanked more.  :smokin:
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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2018, 11:32:59 am »
Quote from: Sanguine on June 03, 2018, 11:10:42 am
Yes, I do.  Why do you ask?


I noticed the Tourette but not the ADHD.

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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2018, 12:02:24 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on June 03, 2018, 10:58:47 am
A couple of observations:

1. ADHD does exist, it occurs mostly in boys, and it is overdiagnosed and overused today.  Some of what is considered aberrant and ADHD behavior is simply that of bored and physically inactive children.
2.  Every one of us has learning and social difficulties, that we have to learn how to work with and minimize and/or use to our advantage.  Some of us have more difficulties in some areas than others. 
3.  The world does not adapt to us; we have to learn to adapt to the world.  Some of us are better at it than others.  So what?

I'm very close to someone exhibiting most of these symptoms. Its vexing to say the least.

I don't look at it so much as a defect as a personality type. But as a coping mechanism its useful to be able to name it rather than just struggle with its effects.
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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2018, 12:10:16 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on June 03, 2018, 11:10:42 am
Yes, I do.  Why do you ask?

Welcome to the club.  I’ll give you a certificate when I get around to finishing the design.  ;^)
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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2018, 12:20:40 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on June 03, 2018, 10:58:47 am
A couple of observations:

1. ADHD does exist, it occurs mostly in boys, and it is overdiagnosed and overused today.  Some of what is considered aberrant and ADHD behavior is simply that of bored and physically inactive children.
2.  Every one of us has learning and social difficulties, that we have to learn how to work with and minimize and/or use to our advantage.  Some of us have more difficulties in some areas than others. 
3.  The world does not adapt to us; we have to learn to adapt to the world.  Some of us are better at it than others.  So what?

My 39yo son has ADHD ....and those here who don't believe this is a disease don't know what they are talking about...
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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2018, 12:30:05 pm »
Quote from: endicom on June 03, 2018, 11:32:59 am

I noticed the Tourette but not the ADHD.


Since we're talking about my son, I'm not sure what you think you were noticing. 
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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2018, 12:30:35 pm »
Quote from: Oceander on June 03, 2018, 12:10:16 pm
Welcome to the club.  I’ll give you a certificate when I get around to finishing the design.  ;^)

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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2018, 12:31:23 pm »
Quote from: Oceander on June 03, 2018, 12:10:16 pm
Welcome to the club.  I’ll give you a certificate when I get around to finishing the design.  ;^)

Be sure and make one for me, too.  @Sanguine isn't the only one.   :smokin:
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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2018, 12:45:45 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on June 03, 2018, 12:30:05 pm

Since we're talking about my son, I'm not sure what you think you were noticing.


Sorry, that was meant to be a joke about you.

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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2018, 01:09:24 pm »
Quote from: mystery-ak on June 03, 2018, 12:20:40 pm
My 39yo son has ADHD ....and those here who don't believe this is a disease don't know what they are talking about...

It's a tough one.  I don't believe it's a disease.  I think it's a fairly normal condition that in a much more dangerous and less regulated world that we live in, it was very much a positive.  The ADHD kids were the ones who discovered new lands, killed the leopards trying to eat the band, and took care of the bad guys.  It becomes a problem when little kids have to sit in a desk 7 hours a day and do detail work.  Same with adults. 
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« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2018, 01:10:12 pm »
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Sorry, that was meant to be a joke about you.

Hilarious, either way. 
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« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2018, 01:14:12 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on June 03, 2018, 01:09:24 pm
It's a tough one.  I don't believe it's a disease.  I think it's a fairly normal condition that in a much more dangerous and less regulated world that we live in, it was very much a positive.  The ADHD kids were the ones who discovered new lands, killed the leopards trying to eat the band, and took care of the bad guys.  It becomes a problem when little kids have to sit in a desk 7 hours a day and do detail work.  Same with adults.

This is along the lines of what I was thinking too.  Not a disease, just a different way of being that doesn't mesh so well with the lifestyles we generally have now.
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This is along the lines of what I was thinking too.  Not a disease, just a different way of being that doesn't mesh so well with the lifestyles we generally have now.

It also doesn't mesh well with the "Crush all opposition" attitude we're seeing a lot of lately.  Everything except wanting to hear the lamentations of their women. :whistle:
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« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2018, 01:24:29 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on June 03, 2018, 01:09:24 pm
It's a tough one.  I don't believe it's a disease.  I think it's a fairly normal condition that in a much more dangerous and less regulated world that we live in, it was very much a positive.  The ADHD kids were the ones who discovered new lands, killed the leopards trying to eat the band, and took care of the bad guys.  It becomes a problem when little kids have to sit in a desk 7 hours a day and do detail work.  Same with adults.

You are right..I don't think it was ever declared a *disease*.

My son was diagnosed with ADHD and low IQ. He had Special Ed teachers all through school and I managed to keep him out of *contained* classrooms by re-enforcing every thing he did at school at home.

His pediatrician was the expert here in Central Il and thought that his bio mom drank while pregnant too..[she was 16yo]

It was a heavy road all through school but we did it...

He still cannot reason things out...for example..you take a day off from work you lose a day's pay...he just did that for the hundredth time last week because he was invited to a birthday party 9999hair out0000
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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2018, 01:28:14 pm »
Quote from: mystery-ak on June 03, 2018, 01:24:29 pm
You are right..I don't think it was ever declared a *disease*.

My son was diagnosed with ADHD and low IQ. He had Special Ed teachers all through school and I managed to keep him out of *contained* classrooms by re-enforcing every thing he did at school at home.

His pediatrician was the expert here in Central Il and thought that his bio mom drank while pregnant too..[she was 16yo]

It was a heavy road all through school but we did it...

He still cannot reason things out...for example..you take a day off from work you lose a day's pay...he just did that for the hundredth time last week because he was invited to a birthday party 9999hair out0000

Sounds like he is very blessed to have you. 
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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2018, 01:40:14 pm »
Quote from: mystery-ak on June 03, 2018, 01:24:29 pm
You are right..I don't think it was ever declared a *disease*.

My son was diagnosed with ADHD and low IQ. He had Special Ed teachers all through school and I managed to keep him out of *contained* classrooms by re-enforcing every thing he did at school at home.

His pediatrician was the expert here in Central Il and thought that his bio mom drank while pregnant too..[she was 16yo]

It was a heavy road all through school but we did it...

He still cannot reason things out...for example..you take a day off from work you lose a day's pay...he just did that for the hundredth time last week because he was invited to a birthday party 9999hair out0000

That was how it was with my son.  Getting him though High School was a real slog, and he came to resent me for it.  He then went on to navigate a nuclear sub for a couple of hitches with the Navy, and has a son of his own.
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« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2018, 06:57:45 pm »
Quote from: mystery-ak on June 03, 2018, 12:20:40 pm
My 39yo son has ADHD ....and those here who don't believe this is a disease don't know what they are talking about...
My son also is ADHD and life was a challenge until he got into his latte teens early twenties, and now that he's 39 has a career and family(six years ago he thought he would be alone forever) our second grandchild from him will be born on Monday, we finally are past the day to day battles. It's especially hard when the kid with ADHD has a higher IQ then the people teaching them and the class work is boring boring boring!
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Quote from: Sanguine on June 03, 2018, 01:09:24 pm
It's a tough one.  I don't believe it's a disease.  I think it's a fairly normal condition that in a much more dangerous and less regulated world that we live in, it was very much a positive.  The ADHD kids were the ones who discovered new lands, killed the leopards trying to eat the band, and took care of the bad guys.  It becomes a problem when little kids have to sit in a desk 7 hours a day and do detail work.  Same with adults.
ADHD is now classified as a specific disability under federal civil rights law. ... The number of children being diagnosed with ADHD — a neurobiological disorder characterized by impulsivity, hyperactivity or inattentiveness — has soared over the last decade.Jul 26, 2016
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« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2018, 07:02:50 pm »
Quote from: mystery-ak on June 03, 2018, 01:24:29 pm
You are right..I don't think it was ever declared a *disease*.

My son was diagnosed with ADHD and low IQ. He had Special Ed teachers all through school and I managed to keep him out of *contained* classrooms by re-enforcing every thing he did at school at home.

His pediatrician was the expert here in Central Il and thought that his bio mom drank while pregnant too..[she was 16yo]

It was a heavy road all through school but we did it...

He still cannot reason things out...for example..you take a day off from work you lose a day's pay...he just did that for the hundredth time last week because he was invited to a birthday party 9999hair out0000
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It was however classified a s disability

ADHD is one of the most researched and prevalent childhood brain disorders. ... ADHD, or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, is classified as a psychiatric disorder and the symptoms often continue through adolescence into adulthood.Jul 31, 2015

ADHD is now classified as a specific disability under federal civil rights law. ... The number of children being diagnosed with ADHD — a neurobiological disorder characterized by impulsivity, hyperactivity or inattentiveness — has soared over the last decade.Jul 26, 2016
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« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2018, 07:10:04 pm »
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ADHD is now classified as a specific disability under federal civil rights law. ... The number of children being diagnosed with ADHD — a neurobiological disorder characterized by impulsivity, hyperactivity or inattentiveness — has soared over the last decade.Jul 26, 2016

Yes, but I was talking about common sense and logic, not bureaucratic crap.
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« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2018, 08:41:06 pm »
Quote from: mystery-ak on June 03, 2018, 12:20:40 pm
My 39yo son has ADHD ....and those here who don't believe this is a disease don't know what they are talking about...
Oh, it's real enough. I worked with a directional driller who had it, and got pretty good at steering him back on topic. He was off his meds, they were 1000 miles away and the doctors wouldn't give him more until those ran out. It was a bit like chasing ricochet rabbit in a discussion, but just a little patience and you found out the guy was excellent at his profession (one of the best I have worked with).

Edited to add: That said, I have serious doubts that it is as prominent as educators and others stuffing kids wholesale into the category would have us believe. One of the problems with being bright as a kid is that you get easily bored. At that point, it takes self-discipline, and a lot of it, to sit still when in captivity (classroom, meeting, what have you), and for those who don't really have the disorder, that is a learned behaviour. If those kids are medicated into submission inappropriately, they will lack the skills they should have developed when they were young when they get older.
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« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2018, 09:16:52 pm »
Quote from: RoosGirl on June 03, 2018, 11:22:02 am
Bah, those kids just need to be spanked more.  :smokin:

Lol! An Advanced Placement public school teacher once told me that my son just needed more discipline. I told her that I couldn’t spank the autism out of him anymore than I could slap the ignorance out of her. Although that didn’t phase her, finding out that at 7 his IQ was higher than hers really was a nasty kick in her ego.
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« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2018, 09:18:51 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on June 03, 2018, 01:09:24 pm
It's a tough one.  I don't believe it's a disease.  I think it's a fairly normal condition that in a much more dangerous and less regulated world that we live in, it was very much a positive.  The ADHD kids were the ones who discovered new lands, killed the leopards trying to eat the band, and took care of the bad guys.  It becomes a problem when little kids have to sit in a desk 7 hours a day and do detail work.  Same with adults.

Omg, who has the black and white slow clapping guy .gif? You hit the nail on the head my friend!
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« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2018, 09:52:54 pm »
Quote from: goodwithagun on June 03, 2018, 09:16:52 pm
Lol! An Advanced Placement public school teacher once told me that my son just needed more discipline. I told her that I couldn’t spank the autism out of him anymore than I could slap the ignorance out of her. Although that didn’t phase her, finding out that at 7 his IQ was higher than hers really was a nasty kick in her ego.

LOL  That's awesome.
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LOL  That's awesome.

She’s a Nathaniel Hawthorne “expert” and was none too pleased to discover that she’d been incorrectly pronouncing Sophia’s name, thanks to my son pointing it out  :silly:
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Omg, who has the black and white slow clapping guy .gif? You hit the nail on the head my friend!

LOL, thank you!  I happen to be very familiar with ADHD. 
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Quote from: Sanguine on June 03, 2018, 01:09:24 pm
It's a tough one.  I don't believe it's a disease.  I think it's a fairly normal condition that in a much more dangerous and less regulated world that we live in, it was very much a positive.  The ADHD kids were the ones who discovered new lands, killed the leopards trying to eat the band, and took care of the bad guys.  It becomes a problem when little kids have to sit in a desk 7 hours a day and do detail work.  Same with adults.
It is one of he weird paradoxes of modern society. Not one of those who made major advancements in virtually any field is what we would all call "normal". Some passion, some driving force, the ability to integrate concepts drawn from thought across the spectrum, led to the discoveries (and a few accidents along the way) and the ongoing desire to do something out of the normal scope of most people's existence.

Yet the current educational system, for the most part is centered on some statistical "normal" and either pushing those who can't cope up to it or holding those who'd run roughshod over such a paltry standard back.

That McEducation will turn out McPeople, at a predictable standard of mediocrity, but mediocrity isn't what makes people or countries great. It's what happens when participation trophies take the place of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.
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Don't know anything about ADHD, but I have a lifetime of experience with ADD.
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Re: What Adults Who Don’t Have ADHD Should Know About Adults Who Do
« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2018, 12:12:42 am »
Quote from: goodwithagun on June 03, 2018, 09:16:52 pm
Lol! An Advanced Placement public school teacher once told me that my son just needed more discipline. I told her that I couldn’t spank the autism out of him anymore than I could slap the ignorance out of her. Although that didn’t phase her, finding out that at 7 his IQ was higher than hers really was a nasty kick in her ego.

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Keep praying.  Pray every day over your son.  Pray that God's destiny for your child will be realized.  Pray for God to make the crooked places straight, and to mend the connections to restore him to what God intended.  Acknowledge His unlimited love.  Declare him a God of healing and restoration.

Do it.  It works.  it worked for my son.  Every day is a new miracle for my wife and I.
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Re: What Adults Who Don’t Have ADHD Should Know About Adults Who Do
« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2018, 12:16:12 am »

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« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2018, 09:34:14 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on June 04, 2018, 12:08:13 am
Don't know anything about ADHD, but I have a lifetime of experience with ADD.

ADD is an old term, now out of date, for the disorder we call ADHD

https://childmind.org/ask-an-expert-qa/what-is-the-difference-between-add-and-adhd/
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« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2018, 09:41:12 am »
Quote from: Oceander on June 03, 2018, 11:03:00 am
Do you have ADHD?  Or know well an adult who does?
A psychiatrist tried to diagnose me with ADHD as a kid. A different one suspected Asperger's as a teen. Judging by what I have read about both, I still don't think either diagnosis was correct.
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« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2018, 09:54:19 am »
Although you cannot discipline the autism out, even Aspies know about consequences. I certainly did. I got enough azz beatings from peers that I learned what not to do. But it is definitely a "choose your battles" scenario. I am just thankful we didn't have computers, tablets and such that people use to "shut down" autistic kids. I was forced to assimilate and adapt.
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Re: What Adults Who Don’t Have ADHD Should Know About Adults Who Do
« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2018, 12:22:14 pm »
Quote from: thackney on June 04, 2018, 09:34:14 am
ADD is an old term, now out of date, for the disorder we call ADHD

https://childmind.org/ask-an-expert-qa/what-is-the-difference-between-add-and-adhd/

But I'm not hyperactive.  Not at all.  I simply have a propensity for diving into a 120,000 row / 200 column spreadsheet for nine hours straight.  It is an unfair advantage I have over my peers at work.

Sure, it has it's downside too.  When it's time for my wife and I to leave the house to run some errand, I always find a million things to do before walking out the door.
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Re: What Adults Who Don’t Have ADHD Should Know About Adults Who Do
« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2018, 01:01:31 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on June 04, 2018, 12:22:14 pm
But I'm not hyperactive.  Not at all.  I simply have a propensity for diving into a 120,000 row / 200 column spreadsheet for nine hours straight.  It is an unfair advantage I have over my peers at work.

Sure, it has it's downside too.  When it's time for my wife and I to leave the house to run some errand, I always find a million things to do before walking out the door.

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The newest way of thinking about ADHD is actually to get rid of types altogether and just think about which symptoms present prominently. We still use the same clusters of symptoms (inattentive and hyperactive-impulsive), we just don’t consider them separate types. There are also adjustments to reflect new research on how ADHD symptoms present in adolescence or adulthood.

The bottom line is that the diagnosis of ADHD can still apply even if a child doesn’t have hyperactive or impulsive behaviors.
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« Reply #40 on: June 04, 2018, 08:10:44 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on June 04, 2018, 12:22:14 pm
But I'm not hyperactive.  Not at all.  I simply have a propensity for diving into a 120,000 row / 200 column spreadsheet for nine hours straight.  It is an unfair advantage I have over my peers at work.

Sure, it has it's downside too.  When it's time for my wife and I to leave the house to run some errand, I always find a million things to do before walking out the door.
But you have turned what is considered a disadvantage by those who think everyone should be the same into an advantage. It is like an experience I had working with a guy who was a bit OCD in a warehouse. Everything was in its place, the place was clean, and a joy to work in.
What the people who want to define normal as a statistical point everyone should conform to ignore is that in a different context, such alleged disorders become valuable talents/abilities.
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Re: What Adults Who Don’t Have ADHD Should Know About Adults Who Do
« Reply #41 on: June 04, 2018, 08:31:09 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 04, 2018, 08:10:44 pm
But you have turned what is considered a disadvantage by those who think everyone should be the same into an advantage. It is like an experience I had working with a guy who was a bit OCD in a warehouse. Everything was in its place, the place was clean, and a joy to work in.
What the people who want to define normal as a statistical point everyone should conform to ignore is that in a different context, such alleged disorders become valuable talents/abilities.

And, that is the key - the world does not conform to us, we have to figure how best to adapt to the world.
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« Reply #42 on: June 04, 2018, 09:59:20 pm »
Quote from: Restored on June 04, 2018, 09:54:19 am
Although you cannot discipline the autism out, even Aspies know about consequences. I certainly did. I got enough azz beatings from peers that I learned what not to do. But it is definitely a "choose your battles" scenario. I am just thankful we didn't have computers, tablets and such that people use to "shut down" autistic kids. I was forced to assimilate and adapt.

Thank God we have early diagnosis and therapies to help those on the high functioning end of the spectrum. I know that some can adapt and overcome, but my heart breaks for those who cannot and are in situations without support systems to help them through.
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