Giuliani: Trump reimbursed Cohen for $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels

[mystery-ak]

Giuliani: Trump reimbursed Cohen for $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels
By Jacqueline Thomsen - 05/02/18 09:51 PM EDT

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) said Wednesday that President Trump reimbursed his personal attorney Michael Cohen the $130,000 paid to adult film star Stormy Daniels to stay quiet about their alleged affair.

Giuliani, who recently joined Trump’s legal team, told Fox News’ Sean Hannity that the payment was “perfectly legal” and was “not campaign money,” meaning the arrangement didn’t violate campaign finance law.

“Funneled through a law firm, and the president repaid it,” Giuliani said.

"He didn’t know about the specifics of it but he did know about the general arrangement, that Michael would take care of things like this," he said.

Cohen has said that he made the payment, but that it was made with money out of his own pocket.

Trump admitted that he knew about the arrangement with Daniels during an interview with Fox & Friends last month.

DEVELOPING

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/385965-giuliani-trump-reimbursed-cohen-for-payment-to-stormy-daniels

[Victoria33]

Rudy was asked, "And Trump didn't know it?"  Rudy paused, his eyes went up, said, Ahh - he knew part but not the details.  When a person makes up a lie, their eyes go up.  Rudy didn't do Trump any good with what he said.

He also said Trump gave Cohen a retainer of $35,000, and Cohen did no work so that is how Trump re-paid him, by giving him retainers and no work.

[ABX]

Why admit this? He should have kept his mouth shut.

[mystery-ak]

Rudy didn't do Trump any favors by that interview...

[ABX]

Rudy didn't do Trump any favors by that interview...

This, along with Trump hiring Bill Clinton's impeachment attorney makes one wonder what we aren't being told.

[mystery-ak]

Rudy Giuliani riles up obstruction of justice talk with remark about why Trump fired James Comey
by Naomi Lim
 | May 02, 2018 10:15 PM



Rudy Giuliani, a new addition to President Trump's personal legal team, on Wednesday said Trump fired former FBI Director James Comey because the top law enforcement official wouldn't tell the president whether or not he was a target of the FBI investigation's into Russia interference in the 2016 election.

"He fired Comey because Comey would not — among other things — say that he wasn't a target of the investigation," Giuliani told Fox News.

"He is entitled to that. Hillary Clinton got that, and he couldn't get that. So he fired him, then he said, 'I’m free of this guy,'” the former New York City mayor added.

more
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/rudy-giuliani-riles-up-obstruction-of-justice-talk-with-remark-about-why-trump-fired-james-comey

[mystery-ak]

Whose brilliant idea was it to have Rudy on Hannity...sheeeesh!

[mystery-ak]

This, along with Trump hiring Bill Clinton's impeachment attorney makes one wonder what we aren't being told.

Ingraham is tickled pink that Flood has been hired...

[edpc]

“Funneled through a law firm, and the president repaid it,” Giuliani said.

What a terrible choice of words.     


No wonder Cobb bailed today.

[mystery-ak]

Rudy was asked, "And Trump didn't know it?"  Rudy paused, his eyes went up, said, Ahh - he knew part but not the details.  When a person makes up a lie, their eyes go up.  Rudy didn't do Trump any good with what he said.

He also said Trump gave Cohen a retainer of $35,000, and Cohen did no work so that is how Trump re-paid him, by giving him retainers and no work.

LOL..my first reaction also..reminded me of when my boys would try to lie to me..they always looked at the ceiling...

[ABX]

What a terrible choice of words.     


No wonder Cobb bailed today.

And Rudy is no idiot. He knows the implication of terms like 'funnled'. If I were a Trump supporter, I would be worried he is being set up or betrayed.

[Frank Cannon]

Boy. A lot of Russian collusion being discussed in that conversation. Looks like Little Bobbies investigation is really over the target.....wait. What? This is all about a stripper?

Well.....nevermind.

[ABX]

Boy. A lot of Russian collusion being discussed in that conversation. Looks like Little Bobbies investigation is really over the target.....wait. What? This is all about a stripper?

Well.....nevermind.

They may be concerned about the Clinton precedent. Investigation for financial fraud in the end, turns into obstruction of justice for strategic placement of cigars in interns.

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

Why admit this? He should have kept his mouth shut.

Is there anyone on Earth who would believe a lawyer would fork over six figures w/o getting reimbursed (one way or another)?  So why not admit it?

[Frank Cannon]

They may be concerned about the Clinton precedent. Investigation for financial fraud in the end, turns into obstruction of justice for strategic placement of cigars in interns.

At this point if Little Bobby doesn't produce on the Russian collusion and continues to trot out this inconsequential bullshit, he is staring down the barrel of irrelevancy and perpetual ridicule. The public isn't buying this as it is.

[edpc]

At this point if Little Bobby doesn't produce on the Russian collusion and continues to trot out this inconsequential bullshit, he is staring down the barrel of irrelevancy and perpetual ridicule. The public isn't buying this as it is.

The Cohen activities are in the hands of SDNY, in case you've forgotten.  Besides, who forced Guiliani to come out with this?  So much for wrapping things up in a week or two.

[Frank Cannon]

The Cohen activities are in the hands of SDNY, in case you've forgotten.  Besides, who forced Guiliani to come out with this?  So much for wrapping things up in a week or two.

Looks wrapped to me. Where are these subpoenas Little Bobby was going to hand down? Nowhere. Has the needle moved on this train wreck investigation since Manafart was indicted? No. As a matter of fact Little Bobby is looking like a laughing stock since those irrelevant questions leaked. "Mr Trump. What do you think about me?" "President Trump. Why don't you like my pal Jimmy?"

It's a clown show.

[edpc]

Looks wrapped to me. Where are these subpoenas Little Bobby was going to hand down? Nowhere. Has the needle moved on this train wreck investigation since Manafart was indicted? No. As a matter of fact Little Bobby is looking like a laughing stock since those irrelevant questions leaked. "Mr Trump. What do you think about me?" "President Trump. Why don't you like my pal Jimmy?"

It's a clown show.

The needle hasn't moved on Manafort because he keeps flailing around with doomed suits and motions to have damning evidence suppressed.  We don't know the source of the leaked questions and I sincerely doubt they're verbatim.  At worst, I always thought the only thing Trump was 'guilty' of was hiring dipshits as foreign advisors in the campaign.  Since then, he and his ever changing merry band of legal incompetence have been putting out fires with class 1A liquids.  So, yes...it's definitely a clown show.

[Frank Cannon]

The needle hasn't moved on Manafort because he keeps flailing around with doomed suits and motions to have damning evidence suppressed.  We don't know the source of the leaked questions and I sincerely doubt they're verbatim.  At worst, I always thought the only thing Trump was 'guilty' of was hiring dipshits as foreign advisors in the campaign.  Since then, he and his ever changing merry band of legal incompetence have been putting out fires with class 1A liquids.  So, yes...it's definitely a clown show.

The needle hasn't moved on anything. Besides your opinion of the players in this show me where Mueller has done anything of interest since the Manafart raid? He is coming up empty and all there is are unfounded leaks to the press that never pan out and promises of actions that never happen.

[edpc]

The needle hasn't moved on anything. Besides your opinion of the players in this show me where Mueller has done anything of interest since the Manafart raid? He is coming up empty and all there is are unfounded leaks to the press that never pan out and promises of actions that never happen.

As much as you might like it to, the court system doesn't start trials the day after indictments.  Many of the people charged are intertwined with other open cases.  There's been a good bit of redacted content in some of the Mueller filings we've seen, so something is still in the works.

[TomSea]

Rudy was asked, "And Trump didn't know it?"  Rudy paused, his eyes went up, said, Ahh - he knew part but not the details.  When a person makes up a lie, their eyes go up.  Rudy didn't do Trump any good with what he said.

He also said Trump gave Cohen a retainer of $35,000, and Cohen did no work so that is how Trump re-paid him, by giving him retainers and no work.

Looks like Trump has to go to confession and make an act of contrition.

@Victoria33

[Frank Cannon]

As much as you might like it to, the court system doesn't start trials the day after indictments.  Many of the people charged are intertwined with other open cases.  There's been a good bit of redacted content in some of the Mueller filings we've seen, so something is still in the works.

Don't care about trials. Where are all the other indictments? Plea deals? All the stuff that Little Bobby leaked to The Hill last year that was going to happen? Nothing has happened since Manafart and for a good reason. There is nothing.

[Victoria33]

@mystery-ak

"Rudy Giuliani, a new addition to President Trump's personal legal team, on Wednesday said Trump fired former FBI Director James Comey because the top law enforcement official wouldn't tell the president whether or not he was a target of the FBI investigation's into Russia interference in the 2016 election. "He fired Comey because Comey would not — among other things — say that he wasn't a target of the investigation," Giuliani told Fox News.  "He is entitled to that. Hillary Clinton got that, and he couldn't get that. So he fired him, then he said, 'I’m free of this guy,'” the former New York City mayor added."

This may be worse than telling Trump repaid the money.  He fired Comey because he wouldn't say he wasn't a target?

[Frank Cannon]

This may be worse than telling Trump repaid the money.  He fired Comey because he wouldn't say he wasn't a target?

Eh, Trump could fire Comey if he didn't like the way his breath smelled. It's part of his role a President.

[Cyber Liberty]

With friends like Rudy, Trump has little need for enemies.  This was a horrendous confession.

[INVAR]

Porno Clown show.

If someone had character enough not to cheat on his wife and keep his wedding vows, getting caught paying hush money to a porn star to win votes might not be creating the appearance of stupidity by a sitting President.


But people today will demand we believe the words and promises of a person that tickles their ears with what they want to hear, even though there is no character to back up such trust.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Well, that's Rudy.

Do Anything that paints the PD in a positive light and the usual suspects crawl out of the woodwork to paint him a Marvel Super Hero.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Porno Clown show.

If someone had character enough not to cheat on his wife and keep his wedding vows, getting caught paying hush money to a porn star to win votes might not be creating the appearance of stupidity by a sitting President.


But people today will demand we believe the words and promises of a person that tickles their ears with what they want to hear, even though there is no character to back up such trust.

I could give a Rat's hind chance of lynching a Republican President based on his renting an expensive, . . . uh, . . . full body masseuse and paying her to shut up and go away.

I care about jobs, the economy, our power being projected onto the world stage, the near total annihilation of ISIS, improved race relations and a host of other Substantive Issues.

He boffed a woman who had sex in front of cameras and sound crews to pay her bills 12 years ago Before he was President, not a 21 yr old intern while he was supposed to be doing his job as President.

As for his 'Character' not measuring up, with a Pope like this one, . . . It'd take considerably more than Vicar of Smurf rules/outrage to upset me.

[INVAR]

I could give a Rat's hind chance of lynching a Republican President based on his renting an expensive, . . . uh, . . . full body masseuse and paying her to shut up and go away...
As for his 'Character' not measuring up, with a Pope like this one, . . . It'd take considerably more than Vicar of Smurf rules/outrage to upset me.

But I'd bet money you were all pissed off about Clinton and Obama's lack of character and the fact their words and vows and promises could not be trusted.

Hypocrisy aside, without character and morality being upheld and practiced in our elected representatives, we no longer have a Republic.

And when the people themselves don't give a shit about character or morals because they want their piece of life's pie served smoothly and without blemish  - then it is impossible to maintain liberty or a republic in such an environment whatsoever. 

The pie shall be tyranny, and many shall declare it freedom.

Which is where we have arrived some time ago.

[edpc]

Full interview with Hannity....


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Laura Ingraham questions Rudy's revelation.....


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[To-Whose-Benefit?]

But I'd bet money you were all pissed off about Clinton and Obama's lack of character and the fact their words and vows and promises could not be trusted.

Hypocrisy aside, without character and morality being upheld and practiced in our elected representatives, we no longer have a Republic.

And when the people themselves don't give a shit about character or morals because they want their piece of life's pie served smoothly and without blemish  - then it is impossible to maintain liberty or a republic in such an environment whatsoever. 

The pie shall be tyranny, and many shall declare it freedom.

Which is where we have arrived some time ago.

I Care about Results and both of those vile turds you brought up robbed me blind and put more hobbles onto MY Personal Civil Rights.

Clinton with his #$@&^$@!@$$&&* Monetary Policy/Federal Reserve Con.

And Obama with his all out 24/7 assault on the entire nation's economy and rights.


Yes, I'm still steamed about DJT signing the Porkulous, but I gotta take it On Balance, especially against Those 2.

[Sighlass]

I could give a Rat's hind chance of lynching a Republican President based on his renting an expensive, . . . uh, . . . full body masseuse and paying her to shut up and go away.

I care about jobs, the economy...........

Yet here we are mired down in stupid because Trump couldn't do the things Invar mentioned. Whether you care or not, makes little difference due to how this mess muddies the waters and has made his job more a distraction dance at best. Not to mention, it pollutes the water for other candidates that want to run on a values ticket, something that used to define the parties from each other. Character matters despite what you deem as important, because most people understand it links everything a person values in office and eventually does when not worried about reelection (Ex. McCain throwing his electorate under the bus this week, who Obama pardoned at the end of his term). If they are corrupt, they seem to be less tethered to values a lot of conservatives hold dear. Might as well give up the saying "those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it".

[DB]

Whose brilliant idea was it to have Rudy on Hannity...sheeeesh!

This was probably the best they could spin whatever info they know is coming out later. Polishing a turd so to speak. So if this was the best Rudy could do as an experienced prosecutor and politician, it is probably pretty damning info coming out. At least on the porn star front...

[DB]

Yet here we are mired down in stupid because Trump couldn't do the things Invar mentioned. Whether you care or not, makes little difference due to how this mess muddies the waters and has made his job more a distraction dance at best. Not to mention, it pollutes the water for other candidates that want to run on a values ticket, something that used to define the parties from each other. Character matters despite what you deem as important, because most people understand it links everything a person values in office and eventually does when not worried about reelection (Ex. McCain throwing his electorate under the bus this week, who Obama pardoned at the end of his term). If they are corrupt, they seem to be less tethered to values a lot of conservatives hold dear. Might as well give up the saying "those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it".

And Republicans also flushed the "family values" position down the toilet permanently. That is no small thing in the current climate.

[driftdiver]

At least were not talking about Hillarys crimes or how Obama flew a planeload of cash to Iran.  Ya know the important stuff.

[edpc]

When the chief executive of law enforcement says 'lock her up' plays well during the campaign, but now we don't care and that he doesn't want to hurt the Clintons, because they're good people, perhaps your beef should be with that individual?

[Right_in_Virginia]

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
@realDonaldTrump 

Mr. Cohen, an attorney, received a monthly retainer, not from the campaign and having nothing to do with the campaign, from which he entered into, through reimbursement, a private contract between two parties, known as a non-disclosure agreement, or NDA. These agreements are.....
3:46 AM - 3 May 2018

...very common among celebrities and people of wealth. In this case it is in full force and effect and will be used in Arbitration for damages against Ms. Clifford (Daniels). The agreement was used to stop the false and extortionist accusations made by her about an affair,......
3:54 AM - 3 May 2018

...despite already having signed a detailed letter admitting that there was no affair. Prior to its violation by Ms. Clifford and her attorney, this was a private agreement. Money from the campaign, or campaign contributions, played no roll in this transaction.
4:00 AM - 3 May 2018

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/991992302267785216?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/991994433750142976?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/991995845120753664?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[Right_in_Virginia]

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
@realDonaldTrump 

Mr. Cohen, an attorney, received a monthly retainer, not from the campaign and having nothing to do with the campaign, from which he entered into, through reimbursement, a private contract between two parties, known as a non-disclosure agreement, or NDA. These agreements are very common among celebrities and people of wealth.

In this case it is in full force and effect and will be used in Arbitration for damages against Ms. Clifford (Daniels). The agreement was used to stop the false and extortionist accusations made by her about an affair despite already having signed a detailed letter admitting that there was no affair.

Prior to its violation by Ms. Clifford and her attorney, this was a private agreement. Money from the campaign, or campaign contributions, played no roll in this transaction.

[edpc]

Sounds exactly like something Trump would say.  He's a regular Clarence Darrow.   

[endicom]

This was probably the best they could spin whatever info they know is coming out later. Polishing a turd so to speak. So if this was the best Rudy could do as an experienced prosecutor and politician, it is probably pretty damning info coming out. At least on the porn star front...

They have Cohen's records so they know what payments he received and from where. The plan is probably for Giuliani to wiggle Trump out of a perjury trap in coming forward now. It looks like they can still say that Trump reimbursed Cohen after the fact.

[Victoria33]

Full interview with Hannity....
Laura Ingraham questions Rudy's revelation.....

@edpc

Thanks for posting those two segments from Fox, so I could listen to the Rudy interview from beginning to end, not just picked out portions, and Ingraham's comments about what Rudy said in the interview.

This morning, Thursday, Trump did not write his tweets about this, a lawyer must have written them.  They were specific and connecting, not like Trump's rambling.

[Right_in_Virginia]

@edpc

This morning, Thursday, Trump did not write his tweets about this, a lawyer must have written them.  They were specific and connecting, not like Trump's rambling.

Considering the circumstances, wouldn't you agree this is a good thing @Victoria33 .... I would think you'd be pleased.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Sounds exactly like something Trump would say.  He's a regular Clarence Darrow.   

Pull up @edpc ... pull up.

[Jazzhead]

Is there anyone on Earth who would believe a lawyer would fork over six figures w/o getting reimbursed (one way or another)?  So why not admit it?

That's what I was thinking.   Just come clean, warts and all.   The man was being blackmailed by a prostitute.   It's tawdry, but he's hardly the first mover and shaker to visit a prostitute.   At least he hasn't soiled the Oval Office rug as an intern writhed for his pleasure.   

With Trump, you take the bad with the good.  And above all, he was (and to some extent still is)  an amateur at the politician game.  That's why he was elected - because he was an outsider.   As was discussed in detail on a nearby thread, he's managed, through all the static and sabotage by the Deep State, to accomplish a great deal. 

I've speculated in the past about the dynamic of the one-term President.  Come to Washington on a mission of change, and announce as your most fundamental change your willingness to serve one term only.   No positioning for re-election, just speak your mind,  don't mince words,  and say what you mean and mean what you say.   If Trump were to trumpet the progress he's made and say this year that he will pass the baton in 2020,  then the dynamics of this year's mid-terms will change immediately.   And so will the prospects for Trump's working-class conservatism to survive him.   

[GrouchoTex]

Did anyone really believe that:

(A) Trump didn't have the one night stand?

(B) Cohen paid Daniels to keep quiet about something that never happened?

(C) That trump would not repay Cohen, if he had not already paid in advance?

Still, this violates no oath of office. It was all done in the years prior to his announcement to run.
However, the payments were made after he decided to run, right? I could not remember that part.

Anyway, it is not anything that happened in the office, so that make it irrelevant.
It does show that we are now willing to over-look flaws that used to be career-ending for politicians.
These allegations weren't new news.

Where will we now draw that line?

Will we ever be able to draw any line again?

(Sure, he hosted orgies at home while his wife went into labor, and his lawyer paid the participants to keep quiet about it, but that happen a year ago.)

I mean, the above scenario could be next, or something weirder yet. We are not that far removed from this now, considering the timing of his one night stand, 10 years ago, Melania had just had Barron, porn star, etc.

So I will ask again:

Where will we now draw that line?

Will we ever be able to draw any line again?

On one hand it is none of my business,so I guess if they mean well, love their country, both R and D, they all get a pass now.

No more selective outrage, right?

[edpc]

Kellyanne's husband is back to throwing out passive aggressive tweets.


Conway’s husband shares link to FEC rules on personal loans after Giuliani admits Trump paid back Cohen

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/385988-conways-husband-shares-link-to-fec-rules-on-personal-loans

[edpc]

Pull up @edpc ... pull up.

If you think he wrote those tweets himself, you're not only a resident of Rajneeshpuram, you're the equivalent of Ma Anand Sheela.

[XenaLee]

They have Cohen's records so they know what payments he received and from where. The plan is probably for Giuliani to wiggle Trump out of a perjury trap in coming forward now. It looks like they can still say that Trump reimbursed Cohen after the fact.

Quite frankly.... I don't even see what relevance this Daniels thing has to Trump's presidency NOW.  Hells bells, if every politician in DC were held to such rigid standards... ie held accountable for every sordid thing that has ever happened in their past... we wouldn't have a DC.  It would be a ghost town.   Hey...

come to think of it.... that might be worth trying!

Nevermind.

[Restored]

It is possibly blackmail/extortion and we don't want a President that responds positively to blackmail or extortion.

[mystery-ak]

Giuliani comments on Stormy payment raise legal questions
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TRUMP_PORN_STAR_LEGAL_ISSUES?SITE=TXMCA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2018-05-03-03-17-26