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ECIU Wants To Double The Size Of Your Wind Turbines
« on: March 30, 2018, 09:44:08 pm »

ECIU Wants To Double The Size Of Your Wind Turbines
March 28, 2018


By Paul Homewood


From The Times:

Dozens of wind farms could be rebuilt with turbines twice the height of existing ones under plans to keep sites operating for at least another 20 years.

More than 750 turbines at 60 sites are coming to the end of their operational lives, with less than five years remaining of the 20-year period for which they have planning permission. They could be dismantled and the landscape restored, but the wind industry is lobbying to be allowed to replace them with much more powerful turbines.

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2018/03/28/eciu-wants-to-double-the-size-of-your-wind-turbines/

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Re: ECIU Wants To Double The Size Of Your Wind Turbines
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2018, 03:52:27 am »
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Re: ECIU Wants To Double The Size Of Your Wind Turbines
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2018, 12:46:13 pm »
ECIU Wants To Double The Size Of Your Wind Turbines
March 28, 2018



By Paul Homewood


From The Times:

Dozens of wind farms could be rebuilt with turbines twice the height of existing ones under plans to keep sites operating for at least another 20 years.

More than 750 turbines at 60 sites are coming to the end of their operational lives, with less than five years remaining of the 20-year period for which they have planning permission. They could be dismantled and the landscape restored, but the wind industry is lobbying to be allowed to replace them with much more powerful turbines.

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2018/03/28/eciu-wants-to-double-the-size-of-your-wind-turbines/

As long as they do not get any subsidies, I could care less.

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Re: ECIU Wants To Double The Size Of Your Wind Turbines
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2018, 01:03:09 pm »
What other power generation system is built for only a useful life of 20 years?

That in itself should keep any taxpayer money from going to it.

Cheap Chinese crap.
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Re: ECIU Wants To Double The Size Of Your Wind Turbines
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2018, 02:29:44 am »
What other power generation system is built for only a useful life of 20 years?

That in itself should keep any taxpayer money from going to it.

Cheap Chinese crap.

The existing GEN III nukes can last 100 years. The turbine-generator may have to be replaced, but the nuclear island has few moving parts, and modern low leakage cores keep neutron embrittlement very low. That's the opinion of not only Westinghouse, Mitsubishi, KEPCO, and GE, but also the NRC agrees, agreeing to relicense in 20 year increments be on the safe side.

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Re: ECIU Wants To Double The Size Of Your Wind Turbines
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2018, 02:34:56 am »
The existing GEN III nukes can last 100 years. The turbine-generator may have to be replaced, but the nuclear island has few moving parts, and modern low leakage cores keep neutron embrittlement very low. That's the opinion of not only Westinghouse, Mitsubishi, KEPCO, and GE, but also the NRC agrees, agreeing to relicense in 20 year increments be on the safe side.
Ok, thanks for that input.

Guess I was under the impression that the operational life of a nuclear plant would be more like the 100 years.  20 years licensing for a plant that may have taken almost that long to permit and build seems low to me.
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Re: ECIU Wants To Double The Size Of Your Wind Turbines
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2018, 02:46:14 am »
Ok, thanks for that input.

Guess I was under the impression that the operational life of a nuclear plant would be more like the 100 years.  20 years licensing for a plant that may have taken almost that long to permit and build seems low to me.

The original licenses were for 40 years, but all plants keep what are called coupons in the core exposing them ot the radiation and heat. some are removed at every refueling and sent off to Argonne Labs for analysis. These analyses are what encourages the utilities to extend the licenses. I have talked to metallurgists who told me there should be absolutely no problem with 80 years, and that would be likely to extend another 20 years, if not more. The NRC has decided to do 20 year increments.

Even fossil plants are designed for 40 year lifetimes. trying to operate past this requires either a lot of new equipment, or less operating time. Given the temperatures and pressures they operate at - 3500-4000 psi/1100F vs 2500psi/625F (nuke) - the moving parts wear out faster and metal fatigues faster.

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Re: ECIU Wants To Double The Size Of Your Wind Turbines
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2018, 02:50:11 am »
What other power generation system is built for only a useful life of 20 years?

That in itself should keep any taxpayer money from going to it.

Cheap Chinese crap.

Solar systems wouldn't last 20 years.

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Re: ECIU Wants To Double The Size Of Your Wind Turbines
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2018, 12:52:46 am »
Solar systems wouldn't last 20 years.

They will last that long, but pv systems lose about 0.5% efficiency every year due to UV breakdown of the cells, and the longer the exposure, the greater the losses. I'd expect a 20 yr old panel to be about only 5-6% efficiency vs ~15% brand new
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Re: ECIU Wants To Double The Size Of Your Wind Turbines
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2018, 12:55:55 am »
They will last that long, but pv systems lose about 0.5% efficiency every year due to UV breakdown of the cells.

No way a solar panel lasts 20 years out in the sun and no way a battery hooked to the system lasts 20 years.

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Re: ECIU Wants To Double The Size Of Your Wind Turbines
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2018, 12:58:02 am »
No way a solar panel lasts 20 years out in the sun and no way a battery hooked to the system lasts 20 years.

I hit enter before I was ready........

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Re: ECIU Wants To Double The Size Of Your Wind Turbines
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2018, 01:06:00 am »
No way a solar panel lasts 20 years out in the sun and no way a battery hooked to the system lasts 20 years.

Edison batteries would.

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Re: ECIU Wants To Double The Size Of Your Wind Turbines
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2018, 01:09:16 am »
https://www.engineering.com/DesignerEdge/DesignerEdgeArticles/ArticleID/7475/What-Is-the-Lifespan-of-a-Solar-Panel.aspx

Degradation Rates

The National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) performed a meta-analysis of studies that examined the long term degradation rates of various PV panels. They found that the 1% per year rule was somewhat pessimistic for panels made prior to the year 2000, and today’s panels, with better technology and improved manufacturing techniques, have even more stamina than their predecessors. For monocrystalline silicon, the most commonly used panel for commercial and residential PV, the degradation rate is less than 0.5% for panels made before 2000, and less than 0.4% for panels made after 2000. That means that a panel manufactured today should produce 92% of its original power after 20 years, quite a bit higher than the 80% estimated by the 1% rule.

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Re: ECIU Wants To Double The Size Of Your Wind Turbines
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2018, 01:26:22 am »
Okay, maybe, but I think the actual materials will be falling apart from the effects of UV and storms.

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Re: ECIU Wants To Double The Size Of Your Wind Turbines
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2018, 12:04:07 pm »
No way a solar panel lasts 20 years out in the sun and no way a battery hooked to the system lasts 20 years.

I know of UPS systems in industrial facilities still operating with 30 year old batteries for power backup.

It depends on the battery and how it is used.  Your cell phone battery is maxed out on charge and discharge.  Typical industrial batteries would only run between 70% and 30% of those charge values.  They cost a lot more in $/Amphour but they are far more reliable and and have far more life.
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Re: ECIU Wants To Double The Size Of Your Wind Turbines
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2018, 12:48:02 pm »
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