Schiff 'very concerned' Trump might fire Rosenstein

[Cyber Liberty]

Better ring up Nunes and Trump, and tell them they’ve missed the obvious.

Why are you pushing for such a fast judgement?  You know we've only seen the first drops in an eventual bucket, so why so quick to write everything off?

You know pressing for a verdict before the case has been fully presented is foolish and liable to lead to a legal disaster, so why are you doing it? 

[Concerned]

I think that there is more than sufficient evidence for grand juries to consider already!

Interference by administrative employees of Federal, State, or Territorial Governments - 18 USC 595

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Without seeing the underlying intelligence and the FISA application itself, I don't see how any objective person could possibly definitively come to that conclusion.  Perhaps it's true but without seeing the FISA application and the underlying intelligence, we're just seeing the bits and pieces that a partisan wants us to see.  That's exactly why I think we need a full-scale classified investigation to review all the evidence, hear from all the witnesses, and then prosecute if appropriate.

[Emjay]

Yeah, gawrsh.  Compared to this - prosecutors not telling everything they know to a judge to obtain a search warrant, the way most prosecutors conduct themselves on a daily basis - the corruption of a sitting president using the power of the office to affirmatively cover up a crime pales into insignificance.

Sorry, judge, but that post doesn't meet the 'sense' test.

Get over your bitterness about prosecutors in criminal cases long enough to realize that this is a case that has the possibility of deeply affecting our country.

[Right_in_Virginia]

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[Right_in_Virginia]

Gregg Jarrett‏Verified account
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A 2nd source has now confirmed to me that, in a meeting on January 10, Deputy A-G Rosenstein used the power of his office to threaten to subpoena the calls & texts of the Intel Committee to get it to stop it’s investigation of DOJ and FBI.  Likely an Abuse of Power & Obstruction.

8:21 AM - 3 Feb 2018

https://twitter.com/GreggJarrett/status/959824077115576321

[Bigun]

Rosenstein should be fired today!

[Oceander]

Sorry, judge, but that post doesn't meet the 'sense' test.

Get over your bitterness about prosecutors in criminal cases long enough to realize that this is a case that has the possibility of deeply affecting our country.

Of course it does, and I wish people would focus on the crux of what’s been shown: that the DOJ and FBI have been thoroughly politicized by the democrats and get over the delusional fantasies of treason and marching their political enemies into jail. 

This could be used to discredit the democrats, unless it’s oversold as what it’s not.  If that happens, then it becomes a case of the little boy who cried wolf, and you lose your audience.

And as far as the memo goes, it’s bad enough, but it is not itself as bad as Watergate was.  If there’s more to it, let it come out - declassify the documents this memo was built on - but getting off prematurely on fantasies of sending loads of people to prison on the strength of this memo will just waste that opportunity. 

[Cyber Liberty]

Of course it does, and I wish people would focus on the crux of what’s been shown: that the DOJ and FBI have been thoroughly politicized by the democrats and get over the delusional fantasies of treason and marching their political enemies into jail. 

This could be used to discredit the democrats, unless it’s oversold as what it’s not.  If that happens, then it becomes a case of the little boy who cried wolf, and you lose your audience.

And as far as the memo goes, it’s bad enough, but it is not itself as bad as Watergate was.  If there’s more to it, let it come out - declassify the documents this memo was built on - but getting off prematurely on fantasies of sending loads of people to prison on the strength of this memo will just waste that opportunity.

The most sensible thing I've seen all day, and I say that sincerely with no sarcasm intended.  Thanks!   

[Emjay]

Of course it does, and I wish people would focus on the crux of what’s been shown: that the DOJ and FBI have been thoroughly politicized by the democrats and get over the delusional fantasies of treason and marching their political enemies into jail. 

This could be used to discredit the democrats, unless it’s oversold as what it’s not.  If that happens, then it becomes a case of the little boy who cried wolf, and you lose your audience.

And as far as the memo goes, it’s bad enough, but it is not itself as bad as Watergate was.  If there’s more to it, let it come out - declassify the documents this memo was built on - but getting off prematurely on fantasies of sending loads of people to prison on the strength of this memo will just waste that opportunity.

Good post but you may be forgetting how long it took Watergate to come out.  And Watergate was kinda penny ante compared to what this may entail.

[INVAR]

Without seeing the underlying intelligence and the FISA application itself, I don't see how any objective person could possibly definitively come to that conclusion.  Perhaps it's true but without seeing the FISA application and the underlying intelligence, we're just seeing the bits and pieces that a partisan wants us to see.  That's exactly why I think we need a full-scale classified investigation to review all the evidence, hear from all the witnesses, and then prosecute if appropriate.

So you are not of the opinion that Obama/Clinton/Democrats weaponized the FISA court to go after political targets the same way they did with the IRS?

If not - I'd say you are far too trusting.

[Oceander]

Good post but you may be forgetting how long it took Watergate to come out.  And Watergate was kinda penny ante compared to what this may entail.

And it may not be.  But why not wait for the facts to develop rather than rushing to judgment?  Particularly since the rush to judgment now will be used by the democrats to weaken all further evidence as just another part of the politically motivated witch-hunt. 

There’s a reason why the boy who cried wolf got et, even though he ended up being right about the wolf in the long run. 

[Emjay]

And it may not be.  But why not wait for the facts to develop rather than rushing to judgment?  Particularly since the rush to judgment now will be used by the democrats to weaken all further evidence as just another part of the politically motivated witch-hunt. 

There’s a reason why the boy who cried wolf got et, even though he ended up being right about the wolf in the long run.

We have no real choice but to wait but in the age of TBR, twitter, etc. there is no stopping rampant speculation and I don't see any real harm in that.

[Cyber Liberty]

And it may not be.  But why not wait for the facts to develop rather than rushing to judgment?  Particularly since the rush to judgment now will be used by the democrats to weaken all further evidence as just another part of the politically motivated witch-hunt. 

There’s a reason why the boy who cried wolf got et, even though he ended up being right about the wolf in the long run.

That is my opinion as well.  This is Fort Sumter, there's a long way to go in this war.  I'm not going to jump into the "I'm ready for orange jumpsuits" side, but I'm also not going to disparage others who do feel that way.  There's a lot of pent-up anger from watching two Presidents over 16 years getting away with murder.

[Oceander]

That is my opinion as well.  This is Fort Sumter, there's a long way to go in this war.  I'm not going to jump into the "I'm ready for orange jumpsuits" side, but I'm also not going to disparage others who do feel that way.  There's a lot of pent-up anger from watching two Presidents over 16 years getting away with murder.

There’s lot of pent up anger thinking two former Presidents got away with murder.  What’s lacking is sufficient evidence.

[Cyber Liberty]

There’s lot of pent up anger thinking two former Presidents got away with murder.  What’s lacking is sufficient evidence.

Agreed, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.  It could mean that nobody in authority has had the will to uncover the evidence, which explains a lot of that anger.  The question is, how do we motivate the people who have that authority to get off their butts and do the job?  Prove or disprove, but stop the ignoring.

It's looking like there's an IG who really is looking at stuff, but he's playing it close to the vest to keep a handle on the PR aspect of things.  The memo seems to be a way of telling us without actually telling us and tipping his hand.

[DB]

So you are not of the opinion that Obama/Clinton/Democrats weaponized the FISA court to go after political targets the same way they did with the IRS?

If not - I'd say you are far too trusting.

I wonder how George Papdopoulos became part of the Trump campaign. He was the "Russian" connection seed that provided the opening for DOJ to serveil the Trump campaign under the guise of national security. Was it pure coincident or something else. If something else the plan was deeper than currently known.

[Oceander]

Agreed, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.  It could mean that nobody in authority has had the will to uncover the evidence, which explains a lot of that anger.  The question is, how do we motivate the people who have that authority to get off their butts and do the job?  Prove or disprove, but stop the ignoring.

It's looking like there's an IG who really is looking at stuff, but he's playing it close to the vest to keep a handle on the PR aspect of things.  The memo seems to be a way of telling us without actually telling us and tipping his hand.

And sometimes it’s not found because it’s not there.  Usually, Occam’s razor is the better bet.

[Concerned]

So you are not of the opinion that Obama/Clinton/Democrats weaponized the FISA court to go after political targets the same way they did with the IRS?

If not - I'd say you are far too trusting.

I'm not ready to "convict" Obama and Clinton of any crime just yet relative to the FISA court situation.  I'd really like to see the totality of the FISA applications and to hear from witnesses (e.g., McCabe, Yates, Boente, and Rosenstein) before I do.

If you think I'm "far too trusting", you're certainly entitled to that opinion.  Given that I'm simply reserving judgment for now, labeling me "far too trusting" seems premature to me (but that's just MY opinion).

[Oceander]

I'm not ready to "convict" Obama and Clinton of any crime just yet relative to the FISA court situation.  I'd really like to see the totality of the FISA applications and to hear from witnesses (e.g., McCabe, Yates, Boente, and Rosenstein) before I do.

If you think I'm "far too trusting", you're certainly entitled to that opinion.  Given that I'm simply reserving judgment for now, labeling me "far too trusting" seems premature to me (but that's just MY opinion).

A voice of reason. 

[Cyber Liberty]

And sometimes it’s not found because it’s not there.  Usually, Occam’s razor is the better bet.

I'm far too cynical to be that trusting.

[edpc]

I wonder how George Papdopoulos became part of the Trump campaign. He was the "Russian" connection seed that provided the opening for DOJ to serveil the Trump campaign under the guise of national security. Was it pure coincident or something else. If something else the plan was deeper than currently known.

It’s a little more boring than that - insider establishment cronyism.  Papadopoulos was formerly with the Carson campaign in the primary.  Sam Clovis, another party insider who previously worked with Santorum, recruited him for the Trump foreign policy advisory team.  It boils down to a bunch of incestuous party associations.

[anubias]

These pathologically lying lib types are always so very “concerned.” They never tire of using that term. 

Schit needs to put up something other than BS or shut up.

[INVAR]

I'm far too cynical to be that trusting.

Likewise.

I've learned to be just watching the graft, corruption and crap that has been going on at Mordor on the Potomac.

[driftdiver]

I wonder how George Papdopoulos became part of the Trump campaign. He was the "Russian" connection seed that provided the opening for DOJ to serveil the Trump campaign under the guise of national security. Was it pure coincident or something else. If something else the plan was deeper than currently known.

@DB

How?  Because there's a relatively small number of people involved with campaigns.  They all know each other and they don't burn bridges except with the other party, sometimes.

[ConstitutionRose]

McCabe is gone.  Several others involved have lost their positions of influence.  Getting the facts out in the open may be all that is needed.  No "firings" required.  There is more than one way to bring pressure to bear.  Ultimately, the FBI can be influenced by the need to repair its reputation by cleaning house.  The memo seems like a good start.  Get it all out in the sunshine.