Ted Cruz On Trump’s Amnesty Compromise: FORGET IT!

[Cyber Liberty]

Yeah, you go think that.  Says more about how you view those who regard the Bible as God's Word than it does about us.

I think that quote right there says everything an actual Christian Believer needs to know about you.

I find the "love Him on the merits" part intriguing.  What if God decided to test him?  I wonder what would happen to that love if he woke up one morning covered in boils, he went to his Firm and was fired after being framed on an untrue ethics violation, and his Significant Other dumped him like a hot potato because of the scandal?

Job?

[Cyber Liberty]

OTM?  I'm not familiar with that abbreviation.

OTM is either Other Than Mexican or Orange Tainted Members

@corbe!   

@libertybele That's an ICE abbreviation for "Other Than Mexican."  It has a specific meaning for the border cops.

[INVAR]

So ... do you think God sent Trump for this time in history?

No.  I think we cross the line into idolatry when we assert that God is anointing and sending us a politician to lead us when our society and culture has rejected and thrown God out of it.

But if I did, could we not also then say that God sent Hitler to Germany for that period of time in history?  Look, God can work with whomever He chooses to accomplish His purposes.  God even used Satan to work Righteousness in Job.  However, if one looks at biblical history - when Israel demanded a king, God let them have their way - and it was ruinous, complete with the people choosing one evil king after another until they were utterly destroyed.

I am of the opinion that like Ancient Israel, God is letting us choose and decide for ourselves whom will rule us - and suffer the consequences.

Do you think there's any point in praying for a desired outcome in one's own life or in the life of the country?

'But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you'. - Matthew 6:33

We're supposed to seek God's will first and foremost in our lives, not our own.

The problem is, we no longer do as a people.  We seek our own will and our own desires, and remake morality and God into our own acceptable image.  Golden calves are a speciality of human nature.

[Emjay]

No.  I think we cross the line into idolatry when we assert that God is anointing and sending us a politician to lead us when our society and culture has rejected and thrown God out of it.

But if I did, could we not also then say that God sent Hitler to Germany for that period of time in history?  Look, God can work with whomever He chooses to accomplish His purposes.  God even used Satan to work Righteousness in Job.  However, if one looks at biblical history - when Israel demanded a king, God let them have their way - and it was ruinous, complete with the people choosing one evil king after another until they were utterly destroyed.

I am of the opinion that like Ancient Israel, God is letting us choose and decide for ourselves whom will rule us - and suffer the consequences.

'But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you'. - Matthew 6:33

We're supposed to seek God's will first and foremost in our lives, not our own.

The problem is, we no longer do as a people.  We seek our own will and our own desires, and remake morality and God into our own acceptable image.  Golden calves are a speciality of human nature.

Thanks for an interesting reply.  As so often is the case when we veer into religion, it also contained some confusion and contradiction.

But nobody ever said God was easy.

[roamer_1]

Yes, but your faith is just as blind and irrational.   I, too, believe in Christ - but for very different reasons than you do.   I refuse to cling to stray passages in the Bible to justify hate and prejudice.   Christ is WORTHY of being followed because of the moral philosophy He espouses,  and the RELEVANCE of that philosophy to living a more peaceful, charitable, community-centered life.   For example, Christ PERSUADES me to defend and respect the very same folks that you believe God commands you to condemn as perverts and abominations. 

It was Christ's own finger that wrote those laws in stone. HE said they are eternal

[roamer_1]

OTM is either Other Than Mexican or Orange Tainted Members

Old-Timey Mariners?
Often Total Morons?
Only Temporarily Mummified?

[Jazzhead]

It was Christ's own finger that wrote those laws in stone. HE said they are eternal

Bullshit.  Christ doesn't compel you to hate - to the contrary!.  Using the Bible to justify such hate is the true abomination.   

[GrouchoTex]

Old-Timey Mariners?
Often Total Morons?
Only Temporarily Mummified?

Off The Mark

[INVAR]

For example, Christ PERSUADES me to defend and respect the very same folks that you believe God commands you to condemn as perverts and abominations.       

Of course you do.

You inadvertently admit to being a willing tool and pawn of Satan - to defend and respect sin, and those who unapologetically practice sin and abomination.

You have revealed it is the Bible and those who adhere and are beholden to His Word that you consider sinful and evil, while declaring as righteous and good, those behaviors and practices the bible condemns and states unequivocally will lead to eternal death.

It was Christ's own finger that wrote those laws in stone. HE said they are eternal

He does not acknowledge that.  He rejects scripture and anything in it he disagrees with politically and socially.

He's a Sojourner at best - whereby only the red letters of the Gospel are referenced and usually to promote the insistence that Jesus was a Socialist.

[roamer_1]

Bullshit.  Christ doesn't compel you to hate - to the contrary!.  Using the Bible to justify such hate is the true abomination.

There's your problem right there.
It is not hate. It is help.

[roamer_1]

Off The Mark

Ooooh! Totally Marvey!

[INVAR]

Bullshit.  Christ doesn't compel you to hate - to the contrary!.  Using the Bible to justify such hate is the true abomination.

"For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to break them will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven". - Matthew 5:18-19

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God". - I Corinthians 6:8-9

All you are engaged in doing, is attempting to lead others to eternal death - to follow the god of this age and the wisdom of society instead of the Word of God that you so vociferously and routinely reject with vehemence.


I find the parallels of those who insist that Illegals should be rewarded with residency and citizenship for breaking the law of our land (as you have said), and what you opine regarding  those engaged in breaking biblical laws as being righteous, to be a fascinating study.

[roamer_1]

"For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to break them will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven". - Matthew 5:18-19

Well there's some red words, right there!

[txradioguy]

There's your problem right there.
It is not hate. It is help.

But the Mikey Weinstein disciple will never understand that.

[roamer_1]

But the Mikey Weinstein disciple will never understand that.

@txradioguy
Hard tellin. The good Lord had to knock me upside the head with a 2x4. I come by faith the hard way. 

[txradioguy]

@txradioguy
Hard tellin. The good Lord had to knock me upside the head with a 2x4. I come by faith the hard way. 

I did too.  I hope he does as well.

[INVAR]

I did too.  I hope he does as well.

For his eternal sake - I hope he would too, but hearts hardened to The Lord as scripture reveals is going to be a tough nut to crack.

"The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God's law, nor can it ever." - Romans 8:7

[Cyber Liberty]

For his eternal sake - I hope he would too, but hearts hardened to The Lord as scripture reveals is going to be a tough nut to crack.

"The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God's law, nor can it ever." - Romans 8:7

'Tain't nuthin' wrong with prayin' for a man, even if he's not penitent. 

[INVAR]

'Tain't nuthin' wrong with prayin' for a man, even if he's not penitent. 

Falls into the category of praying for your enemies.

[Cyber Liberty]

Falls into the category of praying for your enemies.

I suppose it would, but I don't consider him an "enemy," just wrong as can be.  But your point is well taken, because he does seem to be doing his best to drive others from the path.

[Sanguine]

Falls into the category of praying for your enemies.

Is he your neighbor?

[INVAR]

Is he your neighbor?

Thank God no.

He's in PA somewhere according to his comments about 2nd Amendment infringements and vociferously opposing Texas-style gun culture in his state.

[Sanguine]

Thank God no.

He's in PA somewhere according to his comments about 2nd Amendment infringements and vociferously opposing Texas-style gun culture in his state.

You know what I mean and that ain't it.  (And, I dislike that question too.)

[Cyber Liberty]

Thank God no.

He's in PA somewhere according to his comments about 2nd Amendment infringements and vociferously opposing Texas-style gun culture in his state.

If TX gun laws rive him nutz, then I'm in hysterics about how he must be about AZ gun laws.  My wife and I carry concealed everywhere we go, no permits required.

[edpc]

If TX gun laws rive him nutz, then I'm in hysterics about how he must be about AZ gun laws.  My wife and I carry concealed everywhere we go, no permits required.

Kansas is the same way.  If you can lawfully own a firearm and you're a resident, no carry permit required.  Most still get it for reciprocity reasons.