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Re: Trump sent fewer Mexicans home from US in 2017 than Obama in 2016
« Reply #175 on: December 29, 2017, 03:28:30 pm »
I'm going to state it one more time for the record, because as you so often claim, the TRUTH matters.

On two separate threads yesterday, I was discussing things and stated opinions that you disagreed with.  Instead of responding in a decent manner, you called me STUPID (yes, you put it in caps) and on this thread you accused me of being so weak that I was being led by the nose by "cultural Marxists" (and you used multiple exclamation points, IIRC).

In the discussion that ensued on both threads, I remained calm because your insults were so idiotic and just plain wrong, but I defended myself against your nastiness (even though I was feeling sorry for you throughout the day), and never once became even remotely "hysterical,' in spite of how ugly your personal attacks were.

Now, in the light of a new day, I realize that for the first time in all the years I've known you, I have lost respect for you.  Not because you lost your temper or your mood swung wildly (I've seen you do that a bunch) nor because you felt the need to destroy a person who disagrees with you (I've also seen you do that a lot), but because after all was said and done, you never backed off, nor apologized for your error or your deep down, completely unnecessary meanness.

You can go around using pejoratives against illegals all you want.  That's not the point.   The point is that you were someone I used to respect, but because of your intransigent nastiness and personal attacks (on two different threads and two different subjects) because of my differing OPINION, that respect has been greatly diminished. 

You KNOW me @Bigun .  And you know your attacks on me were completely false, and yet you hung on for dear life to the garbage you had flung my way, and then had the nerve to call me "hysterical."

I don't hold grudges, but I will put you on Ignore until you at least recognize that you were out of line yesterday.

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Re: Trump sent fewer Mexicans home from US in 2017 than Obama in 2016
« Reply #176 on: December 29, 2017, 03:32:38 pm »
Oh my goodness.  What is up with PC garbage?  Call them what they are,.........illegal....broken law.  The same thing as Democrats not wanting to say Islamic terrorists.

Go tell the newspapers that rarely will print "illegal" does such and such. That's all one is talking about, you may disagree but in the real world, one has to deal with some facts.  Breitbart and other websites may print such things, a lot of the mainstream won't.

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Re: Trump sent fewer Mexicans home from US in 2017 than Obama in 2016
« Reply #177 on: December 29, 2017, 03:35:23 pm »
Yeah, I didn't vote for Trump because I didn't find the rhetoric believable.  Sadly I was hoping that I would be wrong but it doesn't appear to be.  He was talking wild stuff.  Unbelievable.  Coming from a State that is sanctuary state I know these people are rooted.  Our government has rolled out the big red welcome carpet.  Tax id's for people here illegally allowing them to purchase homes, business loans, cars, credit of all kinds.  They could never have mass deportation.  The banks couldn't handle the foreclosures.

There are a lot of issues; so this is off-topic but he should not be allowed to have such a shot taken at him unanswered.

He's been the most pro-life president either and I'm happy I did not abandon the unborn. To each their own.

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Re: Trump sent fewer Mexicans home from US in 2017 than Obama in 2016
« Reply #178 on: December 29, 2017, 03:36:27 pm »
As do mine, Bigun.  I refuse to go so far in the opposite direction as to meet cultural marxism on the other end, though.

Perfectly reasonable.  The word we are discussing was in common use for far longer than I've been alive.  Probably twice that long in fact and I see no good reason to abandon it's usage.
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Re: Trump sent fewer Mexicans home from US in 2017 than Obama in 2016
« Reply #179 on: December 29, 2017, 03:41:00 pm »
Voting rights were long quashed in states often where the bellyachers about the civil war reside, badmouthing others. Those areas among others now look to undergo demographic changes in the next few decades or years, it could have happened long ago. It sounds like karma.

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Re: Trump sent fewer Mexicans home from US in 2017 than Obama in 2016
« Reply #180 on: December 29, 2017, 03:42:40 pm »
Perfectly reasonable.  The word we are discussing was in common use for far longer than I've been alive.  Probably twice that long in fact and I see no good reason to abandon it's usage.

And that's a bad reason to me. I don't even think one can deny other racist terms in use but now, there is an exception for this one? And this was already discussed last night. Toss that word out, as shown from the books at the UT press, there are other ones.

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Re: Trump sent fewer Mexicans home from US in 2017 than Obama in 2016
« Reply #181 on: December 29, 2017, 03:44:35 pm »
Immigration and illegal immigration can't be solved in a year; from Obama's system, we are probably getting into Trump's system. In ways, it seems to be working. Perhaps to begin with, there were fewer "Mexicans" trying to come across in the first place.

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Re: Trump sent fewer Mexicans home from US in 2017 than Obama in 2016
« Reply #182 on: December 29, 2017, 06:08:10 pm »
And you know me @musiclady.

I will appologize when I have done something to apologize for and have done so on this very forum in the past.

I have NEVER attacked you personally and certianly did not do so yesterday but it saddens me greatly that you took honest attempts at discusion  as "attacks" on you personally.  I would have thought that someone with your background would know better than that but I guess I was incorrect about that as well and the loos of respect thing works both ways.

Oh, for heaven's sake, @Bigun.  You called me STUPID in all caps.  On this thread you said I was a lemming who was led by the nose by "Cultural Marxists."

You're not that dense.  You KNOW you attacked me personally.  I'm not that sensitive after all these years dealing with jerks on political forums, but when a friend calls me STUPID and doesn't know enough to realize I bow to NO one when it comes to my opinions or thoughts, or loyalties, that's a different matter.

The fact that you don't care and have turned the blame for your bad behavior on me, only makes me think less of you.


AND FOR THE RECORD HERE............... I do not refrain from using the term "wetback" because of political correctness nor "Cultural Marxism."  I do it because I do not use pejorative names at all, even with the wimpy excuse that they use the term themselves.

I had an Italian band director who called himself a "Wop."  I never called him that out of respect.   I do not call Irish people names, I do not call Polish people names.  I do not use the pejorative term "redskin" even though some Native Americans don't mind it.  I do not use the "n" word even though some blacks use it among themselves.  I do not call Puerto Ricans names, I do not call Japanese people names, I do not call VietNamese people names.

I do that because of my conscience, and the way I believe God expects us as Christians to treat others.  And I do it because I believe conservatism demands decency and respect out of us.  It is a liberal quality to call people names because you don't like them.  There is nothing Conservative about being derogatory.

So again, for the record, my opinion has absolutely NOTHING to do with political correctness, nor with being a lemming and falling under the spell of "Cultural Marxism" (the most inane insult I've ever gotten on any forum. @Bigun .  Totally idiotic).

SOME of us don't use pejorative terms to describe other people out of common decency.

The rest of you can do as you please, but insulting us because we have higher standards only lowers yourselves.
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Re: Trump sent fewer Mexicans home from US in 2017 than Obama in 2016
« Reply #183 on: December 29, 2017, 06:09:13 pm »
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Re: Trump sent fewer Mexicans home from US in 2017 than Obama in 2016
« Reply #184 on: December 29, 2017, 06:25:02 pm »
The discussion of controversial subjects can definately lead to someone saying something that they otherwise might not have said but that does NOT mean they don't need to be discussed.

I totally agree they need to be discussed, but they need to be discussed rationally.

When you make it personal and degrade people, it's no longer merely a discussion of a controversial subject.

It's a sign of weakness in your argument and insecurity in your position.

Try keeping it on the subject next time without the hysterics, and see how differently people react.
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Re: Trump sent fewer Mexicans home from US in 2017 than Obama in 2016
« Reply #185 on: December 29, 2017, 06:29:09 pm »
I totally agree they need to be discussed, but they need to be discussed rationally.

When you make it personal and degrade people, it's no longer merely a discussion of a controversial subject.

It's a sign of weakness in your argument and insecurity in your position.

Try keeping it on the subject next time without the hysterics, and see how differently people react.

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Re: Trump sent fewer Mexicans home from US in 2017 than Obama in 2016
« Reply #186 on: December 29, 2017, 06:40:46 pm »
Physician heal thyself!

I'm not a bit insecure, nor even slightly hysterical, dearie.  That's what bothers you the most, isn't it?

You thought you could just screech at me and I'd back down from my rational, well thought out opinion, but I didn't.

Oops.  You failed.

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Re: Trump sent fewer Mexicans home from US in 2017 than Obama in 2016
« Reply #187 on: December 29, 2017, 06:47:17 pm »
Good grief. 

Somebody is obviously not having enough Christmas/NYs cheer (Frank Cannon excluded, of course).

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Re: Trump sent fewer Mexicans home from US in 2017 than Obama in 2016
« Reply #188 on: December 29, 2017, 07:01:26 pm »
Good grief. 

Somebody is obviously not having enough Christmas/NYs cheer (Frank Cannon excluded, of course).

Actually, other than this thread, my life is very, very good.

Don't worry about me (if I'm the one you're worried about).  All is groovy!   :beer:
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Re: Trump sent fewer Mexicans home from US in 2017 than Obama in 2016
« Reply #189 on: December 29, 2017, 07:03:15 pm »
I'm not a bit insecure, nor even slightly hysterical, dearie.  ...

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Re: Trump sent fewer Mexicans home from US in 2017 than Obama in 2016
« Reply #190 on: December 29, 2017, 07:36:24 pm »
Actually, other than this thread, my life is very, very good.

Don't worry about me (if I'm the one you're worried about).  All is groovy!   :beer:

That's good to hear.  We should all be very grateful for the fact that America's economy is getting better, despite the best efforts of the radical left.  We have a lot to be grateful and thankful to God  for right now.  Let's hope that we can all focus on our blessings instead of on our shortfalls ... and on the things we DO have in common and agree on, vs. the issues on which we disagree... in the coming year.  Fact is... despite all of our many points of disagreements, we are still on the same side.... against the radical leftists.... right?  Here's hoping for the growth and solidification of that unity in 2018, along that same vein.   :beer:
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Re: Trump sent fewer Mexicans home from US in 2017 than Obama in 2016
« Reply #191 on: December 29, 2017, 07:37:34 pm »
Good grief. 

Somebody is obviously not having enough Christmas/NYs cheer (Frank Cannon excluded, of course).

Agreed!  Good grief ... bring out the 'Jolly' .... right this very minute!!! 

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Re: Trump sent fewer Mexicans home from US in 2017 than Obama in 2016
« Reply #192 on: December 29, 2017, 07:41:40 pm »
Agreed!  Good grief ... bring out the 'Jolly' .... right this very minute!!! 

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Re: Trump sent fewer Mexicans home from US in 2017 than Obama in 2016
« Reply #193 on: December 29, 2017, 07:42:42 pm »
And let's use the new Emoji Nancy got us for the weekend! 

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Re: Trump sent fewer Mexicans home from US in 2017 than Obama in 2016
« Reply #194 on: December 29, 2017, 07:46:43 pm »
And let's use the new Emoji Nancy got us for the weekend! 

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Oh, we must be saving this one for afterwards:

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« Reply #195 on: December 29, 2017, 08:00:23 pm »
Oh, we must be saving this one for afterwards:

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Reminds me of the old days of my misspent youth when I was in a Fraternity at college.
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Re: Trump sent fewer Mexicans home from US in 2017 than Obama in 2016
« Reply #196 on: December 29, 2017, 08:09:32 pm »
Reminds me of the old days of my misspent youth when I was in a Fraternity at college.

Thank God you've grown since then, though.  Right?   :silly:
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Re: Trump sent fewer Mexicans home from US in 2017 than Obama in 2016
« Reply #197 on: December 29, 2017, 08:25:13 pm »
Debating "racial slurs" is sometimes pointless, even some racist terms that seem very clear can be argued, if people listen to hip-hop or rap music, I know the women of a boy, they are white, and she had to take off after him because of repeating what he heard in that music and some youths love it as we have loved types of music. I even had to tell him not to say these things because people around might not get it.  That occurred to me, earlier I came across an article on the Washington football teams. Sure, it's political correctness gone amuck.


That is true.  Blacks frequently call themselves the "N" word and it is OK, but not for whites.  Probably the same thing with Hispanics and the "W" name.  My comment earlier was about the title "illegal".  That is a plain fact.  I wasn't talking about "W".

I never had bad feelings about Hispanics until working with them for years.  Truth is I can see why people want to call them names.  I never have but my opinion has changed to lazy and rude.  Sounds like a general assessment but when you work with lots they stick together and they act like a Mafia in the workplace.  Piss one off and you are branded for life.
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Re: Trump sent fewer Mexicans home from US in 2017 than Obama in 2016
« Reply #198 on: December 29, 2017, 08:27:34 pm »
That's good to hear.  We should all be very grateful for the fact that America's economy is getting better, despite the best efforts of the radical left.  We have a lot to be grateful and thankful to God  for right now.  Let's hope that we can all focus on our blessings instead of on our shortfalls ... and on the things we DO have in common and agree on, vs. the issues on which we disagree... in the coming year.  Fact is... despite all of our many points of disagreements, we are still on the same side.... against the radical leftists.... right?  Here's hoping for the growth and solidification of that unity in 2018, along that same vein.   :beer:

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Re: Trump sent fewer Mexicans home from US in 2017 than Obama in 2016
« Reply #199 on: December 29, 2017, 08:56:49 pm »
Nice choice.  ^-^


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