Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election

[Bigun]

Here's what this means for the future.  If the swamp and the media can do this to Roy Moore in Alabama they can do it to anyone anywhere. There will be no more grassroots candidates win anywhere. If you don't get on your knees and kiss the right rings you can forget getting elected anywhere in this nation now.

[mystery-ak]

So!  Now that that's over...who wants to start a pool on what happens to these molesting charges against Moore?

In a few days you won't hear anymore about them....the MSM is after Trump now

[Cyber Liberty]

So!  Now that that's over...who wants to start a pool on what happens to these molesting charges against Moore?

@corbe I think it's about time for a poll...first thing in the morning?

[TomSea]

The voters of Alabama chose him, Moore in the primaries, the Wapo came in with their story. I'm not just going to saddle certain parties with blame, it looks like there is a lot to go around.

[txradioguy]

Sure   You keep believing that.   If they don’t pass tax reform and significant reform at that they have no chance.  Even with tax reform they are in trouble.  I have been voting republican since 1980 and this may be the first election I sit out.  A pox on all their houses

IMHO this election was the canary in the mine for the GOP in the upcoming mid terms.

[Right_in_Virginia]

In a few days you won't hear anymore about them....the MSM is after Trump now

Yup.

[Cyber Liberty]

I'll start.  It will turn out the women were molested by Trump.

@corbe One answer for your poll....

[Free Vulcan]

Why blame Mitch? Could it be that Roy was a S**t candidate...

You can get ready for this to be done to every GOP candidate they can. Every one will get the Herman Cain/Ted Cruz treatment.

[TomSea]

So, Fox didn't get their polling perfect but I guess, better than those who said Moore was going to win. I also heard earlier, the turnout was 25% of eligible voters. I'd blame the voters as much as anyone if this is so and the Dems were more energized.

[dfwgator]

Sessions gave up this seat for NOTHING...He's done JACK SQUAT!

[Cyber Liberty]

IMHO this election was the canary in the mine for the GOP in the upcoming mid terms.

The way the GOP has been acting, I don't much care if they lose.

[libertybele]

Now that the DEMS have won by way of sexual misconduct accusations they will continue to hound Trump and call for him to step down for sexual misconduct...the timing of the woman who has come forward (again) accusing Trump of groping is perfectly aligned with Jones' win.

[Hoodat]

Could it be that Roy was a S**t candidate...

He was.  He never campaigned.

[mystery-ak]

Sessions gave up this seat for NOTHING...He's done JACK SQUAT!

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[Right_in_Virginia]

Sessions gave up this seat for NOTHING...He's done JACK SQUAT!

This truth makes the Jones win so much more painful.

[Mom MD]

So, Fox didn't get their polling perfect but I guess, better than those who said Moore was going to win. I also heard earlier, the turnout was 25% of eligible voters. I'd blame the voters as much as anyone if this is so and the Dems were more energized.

If I were in Alabama I would have stayed home.  You can only hold your nose so long.  The dems win twice here.  They get the seat and they get to paint conservative Christians as sanctimonious nut jobs

[Sanguine]

Does this mean Al Franken does have to resign? 

[cato potatoe]

The GOP rank & file drew the wrong conclusion from 2016.  Unless the other side sends up Hillary, you're going to lose a competitive race with a weak candidate.  And with Trump cratering like I expected, they are pretty well screwed for the midterms.

[DiogenesLamp]

Guess riding around on a horse isn't the winning strategy it was........back in 1877.

Well,  that 1% of the power of the Senate looks pretty powerful when the split between the two halves is ~ 50%

That 1% can sometimes control 100% of the result.   


Big forces wanted to make sure that 1% ended up under their control. 


I wanted to make that point to you before,  but I couldn't think of the proper way to phrase it to make the point clear.   
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[Bigun]

You can get ready for this to be done to every GOP candidate they can. Every one will get the Herman Cain/Ted Cruz treatment.

Absolutely right!  You can count on it!  May not be sex but you can bet your azz that they will find, or manufacture, something and spin it till they get the outcome they want!

[Variant]

Here's what this means for the future.  If the swamp and the media can do this to Roy Moore in Alabama they can do it to anyone anywhere. There will be no more grassroots candidates win anywhere. If you don't get on your knees and kiss the right rings you can forget getting elected anywhere in this nation now.

The populist portion of the voter base will continue to nominate fringe candidates unable to win statewide election... but they won't blame themselves when Democrats take control again.

Remember this happening for Harry Reid?  He was extremely vulnerable but the voters put up Sharon Angle instead...

The good news is the Democrats are as dysfunctional as we are, but they can certainly unite in opposition to Trump.

[corbe]

   Remember the good ol days back in 2014~'BT' (before Trump)?


November 4, 2014
 
Nominee  Jeff Sessions   

Party Republican 

Popular vote
795,606 

Percentage
97.3%
 

[240B]

He may get his wish....better not lose the House or we will be covering impeachment proceedings in 2019

Who cares? Then we get Pence. He may be the better President anyway. I have no fear of impeachment.

[Sighlass]

Last chance absentee votes... fingers crossed.

[DiogenesLamp]

So!  Now that that's over...who wants to start a pool on what happens to these molesting charges against Moore?

They will evaporate like the morning dew.   They were always just a tool to stop Trump.   

[Free Vulcan]

Does this mean Al Franken does have to resign?

I wonder if he will now.

[txradioguy]

Does this mean Al Franken does have to resign?

IMHO he'd have stayed on if Moore had won.

Now he's gonna be pushed out and again...in IMO...be replaced by Keith X Ellison.

[mystery-ak]

Who cares? Then we get Pence. He may be the better President anyway. I have no fear of impeachment.

They won't stop with Trump...Pence would be vulnerable too

[kevindavis007]

The populist portion of the voter base will continue to nominate fringe candidates unable to win statewide election... but they won't blame themselves when Democrats take control again.

Remember this happening for Harry Reid?  He was extremely vulnerable but the voters put up Sharon Angle instead...

The good news is the Democrats are as dysfunctional as we are, but they can certainly unite in opposition to Trump.

Maybe Steve Bannon should just f**k off.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Now that the DEMS have won by way of sexual misconduct accusations they will continue to hound Trump and call for him to step down for sexual misconduct...the timing of the woman who has come forward (again) accusing Trump of groping is perfectly aligned with Jones' win.

Agree @libertybele   And Republicans/Conservatives will begin another endless debate on the validity of the charges further dividing and weakening the party.

Democrats know how to fight a war ... and they don't care that we know their strongest weapon is the media.  It still works for them.

[DiogenesLamp]

apparently people believed those accusations including Trump's daughter

Some portion of the population always believes bad things about someone they don't like anyway.  What would the New York Liberal Darling want with  a Bible Thumper like Moore anyways?   

[Variant]

I wonder if he will now.

Count on it.  The accusations are an albatross in a party where they hang their hats on finding albotrosses.  Plus, the Dems can replace him with a Dem and Minnesota probably will be reliably blue in a special election thanks to Congress' incompetence and Trump's inability to stop tweeting stupid stuff.

Franken is gone.

[mystery-ak]

Poll should be  Will Franken resign....I am saying no

[Hoodat]

Does this mean Al Franken does have to resign?

Now that the election is over, no.

[DiogenesLamp]

The voters of Alabama chose him, Moore in the primaries, the Wapo came in with their story. I'm not just going to saddle certain parties with blame, it looks like there is a lot to go around.

I only blame one group.  Those who accepted the unverified and contradictory claims at face value,  spread them around,  and as a result lent aid and comfort to the enemy.   

[240B]

They won't stop with Trump...Pence would be vulnerable too

Maybe. But it won't be so easy. Pence doesn't tease the lion like Trump is so fond of doing. He doesn't have the checkered past that Trump has. It will be much harder for them to pin him down, especially in the time remaining until the next election.

[Frank Cannon]

Well,  that 1% of the power of the Senate looks pretty powerful when the split between the two halves is ~ 50%

That 1% can sometimes control 100% of the result.   


Big forces wanted to make sure that 1% ended up under their control. 


I wanted to make that point to you before,  but I couldn't think of the proper way to phrase it to make the point clear.   
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Yeah and even if the GOP had 100% of the power they would do nothing, because they are all professional losers just like Jesus Freak and admitted child dater Roy Moore.

Wrap your head around the fact that a solid red state just voted for a Communist abortionist and everyone with an R after their named just sighed in relief to not be burdened with leadership anymore. I'll be Paul Ryan was so excited he ran to the gym to pump some irons with the other sweaty boys there.

[mystery-ak]

Moore ran for Gov twice and lost....per Fox

Moore's team not conceding yet

[Mom MD]

Poll should be  Will Franken resign....I am saying no

It depends   If the dems think they have a chance of gaining traction with sexual misconduct claims on Trump they would push out their own grandmother.  If it looks like the smear on trump is going nowhere Franken will stay and loudly proclaim if Trump doesn’t have to resign neither will he....

[DiogenesLamp]

So, Fox didn't get their polling perfect but I guess, better than those who said Moore was going to win. I also heard earlier, the turnout was 25% of eligible voters. I'd blame the voters as much as anyone if this is so and the Dems were more energized.

The accusations made a lot of people sit out the election.    They couldn't vote for Jones,  and they decided they wouldn't vote for Moore.   

[RoosGirl]

But what would they get Pence for?  Certainly not any sexual impropriety.

He was built in Taiwan, so not an NBC.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Poll should be  Will Franken resign....I am saying no

He's got to so they can now focus on the President. 

[Cyber Liberty]

Agree @libertybele   And Republicans/Conservatives will begin another endless debate on the validity of the charges further dividing and weakening the party.

Sure.  And I'll bet we know which Briefers would lead the way....

[mystery-ak]

But what would they get Pence for?  Certainly not any sexual impropriety.

We're talking about the Dems...they would invent something...

[DiogenesLamp]

If I were in Alabama I would have stayed home.  You can only hold your nose so long.  The dems win twice here.  They get the seat and they get to paint conservative Christians as sanctimonious nut jobs

Because we'll get another chance to stop baby murder in about 40 more years or so.   

[Variant]

Maybe. But it won't be so easy. Pence doesn't tease the lion like Trump is so fond of doing. He doesn't have the checkered past that Trump has. It will be much harder for them to pin him down, especially in the time remaining until the next election.

Pence would appear to be squeaky clean, but honestly, I assume every politician is sleazy.  I think you almost need to be to succeed at most any level of politics, much less the national level and if we limit ourselves to the pure, we won't have anyone to vote for.

[RetBobbyMI]

Mitch screwed up another solid victory, but solidified his majority of losers with his bud Chuckie. Now he gets to live with his decisions. I feel sorry for the country and Alabama, but not for the GOPe. They got what they wanted. I don’t want to hear a sorry assed peep from them about not able to get a majority to vote for anything. F#$@& off the whole lot of them.

[roamer_1]

But what would they get Pence for?  Certainly not any sexual impropriety.

The very same could have been said about Moore not 60 days ago.

[dfwgator]

Mitch screwed up another solid victory, but solidified his majority of losers with his bud Chuckie. Now he gets to live with his decisions. I feel sorry for the country and Alabama, but not for the GOPe. They got what they wanted. I don’t want to hear a sorry assed peep from them about not able to get a majority to vote for anything. F#$@& off the whole lot of them.

Oh, Mitch is a very happy man tonight.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Moore ran for Gov twice and lost....per Fox 

Whatever made Bannon think Moore could win a Senate seat??