Trump certainly didn’t help

[Oceander]

If anything, Nassau County and the Town I live in skewed even harder to the democrats.  Next year is probably going to be a metaphoric bloodbath, with the democrats taking back Congress. 

[Frank Cannon]

If anything, Nassau County and the Town I live in skewed even harder to the democrats.  Next year is probably going to be a metaphoric bloodbath, with the democrats taking back Congress.

Yeah. It had nothing to do with the GOP in the state being demoralized after 2 terms of one of the most corrupt and incompetent Govs the country has seen since Rod Blagojevich.

[INVAR]

If anything, Nassau County and the Town I live in skewed even harder to the democrats.  Next year is probably going to be a metaphoric bloodbath, with the democrats taking back Congress.

Deservedly so.

The GOP has killed itself - and.... good riddance.

The Whigs will finally have some well-deserved company.

[Oceander]

Yeah. It had nothing to do with the GOP in the state being demoralized after 2 terms of one of the most corrupt and incompetent Govs the country has seen since Rod Blagojevich.

/snicker

No.  It has to do with every republican getting tarred and feathered with the Trump brush.

[Oceander]

Deservedly so.

The GOP has killed itself - and.... good riddance.

The Whigs will finally have some well-deserved company.

Perhaps.  But the dems will now have unfettered rein to remake the country in their ersatz socialist mood. 

[endicom]

If anything, Nassau County and the Town I live in skewed even harder to the democrats.  Next year is probably going to be a metaphoric bloodbath, with the democrats taking back Congress.

Nassau County used to be Republican and has been drifting Democrat for half a century. Hell, Queens was split back then.

[INVAR]

Perhaps.  But the dems will now have unfettered rein to remake the country in their ersatz socialist mood.

Half the population of the country prefers Socialism, and it is being taught to every kid in public school, and has been for decades.

We chucked out the foundational principles of the entire country and have declared them evil.  What did we think was going to happen? 

Having unfettered rein to remake the nation into the image of Marx is inevitable at this point, especially when most government institutions are wholly corrupt.

[endicom]

/snicker

No.  It has to do with every republican getting tarred and feathered with the Trump brush.

No, it has to do with the changing demographic from human to government worker. I could see the change in 1968 when I was at Fort Belvoir.



 

[dfwgator]

/snicker

No.  It has to do with every republican getting tarred and feathered with the Trump brush.

Yes, because Republicans were doing so well before Trump came along. /s

[Jazzhead]

Perhaps.  But the dems will now have unfettered rein to remake the country in their ersatz socialist mood.

Heck, we've had unfettered reign to remake the country these last eleven months,  and haven't done much of anything.

A determined and united minority can frustrate the majority.   I give the Dems credit for being perfect, uncompromising obstructionists.    Maybe we'll have the opportunity in a couple of years to return the favor.   

[Frank Cannon]

/snicker

No.  It has to do with every republican getting tarred and feathered with the Trump brush.

Really? Most of the ads I watched on that race kept bringing up Christie Creme, the most hated gov in the US. I also bet you think it was a brilliant idea to run a candidate from the government of the most hated gov in the US too.

[KingsX]

Deservedly so.

The GOP has killed itself - and.... good riddance.

The Whigs will finally have some well-deserved company.

The LYING GOP's tax fiasco is a nail in the coffin.
I'm never voting GOP again.

[dfwgator]

And say what you will about Trump, but he energized a lot of people more than any other Republican could, by far.


But outside of Trump, who is there in the GOP that is capable of energizing anyone?    The Democrats are going to be plenty energized for 2018,  and that's how they always are when they don't have the White House,  doesn't matter if it's Trump, or Bush, or whomever. That's just facts.

[Frank Cannon]

The LYING GOP's tax fiasco is a nail in the coffin.
I'm never voting GOP again.

LOL. No one believes you ever voted GOP in your life. You're just fooling yourself thinking you are pulling shit over on people here.

[musiclady]

Yes, because Republicans were doing so well before Trump came along. /s

Better than they are now......

The Dem party, moribund because of Obama, is reviving.

[Cyber Liberty]

The LYING GOP's tax fiasco is a nail in the coffin.
I'm never voting GOP again.

I have a hard time believing you ever voted GOP.

I was reading an analysis of the House tax plan in IBD this morning, and it supports a lot of what you've been saying, especially about the failure to index for inflation.  But you are going to have a very difficult time trying to get other TBR members to consider your evaluation of that aspect of it when you keep using the line, "Tax cuts for the rich" and "oligarchs" in your every comment.

I think you have good points, but you are ruining them by couching them in Democrat class-warfare terminology.

[musiclady]

LOL. No one believes you ever voted GOP in your life. You're just fooling yourself thinking you are pulling shit over on people here.

I'm not even sure she's fooling herself.

Loyal party Dem, that one.

[dfwgator]

Better than they are now......

The Dem party, moribund because of Obama, is reviving.

How is winning in a state that Hillary won comfortably "reviving"?

[musiclady]

How is winning in a state that Hillary won comfortably "reviving"?

If you don't realize that the Dem party is energized because of Trump, you haven't been paying attention.

[dfwgator]

If you don't realize that the Dem party is energized because of Trump, you haven't been paying attention.

They are always "energized" when they aren't in the White House, no different than with Bush. 

Loser Santorum blames Virginia on Trump, but he forgets he lost his Senate re-election bid by 17% back in 2006.  In a State that Trump won.

[GrouchoTex]

Which party is most likely to reduce the amount of government workers?

Honestly, nethier one of them, but the perception is that the Republicans would be that party.
A lot of government workers live in No. Virginia, and as long as there are government employees voting there, they will vote to keep their jobs.
I don't expect VA. to ever go red in a statewide or national election for a long time to come, although it has happened in the no too distant past.

[dfwgator]

If you don't realize that the Dem party is energized because of Trump, you haven't been paying attention.

And a frickin' Tranny got elected to the State Legislature.   That's just Republican voters being plain lazy and unenergized.    Milquetoasts, like Gillespie aren't going to get it done.

[KingsX]

LOL. No one believes you ever voted GOP in your life. You're just fooling yourself thinking you are pulling shit over on people here.

There you go again....

Not only do GOP leaders LIE when they say everyone will get a tax cut...
and their LYING media whores repeat that LYING  mantra... not only do
my own GOP congressman and senators ignore me when I call their offices
to point out how they will be increasing taxes on me and millions of others...
but when I post those facts here... on "gopbriefingroom".... posters here
attack me with MORE LIES !!

If there is justice in the universe the LYING GOP is going DOWN !!

[musiclady]

And a frickin' Tranny got elected to the State Legislature.   That's just Republican voters being plain lazy and unenergized.    Milquetoasts, like Gillespie aren't going to get it done.

The fact that a tranny got elected speaks more to my point than to yours.

The Dems are emboldened by Trump.   And more than likely, Republican voters' laziness is because of him too.

But keep thinking we all need to hug him tight, and the world will be all better if that makes you feel good.

[KingsX]

Just now FOX business news was again touting the LYING GOP tax plan.
They were pointing out how high the stock market has risen since Trump
and his tax cuts for the rich were elected.  Dow up 28%,  Nasdaq up 30%.
They were singing their "happy days are here again" mantra... not realizing
that what goes up in record time can also come down in record time.

[musiclady]

They are always "energized" when they aren't in the White House, no different than with Bush. 

Loser Santorum blames Virginia on Trump, but he forgets he lost his Senate re-election bid by 17% back in 2006.  In a State that Trump won.

Until Iraq went south and the Republicans turned tail and ran, the Republican party did GREAT under Bush.

Like it or not, like HIM or not, Bush had great influence on the Republican successes in both 2002 and 2004.

That is clearly not happening with dear Leader Donald.....

[Cyber Liberty]

Just now FOX business news was again touting the LYING GOP tax plan.
They were pointing out how high the stock market has risen since Trump
and his tax cuts for the rich were elected.  Dow up 28%,  Nasdaq up 30%.
They were singing their "happy days are here again" mantra... not realizing
that what goes up in record time can also come down in record time.

Well, it's pretty obvious to me you didn't read my last post to you.  I give up...you're on your own.

[KingsX]

If the GOP did not want people calling their tax fiasco a 'tax cut for the rich' why did they propose one ?

Why did the GOP  lower tax rates on the rich while increasing the tax rate on the very poorest taxpayers [from 10% to 12%] ?

I have posted this before... and posters here respond with... "the rich pay more taxes"... but they never address the question... WHY did the GOP increase the tax rate on the poorest taxpayers ?

   How do you justify not just lowing taxes for the rich... but increasing taxes on others to pay for those tax cuts for the rich ??

I know you won't honestly answer those questions... you will just ignore or attack me.   

[Cyber Liberty]

If the GOP did not want people calling their tax fiasco a 'tax cut for the rich' why did they propose one ?

...snip...

I know you won't honestly answer those questions... you will just ignore or attack me.

When you ask unbalanced questions that way, you are correct.  "When did you stop beating your wife?"  I will not answer them.  It's no excuse for using Democrat/Socialist lingo in making your point.

In fact, the analysis I read said there were no "tax breaks for the rich," the problem was there weren't tax breaks for anybody.  So you see, you ask a dishonest question, you do it all the time, and you should not be surprised when you get snarky comments in return.  My conclusion:  You are either 13 years old, or you are a leftist troll.

[KingsX]

When candidate Trump first proposed tax reform, he touted  $25,000 single/$50,000 married standard deductions, his lowest tax rate remained at 10% [while the income bracket for that 10% greatly increased] and a 15% business tax rate.  That was when I first paid attention to the possibility that Trump's "tax reform" might be a good thing.

But that was only the BAIT and it has long since bit the dust.

Now we have the GOP SWITCH, a Frankenstein tax monster that hurts many poor and middle-class taxpayers and will destroy its own GOP creators.

[musiclady]

       

[KingsX]

When you ask unbalanced questions.... 

It's not my questions [most of whom you deleted in your  response] that is unbalanced.

[Cyber Liberty]

It's not my questions [most of whom you deleted in your  response] that is unbalanced.

OK, whatever you say.  I was trying to help you out by making an example of that particular question, your questions are lies in the form of questions so I refused to address them, no matter how many times you ask.

Besides, you don't answer questions either, so talking to you is usually a complete waste of time. 

[KingsX]

I'd have more respect for GOP leaders if they would just tell it like it is...
that they want major tax cuts for the rich elite and want to increase taxes
 on the poor and middle class to help pay for it.  But instead of telling the
people to "eat cake", GOP leaders LIE by saying they're giving away bread
to everyone.  Such boldface LIES will bring down the whole house of cards
and everyone will be "eating cake" unless Madame Guillotine says otherwise.

[Oceander]

Really? Most of the ads I watched on that race kept bringing up Christie Creme, the most hated gov in the US. I also bet you think it was a brilliant idea to run a candidate from the government of the most hated gov in the US too.

Now you’re just confusing NY and NJ. 

I’m talking about NY.  I don’t give a rats patootie about NJ. 

[Gefn]

Now you’re just confusing NY and NJ. 

I’m talking about NY.  I don’t give a rats patootie about NJ.

Hey! @Oceander

I thought we were friends! :(

Just giving you a hard time .... I know I'm one of the few things you like about NJ. Me and Lady LIberty, well, part of her.

[jmyrlefuller]

Well, I doubt it hurt that much, either. Mangano was a crook, and the state legislature where Martins came from is full of crooks. So already the GOP had two strikes against it.

[Oceander]

Well, I doubt it hurt that much, either. Mangano was a crook, and the state legislature where Martins came from is full of crooks. So already the GOP had two strikes against it.

So trump was, at his very best, merely ineffective?

[Free Vulcan]

Then how would we explain losing Congress in '06? W was a civil statesman, yet that didn't stop the media from a full blown assault on everything he said, and the leftists yelling 'ChimpyBushHitler' at the top of their lungs.

Same for Reagan. Same for Gingrich. Doesn't matter what they say or do, the media response is the same.

So why are we angsting like a bunch of catty jr. high cheerleaders over tweets and some roughness, when the result will be the same?

If anything, Trump's rhetoric has kept the media busy, while he's used Executive Orders to undo Obama. Actions. How tizzied am I supposed to get over words when there's someone that will actually do something, doing something?

[Oceander]

Whatever. Clearly, denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.  Trump is NOT helping things, he’s making things worse. 

[INVAR]

Then how would we explain losing Congress in '06?

Nearly the same exact reason they are going to lose their asses in '18.

They are not called the Stupid party for nothing you know.

Spending like drunken sailors and enacting the Democrat agenda is not going to endear anyone to come out to vote for anyone running in the GOP.

The 'we have to stop the greater evil with lesser evil' is not going to work anymore, that card has been worn out.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Then how would we explain losing Congress in '06? W was a civil statesman, yet that didn't stop the media from a full blown assault on everything he said, and the leftists yelling 'ChimpyBushHitler' at the top of their lungs.

Same for Reagan. Same for Gingrich. Doesn't matter what they say or do, the media response is the same.

So why are we angsting like a bunch of catty jr. high cheerleaders over tweets and some roughness, when the result will be the same?

If anything, Trump's rhetoric has kept the media busy, while he's used Executive Orders to undo Obama. Actions. How tizzied am I supposed to get over words when there's someone that will actually do something, doing something?

I have to agree.

Trump is at least doing something.

IMO Congress will be in GOP control for a year more and that's it, and we simply have not a single thing to show for it.

[Oceander]

Then how would we explain losing Congress in '06? W was a civil statesman, yet that didn't stop the media from a full blown assault on everything he said, and the leftists yelling 'ChimpyBushHitler' at the top of their lungs.

Same for Reagan. Same for Gingrich. Doesn't matter what they say or do, the media response is the same.

So why are we angsting like a bunch of catty jr. high cheerleaders over tweets and some roughness, when the result will be the same?

If anything, Trump's rhetoric has kept the media busy, while he's used Executive Orders to undo Obama. Actions. How tizzied am I supposed to get over words when there's someone that will actually do something, doing something?

He’s undone precious little of what Obama did, and what Trump has done by EO can just as easily be undone by the next democrat president. 

He has also done incalculable damage to the power of the presidency over things like immigration with his ill-advised twitter outbursts and anti-immigrant rhetoric providing fodder to justify courts finding the ability to restrict immigration policies on the basis of the president’s racism. 

When all is said and done I very much doubt if the few conservative achievements he can claim will be worth the cost of all the damage he’s done.

[DB]

The "build the wall", "deport illegals" and "repeal Obamacare" are not going to work again. Republicans have burnt those bridges. And the bridge of "tax reform" is on fire.

Trump has no clue on how to organize and pursue policy moving congress towards his goals.

My point about Trump all along was there was going to be essentially no Republican party by the time Trump is done. A Republican party Trump was never invested in in the first place. Republicans burnt their own house down from the inside out...

[INVAR]

The "build the wall", "deport illegals" and "repeal Obamacare" are not going to work again. Republicans have burnt those bridges. And the bridge of "tax reform" is on fire.

Trump has no clue on how to organize and pursue policy moving congress towards his goals.

My point about Trump all along was there was going to be essentially no Republican party by the time Trump is done. A Republican party Trump was never invested in in the first place. Republicans burnt their own house down from the inside out...

Perfectly stated.

And deservedly so.  Conservatives need to abandon that doomed party now and get busy with an alternative that is not corrupted by DC.