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If that's true, then you already have the tools at your disposal you say you should have.  The FCC needs to be pressured to do their job.


But NOOOOOO!!!!!! We can't have *GOVERNMENT*  interfering with "Freedom of Speech"  even if it's lies!!!!!!   


We must have totally unregulated unfettered "creativity"  in the news media no matter how much destruction and death it visits on the country!   


Only Fascists think the government has any business censoring the news or requiring "fairness." 


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But NOOOOOO!!!!!! We can't have *GOVERNMENT*  interfering with "Freedom of Speech"  even if it's lies!!!!!!   


We must have totally unregulated unfettered "creativity"  in the news media no matter how much destruction and death it visits on the country!   


Only Fascists think the government has any business censoring the news or requiring "fairness."


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Well thank you.   I think,  I philosophize,  and I solve problems.   I'm glad to see my input is appreciated.

Not just appreciated, but awestruck by it! Your clarity of thought is admirable. And then getting it all on page as quickly as you do. Say you don’t have newsroom in your background, do you?

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REALLY? That makes the dreadful mistake of concatenating Conservatism with Republicans.
Bad idea.



The perfect is the enemy of the good.   If conservatives cannot influence or even control a party,  then they don't deserve representation.   


Requiring broadcasting employees to be hired out of a pool of designated Republicans would move the coverage to the right by a lot of percentage points,  even if they were of the "libertarian" variety.   

Can you imagine if half of the news anchors were like John Stossel? 


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The perfect is the enemy of the good.   



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If conservatives cannot influence or even control a party,  then they don't deserve representation.   

But, but, butt... that's not FAIR!!!

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Requiring broadcasting employees to be hired out of a pool of designated Republicans would move the coverage to the right by a lot of percentage points,  even if they were of the "libertarian" variety.   

Can you imagine if half of the news anchors were like John Stossel? 

And requiring bakers to hire homosexuals would certainly stop that nasty cake problem!

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I don't want "creativity"  in the news.  I want droll boring recitation of facts that don't get interpreted "creatively"  by left wing partisans with a world view they are trying to sell.   


"Creativity" in the news makes it not news,  it makes it "Propaganda."   "News"  does not require "creativity."   


I also don't want "creativity"  in deciding that certain news injurious to the party of government isn't fit to broadcast.   I want news that has a potential of informing the public on salient issues to be put before them without "creatively"  censoring the content.   






When the baker has to get a government license for a monopolized cake baking industry,   I will argue we need to let everyone bake cakes.     

Everyone with a license is part of a cartel that promotes only one type of cake.   There is no potential to go to any other broadcaster for a different type of cake,  you will only get the Liberal approved cake,  and you won't get any other.   

Hey, I don't want creativity in the news either but it came about by the 24 hour news stations.  They cannot simply broadcast news all day and night.

So, they come up with gimmicks, all of which I despise.  I hate Outnumbered and The Five and all those panel shows where people just screech at each other.

But as long as they fit a few news shows in, I can just limit my viewing to them.
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The perfect is the enemy of the good.   If conservatives cannot influence or even control a party,  then they don't deserve representation.   


Requiring broadcasting employees to be hired out of a pool of designated Republicans would move the coverage to the right by a lot of percentage points,  even if they were of the "libertarian" variety.   

Can you imagine if half of the news anchors were like John Stossel? 



That would be wonderful.  Even the men on the conservative side are better looking.
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But, but, butt... that's not FAIR!!!

And requiring bakers to hire homosexuals would certainly stop that nasty cake problem!

Here are a few truisms that are scorned by some here.

The perfect IS the enemy of the good.

And Trump IS better than Hillary.
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The perfect IS the enemy of the good.

And the good is the enemy of the good enough...
Zackly how far down that rabbit hole do you want to go FALL?

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And Trump IS better than Hillary.

That is yet to be determined.
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Only Fascists think the government has any business censoring the news or requiring "fairness."

I don't know if you're trying be sarcastic or something, but that's been my point.  The solution to Big Government interference is less interference, not more.  I'm getting the impression you don't want Big Government out of it, you just want to be the side pushing the buttons and working the levers.  Not a very admirable character trait.
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Back to my previous comment.  This is just another twitter bitch session that accomplishes nothing other than making Trump look like an ignoramus to anyone who has even a mediocre interest in conservative, small government.  But hey, as long as it gets his WWE base riled up, twitter on!

Okay, above I have the right quote.

Those links I provided you refuted your asinine assertion in bold, I wasn’t changing the subject at all.

You made a dumb statement about conservatives and small government and I proved you wrong. Wrong about Donald Trump and small government. I was documenting his actions in office as opposed to your opinion.

Donald Trump’s actions are those of a conservative. His mouth may be that of a construction worker but that’s okay with me. His heart more than makes up for it.

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Okay, above I have the right quote.

Those links I provided you refuted your asinine assertion in bold, I wasn’t changing the subject at all.

You made a dumb statement about conservatives and small government and I proved you wrong. Wrong about Donald Trump and small government. I was documenting his actions in office as opposed to your opinion.

Donald Trump’s actions are those of a conservative. His mouth may be that of a construction worker but that’s okay with me. His heart more than makes up for it.

And you are repeating your dumb statement that doesn't take into account the "twitter bitch session that accomplishes nothing".  FFS, can we move on now?

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And the good is the enemy of the good enough...
Zackly how far down that rabbit hole do you want to go FALL?

That is yet to be determined.

Well, Rand Paul is a good example of holding out for the perfect.  He's a good guy who has accomplished nothing.  When Trump signed the order helping people with obamacare burdens, a thing that Rand Paul had suggested, he would not even look at Trump, blatantly ignoring him.  The truth is they ignored each other but if Rand hadn't turned away, Trump would have shaken his hand.
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Can you imagine if half of the news anchors were like John Stossel? 

What? Deaf in one ear because they ask stupid questions?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0q44ALM7jo

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And you are repeating your dumb statement that doesn't take into account the "twitter bitch session that accomplishes nothing".  FFS, can we move on now?

I see. So now it’s “stay on topic.” What, no photos of ancient washing machines with which to enlighten us?

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Well, Rand Paul is a good example of holding out for the perfect.  He's a good guy who has accomplished nothing. 

What exactly do you base that particular piece of bullshit on?
His ACU rating is way up there - high 90's. That's based upon actual votes.
Even with his more libertarian bend, he has been predictably Conservative.

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When Trump signed the order helping people with obamacare burdens, a thing that Rand Paul had suggested, he would not even look at Trump, blatantly ignoring him.  The truth is they ignored each other but if Rand hadn't turned away, Trump would have shaken his hand.

Paul gave him credit (praise, even) for the 'insurance across state lines' thing, and claimed he worked closely with Tump on that EO. So what's your bitch?

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I see. So now it’s “stay on topic.” What, no photos of ancient washing machines with which to enlighten us?

Yeah, let me see if I can hack in to @Frank Cannon facebook again and find a picture of his mom.

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I see. So now it’s “stay on topic.” What, no photos of ancient washing machines with which to enlighten us?

I'd rather look at vintage washing machines than any more of your GD harpy bullshit posts. You have been going on all day posting nonsensical shit non stop. Don't you have an effing job or a life?

I had time to collect a rent check from a deadbeat, chat with my accountant in his office and drop off a case of beer to my employees in the last hour or two. You on the other hand crank on hour after hour on the computer because you have hate for an inanimate object, that being words printed on a computer screen by a weirdly named poster.

Shut down your computer, join the real world and get an effing clue.

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What? Deaf in one ear because they ask stupid questions?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0q44ALM7jo

Are you suggesting that all of Stossel’s questions are stupid?

Let’s put it to you this way. Did I just ask a stupid question?

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Are you suggesting that all of Stossel’s questions are stupid?

Let’s put it to you this way. Did I just ask a stupid question?

Stossel is a fake loser. He rails against frivolous lawsuits when he was the generator of one of the biggest in the 80's.

He can screw.

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What? Deaf in one ear because they ask stupid questions?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0q44ALM7jo

C'mon, Frank.  Jealousy is beneath you.
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I'd rather look at vintage washing machines than any more of your GD harpy bullshit posts. You have been going on all day posting nonsensical shit non stop. Don't you have an effing job or a life?

I had time to collect a rent check from a deadbeat, chat with my accountant in his office and drop off a case of beer to my employees in the last hour or two. You on the other hand crank on hour after hour on the computer because you have hate for an inanimate object, that being words printed on a computer screen by a weirdly named poster.

Shut down your computer, join the real world and get an effing clue.

I don't have a weird name.

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I'd rather look at vintage washing machines than any more of your GD harpy bullshit posts. You have been going on all day posting nonsensical shit non stop. Don't you have an effing job or a life?

I had time to collect a rent check from a deadbeat, chat with my accountant in his office and drop off a case of beer to my employees in the last hour or two. You on the other hand crank on hour after hour on the computer because you have hate for an inanimate object, that being words printed on a computer screen by a weirdly named poster.

Shut down your computer, join the real world and get an effing clue.

Wow, Frank.

That's a post that fits in with the worst at TOS.


Having a bad day?? 
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Trump is arguably the first since Gingrich to fight back, and when that happens we defeat them. When we don't we lose, like W did in '06. Reality is Dems have only controlled the WH and Congress at the same time 4 years of the last 25 and the GOP hasn't been much of an adversary for most of that.


I saw George W roll over and play dead back in the runup to 2006.   I saw the media harping about something at the time,  I forget now what it was,  but I remember at the time that it was designed to get Democrats elected.   

No pushback from Bush.  No pushback from  his Father either.   I saw it coming in both 1992 and 2006. 

   

Clinton and Obama both lost their congressional majorities they started with. Bush lost his because he put up no fight whatsoever, and still held it 6 years.


Exactly.  Both Clinton and Obama horrified the public who then elected Republicans to hold them in check.  Bush just let the media say all sorts of nasty things about him,  and the media ginned up a false outrage against him,  which of course resulted in Democrats taking back congress.   (Was it the Housing loan meltdown crises they were blaming on Bush?) 


 


Their censorship hasn't seemed to help their cause.


I completely disagree with that statement.   If I sat down and spent a few hours looking up the details,  I bet I could find dozens of examples where media censorship of news benefited Democrats.

The housing Crises for example.   It was caused indirectly by Jimmy Carter (yes,  his legacy of stupidity has lingered on long past his presidency)  Directly by Bill Clinton,  and allowed by people like Barney Frank And Chris Dodd.   

The media did not report who caused it and why,  they didn't report how prominent Democrats in congress enabled it to get so bad,   and they did in fact blame it on George W Bush who tried to prevent it but was prevented by Democrats in congress.   

As a result,  they won a majority in Congress as a prelude to that butthole Obama getting elected.   


You don't think censoring the truth helped them and hurt the country?   

What about Benghazi?  What about Fast and Furious?   What about Lois Lerner targeting Republicans?  I could go on and on and on. 


They have always kept the truth about abortion off the networks.  They have always kept the truth about homosexuality off the networks.   They have always kept the racial disparity in crime statistics off the networks.   They never cover the socialist experiment in Venezuela in the manner it deserves by linking it to socialism/communism.    They always play this game of "Name the party"  whenever a Democrat has done something wrong or illegal,  though they are always quite prominent in pointing out any Republican affiliation,  especially if they can find a "RACIST!" angle to pin on it.   


Censoring the news is how they do the *MOST* damage,   but it is not always evident that the damage has occurred as a result of them censoring the news at the time.   




 


While they are big players, the internet is just too big for them to control it. Their political effect is pretty muted.



They seem to be doing a pretty fair job of it now.   Every other day I read about someone they have kicked off of one of the major platforms out there.   Google is always demonitizing people for political reasons.   


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I'd rather look at vintage washing machines than any more of your GD harpy bullshit posts. You have been going on all day posting nonsensical shit non stop. Don't you have an effing job or a life?

I had time to collect a rent check from a deadbeat, chat with my accountant in his office and drop off a case of beer to my employees in the last hour or two. You on the other hand crank on hour after hour on the computer because you have hate for an inanimate object, that being words printed on a computer screen by a weirdly named poster.

Shut down your computer, join the real world and get an effing clue.


Thanks much for your suggestion. I’ll take that under advisement. If I’d known you were this touchy about your grandmas machine I would have employed better judgment in posting. While I’ve got you on the line, is there anything else you’d like to talk about? Maybe about that time you sneaked into your sisters room to try on a few frilly bras, no?

Well, I’m here whenever you need me.

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I had something to say, but upon reading this I've decided it would be lost on you.


It no doubt had something to do with asserting that the status quo of one sided control of the airwaves somehow protects freedom of speech,  when in fact it does the very opposite of that. 


Speech is controlled.  If you are not a member of the "Party of Government"  clique,   you don't get to communicate will millions of people at a time.    You can engage in conversations with the 10 or so people who read your scribblings on the internet,  but you won't be allowed to have any real influence at telling the people anything the Crony Capitalist Deep State doesn't want them to hear. 

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I don't have a weird name.

Yes you do. I can't decide if you had a Underoos fetish or if you misspelled "rouse" by mistake when you signed up here.


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Conservatives are not.


You wouldn't think they would be,  because locking in a lopsided balance of power is exactly how you lose,  but I am not hearing any ideas on how to address the problem. 


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Well, I’m here whenever you need me.

Of course you are. You have nowhere else to go.

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Not just appreciated, but awestruck by it! Your clarity of thought is admirable. And then getting it all on page as quickly as you do. Say you don’t have newsroom in your background, do you?


No,  but i've been arguing on the internet for about 30 years.  :) 

And thank you too.   What I write seems clear to me,   but by the time it is regurgitated back at me by my debate opponents,  it is all garbled up into something I don't recognize.   


I am apparently not being clear enough.  :) 

 
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And requiring bakers to hire homosexuals would certainly stop that nasty cake problem!


As I told Cyber Liberty,   if the government was creating a monopoly on the cake baking industry,   you would have a good argument that the licensed bakers should be required to serve all interests. 


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Yes you do. I can't decide if you had a Underoos fetish or if you misspelled "rouse" by mistake when you signed up here.



Mine were WonderWoman.

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Hey, I don't want creativity in the news either but it came about by the 24 hour news stations.  They cannot simply broadcast news all day and night.



It's been a long time,   but I seem to remember back in the 1980s that there was a news station that did only the news.  It was an endless rehash of the news that was updated every hour or so as necessary.   


Was it CNN?   


It seemed professional and it didn't seem biased in any manner that I could perceive at the time,  but of course back then I didn't  look for any.   I naively thought like everyone else that the "news"  people were objective and just reported the facts.   

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Mine were WonderWoman.


Must be when you started developing your skills with a rope.


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Must be when you started developing your skills with a rope.


You never know what's going to lead to an interesting hobby.

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I don't know if you're trying be sarcastic or something, but that's been my point.  The solution to Big Government interference is less interference, not more.  I'm getting the impression you don't want Big Government out of it, you just want to be the side pushing the buttons and working the levers.  Not a very admirable character trait.


No,  my point is big government is already in it,  and is in fact inseparable from it because the licenses which created the monopoly were the creation of Big Government. 


So long as big government creates the beast,  we will have big government to deal with for any attempts to constrain the beast. 


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It no doubt had something to do with asserting that the status quo of one sided control of the airwaves somehow protects freedom of speech,  when in fact it does the very opposite of that. 


Speech is controlled.  If you are not a member of the "Party of Government"  clique,   you don't get to communicate will millions of people at a time.    You can engage in conversations with the 10 or so people who read your scribblings on the internet,  but you won't be allowed to have any real influence at telling the people anything the Crony Capitalist Deep State doesn't want them to hear.

No, I did say what was on my mind, it was nothing like the words you just tried to cram in my mouth.  I'd ask you to scroll up to see it, but I already know it would be lost on you.
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Stossel is a fake loser. He rails against frivolous lawsuits when he was the generator of one of the biggest in the 80's.

He can screw.


You must have seen a side of John Stossel of which I have so far been unaware.   

I remember seeing the stories he used to do on ABC,  and they were great.   I can't remember anyone doing stories from  a libertarian perspective before,  let alone a conservative one. 


What exactly did John Stossel do in the 80s to which you object? 
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No, I did say what was on my mind, it was nothing like the words you just tried to cram in my mouth. 


No you didn't say that,   but that is the inherent nature or consequence of what you did say.   


We have a system of government approved monopolies that are contrary to the purpose for which Freedom of Speech was incorporated and articulated in the US Constitution.   


People think it is about "Lèse-majesté",   but it is far more important than that.   The public's interest cannot be served if the perspective of all sides are not heard.   




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Thanks much for your suggestion. I’ll take that under advisement. If I’d known you were this touchy about your grandmas machine I would have employed better judgment in posting. While I’ve got you on the line, is there anything else you’d like to talk about? Maybe about that time you sneaked into your sisters room to try on a few frilly bras, no?

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Know what?  I'm bored with this thread.  Deathly bored.  I know it's bad because I've been reviewing it, and the most interesting stuff over the last dozen or so pages were the pictures of antique washing machines.

The arguments have gotten so stale, people are bickering with their own selves.

For the crime of being boring, I am hereby locking this thread.
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We sent Mod1 home for drinking on the job.  You are all welcome to continue being boring to your heart's content.

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We sent Mod1 home for drinking on the job.  You are all welcome to continue being boring to your heart's content.

Damn funny!  Who knew there was a MOD8  :shrug:

I always thought it was like a Defcon rating.

Anyways, I have not read a single post in this tread until now...made my day. Kudos..MOD8 . Sometimes the best is the last... I'll take your review to save me some hours of tediation.

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We sent Mod1 home for drinking on the job.  You are all welcome to continue being boring to your heart's content.


I think the moment is past. 
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What exactly did John Stossel do in the 80s to which you object?

Asked a wrestler a bunch of insulting questions to elicit a violent response for the cameras. After he succeded in that and got knocked on his ass Stossel set about suing the wrestler in a multi million dollar frivolous lawsuit. He ended up getting $450K. Then when his career is in the shitter he re-brands himself as some sort of Libertarian crusader after being the ultra Left guy on 20/20 and sets about calling for tort reform because lawsuits like his one in the 80's are clogging the system.

He is a proven fraud. Feel free to cozy up to him all you like. I'm far more discerning.

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We sent Mod1 home for drinking on the job.  You are all welcome to continue being boring to your heart's content.

MOD 1 deserves a medal for reading some of this crap.  He could have heard more sophisticated banter by going to the seediest bar in town at closing time and edging over to the drunk couple.
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I think the moment is past.

Dead and buried.  Shouldn't have been resurrected.  Now a Zombie Thread.
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It's like deja vu.

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