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There are like 4 or 5 conservative media news outlets on cable these days. Don't be stupid.
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These aren't mistakes or a difference in opinion.  These are out and out lies.

Says who? Of course Trump says they are lies. How many lies has Trump been in caught telling over the years?  More than I can count. If this is a lie, then it should be provable as a lie.  Otherwise it is just Trump being Trump.

However, a US President threatening to punish the press using the power of a government agency under his control, over reporting that is unfavorable to him is more than a bit disturbing. It is damn right scary.

And it sets a very bad precedent that wouldn't be easy to turn back. 

Some of you think it is a good idea when it’s your guy subverting the Constitution.  When the next democrat gets in office you will be signing the exact opposite tune no doubt.

Hell Obama said things critical of Fox and their reporting (to be more precise – I think it was more their opinion and editorial content) but I don’t recall Obama ever threatening to sic the FCC on them the way Trump has. 

FWIW, somewhere Richard Nixon is thinking, “Damn! All I had to do was call Watergate “fake news” and threaten to shut down the Washington Post?”
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Since no one bothered to read the link I provided, here's a quote from it.

And there is more, direct quotes to Reuters that he does indeed thing the US nuke arsenal should be expanded.  So now he is lying about saying that he said such a thing, and using that lie to threaten NBC.

Instead of trying to stifle freedom of the press, perhaps Trump supporters should look for evidence that Trump didn't advocate for such an increase in the nuclear arsenal -- that is, whether the NBC report is really a lie or the truth.  Just because Trump is accusing NBC of putting out a false report doesn't mean the report is indeed false.   

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You will hear from me that it doesn't go nearly far enough.   We need to be bringing whatever weapon to bear that we are able against  the media-weapon that has been f***ing up the country since at least Nixon/Kennedy.   

They are the propaganda corps of the New York/Washington Establishment,  and we need to force control of them out of the hands of Liberal agents.

Sorry, but I will not go for putting them out of business.  Dictators do that.  This country is not a dictatorship...yet.

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These aren't mistakes or a difference in opinion.  These are out and out lies.


And out and out censorship of information damaging to Democrats.   
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I think we all get First Amendment rights ... however, defamation of character is quite another issue; especially purposefully lying about the actions and comments about the President of the U.S.


Lying through a trillion dollar broadcasting system is a deliberate attempt to manipulate elections,  and this deprives us of "consent." 

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As much as I'd like to hammer these guys, I'm not sure the gain is worth the risk. The MSM is declining and only seems to have influence with our scared GOP congress people.

Other than that most people today get their news from the internet. The horse is already long out the barn door.
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Sorry, but I will not go for putting them out of business.  Dictators do that.  This country is not a dictatorship...yet.

Trump sycophants want to turn it into one. They're more anti-liberty than democrats.

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He's a public figure. Is Trump such a whining bleep that he needs the government to intervene?


The Economy is a shambles under George HW Bush.   "It's the economy stupid!"   


1992 was the year the media-weapon stole an election from us by lying to US population at large. 




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The biggest scandal this year (Imran Awan)  and I haven't heard a f***ing word from the New York/Washington controlled media-weapon. 


The media-weapon is the tool of the deep state,   and it will not be used against it's own.

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Nothing will come of this just like basically nothing has come of any of the crap Trump tweets about (NFL excepting).
Trump is extremely successful in bypassing the liberal media in his tweets.  It is unfiltered, which the media hates (and sometimes gets him in trouble).  It is the only way a non-liberal President can get his message out past the liberal media.
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Says who? Of course Trump says they are lies. How many lies has Trump been in caught telling over the years?  More than I can count. If this is a lie, then it should be provable as a lie.  Otherwise it is just Trump being Trump.

However, a US President threatening to punish the press using the power of a government agency under his control, over reporting that is unfavorable to him is more than a bit disturbing. It is damn right scary.

And it sets a very bad precedent that wouldn't be easy to turn back. 

Some of you think it is a good idea when it’s your guy subverting the Constitution.  When the next democrat gets in office you will be signing the exact opposite tune no doubt.

Hell Obama said things critical of Fox and their reporting (to be more precise – I think it was more their opinion and editorial content) but I don’t recall Obama ever threatening to sic the FCC on them the way Trump has. 

FWIW, somewhere Richard Nixon is thinking, “Damn! All I had to do was call Watergate “fake news” and threaten to shut down the Washington Post?”

Relax.  There is no way that Trump can shut down any part of the media.  He's just venting.

And, by the way, Obama nor The Clinton's have no reason to threaten the media.  The media constantly flattered them, covered for them and fawned over them.

But a lot of people are shutting down the media as individuals by not watching or subscribing or reading leftist press.
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And out and out censorship of information damaging to Democrats.


So basically you want censorship.
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So basically you want censorship.

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So basically you're ok with censorship that benefits the leftists.


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Trump is extremely successful in bypassing the liberal media in his tweets.  It is unfiltered, which the media hates (and sometimes gets him in trouble).  It is the only way a non-liberal President can get his message out past the liberal media.

I kinda agree.  I cannot recall a president ever being attacked so blatantly by the press.

I only wish Trump would get an editor for his tweets.  The points could be made in a more presidential manner.
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So basically you're ok with censorship that benefits the leftists.


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I want no censorship.
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Instead of trying to stifle freedom of the press, perhaps Trump supporters should look for evidence that Trump didn't advocate for such an increase in the nuclear arsenal -- that is, whether the NBC report is really a lie or the truth.  Just because Trump is accusing NBC of putting out a false report doesn't mean the report is indeed false.

Saying that Trump and supporters are trying to stifle the press is just plain garbage; rather they are trying to stop false reporting. You are right, just because Trump is making accusations doesn't make them so,  but in the same light the news stories that NBC and most of the MSM are reporting doesn't mean that what they are reporting is accurate. They are no longer journalist striving to report the news accurately and without bias; they are a bunch of reporters who relay news in such a way as to sway their leftist viewpoints and agenda.

Nope.  I've never been a Trump supporter, yet I certainly can see the media circus that continues and the circus inside the halls of Congress is just as bad. I still believe Trump to be a narcissist with liberal tendencies....that's who he is.  I think he has displayed some very admirable patriotism and currently believe he has done some good and I still am darn thankful we don't have Clinton and after 8 years of Bammy, Trump is a breath of fresh air.

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Saying that Trump and supporters are trying to stifle the press is just plain garbage; rather they are trying to stop false reporting. You are right, just because Trump is making accusations doesn't make them so,  but in the same light the news stories that NBC and most of the MSM are reporting doesn't mean that what they are reporting is accurate. They are no longer journalist striving to report the news accurately and without bias; they are a bunch of reporters who relay news in such a way as to sway their leftist viewpoints and agenda.

Nope.  I've never been a Trump supporter, yet I certainly can see the media circus that continues and the circus inside the halls of Congress is just as bad. I still believe Trump to be a narcissist with liberal tendencies....that's who he is.  I think he has displayed some very admirable patriotism and currently believe he has done some good and I still am darn thankful we don't have Clinton and after 8 years of Bammy, Trump is a breath of fresh air.

I've already posted a link with a direct interview between Reuters and Trump where he says he wants to increase the US Nuke arsenal.  Are you still going to believe that in this case the media is lying?

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Instead of trying to stifle freedom of the press, perhaps Trump supporters should look for evidence that Trump didn't advocate for such an increase in the nuclear arsenal -- that is, whether the NBC report is really a lie or the truth.  Just because Trump is accusing NBC of putting out a false report doesn't mean the report is indeed false.

Thank you for being one person that can pay attention.  ^-^

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I want no censorship.

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You already have censorship.  Censorship which is controlled by people who have openly stated they want to bring down America.  In many cases the decisions are being made by foreign nationals.

People who have no issue depriving you of any and all rights up  to and including your life.
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The Economy is a shambles under George HW Bush.   "It's the economy stupid!"   


1992 was the year the media-weapon stole an election from us by lying to US population at large.

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Says who? Of course Trump says they are lies. How many lies has Trump been in caught telling over the years?  More than I can count. If this is a lie, then it should be provable as a lie.  Otherwise it is just Trump being Trump.

However, a US President threatening to punish the press using the power of a government agency under his control, over reporting that is unfavorable to him is more than a bit disturbing. It is damn right scary.

And it sets a very bad precedent that wouldn't be easy to turn back. 

Some of you think it is a good idea when it’s your guy subverting the Constitution.  When the next democrat gets in office you will be signing the exact opposite tune no doubt.

Hell Obama said things critical of Fox and their reporting (to be more precise – I think it was more their opinion and editorial content) but I don’t recall Obama ever threatening to sic the FCC on them the way Trump has. 

FWIW, somewhere Richard Nixon is thinking, “Damn! All I had to do was call Watergate “fake news” and threaten to shut down the Washington Post?”

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Its not limited to this one issue.   The MSM lies all the time, they hide information all the time, they push their political agenda, ALL THE TIME
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Instead of trying to stifle freedom of the press, perhaps Trump supporters should look for evidence that Trump didn't advocate for such an increase in the nuclear arsenal -- that is, whether the NBC report is really a lie or the truth.  Just because Trump is accusing NBC of putting out a false report doesn't mean the report is indeed false.

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And what would that accomplish?  You NTs won't even listen but you expect the MSM to acknowledge their lies?   
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Saying that Trump and supporters are trying to stifle the press is just plain garbage; rather they are trying to stop false reporting. You are right, just because Trump is making accusations doesn't make them so,  but in the same light the news stories that NBC and most of the MSM are reporting doesn't mean that what they are reporting is accurate. They are no longer journalist striving to report the news accurately and without bias; they are a bunch of reporters who relay news in such a way as to sway their leftist viewpoints and agenda.

Nope.  I've never been a Trump supporter, yet I certainly can see the media circus that continues and the circus inside the halls of Congress is just as bad. I still believe Trump to be a narcissist with liberal tendencies....that's who he is.  I think he has displayed some very admirable patriotism and currently believe he has done some good and I still am darn thankful we don't have Clinton and after 8 years of Bammy, Trump is a breath of fresh air.

Me, too, libertybell.  By the way, some people get really ticked off if we say that Trump is better than Clinton.

They claim that this is a worn out excuse for defending Trump.  In fact, it is the honest truth.  Hillary would have continued in Obama's shoes and pushed the nation further into socialism, acceptance of illegals and a blind eye on terrorism.

I can't defend Trump on everything but I think he's been a decent president so far and accomplished a lot of goals in spite of being thwarted by Senate rinos.

I simply will not go down the road of attacking Trump based on his tweets.
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Saying that Trump and supporters are trying to stifle the press is just plain garbage; rather they are trying to stop false reporting. You are right, just because Trump is making accusations doesn't make them so,  but in the same light the news stories that NBC and most of the MSM are reporting doesn't mean that what they are reporting is accurate. They are no longer journalist striving to report the news accurately and without bias; they are a bunch of reporters who relay news in such a way as to sway their leftist viewpoints and agenda.


While I would lightly agree with the monopoly angle (which would really be hard to prove). The US government, especially the FED is not the watchdog and arbiter of truth.

Be VERY careful what you wish for, because the next Democrat controlled government may well be right around the corner. What is established today will be used later to clear the tables of Conservative sources.

The better solution is Conservative watchdogs in the press itself - Ben Shapiro style.
The shock in this election cycle was in finding out that the entirety of Conservative commentary was in the bag - From FOX, to Drudge, to Breitbart, to all of the talking heads.

The thing to do is establish new press leaders in the Conservative press, and quit paying attention to New York and LA.

But using the Federal government to exercise your will is a dire mistake, of monumental proportions.

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But using the Federal government to exercise your will is a dire mistake, of monumental proportions.

As it would be for just about everything in life.


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As it would be for just about everything in life.

That's right.

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I've already posted a link with a direct interview between Reuters and Trump where he says he wants to increase the US Nuke arsenal.  Are you still going to believe that in this case the media is lying?

I was merely pointing out that just because a news story is reported, no longer means that it is by any means accurate, nor does Trump calling news 'fake' necessarily mean that it is so.  There is no journalistic accuracy in reporting anymore, nor is the office of the presidency held in esteem anymore.  Both sides are guilty.

If we take a look back at the campaign that Trump ran, it was shameful and made a mockery out of the election process ... along the way his own party vowed to derail his presidency because their establishment candidates failed and the MSM has never stopped with their inaccuracy in reporting. The DEM party toppled on with their accusations of Russian collusion, etc., because their 'Queen' was never crowned.

Meanwhile, we have an entire country that has suffered under Bammy and Trump with all his faults, I believe is trying to make some headway in turning things around.

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Be VERY careful what you wish for, because the next Democrat controlled government may well be right around the corner. What is established today will be used later to clear the tables of Conservative sources.

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Well said..

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So you mean they might pick a guy who made a video and put all the blame on him.  Putting him in jail to hide their actions.

yeah I'd hate for that to happen
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Yes I have,  and one of the most important aspects of it is "Freedom of Speech. " 


That has been totally destroyed by monopoly control of all sources of broadcasting,  and it  undermines the very purpose for which the Founders incorporated "Freedom of Speech" into our constitution.   


The purpose is so that the public can hear both sides without suppression.   Well we have suppression.  We have censorship.  We have one party total control over the airwaves,  and as a consequence it has caused the public to make very bad decisions.   


It is our duty to insure freedom of speech.  We must stop liberal censorship of the airwaves.

Freedom of speech applies to and restricts the government.  It was not put into the Constitution so "that the public can hear both sides without suppression".

You've got to look at it in context:

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So you mean they might pick a guy who made a video and put all the blame on him.  Putting him in jail to hide their actions.

yeah I'd hate for that to happen

You fight it or counter it.. you too can use freedom of the press..you don't start pulling license's because you don't like what they say...this is what dictators do...
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No one is getting upset over unfavorable news stories. Some of us are rightly getting upset over misrepresented facts and material lies from our ‘trusted’ news sources.

Any old excuse you can find to justify tyranny huh?

Sad.
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You fight it or counter it.. you too can use freedom of the press..you don't start pulling license's because you don't like what they day...this is what dictators do...

That's right - And I might add, that we today, CAN. The press was just as liberal back in the day, where there was nothing but the big 3 and the AP.

The net has changed that in leaps and bounds.
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You fight it or counter it.. you too can use freedom of the press..you don't start pulling license's because you don't like what they day...this is what dictators do...

@mystery-ak that's what they want...a dictator of their own that they can be proud of.  Someone who doesn't care about the Constitution or rule of law...just someone who will extract payback and collect some revenge for them against the Left.

Never mind that the person they would be cheering while this is happening would be taking pages directly from the Liberal playbook they supposedly despise.

As long as he can get them the pound of flesh they demand...
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As much as I'd like to hammer these guys, I'm not sure the gain is worth the risk. The MSM is declining and only seems to have influence with our scared GOP congress people.

Other than that most people today get their news from the internet. The horse is already long out the barn door.

What "risk"?

As @DiogenesLamp eloquently spelled out, NBC, CNN, and others are censoring information that is very damaging to the DEM Party.

...and too many Hollywood 'stars' who remained silent knowing about his reputation and proclivities.

They do this for the sole reason of affecting elections and assisting the Left push their Agenda.

...robbing us of "Consent".

That is something, for which the American People would get behind a President.  And would it be 'Populist'?  Or Constitutionally mandated he do somthing about it?
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The Economy is a shambles under George HW Bush.   "It's the economy stupid!"   


1992 was the year the media-weapon stole an election from us by lying to US population at large.

Come on... please consider 12 years of the GOP, and along comes a face like Bubba.  It was 'Burnout' killed the GOP.   

The positive effects of the Reagan Economic model covered 25 years.

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The idea that somebody looked at a purple onion and called it a red onion really bothers me.   

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What "risk"?

As @DiogenesLamp eloquently spelled out, NBC, CNN, and others are censoring information that is very damaging to the DEM Party.

...and too many Hollywood 'stars' who remained silent knowing about his reputation and proclivities.

They do this for the sole reason of affecting elections and assisting the Left push their Agenda.

...robbing us of "Consent".

That is something, for which the American People would get behind a President.  And would it be 'Populist'?  Or Constitutionally mandated he do somthing about it?

People won't get behind tyranny or someone they perceive to be acting as a dictator.
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People won't get behind tyranny or someone they perceive to be acting as a dictator.

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Where were you during Obamas time in office?
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So basically you want censorship.

"The most insidious power of the media is the power to ignore".    - Chris Plante
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You fight it or counter it.. you too can use freedom of the press..you don't start pulling license's because you don't like what they say...this is what dictators do...

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Ahh I see.   Little ole me is gonna fight the whole MSM with my blog posts.

yeah lol

Oh wait I can take a billion dollars from my savings account and start up a competitor company to them,   
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Where were you during Obamas time in office?

Same place I am now...serving in the military.  I didn't miss anything.

Still doesn't justify cheering a tyrannical move like this.
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Ahh I see.   Little ole me is gonna fight the whole MSM with my blog posts.

yeah lol

Oh wait I can take a billion dollars from my savings account and start up a competitor company to them,

Don't tell that to the "little people" who made blog posts at TOS that countered a blatant falsehood by the MSM regarding the President.

Where's Dan rather these days?
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Ahh I see.   Little ole me is gonna fight the whole MSM with my blog posts.

yeah lol

Oh wait I can take a billion dollars from my savings account and start up a competitor company to them,

The story is already being disputed...pulling licenses is not needed.

We have just as much access to the press as the MSM does, times have changed.
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I'm convinced a significant portion of this country would argue for the protection of their enemies all the way to the ovens.

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Don't tell that to the "little people" who made blog posts at TOS that countered a blatant falsehood by the MSM regarding the President.

Where's Dan rather these days?

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So out of the thousands of lies the media tells you have ONE story of a successful counter?

One?

Really?  Just one?
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Ahh I see.   Little ole me is gonna fight the whole MSM with my blog posts.

yeah lol

Oh wait I can take a billion dollars from my savings account and start up a competitor company to them,

I often said that FR missed the boat by not putting up a news mag with news supplied by it's mammoth nation-wide user-base. The very thing that brought down Rather could be presented in a journalistic fashion.

No national rag has even a fraction of boots on the ground and fact-checkers that your average forum has at it's disposal. But that would require people like those who once inhabited FR - People with a penchant toward winnowing out the truth.

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The story is already being disputed...pulling licenses is not needed.

We have just as much access to the press as the MSM does, times have changed.

@mystery-ak
Yes we can visit their webpage all day long.

We cannot choose what message gets transmitted out to hundreds of millions of people.

Times haven't changed that much.
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I often said that FR missed the boat by not putting up a news mag with news supplied by it's mammoth nation-wide user-base. The very thing that brought down Rather could be presented in a journalistic fashion.

No national rag has even a fraction of boots on the ground and fact-checkers that your average forum has at it's disposal. But that would require people like those who once inhabited FR - People with a penchant toward winnowing out the truth.

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And yet they dictate whats on the news each and every day
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So out of the thousands of lies the media tells you have ONE story of a successful counter?

One?

Really?  Just one?

I realize that no number of successes will satisfy your blood lust for a tyrannical move like this form Trump.

You said what can you do...tried to make yourself out to be a helpless victim...I merely pointed out a very famous and very publicized win for the people.
The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years. The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.

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