Trump threatens to target licenses of 'NBC and the Networks' after nuclear arsenal report

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/11/trump-threatens-to-target-licenses-nbc-and-networks-after-nuclear-arsenal-report.html

What a moron.

[kevindavis007]

Imagine the reaction if Obama threatens to target Fox.

[ABX]

Imagine the reaction if Obama threatens to target Fox.

He did; Conservatives blew up.

[kevindavis007]

He did; Conservatives blew up.

But I imagine a lot of people here would welcome this..

[Applewood]

If I remember right, Trump made some noise a while back about altering libel laws to go after alleged "fake news" outlets.  And his supporters just yawned. 

They probably would do the same on this matter too. 

Or we will hear that Trump was only joking.

[DiogenesLamp]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/11/trump-threatens-to-target-licenses-nbc-and-networks-after-nuclear-arsenal-report.html

What a moron.

You are not a moron.  You just say moron things like this. 

Trump is exactly right to do this.  I have been trying to get people to threaten these propaganda bastards for years,  and Trump is finally the man with enough guts to do it! 


The media corporations are our enemy.  They are the propaganda corps for the left in this nation,  and they have been manipulating elections with their lies,  their omissions,  and their spin,  and it's way past time we did a frontal assault on their legitimacy and their continued lawful operation in this country. 

Yes,  pulling their licenses is exactly the appropriate thing to threaten these bastards with.   I would be threatening Federal prosecutions if it were up to me.   I'd have the FEC all over them, I'd have the EEOC all over them,   I would be having the Justice Department bringing anti-trust lawsuits against them,   I would be using whatever power I could bring to bear in an effort to cut their financial throats. 


These are our enemies,  and they have been our enemies since at least the Nixon/Kennedy election,  and probably a lot longer than that.   

We need to stick a knife in them anywhere we can. 

[aligncare]

The first salvo.

[kevindavis007]

You are not a moron.  You just say moron things like this. 

Trump is exactly right to do this.  I have been trying to get people to threaten these propaganda bastards for years,  and Trump is finally the man with enough guts to do it! 


The media corporations are our enemy.  They are the propaganda corps for the left in this nation,  and they have been manipulating elections with their lies,  their omissions,  and their spin,  and it's way past time we did a frontal assault on their legitimacy and their continued lawful operation in this country. 

Yes,  pulling their licenses is exactly the appropriate thing to threaten these bastards with.   I would be threatening Federal prosecutions if it were up to me.   I'd have the FEC all over them, I'd have the EEOC all over them,   I would be having the Justice Department bringing anti-trust lawsuits against them,   I would be using whatever power I could bring to bear in an effort to cut their financial throats. 


These are our enemies,  and they have been our enemies since at least the Nixon/Kennedy election,  and probably a lot longer than that.   

We need to stick a knife in them anywhere we can.

Have you even read the Constitution? 

[driftdiver]

Have you even read the Constitution?

@kevindavis
Here's the problem, our enemies have copies of our Constitution and they are more than willing to use it against us.  What would you propose as a solution to the abuse and lies perpetrated by folks like NBC & CBS under the guise of free speech?

[aligncare]

Have you even read the Constitution? 

Today’s journalists have abdicated their duty under the constitution. There’s no penumbra in the first amendment that would protect the press from deliberate lying to the public.

This from Caroline Little, CEO of the Newspaper Association Of America, in an editorial in the Miami Herald:

“For a society to be responsible and powerful, it must be informed. Our free press, protected by the first constitutional amendment, plays a critical role in ensuring that every American has constant access to important and trustworthy news.”

Read more at: http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/op-ed/speak-up/article1955056.html

Trump is correct for calling out NBC. Broadcasters must meet certain obligations to the public in order to renew their licenses. So, why shouldn’t a news network be held to a simple standard of veracity?

[kevindavis007]

@kevindavis
Here's the problem, our enemies have copies of our Constitution and they are more than willing to use it against us.  What would you propose as a solution to the abuse and lies perpetrated by folks like NBC & CBS under the guise of free speech?

Just ignore them....

[kevindavis007]

Today’s journalists have abdicated their duty under the constitution. There’s no penumbra in the first amendment that would protect the press from deliberate lying to the public.

This from Caroline Little, CEO of the Newspaper Association Of America, in an editorial in the Miami Herald:

“For a society to be responsible and powerful, it must be informed. Our free press, protected by the first constitutional amendment, plays a critical role in ensuring that every American has constant access to important and trustworthy news.”

Read more at: http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/op-ed/speak-up/article1955056.html

Trump is correct for calling out NBC. Broadcasters must meet certain obligations to the public in order to renew their licenses. So, why shouldn’t a news network be held to a simple standard of veracity?

Sorry, but I think the whole broadcast licenses is kinda old and out of date. To be quite honest I don't want the Government to dictate what is fake news and not fake news.

[aligncare]

Imagine the reaction if Obama threatens to target Fox.

If FOX were shown to be deliberately lying? My reaction would be the same.

In early summer The New York Times wrote they would overlook certain journalistic standards in reporting on Trump. And that Trump was so dangerous it was their mission to expose the danger, even if it meant lowering their standard on number of source and on named sources before printing a story.

Now that’s disturbing. But I have no problem with them coming out in opposition administration policies. However, if they are proven to be deliberately lying about material facts, I have a problem with that, as we all should.

[kevindavis007]

If FOX were shown to be deliberately lying? My reaction would be the same.

In early summer The New York Times wrote they would overlook certain journalistic standards in reporting on Trump. And that Trump was so dangerous it was their mission to expose the danger, even if it meant lowering their standard on number of source and on named sources before printing a story.

Now that’s disturbing. But I have no problem with them coming out in opposition to an administration. However, if the are proven to be deliberately lying, that I have a problem with, as we all should.

I don't like the lying but the best thing to do is just ignore them.

[driftdiver]

I don't like the lying but the best thing to do is just ignore them.

Yes thats worked so well these last few decades.

[kevindavis007]

Pulling the Plug on Anti-Chavez TV
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/17/AR2007011702003.html

[RoosGirl]

So which time was Trump lying?  This time or last time?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-exclusive/trump-wants-to-make-sure-u-s-nuclear-arsenal-at-top-of-the-pack-idUSKBN1622IF

Of course Trump has a documented history of wanting to go after the media that is unfavorable to him.  Nothing new there.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

The thing is that it's an idle, blustery threat from a blowhard. It just makes Trump, and his sycophants, look even dumber. Trump is a ballsless freak who would never do that.

[kevindavis007]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Text

[GrouchoTex]

Someone should tell Trump that it is the individual stations, not the networks themselves, who have the license.

You would have thought that Trump, being a TV guy, might have known this.

[Bigun]

Someone should tell Trump that it is the individual stations, not the networks themselves, who have the license.

You would have thought that Trump, being a TV guy, might have known this.

He knows.

[driftdiver]

So putting them out of business is the solution? 

Not just no, but hell no. 

We have freedom of the press in this country.  And it's not just for news sources we like or who write favorable news about "our guy."

@Applewood
Letting enemies of the country continue their propaganda war against us?

Same result and the govt shutting them down just takes longer and is much much more painful and would hit us all.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

@Applewood
Letting enemies of the country continue their propaganda war against us?

We have something called freedom of speech,[edit].

[Edit by Mod1]

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

He knows.

I don't think he does.

[Applewood]

The thing is that it's an idle, blustery threat from a blowhard. It just makes Trump, and his sycophants, look even dumber. Trump is a ballsless freak who would never do that.

Yes, it probably is.  But I find it alarming that so many people would go along with the idea if it could be done.  They are so willing to trash the Constitution to protect their hero.

[driftdiver]

We have something called freedom of speech, [edit].

@Weird Tolkienish Figure
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Personal insults edited by Mod1

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

@Weird Tolkienish Figure
[Edit]

Respond to what I wrote, [edit].

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[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Yes, it probably is.  But I find it alarming that so many people would go along with the idea if it could be done.  They are so willing to trash the Constitution to protect their hero.

They're a bunch of gutless twerps who want a daddy figure because they're too weak to stand against "propaganda" without government intervention.

[driftdiver]

Respond to what I wrote, [edit].

@Weird Tolkienish Figure
I did [edit]

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[aligncare]

So putting them out of business is the solution? 

Not just no, but hell no. 

We have freedom of the press in this country.  And it's not just for news sources we like or who write favorable news about "our guy."

No one is getting upset over unfavorable news stories. Some of us are rightly getting upset over misrepresented facts and material lies from our ‘trusted’ news sources.

[driftdiver]

Yes, it probably is.  But I find it alarming that so many people would go along with the idea if it could be done.  They are so willing to trash the Constitution to protect their hero.

@Applewood
Your enemy doesn't care a whit about your free speech.  They care only for their ability to spew propaganda and lies to further their agenda of destroying you.   Are you going to fight for their right to keep lobbing bombs or are you going to attempt to fight back? 

[DiogenesLamp]

If I remember right, Trump made some noise a while back about altering libel laws to go after alleged "fake news" outlets.  And his supporters just yawned. 

They probably would do the same on this matter too. 

Or we will hear that Trump was only joking.

You will hear from me that it doesn't go nearly far enough.   We need to be bringing whatever weapon to bear that we are able against  the media-weapon that has been f***ing up the country since at least Nixon/Kennedy.   

They are the propaganda corps of the New York/Washington Establishment,  and we need to force control of them out of the hands of Liberal agents. 

[driftdiver]

No one is getting upset over unfavorable news stories. Some of us are rightly getting upset over misrepresented facts and material lies from our ‘trusted’ news sources.

@aligncare
These aren't mistakes or a difference in opinion.  These are out and out lies.   

[DiogenesLamp]

Have you even read the Constitution?

Yes I have,  and one of the most important aspects of it is "Freedom of Speech. " 


That has been totally destroyed by monopoly control of all sources of broadcasting,  and it  undermines the very purpose for which the Founders incorporated "Freedom of Speech" into our constitution.   


The purpose is so that the public can hear both sides without suppression.   Well we have suppression.  We have censorship.  We have one party total control over the airwaves,  and as a consequence it has caused the public to make very bad decisions.   


It is our duty to insure freedom of speech.  We must stop liberal censorship of the airwaves.   

[libertybele]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Text

I think we all get First Amendment rights ... however, defamation of character is quite another issue; especially purposefully lying about the actions and comments about the President of the U.S.

[DiogenesLamp]

Sorry, but I think the whole broadcast licenses is kinda old and out of date. To be quite honest I don't want the Government to dictate what is fake news and not fake news.

I don't either.  Break the monopoly,  and the problem will take care of itself. 

Once conservatives can break into the broadcast streams,  they can report the news that the liberal controllers routinely censor. 

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I think we all get First Amendment rights ... however, defamation of character is quite another issue; especially purposefully lying about the actions and comments about the President of the U.S.

He's a public figure. Is Trump such a whining bleep that he needs the government to intervene?

[DiogenesLamp]

I don't like the lying but the best thing to do is just ignore them.

This is as wrong as it can be.  Ignoring them lets their lies permeate the public,  and the public makes bad decisions based on the lies they have been told. 


When Hitler was preaching that the Jews were "Untermenschen"  and that greedy Jewish bankers stabbed Germany in the Back,  and that Jewish Rabbis drank the blood of gentile children,   the people heard it and believed it. 


Ignoring it didn't stop the evil from spreading.  Only confronting it can do that.  You must reach the people with the truth,  and you must challenge lies in front of the people so that the people are not misled by evil and falsehood.   

"Ignoring it"  allows it to fester and grow.  It allows it to damage the nation and the people.   Only fighting back against it with at least equal ability to reach the people can counter act it. 

[Cyber Liberty]

He did; Conservatives blew up.

It was stupid then and it's stupid now.  NBC owns maybe a handful of TV stations?  Trumps mad at what the cables are doing, and there are no licenses to pull.

[DiogenesLamp]

The thing is that it's an idle, blustery threat from a blowhard. It just makes Trump, and his sycophants, look even dumber. Trump is a ballsless freak who would never do that.

It puts the idea on the table and gets people to think about it.   Look,  it has us talking about it now!   


The fact that you are engaging in this discussion means that Trump has worked his spell on you and you are right this very minute doing exactly what he wanted you to do when he made that tweet.   

He is way inside your ooda loop,  and you don't even realize it. 

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

It puts the idea on the table and gets people to think about it.   Look,  it has us talking about it now!   


The fact that you are engaging in this discussion means that Trump has worked his spell on you and you are right this very minute doing exactly what he wanted you to do when he made that tweet.   

He is way inside your ooda loop,  and you don't even realize it.

Nothing will come of this just like basically nothing has come of any of the crap Trump tweets about (NFL excepting).

[DiogenesLamp]

We have something called freedom of speech,[edit].

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Which is exactly why we need to drop a nuclear powered sledge hammer on the propaganda monopoly controlled out of Washington  DC and New York. 


Monopoly suppresses *OUR*  freedom of speech.   


Monopoly:  Do you speak it?   

[DiogenesLamp]

Yes, it probably is.  But I find it alarming that so many people would go along with the idea if it could be done.  They are so willing to trash the Constitution to protect their hero.

We are so willing to protect the means of protecting the constitution by stopping One party monopoly of speech that is currently damaging the constitution.   


Had the media reported the truth about Obama and his scandals,  Obama would be in prison where he belongs.   They are destroying our country by covering up lies. 

[Mod1]

Enough with name calling.

[DiogenesLamp]

They're a bunch of gutless twerps who want a daddy figure because they're too weak to stand against "propaganda" without government intervention.

You are not a "twerp".   None of us are capable of standing against this trillion dollar propaganda system. 

It is a monopoly,  and none of us are big enough to break it.  If we all work together,  we might be able to break it,  but individually we are just helpless pawns. 

[DiogenesLamp]

No one is getting upset over unfavorable news stories. Some of us are rightly getting upset over misrepresented facts and material lies from our ‘trusted’ news sources.

The biggest scandal this year (Imran Awan)  and I haven't heard a f***ing word from the New York/Washington controlled media-weapon. 


The media-weapon is the tool of the deep state,   and it will not be used against it's own.   

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Yes I have,  and one of the most important aspects of it is "Freedom of Speech. " 


That has been totally destroyed by monopoly control of all sources of broadcasting,  and it  undermines the very purpose for which the Founders incorporated "Freedom of Speech" into our constitution.   


The purpose is so that the public can hear both sides without suppression.   Well we have suppression.  We have censorship.  We have one party total control over the airwaves,  and as a consequence it has caused the public to make very bad decisions.   


It is our duty to insure freedom of speech.  We must stop liberal censorship of the airwaves.

Even Freedom of Speech has its limits.  One need only look at the leakage coming out of the national security team on nuclear weapons.  http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,285545.0.html

If a news agency publishes an article knowingly that is secret govt intelligence, and whose intent to publish is to weaken this country, that is sedition.  There is no Freedom of Speech on seditious behavior.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

You are not a "twerp".   None of us are capable of standing against this trillion dollar propaganda system. 

It is a monopoly,  and none of us are big enough to break it.  If we all work together,  we might be able to break it,  but individually we are just helpless pawns.

[Edit], who needs the gubment to save you from the mean ol' propaganda.

Edit by Mod1. 

[RoosGirl]

Since no one bothered to read the link I provided, here's a quote from it.

In his first comments about the U.S. nuclear arsenal since taking office on Jan. 20, Trump was asked about a December tweet in which he said the United States must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capacity “until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes.”

And there is more, direct quotes to Reuters that he does indeed thing the US nuke arsenal should be expanded.  So now he is lying about saying that he said such a thing, and using that lie to threaten NBC.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

I don't either.  Break the monopoly,  and the problem will take care of itself. 

Once conservatives can break into the broadcast streams,  they can report the news that the liberal controllers routinely censor.

That is already happening.  It is the reason Steve Bannon is prominent in the news lately.