Hannity: GOP leaders have pushed Trump into arms of Schumer, Pelosi

[skeeter]

LMAO!   I don't even wanna know... but I much suspect it involves kneepads.   

Rush is on the air today strongly implying that most of the "base" want the "dreamers" to stay, and that Trump is way ahead of us.

Just as I was forgetting how much Rush 2016 disgusted me.

[XenaLee]

Rush is on the air today strongly implying that most of the "base" want the "dreamers" to stay, and that Trump is way ahead of us.

Just as I was forgetting how much Rush 2016 disgusted me.

I'm still torn about Rush.  On one hand, he makes a lot of sense re: what he says regarding most issues.  He hates the radical left almost as much as I do.  Perhaps he sees something in Trump that I don't, can't and probably never will.   

As for wanting the dreamers to stay....

The problem with deporting the "dreamers".... is complex.  I don't want to reward their parents' bad behavior by allowing them to stay, much less to hand them the citizenship that they didn't earn by doing things the right way (unlike millions of other immigrants... some 'still waiting').... but to deport them all, them and their parents, would be an impossibly expensive and difficult job. 

All the time the GOP would be painted as heartless hacks for doing so... and public opinion would be so swayed against the GOP that it would thus ensure a Democrat win for future elections.  It won't happen, therefore.  The GOP don't have the ballz.

What most of the base does NOT want is for those dreamers to be allowed to vote in US elections.  Which is exactly WHY the radical left wants them here and wants them legalized.  Again, it's a difficult issue and one that Trump did not create.  Trump isn't to blame for it....but I also think Trump is not the man to solve the issue, if it even can be solved.  Dunno. 

[GtHawk]

LMAO!   I don't even wanna know... but I much suspect it involves kneepads.   

I suspect Hannity wore out his kneepads and put those awesome contactor skill to use digging a hole so that he could perform standing up.

[roamer_1]

Rush is on the air today strongly implying that most of the "base" want the "dreamers" to stay, and that Trump is way ahead of us.

Just as I was forgetting how much Rush 2016 disgusted me.

Point in fact why I stopped listening loooong ago.  Rush 2017 is miles and miles away from Rush 1980,

[Hoodat]

I had no idea it would be this easy for someone as strong a leader as Trump to be pushed.

[skeeter]

I'm still torn about Rush.  On one hand, he makes a lot of sense re: what he says regarding most issues.  He hates the radical left almost as much as I do.  Perhaps he sees something in Trump that I don't, can't and probably never will.   

As for wanting the dreamers to stay....

The problem with deporting the "dreamers".... is complex.  I don't want to reward their parents' bad behavior by allowing them to stay, much less to hand them the citizenship that they didn't earn by doing things the right way (unlike millions of other immigrants... some 'still waiting').... but to deport them all, them and their parents, would be an impossibly expensive and difficult job. 

All the time the GOP would be painted as heartless hacks for doing so... and public opinion would be so swayed against the GOP that it would thus ensure a Democrat win for future elections.  It won't happen, therefore.  The GOP don't have the ballz.

What most of the base does NOT want is for those dreamers to be allowed to vote in US elections.  Which is exactly WHY the radical left wants them here and wants them legalized.  Again, it's a difficult issue and one that Trump did not create.  Trump isn't to blame for it....but I also think Trump is not the man to solve the issue, if it even can be solved.  Dunno.

But this is the problem with Rush - he's marveling at Trump's acumen while ignoring the fact that any DACA bill will eventually result in a path to legalization for millions of now illegal aliens, which in turn will garauntee we become a 'workers paradise' in a few election cycles.

Instead of going on about being impressed by Trumps pivot maybe he should be joining with the few voices out there trying to apply pressure to prevent Trump from assisting in administering the bullet to the head of our Republic?

[INVAR]

Rush is on the air today strongly implying that most of the "base" want the "dreamers" to stay, and that Trump is way ahead of us.

Just as I was forgetting how much Rush 2016 disgusted me.

Lawlessness begets more lawlessness, and those that opposed it yesterday, embrace it today - because... Trump.

And so - the precedent being set and now permanent, America is the land of the welfare state in perpetuity with open borders and an economy saddled with a debt that exceeds the wealth of the entire planet.

And now the apostates and false preachers of what was once Reagan Conservatism, lecture us simpletons to embrace Lawlessness and liberalism as long as it's Trump who is for it.

Tomorrow Rush will tell his listeners that the 'Conservatives really do want Single Payer healthcare.  They just don't realize it yet, and Trump is going to show them the way and give it to them'.

[roamer_1]

The problem with deporting the "dreamers".... is complex.

No, it is not. There is no way one can prove who is a so called 'dreamer' and who is not, among illegals. All an illegal has to do is claim to have been brought as a child - And how exactly do you prove against it? An illegal act in the dead of night bears no record.

This is a blanket loophole. Don't let the 'feel-goods' turn your head.

[roamer_1]

Instead of going on about being impressed by Trumps pivot maybe he should be joining with the few voices out there trying to apply pressure to prevent Trump from assisting in administering the bullet to the head of our Republic?

He's belching White House/RNC talking points.

[skeeter]

No, it is not. There is no way one can prove who is a so called 'dreamer' and who is not, among illegals. All an illegal has to do is claim to have been brought as a child - And how exactly do you prove against it? An illegal act in the dead of night bears no record.

This is a blanket loophole. Don't let the 'feel-goods' turn your head.

Exactly. This "dreamers" narrative is the king of scams in a place where The Scam is a high art form.

It is blanket amnesty and we're about to get it in the backside.

[XenaLee]

But this is the problem with Rush - he's marveling at Trump's acumen while ignoring the fact that any DACA bill will eventually result in a path to legalization for millions of now illegal aliens, which in turn will garauntee we become a 'workers paradise' in a few election cycles.

Instead of going on about being impressed by Trumps pivot maybe he should be joining with the few voices out there trying to apply pressure to prevent Trump from assisting in administering the bullet to the head of our Republic?

I have to agree with you there.   Rush should indeed be voicing the concern of the 'real base' (ie most Americans that are not leftists) out there.  Good point.

[XenaLee]

No, it is not. There is no way one can prove who is a so called 'dreamer' and who is not, among illegals. All an illegal has to do is claim to have been brought as a child - And how exactly do you prove against it? An illegal act in the dead of night bears no record.

This is a blanket loophole. Don't let the 'feel-goods' turn your head.

Ehhh.... the "feel-goods" will never turn my head.  If anything, I usually come down on the "heartless" side...lol....

since half of my ancestors came here and became LEGAL citizens the right way.... and the other half were already here, experienced and witnessed the invasion.  So I tend to trend on the "cry me a river" side of these issues.

[roamer_1]

It is blanket amnesty and we're about to get it in the backside.

Right. And now, since it's 'Republican', we're supposed to like getting it in the backside.
BOHICA, baby... I'll be gentle...
  

[roamer_1]

Ehhh.... the "feel-goods" will never turn my head.  If anything, I usually come down on the "heartless" side...lol....

since half of my ancestors came here and became LEGAL citizens the right way.... and the other half were already here, experienced and witnessed the invasion.  So I tend to trend on the "cry me a river" side of these issues.

No offense meant - but it is blanket amnesty - That's what I am saying.

[XenaLee]

Lawlessness begets more lawlessness, and those that opposed it yesterday, embrace it today - because... Trump.

And so - the precedent being set and now permanent, America is the land of the welfare state in perpetuity with open borders and an economy saddled with a debt that exceeds the wealth of the entire planet.

And now the apostates and false preachers of what was once Reagan Conservatism, lecture us simpletons to embrace Lawlessness and liberalism as long as it's Trump who is for it.

Tomorrow Rush will tell his listeners that the 'Conservatives really do want Single Payer healthcare.  They just don't realize it yet, and Trump is going to show them the way and give it to them'.

With all due respect.... I sincerely doubt that that will ever happen, INVAR.  While you may not like Rush, don't attribute leftist traits to him that he does not possess.  That would be very unfair of you.

[XenaLee]

No offense meant - but it is blanket amnesty - That's what I am saying.

Yeah, I get your point.  And I agree with it.

Bottom line, this nation can NOT afford to give blanket amnesty to all of the illegals here....plus the ones that would flood in if any blanket amnesty action was announced.  It's what the radical left wants, NOT what the majority of non-leftist Americans want.  It had damned well better not happen. 

[roamer_1]

Yeah, I get your point.  And I agree with it.

Bottom line, this nation can NOT afford to give blanket amnesty to all of the illegals here....plus the ones that would flood in if any blanket amnesty action was announced.  It's what the radical left wants, NOT what the majority of non-leftist Americans want.  It had damned well better not happen.

I will return to the mantra back in the Duncan Hunter days: Build the fence, enforce the law.

A decade of that, and we can start talking about amnesty.

[INVAR]

With all due respect.... I sincerely doubt that that will ever happen, INVAR.  While you may not like Rush, don't attribute leftist traits to him that he does not possess.  That would be very unfair of you.

Really?  Pushing a NY Liberal Democrat on us for president and excusing his behaviors and actions as some kind of attribute to be admired is 'unfair'???

I took what Rush supposedly stated today on his show and extrapolated where it will likely end up given Limbaugh's ongoing Apologist Tour for Trump:

Rush is on the air today strongly implying that most of the "base" want the "dreamers" to stay, and that Trump is way ahead of us.

If Rush can 'prophesy' that most of the 'base' WANTS 'dreamers' to stay because Trump said so - why wouldn't Limbaugh do the same when Obamacare finally collapses and Trump pushes Single Payer?  I have already read "Conservatives" who have said as much.

[GrouchoTex]

Also what is funny, I'm seeing a lot of people who believe in Sean Hannity for what he is saying are the same people mocking Hillary for playing the blame game.

 

[XenaLee]

Really?  Pushing a NY Liberal Democrat on us for president and excusing his behaviors and actions as some kind of attribute to be admired is 'unfair'???

In all fairness.... at the time Rush finally came out in open support of Trump, he was the ONLY other candidate on the ballot...that could win against Hillary.  And as you should know by now... Rush detests Hillary (and Bill) Clinton.

I took what Rush supposedly stated today on his show and extrapolated where it will likely end up given Limbaugh's ongoing Apologist Tour for Trump:

If Rush can 'prophesy' that most of the 'base' WANTS 'dreamers' to stay because Trump said so - why wouldn't Limbaugh do the same when Obamacare finally collapses and Trump pushes Single Payer?  I have already read "Conservatives" who have said as much.

Rush was just going by a poll and presenting the data, he wasn't in ANY way pushing his approval of legalizing dreamers.  Myst just posted the entire show's text.  Read it.

Rush is no damned leftist.... and only a leftist would push Single Payer. 

Get a clue.

[XenaLee]

I will return to the mantra back in the Duncan Hunter days: Build the fence, enforce the law.

A decade of that, and we can start talking about amnesty.

Yeah, but so far.... all I'm seeing is a sucky deal (debt ceiling increase) for the right side of the political aisle.  Therefore, I won't hold out much hope for Trump to make a 'good deal' for us re: illegal immigration and/or the "dreamers" either.  Call me a pessimist. 

I don't care about the wall.  I want illegal immigration laws enforced and I want the border controlled.  I also don't want that "path to citizenship" for illegals here OR for those still coming.  You can also call me cruel, heartless, and a Conservative for that.  I care about the overall welfare of the entire country more than I care about people who break our laws to be here.

[corbe]

   Shirley, even Trump realizes he can only ride this Schumer/Pelosi Train for only so long before he does irreparable damage to his Base. Then what?
   Embrace McConnell and Ryan again? 
   Even McConnell, the azzhole that he is, is still running circles around Trump's latest surge to the left.

   These idiots wanted hellary or Trump, ABC*



    *Anybody but Cruz

[Oceander]

President Trump(D) thanks you for your support of the democrat political agenda.

[INVAR]

In all fairness.... at the time Rush finally came out in open support of Trump, he was the ONLY other candidate on the ballot...that could win against Hillary.  And as you should know by now... Rush detests Hillary (and Bill) Clinton.

That is not exactly true.  I dumped Limbaugh a month BEFORE the convention.  He made it pretty clear whom he was pulling for since early June, he didn't hide it that well. And when a lady called up to tell Rush that if Trump was the nominee she couldn't bring herself to vote for him and Limbaugh told her point blank that she was effectively voting for Hillary if she could not vote for Trump.  That was the last time I ever turned him on to listen.

Now that call was BEFORE the convention and BEFORE Trump was the nominee. Someone else here on this board had said that they also remember that call, and it was before the Convention.

Rush was just going by a poll and presenting the data, he wasn't in ANY way pushing his approval of legalizing dreamers.  Myst just posted the entire show's text.  Read it.

I was quoting what Skeeter stated that he heard on his show today.  I reacted to that comment.  I did not read the transcript from the show - but given Limbaugh's behavior last year I have no reservations that Skeeter's impression needed to be doubted.

Rush is no damned leftist.... and only a leftist would push Single Payer.

We shall see.  Trump publicly advocated for Single Payer.  If that becomes an avenue he pursues with the Democrats and the GOP leadership - it will be interesting to see if Limbaugh will break ranks and condemn Trump for that position - or as I suspect, make clever excuses for it by suggesting that Single Payer is what 'the base' really wants, and Trump is just ahead of the curve.

Get a clue.

I no longer believe Limbaugh is the Conservative I once thought he was.

Populism and payback is probably a bit more where he and 'the base' finds itself if out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

[DCPatriot]

/snicker

Yeah, right, from the sucker who voted a democrat into the White House.  President Trump(D) thanks you for your support.

You think I give a fiddler's damn you call him a (D)?

My vote saved the Constitutional Republic.   

Meanwhile....yours???