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Re: White House warns ‘potentially ambitious’ Republicans about 2020
« Reply #75 on: August 07, 2017, 04:40:18 pm »
Our "legitimate" evil put a hardcore conservative on the supreme court. Your foolishness would have put Merrick Garland there in his stead, swaying the court to the Left for the next 30 years. Brilliant.

That remains to be seen - Albeit that this may be the only true thing you have said in this whole post. At least it has the potential to possibly be true.

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Further, our "legitimate" evil got us out of the Paris agreement [...]

No, he didn't. He's merely taken the public position to be fixin to get us out of the Paris agreement... which can change at any moment.

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NAFTA redone [...]

No, again, nothing but words. There is no decidedly different direction, because any as such would have to be approved my congress, and until that happens, nothing has legitimately been changed at all.

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and pushed HARD for Obamacare repeal and replace

I didn't see any hard push at all, outside of castigating Conservatives. Considering his tendency to rant at the bully pulpit, his effort into health care was mild by comparison... No where near the time spent on whining about the press, as an instance.

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a wall on the southern border [...]

There is no wall.

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cutting of taxes

What 'cutting of taxes'? The only thing that I am aware of regarding taxes was the giant bipartisan spending bill that covered Obama's final year, which passed without any tinkering to speak of. The rest is hot air.

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and the re-invigoration of our armed forces.

Basically, cheerleading.

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ALL conservative goals and ALL things no democrat would ever move towards.

Talk is cheap, and Trump-talk is cheaper than most.

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So only a true idiot could proclaim the two things as being moral equivalents...

No, they are not morally equivalent - At least the Democrat is honest in his position... A position that I am four-square against, to be sure, But the position he takes is true - I can believe him.

Trump does not even reach THAT low bar. He cannot be believed. He literally lies all the time. How can one take him at his word about anything?

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or perhaps...someone dishonest and vindictive who's the equivalent of an angry and petty child because his/her favored candidate lost in the primary. Take your pick.

Mere projection on your part. I knew outright that my final pick was going to lose - Why would I be angry or petty about what was plain to see?

I am deeply offended by how your candidate won - through outright lies and slander - And your insistence that I must now put my trust and support into that malignant 'success' is every bit as offensive as the means he used to gain his win. 

Where I am from, we don't reward people for bad behavior. The end does not justify the means.

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Re: White House warns ‘potentially ambitious’ Republicans about 2020
« Reply #76 on: August 07, 2017, 04:47:21 pm »
Trump has done NONE of those things cited.  You've been conned.


BRAVO! Great post!

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Re: White House warns ‘potentially ambitious’ Republicans about 2020
« Reply #77 on: August 07, 2017, 05:36:51 pm »
Are you okay?  You're having trouble remembering what you wrote earlier, the thing you "dislike the most" about NT ers...

You realize you're calling my comment insulting and at the same time calling me "stupid" in several different ways.

There's no bragging in what I wrote, I don't feel overly proud about my third party vote, it's just a decision I made.  Just like your decision to not vote at all, which really gives you a hell of a lot of nerve giving anyone your opinion on how they voted.

I disagree with you adamantly, if enough people had 1) made the decision to not vote for Trump in the primary 2) made the decision to vote for a conservative in the general like I did, I think we'd be in a much better place than we are right now.

You have some weird bipolar quirk of going from being for Cruz to not voting for Trump but getting behind him since that's who won to now acting like an ET.  Troll much?

P.S.  You asked who could do better than Trump.  People answered you, and when they did you moved the goal posts.  I didn't and I won't engage in that silly little game of yours.

No, I didn't ask who could do better than Trump.  Probably a lot of people could.  I asked who in the democrat party could do better.

Yes, we would be better off if people had not voted for Trump in the primary but once he was nominated it is delusional to think that you had more than two choices.

If I had still been in Texas I would have reluctantly voted for Trump because of the alternative.  Something you NT's refuse to get or understand.

But I wasn't registered in Hawaii and knew they would go blue unless Reagan ran again.

So, yes, it does irritate me that NTers are so proud of themselves because I think their actions do not deserve praise, particularly when it is accompanied by scorn for people who see things differently. 

But, apparently you do want to play my game as you always respond to my posts.  That's fine but I do wish you would not engage in psycho-babble.
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Re: White House warns ‘potentially ambitious’ Republicans about 2020
« Reply #78 on: August 07, 2017, 05:56:08 pm »
once he was nominated it is delusional to think that you had more than two choices...Something you NT's refuse to get or understand.

We understand perfectly.

You are content to play the game until you are stuck with a choice between Lenin or Stalin; Hitler or Mussolini; Mao or Pol Pot.  You will make the same stupid arguments to pressure Conservatives into surrendering principles in order to support the lesser evil because of the 'alternative'.

Well, we choose do something different.

We're no longer slaves on the plantation, or subjects to the Crown.  You're free to choose whichever Statist/Socialist/Liberal you want to pretend is going to save you and the country. We're not going to try and shame you into violating your conscience and charge you with treason for refusing to vote for whom we say you must vote for.

We're independent and free from the corrupted parties you are beholden. 
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Re: White House warns ‘potentially ambitious’ Republicans about 2020
« Reply #79 on: August 07, 2017, 06:05:29 pm »
No, I didn't ask who could do better than Trump.  Probably a lot of people could.  I asked who in the democrat party could do better.

But, apparently you do want to play my game as you always respond to my posts.  That's fine but I do wish you would not engage in psycho-babble.

That's right, and when someone answered you changed the goal posts because Jim Webb would never get nominated.  This is the game I was talking about you playing that I am not interested in.  Please keep up.

Yes, we would be better off if people had not voted for Trump in the primary but once he was nominated it is delusional to think that you had more than two choices.

Maybe you should write the state of Florida and tell them they made a mistake on the ballots because there were indeed more than 2 names to choose from.  Maybe you could sue the state for the mistake on the ballots; clearly this was an unfair disadvantage for both Trump and Clinton.  I wish Florida would get their shit together, first the hanging chad and now this!

If I had still been in Texas I would have reluctantly voted for Trump because of the alternative.  Something you NT's refuse to get or understand.

But I wasn't registered in Hawaii and knew they would go blue unless Reagan ran again.

This sounds like the BS excuse that Trump's kids used as to why they didn't vote for their father in the Republican primary in NY.


So, yes, it does irritate me that NTers are so proud of themselves because I think their actions do not deserve praise, particularly when it is accompanied by scorn for people who see things differently. 

No one is asking for your praise.  Otherwise, get back to me when you actually take the time to vote.

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Re: White House warns ‘potentially ambitious’ Republicans about 2020
« Reply #80 on: August 07, 2017, 06:10:21 pm »
That's right, and when someone answered you changed the goal posts because Jim Webb would never get nominated.  This is the game I was talking about you playing that I am not interested in.  Please keep up.

Maybe you should write the state of Florida and tell them they made a mistake on the ballots because there were indeed more than 2 names to choose from.  Maybe you could sue the state for the mistake on the ballots; clearly this was an unfair disadvantage for both Trump and Clinton.  I wish Florida would get their shit together, first the hanging chad and now this!

This sounds like the BS excuse that Trump's kids used as to why they didn't vote for their father in the Republican primary in NY.


No one is asking for your praise.  Otherwise, get back to me when you actually take the time to vote.

I thought you weren't gonna mess with me anymore.

False hopes, again.
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Re: White House warns ‘potentially ambitious’ Republicans about 2020
« Reply #81 on: August 07, 2017, 06:11:59 pm »
We understand perfectly.

You are content to play the game until you are stuck with a choice between Lenin or Stalin; Hitler or Mussolini; Mao or Pol Pot.  You will make the same stupid arguments to pressure Conservatives into surrendering principles in order to support the lesser evil because of the 'alternative'.

Well, we choose do something different.

We're no longer slaves on the plantation, or subjects to the Crown.  You're free to choose whichever Statist/Socialist/Liberal you want to pretend is going to save you and the country. We're not going to try and shame you into violating your conscience and charge you with treason for refusing to vote for whom we say you must vote for.

We're independent and free from the corrupted parties you are beholden.

Great.  Enjoy your freedom.  Glad you aren't slaves 

But when you take your ball and go home, the game goes on without you.
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Re: White House warns ‘potentially ambitious’ Republicans about 2020
« Reply #82 on: August 07, 2017, 06:12:46 pm »
We understand perfectly.

You are content to play the game until you are stuck with a choice between Lenin or Stalin; Hitler or Mussolini; Mao or Pol Pot.  You will make the same stupid arguments to pressure Conservatives into surrendering principles in order to support the lesser evil because of the 'alternative'.

Well, we choose do something different.

We're no longer slaves on the plantation, or subjects to the Crown.  You're free to choose whichever Statist/Socialist/Liberal you want to pretend is going to save you and the country. We're not going to try and shame you into violating your conscience and charge you with treason for refusing to vote for whom we say you must vote for.

We're independent and free from the corrupted parties you are beholden.

If Trump supporters desire to apply "NT" to me, they're free to do so. A review of our many posts would reveal that we applaud Trump on the good things he's done, while recoiling when he changes his positions or using his office and henchmen to savage those not on the Trump Train.

Trump was the vessel for millions of Americans to flip the bird at D.C. IMO, that's not a governing strategy that will consistently garner majority votes on legislation. Disagree with Trump, and you get attacked mercilessly. That's not the kind of leadership I can follow, though I won't question the motivations of Trump supporters. I wonder how long Kelly will last.
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Re: White House warns ‘potentially ambitious’ Republicans about 2020
« Reply #83 on: August 07, 2017, 06:17:03 pm »
Great.  Enjoy your freedom.  Glad you aren't slaves 

But when you take your ball and go home, the game goes on without you.

Remember that pic that we cannot post of the German who refuse to Seig-Heil while the thousands of his fellow citizens were saluting the Nazis? 

That is how we view 'the game' you are all happy and content to be playing, happy to be deceiving and in being deceived.

We refuse to play the game.   We're planning on playing a different game, by our own rules.
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Re: White House warns ‘potentially ambitious’ Republicans about 2020
« Reply #84 on: August 07, 2017, 06:17:40 pm »
If Trump supporters desire to apply "NT" to me, they're free to do so. A review of our many posts would reveal that we applaud Trump on the good things he's done, while recoiling when he changes his positions or using his office and henchmen to savage those not on the Trump Train.

Trump was the vessel for millions of Americans to flip the bird at D.C. IMO, that's not a governing strategy that will consistently garner majority votes on legislation. Disagree with Trump, and you get attacked mercilessly. That's not the kind of leadership I can follow, though I won't question the motivations of Trump supporters. I wonder how long Kelly will last.

I agree with you about the 'flip the bird' thing.  And you are not a Never Trump because they do not applaud anything he does.

I am praying that Kelly is finally the right man for the job and can make needed changes in the inner circle.
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Re: White House warns ‘potentially ambitious’ Republicans about 2020
« Reply #85 on: August 07, 2017, 06:22:10 pm »
Remember that pic that we cannot post of the German who refuse to Seig-Heil while the thousands of his fellow citizens were saluting the Nazis? 

That is how we view 'the game' you are all happy and content to be playing, happy to be deceiving and in being deceived.

We refuse to play the game.   We're planning on playing a different game, by our own rules.

Why do you constantly refer to Nazis and Stalin and other evil regimes?

You are a passionate person who could accomplish a lot if you would stop living in a dream world and lend your talents here in the USA.

If you're talking about a third party, then get busy, because it would be at least 3 election cycles before one could be viable.  During that time, socialists would destroy the country.

And 6 months after your third party got into power, you would be criticizing them just like you are now.

Nobody is perfect.
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Re: White House warns ‘potentially ambitious’ Republicans about 2020
« Reply #86 on: August 07, 2017, 06:30:59 pm »
And you are not a Never Trump because they do not applaud anything he does.


oh, thank goodness you don't think of me as a NT.  i can't tell you how relieved i am.

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« Reply #87 on: August 07, 2017, 06:38:17 pm »
oh, thank goodness you don't think of me as a NT.  i can't tell you how relieved i am.

I cannot tell you how much I wish I had the will power to ignore you.  Apparently, I don't because I am now asking you to tell me one thing you've ever applauded Trump for.  And don't say his Supreme Court nominee ... that is a cop out.
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« Reply #88 on: August 07, 2017, 06:52:31 pm »
But when you take your ball and go home, the game goes on without you.

Worth repeating and remembering   888blackhat


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Re: White House warns ‘potentially ambitious’ Republicans about 2020
« Reply #89 on: August 07, 2017, 07:10:01 pm »
Trump was the vessel for millions of Americans to flip the bird at D.C. IMO, that's not a governing strategy that will consistently garner majority votes on legislation. Disagree with Trump, and you get attacked mercilessly. That's not the kind of leadership I can follow, though I won't question the motivations of Trump supporters. I wonder how long Kelly will last.

Worth repeating and remembering.
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« Reply #90 on: August 07, 2017, 07:18:02 pm »
Worth repeating and remembering.

We will move forward without you ... again.

Remember this.

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« Reply #91 on: August 07, 2017, 07:20:33 pm »
We will move forward without you ... again.

Remember this.

Remember this.  Good one.   :whistle:  I've just made a note so I don't EVER forget your advice. 

I really resonated with what Night Hides Not had to say.  Trump did a great job of garnering support from the disenfranchised.  Unfortunately, it appears, he’s not capable of actually governing:  he’s too egotistical and too interested in settling petty scores.   That’s a shame.  I think he could have been a truly a transformational President.  Instead, I think he’ll go down in history as a petty, childish, ineffective jerk.  Huge missed opportunity, but one I feared.
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« Reply #92 on: August 07, 2017, 07:32:30 pm »
.../ Instead, I think ..../

Why?  Do you think you're good at it?  :pondering:

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« Reply #93 on: August 07, 2017, 07:33:40 pm »
Why?  Do you think you're good at it?  :pondering:

Yes, I do...............
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« Reply #94 on: August 07, 2017, 07:34:46 pm »
Yes, I do...............

Well, bless your heart.   ^-^



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Re: White House warns ‘potentially ambitious’ Republicans about 2020
« Reply #95 on: August 07, 2017, 07:38:03 pm »
Remember this.  Good one.   :whistle:  I've just made a note so I don't EVER forget your advice. 

I really resonated with what Night Hides Not had to say.  Trump did a great job of garnering support from the disenfranchised.  Unfortunately, it appears, he’s not capable of actually governing:  he’s too egotistical and too interested in settling petty scores.   That’s a shame.  I think he could have been a truly a transformational President.  Instead, I think he’ll go down in history as a petty, childish, ineffective jerk.  Huge missed opportunity, but one I feared.

All those negative things are true about Trump, but those are personality defects.  I think he's capable of governing.  He's shown himself to be smart about all his appointments, except those dealing with himself (i.e. White House staff).

I think you, and many others, have written him off too soon.  But time will tell.
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Re: White House warns ‘potentially ambitious’ Republicans about 2020
« Reply #96 on: August 07, 2017, 07:48:12 pm »
All those negative things are true about Trump, but those are personality defects.  I think he's capable of governing .../

Of course he is @Emjay

How would you suggest he do this more effectively when saddled with a Republican caucus filled with NTs who live to see him fail  ... even when it means pain and punishment for the American people?

This is a serious question.  What should he do with those in his own caucus praying and working for the failure of his agenda and by extension the man himself and the American people?

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« Reply #97 on: August 07, 2017, 07:53:03 pm »
Why do you constantly refer to Nazis and Stalin and other evil regimes?

Because history repeats as is the legacy of mankind.

Only the deliberate and woefully ignorant think their societies are immune from the same fate that always befalls Republics and other societies.


You are a passionate person who could accomplish a lot if you would stop living in a dream world and lend your talents here in the USA.

Can't stop a people who insist on committing suicide.  So, I am happy to provide a witness as they eat the fruit of their ways while I work to do other more profitable things.

If you're talking about a third party, then get busy, because it would be at least 3 election cycles before one could be viable.

Gotta start somewhere.

During that time, socialists would destroy the country.

Oh well.  History repeats.  It's not my problem that this people chose ignorance and decided to call virtue an evil and evil a virtue.  Same as they call a NY Liberal Democrat a Reagan Conservative.  You are the engineers of your own destruction.

And 6 months after your third party got into power, you would be criticizing them just like you are now.

If they deserve it, then of course yes.

Nobody is perfect.

Which is why this experiment is doomed.  You have accepted the lie and premise that because nobody is perfect, that choosing the basest and egregious of character is good and noble and virtuous because the other is worse.  You do this, rather than striving for perfect or as close to virtuous as you can discern from the character of the people you choose to represent you.  As I said, you will shortly end up deciding between Lenin or Stalin as your ruler - and acolytes would be making the same idiotic justifications and threats that the rest of us need to get on board to support them.
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Re: White House warns ‘potentially ambitious’ Republicans about 2020
« Reply #98 on: August 07, 2017, 08:06:38 pm »
How would you suggest he do this more effectively when saddled with a Republican caucus filled with NTs who live to see him fail  ... even when it means pain and punishment for the American people?

I thought your Anointed was this Supernatural Art of the Dealmaker?  The Master Negotiator?  The Great Salesman?

Surely his ethereal powers of persuasion should have been enough to persuade us intransigents to His Great Cause should they have not?

He didn't need us.  He said so himself. 

Now, hacks like you charge those of us not in lockstep with your leader, of making him fail - and because we do not seig-heil him, we are somehow miraculously bringing pain and punishment on the American people.

Shouldn't your Art of the Dealmaker have been able to persuade us to support him and his agenda of MAGA?


What should he do with those in his own caucus praying and working for the failure of his agenda and by extension the man himself and the American people?

Maybe follow the suggestions of Trump's more rabid militants and call for us to be strung up by piano wire.  Seems to work for great leaders trying to make their country great again.

We will move forward without you ... again.

Remember this.

Then why do you keep looking over at those of us not marching with you and making us your projects of derision, chastisement, ridicule and threat?  You and your leaders in the Oligarchy told us to get out of your corrupt party.  We did.

Ignore us and march on under the banner of Trump if you are so cocksure of your cause and leader.

But no.  You won't.

You suffer from a seared conscience that is only going to become more agitated and spiteful as time goes on.
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Re: White House warns ‘potentially ambitious’ Republicans about 2020
« Reply #99 on: August 07, 2017, 08:18:04 pm »
We will move forward without you ... again.

Remember this.

Right now Trump can't even get out of his own way much less move forward.

The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years. The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.

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