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SpaceX drops plans for powered Dragon landings
« on: July 20, 2017, 11:54:36 am »
Space News by Jeff Foust  7/19/2017

SpaceX no longer plans to have the next version of its Dragon spacecraft be capable of powered landings, a move that has implications for the company’s long-term Mars plans.

SpaceX Chief Executive Elon Musk, speaking at the International Space Station Research and Development Conference here July 19, confirmed recent rumors that the version of the Dragon spacecraft under development for NASA’s commercial crew program will not have the ability to land on land using SuperDraco thrusters that will be incorporated into the spacecraft primarily as a launch abort system.

“It was a tough decision,” he said when asked about propulsive landing capability during a question-and-answer session. “Technically it still is, although you’d have to land it on some pretty soft landing pad because we’ve deleted the little legs that pop out of the heat shield.”

SpaceX planned to transition from splashdowns, which is how the current cargo version of the Dragon returns to Earth, to “propulsive” landings at a pad at some point after the vehicle’s introduction. Certification issues, he said, for propulsive landings led him to cancel those plans.

“It would have taken a tremendous amount of effort to qualify that for safety, particularly for crew transport,” he said.

Another reason for the change, he said, is that SpaceX had reconsidered what is the best way to land large spacecraft on the surface of Mars in support of the company’s long-term goals to establish a human presence there.

“There was a time that I thought the Dragon approach to landing Mars, where you’ve got a base heat shield and side-mounted thrusters, would be the right way to land on Mars,” he said. “Now I’m pretty confident that is not the right way and there’s a far better approach.”

He didn’t describe that alternative approach, but said that “the next generation of SpaceX rockets and spacecraft” will use that different landing technique. In a later tweet, though, Musk clarified that the alternative approach will also use a version of propulsive landing.

More: http://spacenews.com/spacex-drops-plans-for-powered-dragon-landings/

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Re: SpaceX drops plans for powered Dragon landings
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2017, 11:55:28 am »
Hmmmmmm......

Maybe it's time to look again at the spaceplane concept. A small one.

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Re: SpaceX drops plans for powered Dragon landings
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2017, 06:47:46 pm »
The Dragon 2 won't have propulsive landing because NASA likes the proven parachute drift-and-splash method.  But wow, you should see how much virtual throwing of chairs at the screen, and whiny tears over on the Facebook group for SpaceX fans.

The upshot is, the Dragon 2 won't go to Mars, at least not to the Martian surface, or, won't go there with humans aboard.  I'd expect SpaceX to take a shot at putting a Dragon 2 into orbit around Mars, sometime in the next couple of years, running it a few laps, then restarting engines for a return to Earth.  Pulling that off is obviously important for the prospects of sending colony ships to and from.  Mars has been notoriously difficult to hit, and, more to the point, parachutes won't work to land a craft with or without people aboard.

123 missions to the Moon (including failures and successes) since August 17, 1958.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_missions_to_the_Moon

Only 55 Mars attempts since October 10, 1960 -- but the average distance is almost 620 times greater.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_missions_to_Mars

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/spacecraft_planetary_mars.html

https://www.wired.com/2011/10/oct-24-1960-soviet-rocket-explodes-killing-top-engineers-technicians/

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Re: SpaceX drops plans for powered Dragon landings
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2017, 07:21:17 pm »
Putting a Dragon 2 into orbit around Mars, then restarting engines and returning it to Earth would also be a major first for SpaceX, as no one has done that before (or been able to, or apparently wanted to).

Using a non-human-rated propulsive landing vehicle on Mars will be a big priority for SpaceX -- assuming that the alleged dream of human colonization of Mars beginning in the next ten years or so isn't just a reach-exceeds-grasp pseudo-goal, or at least has recently become one.
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