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The Wrong Lessons From Reagan
« on: July 14, 2017, 09:27:19 pm »
The Wrong Lessons From Reagan

GOP candidates who call for ideological purity and no compromise learned nothing from the Gipper.

By Sarah Chamberlain, Contributor | May 8, 2015, at 5:00 a.m.

s the race for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination begins, some in the large field of candidates are working hard to invoke memories and comparisons to President Ronald Reagan. Like Reagan, they declare, they are pure and uncompromising conservatives, and just like the Great Communicator they can win both the nomination and the presidency even if the media considers them too ideological and extreme.
It’s true that the media underrated Reagan both before and during his presidency. But it’s also the case that candidates like Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, who cited Reagan in his announcement speech, are not drawing the right lessons from Reagan’s example and legacy.

For starters, Reagan never forgot that to win the nomination, he needed the support of the Republican Party as a whole, and not just the hard-right. Then as now, ideological conservatives provided much of the party’s energy and activism at the grassroots but were only a minority of the GOP. Reagan knew that he needed them on his side, but not at the expense of party unity or of alienating independents and moderate Democrats in the general election.
It was Reagan who popularized the Eleventh Commandment (“Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican”) because he understood that a Republican Party that was bitterly divided couldn’t win a general election. For example, can anyone seriously imagine Reagan angrily accusing a fellow Republican of supporting government-run health care simply because he or she wasn’t willing to shut down the federal government?

Reagan understood that the energy of conservatives had to be directed against Democrats, not moderate and business-minded Republicans. He warned that “a narrow sectarian party” would soon disappear “in a blaze of glorious defeat.”
Second, Reagan never believed that elections are won merely by mobilizing the “base” of a party’s dedicated supporters. He recognized the critical electoral importance of reaching-out to the persuadable middle as well. He felt that his focus on shrinking government and defeating communism was an optimistic, reasonable and responsible political faith that could appeal to groups that didn’t traditionally vote Republican. He convinced them that conservatism could improve their lives, and he won the presidency with the support of the “Reagan Democrats.”

Finally, Reagan understood that the purpose of politics is governing, and that under the framework established by our Founding Fathers, governing inevitably requires compromise. As both California governor and U.S. president, he had to negotiate with legislatures that were partially or wholly controlled by Democrats. He gladly accepted deals that entailed pragmatic trade-offs so long as they moved in what he considered the right direction. As he told aides on many occasions, “I’d rather get 80 percent of what I want than go over the cliff with my flag flying.”

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Re: The Wrong Lessons From Reagan
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2017, 09:37:21 pm »
Except that today's Republican Party is Reagans Democrat party.

So no...I'd rather go over the cliff.  I'd rather the American people see what they've all done so that MAYBE we can have an amicable divorce...rather than the murder-suicide we're currently headed for.
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Re: The Wrong Lessons From Reagan
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2017, 09:42:10 pm »
I'm laughing at the people who preach this crap.

Because of them, they have compromised themselves into full blown Socialism - and then DEFEND it by attacking those who refuse to surrender principle for "pragmatism".

They deceived themselves into a parrot-meme that getting 10% Conservatism and 90% Socialism is better than no Conservatism at all, while those refusing to compromise are declared the enemy of the good.

While ObamaCare becomes stamped with GOP approval and becomes one of their own eternal government entitlements as the John The Baptist of Single Payer.
Fart for freedom, fart for liberty and fart proudly.  - Benjamin Franklin

...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: The Wrong Lessons From Reagan
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2017, 09:45:15 pm »
@INVAR
Tell you what...you're ever in NC, you look me up and I'd be happy to buy you a round or two of your spirit of choice.
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Re: The Wrong Lessons From Reagan
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2017, 09:57:51 pm »
I'm laughing at the people who preach this crap.

Because of them, they have compromised themselves into full blown Socialism - and then DEFEND it by attacking those who refuse to surrender principle for "pragmatism".

They deceived themselves into a parrot-meme that getting 10% Conservatism and 90% Socialism is better than no Conservatism at all, while those refusing to compromise are declared the enemy of the good.

While ObamaCare becomes stamped with GOP approval and becomes one of their own eternal government entitlements as the John The Baptist of Single Payer.

WORD. Straight up word.

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Re: The Wrong Lessons From Reagan
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2017, 10:00:27 pm »
Ah, the establishment republican's (which typically is a democrat running in a republican district) favorite lecture.

Another way to read this is "sure we promised to repeal Obamacare/build a border wall/cut spending during the election but now that we're in we have no intention of following through. So shut up and don't be a purist".

« Last Edit: July 14, 2017, 10:02:50 pm by skeeter »

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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2017, 02:19:40 am »
Reagan also had a Democrat House of Representatives
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Re: The Wrong Lessons From Reagan
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2017, 02:38:44 am »
I'm laughing at the people who preach this crap.

Yup same old crap. They hated Reagan when he was alive but now proclaim how great he was as long as they can rewrite his history.

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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2017, 02:39:25 am »
Nobody seems to have learned the better lessons to be learned from Reagan's example.

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Re: The Wrong Lessons From Reagan
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2017, 02:49:10 am »
Nobody seems to have learned the better lessons to be learned from Reagan's example.

The best of Reagan in a perfect speech.

Righteous anger gave way to reconciliation and reaching out without compromising his principles.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBP2gvZTnwM&t=84s


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Re: The Wrong Lessons From Reagan
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2017, 04:29:41 am »
Except that today's Republican Party is Reagans Democrat party.

So no...I'd rather go over the cliff.  I'd rather the American people see what they've all done so that MAYBE we can have an amicable divorce...rather than the murder-suicide we're currently headed for.

This makes absolutely no sense @Axeslinger    :shrug:

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Re: The Wrong Lessons From Reagan
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2017, 04:30:31 am »
Quite clearly, those lessons are still mostly lost on the current generation.

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Re: The Wrong Lessons From Reagan
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2017, 04:30:41 am »
Nobody seems to have learned the better lessons to be learned from Reagan's example.

Half the voting public has no idea who Ronald Reagan is.  Maybe you should spend some time fixing THAT. 

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Re: The Wrong Lessons From Reagan
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2017, 04:32:31 am »
Half the voting public has no idea who Ronald Reagan is.  Maybe you should spend some time fixing THAT. 

/snicker

Who's more to blame, those who don't know Reagan at all, or those who do and yet still cannot learn the basic lessons from his example?

Oh, and btw, Trump is no Reagan.

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Re: The Wrong Lessons From Reagan
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2017, 05:03:47 am »
/snicker..../


You really should add your snicker to the end of your post --- like a signature.  When you start a post with it @Oceander I know the rest is not worth reading because it's desperate  :bs:

Just some friendly advice.   :smokin:


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Re: The Wrong Lessons From Reagan
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2017, 05:08:32 am »
You really should add your snicker to the end of your post --- like a signature.  When you start a post with it @Oceander I know the rest is not worth reading because it's desperate  :bs:

Just some friendly advice. 

You're full of all kinds of 'friendly' disparaging advice tonight aren't you toots?
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: The Wrong Lessons From Reagan
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2017, 05:10:54 am »
    Watch it there @INVAR that was real close to sexual harassment, we don't use that word anymore.
No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

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Re: The Wrong Lessons From Reagan
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2017, 05:11:44 am »
Anything to rationalize making the Republican circus normal. Baghdad Bob is now mainstream...

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Re: The Wrong Lessons From Reagan
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2017, 05:15:58 am »
   It is sad.









No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

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Re: The Wrong Lessons From Reagan
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2017, 05:53:16 am »
    Watch it there @INVAR that was real close to sexual harassment, we don't use that word anymore.

Well I do. 

I also use all the words that are nouns as found in Blazing Saddles.
Fart for freedom, fart for liberty and fart proudly.  - Benjamin Franklin

...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: The Wrong Lessons From Reagan
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Re: The Wrong Lessons From Reagan
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2017, 06:22:41 am »
The author is right, I read what some of the clowns at the other forum say, they didn't like Romney, they have no party loyalty. Well, if things aren't getting done, they should take a look in the mirror.

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Re: The Wrong Lessons From Reagan
« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2017, 06:39:30 am »
Anything to rationalize making the Republican circus normal. Baghdad Bob is now mainstream...

So is the circus....



Fart for freedom, fart for liberty and fart proudly.  - Benjamin Franklin

...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: The Wrong Lessons From Reagan
« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2017, 10:23:36 am »

Oh, and btw, Trump is no Reagan.

As an example of how fundamentally different they are Trump stood on stage and in his nomination acceptance speech and said "I alone can fix it".