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Why don't we have hydrogen cars?
« on: July 06, 2017, 04:25:03 am »
July 5, 2017
Why don't we have hydrogen cars?

"But hydrogen is still stuck in the prototype stage, struggling with high costs, competition from electric vehicles, and worries, perhaps exaggerated, about the risks." (NYT)

    As the United States retreats from its global leadership role on climate change, countries like Germany are aggressively moving ahead, testing all manner of clean energy initiatives....

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2017/07/why-dont-we-have-hydrogen-cars.html
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Offline Joe Wooten

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Re: Why don't we have hydrogen cars?
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2017, 07:39:00 am »
This has been hashed out several times. Hydrogen is a net energy loser, has poor volumetric energy density, metal embrittlement is a serious problem. If the German government wants to virtue signal by subsidizing research and production, let them waste their money. In the long run it will so them no good. There are only two ways to produce hydrogen - either cracking water through electrolysis or cracking natural gas. In both processes the energy required to make the hydrogen greatly exceeds the amount you get from burning it as a transportation fuel. And that IS including catalysts to aid in cracking the chemical bonds in both substances.

It does not pay off economically and never will.

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Re: Why don't we have hydrogen cars?
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2017, 08:41:45 am »
This has been hashed out several times. Hydrogen is a net energy loser, has poor volumetric energy density, metal embrittlement is a serious problem. If the German government wants to virtue signal by subsidizing research and production, let them waste their money. In the long run it will so them no good. There are only two ways to produce hydrogen - either cracking water through electrolysis or cracking natural gas. In both processes the energy required to make the hydrogen greatly exceeds the amount you get from burning it as a transportation fuel. And that IS including catalysts to aid in cracking the chemical bonds in both substances.

It does not pay off economically and never will.

Exactly.  It is a terrible fuel, or rather, terrible energy storage medium.  Way too lossy in both production and handling.
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Re: Why don't we have hydrogen cars?
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2017, 08:50:06 am »
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