LISTEN: Rush Limbaugh Attempts To Defend Himself Against Accusations Of Selling Out

[Machiavelli]

Is that old windbag still on the air?

 

[Machiavelli]

@TomSea
@jpsb
@roamer_1
@Frank Cannon

This is not an editorial by RedState. It is an article by one Susan Wright who, to me, has a blind hatred of Trump.

I don't know if she is representative of the overall attitude at RedState.

[LilLamb]

I still listen to Levin.  He's been very even-handed and consistent.

Mark Levin is the best.  I listen to him regularly. He gives Trump credit when its due. He gives much more information than the normal talk show hosts.

[the_doc]

@Sanguine
@LilLamb

Mark Levin is the best.  I listen to him regularly. He gives Trump credit when its due. He gives much more information than the normal talk show hosts.

Ditto that.  (I used to say ditto to most of what Rush said, but not so much anymore.) 

I also have to confess that Rush's over-the-top support of Trump did not surprise me--same with Hannity's occasionally poor judgment in that regard.

[Silver Pines]

@CatherineofAragon

You might enjoy this follow up to the Shapiro piece.

@Cripplecreek

Rush is a fraud.  I remember the day during the campaign when a caller asked him why he refused to talk about Trump's undeniable liberal history, and he began to detail it.  Rush's response dripped with sarcasm and condescension.  He laughed at the caller, pretty much mocked his opinion, and cut off the call without ever responding to the guy's points.  At the time, I was doing something in the bedroom, folding clothes or something, and I recall stopping and listening, fascinated.  I never tuned in again.  I didn't listen every day because I found him stale and boring at times, but that was it for me. 

I was told here that one call doesn't mean anything.  Well, yes, it does.  Rush got called on his refusal to address Trump's progressivism, he responded like someone who was caught, and didn't address the issue.  How many more calls would it have taken to make it plain?

My husband listened at work for a while longer, but then he told me he couldn't stand it anymore.  Husband said that every show was one long cheerleading session for Trump, and that he constantly repeated his "you don't understand Trump, let me explain him to you" crap, over and over and over.

I keep in touch with a former TOS member who worked with Rush at times.  He said Limbaugh, in his own mind, was still the unpopular fat kid who was entranced by having an "in" with the guy who might be president. 

[Silver Pines]

Don't see why anyone listens to any of the talking heads. They add no value. 

@EC

I enjoy Dana Loesch, but she's the only one I listen to.  I like her because she agrees with me on things outside the political sphere and because her show is drop-dead funny. 

[Silver Pines]

Yes conservatism is  a false theory right.    It doesnt work.   its evil

Thats what they teach up there right?

@driftdiver

@Cripplecreek didn't say it was evil; he said it isn't an over the counter miracle drug.  There's a vast amount of territory in between those two, right?

Besides, is he wrong?  If politics were the answer to everything, we wouldn't need Jesus.

[Silver Pines]

the NTs need their safe spaces.

@TomSea

Safe space...you mind like the one Trump supporters ran to on this forum during the election?

Like that?

[Silver Pines]

The liars that write for Red State are vile people.

@jpsb

Are they?  Why?

[driftdiver]

@driftdiver

@Cripplecreek didn't say it was evil; he said it isn't an over the counter miracle drug.  There's a vast amount of territory in between those two, right?

Besides, is he wrong?  If politics were the answer to everything, we wouldn't need Jesus.

@CatherineofAragon
Just wondering, do you seek me out to disagree with me?

[Silver Pines]

I still love Rush for many reasons, not the least of which is that he makes lefties' heads explode.  They literally HATE him.   They have that in common with quite a few Trump-bashers here.  And Rush is, as usual, laughing all the way to the bank.... as his bashers continue to flail blindly at him.  That's the reality.  Suck on it, lefties.  Suck on it good and hard.

@XenaLee

Like Steve Deace. Ben Shapiro, and others have said, at some point we have to move beyond "he insults liberals so he's great" and really expect something more.

[Cripplecreek]

@Cripplecreek

Rush is a fraud.  I remember the day during the campaign when a caller asked him why he refused to talk about Trump's undeniable liberal history, and he began to detail it.  Rush's response dripped with sarcasm and condescension.  He laughed at the caller, pretty much mocked his opinion, and cut off the call without ever responding to the guy's points.  At the time, I was doing something in the bedroom, folding clothes or something, and I recall stopping and listening, fascinated.  I never tuned in again.  I didn't listen every day because I found him stale and boring at times, but that was it for me. 

I was told here that one call doesn't mean anything.  Well, yes, it does.  Rush got called on his refusal to address Trump's progressivism, he responded like someone who was caught, and didn't address the issue.  How many more calls would it have taken to make it plain?

My husband listened at work for a while longer, but then he told me he couldn't stand it anymore.  Husband said that every show was one long cheerleading session for Trump, and that he constantly repeated his "you don't understand Trump, let me explain him to you" crap, over and over and over.

I keep in touch with a former TOS member who worked with Rush at times.  He said Limbaugh, in his own mind, was still the unpopular fat kid who was entranced by having an "in" with the guy who might be president.

I've never paid a lot of attention to Rush but I noticed during this past election just how similar Limbaugh's speech patterns are to Trump's. Sentences that trail off into nothing. Subjects change mid sentence. Questions "answered" with more questions. Its all the same incoherent BS.

[XenaLee]

@TomSea
@jpsb
@roamer_1
@Frank Cannon

This is not an editorial by RedState. It is an article by one Susan Wright who, to me, has a blind hatred of Trump.

I don't know if she is representative of the overall attitude at RedState.

And.... oddly enough.... I can't find any info on her at all.   This Rush-hating blogger seems to be invisible, other than a twitter account - @sweetiewalker.   Strange.  She could be anyone IRL.

[Silver Pines]

@CatherineofAragon
Just wondering, do you seek me out to disagree with me?

@driftdiver, yes, I do...I'm busted.  I've hardly been on here in two days, but I couldn't wait to get back so I could hunt you down and continue my vendetta. 

[Silver Pines]

I've never paid a lot of attention to Rush but I noticed during this past election just how similar Limbaugh's speech patterns are to Trump's. Sentences that trail off into nothing. Subjects change mid sentence. Questions "answered" with more questions. Its all the same incoherent BS.

@Cripplecreek

I don't know what he was like prior to 2004 or so, but I think he's way past his sell date. 

[XenaLee]

@XenaLee

Like Steve Deace. Ben Shapiro, and others have said, at some point we have to move beyond "he insults liberals so he's great" and really expect something more.

I don't. 

I detest lefties... and as long as Rush stands against them and continues to combat them via his radio show.... I'll stand by Rush.  I'm just funny that way. 

Rush is an entertainer.   When I listen to Rush, I am entertained.  It's not complex.  And I don't listen to or give a damn what people like Steve Deace or Ben Shapiro tell me "we have to do".
I do what I want and listen to who I please.

[Machiavelli]

@jpsb

Are they?  Why?

@CatherineofAragon
I posted this upthread:
@TomSea
@jpsb
@roamer_1
@Frank Cannon

This is not an editorial by RedState. It is an article by one Susan Wright who, to me, has a blind hatred of Trump.

I don't know if she is representative of the overall attitude at RedState.

From Wikipedia:

In August 2015, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump was disinvited from the annual RedState gathering following controversial statements he made about American journalist Megyn Kelly; Kelly was invited to the gathering instead. RedState was then one of the main centers of conservative opposition to Trump's campaign for the Presidency, with most of its writers and editors vocally opposing Trump

[Silver Pines]

I don't. 

I detest lefties... and as long as Rush stands against them and continues to combat them via his radio show.... I'll stand by Rush.  I'm just funny that way. 

Rush is an entertainer.   When I listen to Rush, I am entertained.  It's not complex.  And I don't listen to or give a damn what people like Steve Deace or Ben Shapiro tell me "we have to do".
I do what I want and listen to who I please.

@XenaLee

I'm happy for you.

Wanting to move beyond the game of insult politics doesn't mean a person likes liberals. 

[Machiavelli]

Rush is a fraud.  I remember the day during the campaign when a caller asked him why he refused to talk about Trump's undeniable liberal history, and he began to detail it.  Rush's response dripped with sarcasm and condescension.  He laughed at the caller, pretty much mocked his opinion, and cut off the call without ever responding to the guy's points.  At the time, I was doing something in the bedroom, folding clothes or something, and I recall stopping and listening, fascinated.  I never tuned in again.  I didn't listen every day because I found him stale and boring at times, but that was it for me. 

I was told here that one call doesn't mean anything.  Well, yes, it does.  Rush got called on his refusal to address Trump's progressivism, he responded like someone who was caught, and didn't address the issue.  How many more calls would it have taken to make it plain?

My husband listened at work for a while longer, but then he told me he couldn't stand it anymore.  Husband said that every show was one long cheerleading session for Trump, and that he constantly repeated his "you don't understand Trump, let me explain him to you" crap, over and over and over.

I keep in touch with a former TOS member who worked with Rush at times.  He said Limbaugh, in his own mind, was still the unpopular fat kid who was entranced by having an "in" with the guy who might be president.

@CatherineofAragon

I loved Rush for years but his best years are behind him, far behind. I had hoped that he would retire after his contract ran out last year, but I knew that his ego would not permit it.

[musiclady]

I don't call Limbaugh or others "sell outs" because I don't believe they're conservative in the first place. They've made a living pitching conservatism as if it were some kind of miracle over the counter drug when its clearly not.

I realized that late in the game, @Cripplecreek .   I actually thought Rush WAS a conservative until the spring of 2016 when he revealed that he truly is no more than an entertainer, choosing the populist side.

Everything he said he believed in, he threw out the window when he fell in love with Trump.

He's not a 'sell out'........ he was a complete phony before.


Now I know.


And have three lovely hours in the afternoon where I do anything but listen to the radio.   He's lost a lot of listeners, but he doesn't give a rip because he probably picked up some faux conservatives who love Trump too.....   

[XenaLee]

@XenaLee

I'm happy for you.

Wanting to move beyond the game of insult politics doesn't mean a person likes liberals.

Wanting to and actually doing so are two entirely different realities, however.   As you should know (by now).....most of the insults are coming from the rabid left.... NOT from Rush Limbaugh.   So good luck with that.... since the left will never ever quit with their "insult politics" strategy.  It's who and what they are and have always been.

[musiclady]

@XenaLee

I'm happy for you.

Wanting to move beyond the game of insult politics doesn't mean a person likes liberals.

 

Actually, I dislike liberals more than before, because so many of them are claiming to be on "our side."


But aren't.

[EC]

And have three lovely hours in the afternoon where I do anything but listen to the radio.   He's lost a lot of listeners, but he doesn't give a rip because he probably picked up some faux conservatives who love Trump too.....   

I usually have Classic FM on. Peaceful.

[Silver Pines]

@CatherineofAragon
I posted this upthread:
@TomSea
@jpsb
@roamer_1
@Frank Cannon

This is not an editorial by RedState. It is an article by one Susan Wright who, to me, has a blind hatred of Trump.

I don't know if she is representative of the overall attitude at RedState.

From Wikipedia:

@Machiavelli

I'm not familiar with Susan Wright and you could be right about her.  I remember when Erick Erickson disinvited Trump to that gathering; he did so after Trump made the "blood coming out of her wherever" remark about Megyn Kelly.  TOS went wild with hate for Erickson, and it was one of the earlier indications to me that they were going nuts over there.  I think Erickson did the appropriate thing.

I'd still like to hear why @jpsb thinks Redstate is vile.  They're not a Trump fan site, so I'm guessing that's it.

[Silver Pines]

@CatherineofAragon

I loved Rush for years but his best years are behind him, far behind. I had hoped that he would retire after his contract ran out last year, but I knew that his ego would not permit it.

@Machiavelli

I expect you're right.  How long has he been doing that show, do you know?

[Silver Pines]

Actually, I dislike liberals more than before, because so many of them are claiming to be on "our side."


But aren't.

@musiclady

It's part of the reason we have Trump.  People loved his campaign insults.  Okay, great, sometimes they were funny, and liberals are mad.  What now?

[musiclady]

@Machiavelli

I'm not familiar with Susan Wright and you could be right about her.  I remember when Erick Erickson disinvited Trump to that gathering; he did so after Trump made the "blood coming out of her wherever" remark about Megyn Kelly.  TOS went wild with hate for Erickson, and it was one of the earlier indications to me that they were going nuts over there.  I think Erickson did the appropriate thing.

I'd still like to hear why @jpsb thinks Redstate is vile.  They're not a Trump fan site, so I'm guessing that's it.

I'm sure that's all there is to it.

The other day he came right out and said he hated us.

If  Red State doesn't like Trump, he hates them.   Period.   

[the_doc]

@musiclady
@Sanguine

@musiclady

It's part of the reason we have Trump.  People loved his campaign insults.  Okay, great, sometimes they were funny, and liberals are mad.  What now?

@CatherineofAragon, your two-word question hits the problematical nail right on the head!

[Machiavelli]

@Machiavelli

I'm not familiar with Susan Wright and you could be right about her.  I remember when Erick Erickson disinvited Trump to that gathering; he did so after Trump made the "blood coming out of her wherever" remark about Megyn Kelly.

I thought the comment by Trump was vile and inexcusable, and even though I now support him, I still think so.

TOS went wild with hate for Erickson, and it was one of the earlier indications to me that they were going nuts over there.

Those who went that way are cultists. Conservatives should not be cultists.

I think Erickson did the appropriate thing.

I don't. I thought it was sanctimonious to dis-invite Trump.

I'd still like to hear why @jpsb thinks Redstate is vile.  They're not a Trump fan site, so I'm guessing that's it.

I think you may be onto something.  ^-^

[Cripplecreek]

@musiclady

It's part of the reason we have Trump.  People loved his campaign insults.  Okay, great, sometimes they were funny, and liberals are mad.  What now?

During the campaign they were speaking in glowing terms of those wonderful crossover voters who were voting for Trump.

As it is Trump's unelected idiot daughter is now pushing for universal child care/maternity leave while her idiot father is telling the unions to come see him because his door is always open to them.

[musiclady]

@musiclady

It's part of the reason we have Trump.  People loved his campaign insults.  Okay, great, sometimes they were funny, and liberals are mad.  What now?

It seemed to me that that's why Rush fell head over heels with Trump.   He insulted people.

But you're right to ask, @CatherineofAragon .    What now?   The liberals are furious.  Where does someone who claims to be a 'leader' go from there?

It's satisfying in a visceral way to stick the libs in the eye, but what does it do toward accomplishing conservative goals?

Once I realized that Rush didn't really have conservative goals, I understood what had happened to him, and why I no longer could listen.

[Machiavelli]

How long has he been doing that show, do you know?

IIRC, his national program began in August of 1988.

[Silver Pines]

@musiclady
@Sanguine
@CatherineofAragon, your two-word question hits the problematical nail right on the head!

@the_doc

Thank you. 

[Silver Pines]

IIRC, his national program began in August of 1988.

@Machiavelli

Anybody would become stale after thirty years.

[Right_in_Virginia]

It seemed to me that that's why Rush fell head over heels with Trump.   He insulted people. 

Actually Rush never "fell head over heels" with candidate Trump ... or anyone else.  He actually gave quite a bit of airtime to Cruz and Rubio during the primaries.

Once it looked like Trump had the nomination locked up, Rush was relieved.  During this segment on his show, if you'd actually listened to it, you would have heard him explain why:  Rush always felt Donald Trump was the only Republican who could beat Hillary Clinton in the national election.  Nothing more and nothing less.

And, Rush was right.  No need to second guess him now.   ^-^

[Sanguine]

@the_doc

Thank you.

Yes, Catherine is always good with words.

[roamer_1]

This is not an editorial by RedState. It is an article by one Susan Wright who, to me, has a blind hatred of Trump.

I don't know if she is representative of the overall attitude at RedState.

@Machiavelli

I almost replied previously, but let it go.
Your argument is ad-hominem. On point is not whether Wright or RedState, or even 'Trump hate'...

The argument is whether the accusation is true or not.

Accusation naturally comes from detractors - Especially so in Trumps case. Had we only the view of his fans, the only argument would be whether his flatulence smells of Marigold or Lilac.

@CatherineofAragon
@jpsb
@Frank Cannon

[Silver Pines]

During the campaign they were speaking in glowing terms of those wonderful crossover voters who were voting for Trump.

As it is Trump's unelected idiot daughter is now pushing for universal child care/maternity leave while her idiot father is telling the unions to come see him because his door is always open to them.

@Cripplecreek

Ivanka's child care dealings are kept pretty quiet, aren't they...

[Silver Pines]

It seemed to me that that's why Rush fell head over heels with Trump.   He insulted people.

But you're right to ask, @CatherineofAragon .    What now?   The liberals are furious.  Where does someone who claims to be a 'leader' go from there?

It's satisfying in a visceral way to stick the libs in the eye, but what does it do toward accomplishing conservative goals?

Once I realized that Rush didn't really have conservative goals, I understood what had happened to him, and why I no longer could listen.

@musiclady, you're exactly right--it is satisfying in a visceral way.  As someone who has temper issues, I get that, lol.  But I'm afraid we're going to let the crooks in Washington slide by without getting things done because we're preoccupied with scoring points off progressives.

[Silver Pines]

Yes, Catherine is always good with words.

@Sanguine, that's really nice of you...thank you.  Lord knows there are lots of people on the forum who are better. 

[Silver Pines]

I thought the comment by Trump was vile and inexcusable, and even though I now support him, I still think so.
Those who went that way are cultists. Conservatives should not be cultists.
I don't. I thought it was sanctimonious to dis-invite Trump.
I think you may be onto something.  ^-^

@Machiavelli

I would never mistake you for a cultist.  As for Erickson, he attends seminary, so I understand his motivation for cutting Trump from the list.

[jpsb]

@jpsb

Are they?  Why?

@CatherineofAragon

http://dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/3279/The-Rights-Trump-Lexicon.aspx

[driftdiver]

@driftdiver, yes, I do...I'm busted.  I've hardly been on here in two days, but I couldn't wait to get back so I could hunt you down and continue my vendetta.

@CatherineofAragon

Well thanks for the patronizing response.  I really appreciate you butting into discussions which have nothing to do with you.  Just so you can defend someone you thought was wronged.

Where were you when @Cripplecreek was calling me a pedophile and terrorist just because I disagreed with him?

[Sanguine]

@CatherineofAragon

Well thanks for the patronizing response.  I really appreciate you butting into discussions which have nothing to do with you.  Just so you can defend someone you thought was wronged.

Where were you when @Cripplecreek was calling me a pedophile and terrorist just because I disagreed with him?

Um, gonna butt in here.  I think it was a no-longer-here member who called you those names, and any member is free to comment on any thread here. What am I missing? 

[Cripplecreek]

Um, gonna butt in here.  I think it was a no-longer-here member who called you those names, and any member is free to comment on any thread here. What am I missing?

I'd like to see that post myself.

[Silver Pines]

@CatherineofAragon

Well thanks for the patronizing response.  I really appreciate you butting into discussions which have nothing to do with you.  Just so you can defend someone you thought was wronged.

Where were you when @Cripplecreek was calling me a pedophile and terrorist just because I disagreed with him?

@driftdiver

Wasn't meant to be patronizing.  I haven't kept count of how many times I've disagreed with you, or not, so your post struck me as odd.  Anyway, we all disagree a lot here, don't we?

As for butting in, this is a public forum and I'll continue to post to whomever I like, whether or not I'm directly addressed first.  Hope you can deal with that.

Where was I...?  Elsewhere, clearly. 

[Silver Pines]

@CatherineofAragon

http://dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/3279/The-Rights-Trump-Lexicon.aspx

@jpsb

So it's what I expected---Redstate is "vile" because it isn't a Trump fan site.

By the way, I really hope you, as a Trump supporter, aren't going to raise objections to harsh/crude language, because I can lay down chapter and verse concerning Trump's mouth.  Just a couple of more recent examples include his his p-grabbing remark, and the dubious achievement of being the first presidential candidate insecure enough to mention the size of his genitals on a worldwide stage.

[Cripplecreek]

@jpsb

So it's what I expected---Redstate is "vile" because it isn't a Trump fan site.

By the way, I really hope you, as a Trump supporter, aren't going to raise objections to harsh/crude language, because I can lay down chapter and verse concerning Trump's mouth.  Just a couple of more recent examples include his his p-grabbing remark, and the dubious achievement of being the first presidential candidate insecure enough to mention the size of his genitals on a worldwide stage.

Funny how they need a fainting couch these days and even calling them snowflakes will bring a rebuke from a moderator.

[Sanguine]

@CatherineofAragon

http://dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/3279/The-Rights-Trump-Lexicon.aspx

OK, help me out.  There are two out of context quotes by a Ben Howe from Redstate, amongst the 19 pages (if you print it out) of quotes from other sites that Diana West has collected.  That's your evidence?  Not sure it rises to the level you described it as.

[INVAR]

I do what I want and listen to who I please.

Absolutely you should! 

However, I do not think you are going to experience a lot of agreement or trust in what Rush says on his show anymore.

The talk radio kings have demonstrated to me (an almost 3 decades long listener), that they are merely entertainment and that they really do not believe in what they 'preach'.

So I no longer regard them (except maybe for Levin who I think has an acute case of battered wife syndrome) as voices of Conservative thought. 

But you should listen to, and enjoy whomever tickles your fancy.

Which is why when I am in the dumps - I pop Spinal Tap into my player or hit their playlist on my iPod.

There is nothing close to the kinds of logic that one hears from them.

Because as you know, there is a fine line between clever.... and stupid.