GOP rep. received threatening email with subject line 'One down, 216 to go...' after lawmaker shooting

[Mesaclone]

Nice of you to finally add "Left-wing". Feel free to go back to my first post in the thread, where I used the term Left wing to describe the shooter.

You have distorted that context by conflating Conservatives who found Trump too liberal with Liberals. NO ONE on the Right has a d@mned thing to do with this. Correction, no one on the Right OR the Left directly has a "d@mned thing"
 to do with this. Indirectly, those who create an environment of hate towards the president and his party are making a "safe space" for idiots like the shooter.

Your unnecessarily trying to make that association through the idea that a Bernie supporter who is politically diametrically opposed to Conservatives is one of us is unmitigated bullshit. This guy was a NeverTrumper...as are most Bernie supporters. Some on the right are as well. Those are not opinions, just the facts of the situation.
 
Don't weaselword it with the crap that anyone who wouldn't vote for Trump is on the same side. No need to "weasel word" anything, as I've never made such a claim. They are obviously on opposite ends of the political spectrum...yet both are contributing to an environment that gives creeps like the shooter encouragement for his insanity.

It only undermines whatever shreds of credibility you might have.My credibility is equal to your own in every way...though that may not be a particularly high bar.
So what is your purpose in needlessly and egregiously stirring up enmity here by unnecessarily taking a poke at the many people on this forum who did not support Trump? There is a far cry between those who didn't support Trump,
 and those who are NeverTrumpers....I certainly would never conflate the two.Making friends? Winning hearts and minds? We have been far more fair to him than you have been to us, and this is a GLARING example.Winning hearts and minds without honesty would be pointless...so if both can't be achieved, I choose honesty.

Again, nobody on the Left or Right is directly responsible for this horrific event. The shooter himself gets all of that blame. This does not mean we ignore context and speech that normalize a vitriolic hatred of the president and his supporters...at attitude and behavior that is anything but "fair to him". 

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

What does trump have to do with this.

[Wingnut]

What does trump have to do with this.

Who the hell knows.  Its just Mescoline talking out his ass again...as usual.

[austingirl]

I think this is  only a start of the hate boiling over.

I also think we would be seeing the same thing from the far right if H would have been elected.

I do not believe for one second that the right would react violently if Hitlery were elected. The right did not act out when Bammy was elected- twice.

[Mesaclone]

What does trump have to do with this.

Hatred of him and his supporters fueled this guy...that's the connection. The Left has taken that hatred to level of vitriol that is spurring violence...almost perceiving it as insurgency or "resistance".

[INVAR]

Don't weaselword it with the crap that anyone who wouldn't vote for Trump is on the same side.

He just did.

Which is fine.

I don't find much difference between the Trump Militant and Antifa either.

[Smokin Joe]

That's just twisted and sick.

This gunman was a hardcore NeverTrump and Bernie Sanders supporting guy who apparently wrote extensive on-line anti-Trump rantings.

Nope, not there, nothing about "Left-Wing" Nevertrumps, just the sweeping gob of manure.  WTF does Trump have to do with a Congressman getting shot anyway?

This whole left wing hate stuff is out of control...plays about killing the president, fake beheadings of him....that kind of talk has consequences. I oppose banning any kind of political speech, but these folks saying and doing these disturbing anti-Trump hate cannot dodge responsibility when the result is this kind of assault and atmosphere. They can't be dealt with in legal terms, but that does not mean they can't be called out and ostracized from the rational body politic.

I agree this left-wing crap is out of control. Consider that those of us who didn't consider Trump Conservative enough consider you to be to the Left of us, and you will see you only add to it. You are making this all about Trump. About people who didn't support Trump, when you could have typed less and simply said a Bernie supporter. So, yeah, in light of the last post you made to me, weasel words. Thanks for playing, lefty.

[jmyrlefuller]

Again, nobody on the Left or Right is directly responsible for this horrific event. The shooter himself gets all of that blame.

The shooter was on the Left.

This does not mean we ignore context and speech that normalize a vitriolic hatred of the president and his supporters.

It doesn't mean Trump gets a free pass. He doesn't. He's a wretched piece of garbage of a human being. But neither he nor anyone else deserves to be physically taken out. We have legal, civil processes to take these types of people out of power.

Your condescending attitude toward those processes (how many times have you mocked those who even consider not voting for him in 2020?) is what prompts people to resort to radical measures like the ones taken by this left-wing would-be assassin. If we as a population actually used good judgment, we wouldn't even be having this conversation because we'd actually have a competent President people would respect.

[bigheadfred]

I do not believe for one second that the right would react violently if Hitlery were elected. The right did not act out when Bammy was elected- twice.

There is a lot of hate in the world. 

[Mesaclone]

Nope, not there, nothing about "Left-Wing" Nevertrumps, just the sweeping gob of manure.  WTF does Trump have to do with a Congressman getting shot anyway?

Did you somehow miss THIS part of my FIRST post on the thread?
This gunman was a hardcore NeverTrump and Bernie Sanders supporting guy who apparently wrote extensive on-line anti-Trump rantings. This whole left wing hate stuff is out of control

I agree this left-wing crap is out of control. Consider that those of us who didn't consider Trump Conservative enough consider you to be to the Left of us, and you will see you only add to it. You are making this all about Trump. About people who didn't support Trump, when you could have typed less and simply said a Bernie supporter. So, yeah, in light of the last post you made to me, weasel words. Thanks for playing, lefty. I didn't make it about Trump, the shooter did...quite openly and clearly in his online rantings. The only connection I drew was between the vitriol aimed at Trump and his supporters...which, as you are demonstrating, is far from limited to just the Left wing NeverTrumpers.

I haven't got a "Left" bone in me...hint of libertarianism on drug and religion issues, and hard core right on military, market and personal freedom issues. So you're barking up the wrong tree with that accusation...as you generally are in your view of Trump supporters.

[Smokin Joe]

I haven't got a "Left" bone in me...hint of libertarianism on drug and religion issues, and hard core right on military, market and personal freedom issues. So you're barking up the wrong tree with that accusation...as you generally are in your view of Trump supporters.

LOL Liar. You know full well I didn't miss it. In fact if you wanted to cite the politics of the shooter, that bit of bold print is all you needed, and I said so, so you know I didn't miss it, nor did I miss what you intended when you put "nevertrump" (sans "left-wing") FIRST.

Peddle that nonsense to someone who might believe you, pal, I know bullshit when I see it. We did not support the man because he had a liberal past and some liberal leanings. You did. That puts you to our left, as in more Liberal. QED.

The only vitriolic hatred flying around here is being spewed at those who didn't support Trump by those who just can't stand our lack of obeisance. We aren't spewing it at Trump. You could have made your point about the Socialist lover without even going there, you seem intelligent enough, so either you did it to incite, or I was wrong and you aren't as smart as I gave you credit for.

[INVAR]

...so either you did it to incite, or I was wrong and you aren't as smart as I gave you credit for.

Go with incite.

That is his M.O.

[Smokin Joe]

Go with incite.

That is his M.O.

Well, @INVAR , I was trying to have faith in the goodness of my fellow man, even if he isn't too bright.
After all, I make mistakes, too.

[INVAR]

Well, @INVAR , I was trying to have faith in the goodness of my fellow man, even if he isn't too bright.
After all, I make mistakes, too.

The fruits are pretty self-evident.

[DCPatriot]

We haven't even seen the start of it yet.

As the Dems Trump/Putin Punch and Judy show collapses in on itself, the Dem street thugs - who've been BS-ed into expecting to see Trump impeached and possibly arrested - are going to riot.

Holder and Lynch's race riots will pale in comparison.

This is going to be one very hot summer indeed.

It's a shame we won't be able to prosecute the Congressional cretins who cooked this up for Sedition and Incitement To Riot.

Hmmmm.... not to hijack here, but the Merriweather-MacGregor fight on August 26th could be a fuse of sorts too....if the wife-beater goes down.

....gotta be ready for anything.   They politicize EVERYTHING!

[libertybele]

The shooter was on the Left.
 It doesn't mean Trump gets a free pass. He doesn't. He's a wretched piece of garbage of a human being. But neither he nor anyone else deserves to be physically taken out. We have legal, civil processes to take these types of people out of power.

Your condescending attitude toward those processes (how many times have you mocked those who even consider not voting for him in 2020?) is what prompts people to resort to radical measures like the ones taken by this left-wing would-be assassin. If we as a population actually used good judgment, we wouldn't even be having this conversation because we'd actually have a competent President people would respect.

"He's a wretched piece of garbage of a human being".  Those are very strong words JMY. No, I have never been a DJT fan, but as our President, I think he deserves some credit where credit is due.  This is a man who I believe has demonstrated leadership, respect for our country, respect for our Constitution and most recently compassion for a  Congressman who was just shot ... yet you call him a piece of garbage?? 

[Gefn]

There is a lot of hate in the world.

Yes it's a scarey place. Is it me or has the computer age made us more aware of the evil in the world where before we were more insular?

Also, didn't we grow up to respect our presidents, senators, etc even if we didn't agree with them?

[DCPatriot]

The shooter was on the Left.


It doesn't mean Trump gets a free pass. He doesn't. He's a wretched piece of garbage of a human being. But neither he nor anyone else deserves to be physically taken out. We have legal, civil processes to take these types of people out of power.

Your condescending attitude toward those processes (how many times have you mocked those who even consider not voting for him in 2020?) is what prompts people to resort to radical measures like the ones taken by this left-wing would-be assassin. If we as a population actually used good judgment, we wouldn't even be having this conversation because we'd actually have a competent President people would respect.

You're full of it.    You'd have Madam President Hillary Rodham Clinton.

You'd have a Progressive/Activist Supreme Court...

You'd have no Southern border enforcement...

You'd have a compiled dossier on millions of Americans from illegal data mining.

[Mod1]

Settle down, folks. Stay on topic.

[DCPatriot]

Settle down, folks. Stay on topic.

We all agreed here a couple weeks ago that posts like "...he's a wretched piece of garbage as a human being" is right up there with "Orange Baboon".

It's a gratuitous attack on the President and by extension, his supporters.

...and should be pointed out.

@mystery-ak @Mod1

[Mod1]

No need to point anything out if the moderator already has addressed it. That's why we requested that all posters stay on topic. In this case, it's the threatening email sent to a member of Congress.

But it should be noted that criticism of or commentary on the president, his policies or actions is not the functional equivalent of a personal attack on TBR posters who support him.

[Jazzhead]

Why don't you confine your characterization of the shooter as a hardcore Bernie supporter and leave Conservative nevertrump folks the bleep out of it? Quit trying to conflate us with the Liberals you are politically closer to.

I'll gladly do a time-out to ask you that.You're as bad as the effing Dems.

Yeah, I spelled it out with no frills to get past the filter, but the question and the characterization remain. You would think you have enough enemies with out gratuitously pissing off possible friends.

I'm with mesaclone.   I'm sure folks will remember how strongly I opposed Trump last year.   But mesaclone's right - bloodsport and nihilism is huffed like paint by some "conservatives" too.   The office of the Presidency used to command respect, no matter that it was occupied by a member of the opposite party or ideology.   You accept the results - you accept the verdict of the people - and work to change things next time.   Some of the NeverTrump rhetoric I'm seeing is just as hateful and unAmerican as that coming from the leftist lunatics.  Here's a nugget from yesterday: 

 

When it finally dawns on enough Conservatives and Republicans that we can no longer co-exist with the other half of the population in this country

The future is unwritten.  Count me as one small voice who'd like to see responsible folks from all walks of life speak out against destructive, devisive tribalism.   

[INVAR]

I'm with mesaclone.    Some of the NeverTrump rhetoric I'm seeing is just as hateful and unAmerican as that coming from the leftist lunatics.

We cannot tell your rhetoric apart from leftist lunatics at all if it's any consolation.

 

The future is unwritten. 

But history is written, and it does not waver much when human nature and declining cultures are involved.

[Jazzhead]

We cannot tell your rhetoric apart from leftist lunatics at all if it's any consolation.

I'm not the one claiming that conservatives can no longer co-exist with the rest of the nation.   You want a civil war?   Take your evil crap elsewhere.   If only someone had slapped down Hodgkinson a good man wouldn't be fighting for his life today.   

[INVAR]

I'm not the one claiming that conservatives can no longer co-exist with the rest of the nation.

You're obviously not paying attention or listening to what is going on out there.  No big surprise.   

You want a civil war? 

If I 'wanted one' I would not be spending my time on a discussion forum warning people about where we have arrived.  I'd be busy talking about arming up and taking down the 'enemy'.

Take your evil crap elsewhere.

How about you first?