Trump-Hate on TBR Overwhelming or Overblown?

[mystery-ak]

We all know you are talking about me. You can shove it.

Wingnut needs to subpoena you!

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

[Wingnut]

Wingnut needs to subpoena you!

I just named @Frank Cannon as the Special Assistant to the Independent Counsel.  He is subpoenaless.

[bigheadfred]

you have knowledge

you have experience

stop it



and  then get one or three

wis

dom

[mystery-ak]

WTH bigheadfred..you didn't think that was going to stay up......come on guys..this is a beautiful and solemn day...let's chill out!

[Wingnut]

   Appointing @Wingnut Special Prosecutor is akin to appointing Dick Cheney to head your VP Selection Committee, it's a foregone conclusion and besides he's too conspiratorial to judge this objectively.

@corbe I know the law. And I have spent my entire life in its flagrant disregard.   Now ordinarily, I'd take you in my court and try you and hang you for those disparaging remarks upon my character.  But if you've got money for whiskey, I guess we can dispense with those proceedings. 

[Silver Pines]

We all know you are talking about me. You can shove it.

@Frank Cannon


Lmao, you crank

(said with affection)

[corbe]

   Sure @Wingnut I got some Bourbon, stole a case of this out of @Frank Cannon garage last week, looked everywhere for his Valiums, to no avail, he must carry them on his person at all times, in case he meets a Cruzer.

[Wingnut]

   Sure @Wingnut I got some Bourbon, stole a case of this out of @Frank Cannon garage last week, looked everywhere for his Valiums, to no avail, he must carry them on his person at all times, in case he meets a Cruzer.

Case dismissed!

[Bigun]

I don't know which are worst but together the AT crowd and the NT crowd have pretty effectively shut down any objective discussion of anything here IMHO.

[truth_seeker]

WTH bigheadfred..you didn't think that was going to stay up......come on guys..this is a beautiful and solemn day...let's chill out!

[DCPatriot]

The poll is to be run and rerun, until the desired result is achieved, and Trump supporters are put in their proper place here.

That was and remains  the true purpose, and expected outcome.

HEAR!  HEAR!!   

[corbe]

I don't know which are worst but together the AT crowd and the NT crowd have pretty effectively shut down any objective discussion of anything here IMHO.

   I respectfully disagree @Bigun
   Sure, there are some Topics where the few Hardcores (NT&AT) get their panties all waded up, but as a whole, maybe attesting to my limited capacity to judge fairly, I can usually recognize when the food fights are about to start and do my damndest to keep out of the weeds, Been there, got beat up, they stole my TShirt.

[corbe]

HEAR!  HEAR!!   

  @DCPatriot
   If you and your Compatriots hadn't skewed the First Poll like you did all online polling during the GOP Primary, this would pretty much be a non issue.
   Old habits are hard to break-Hank Jr. 

[Wingnut]

  @DCPatriot
   If you and your Compatriots hadn't skewed the First Poll like you did all online polling during the GOP Primary, this would pretty much be a non issue.
   Old habits are hard to break-Hank Jr.

Those are unsubstantiated allegations.   You will refrain from these hearsay and broad brush strokes knee jerk statements or I'll find you in contempt! 

[DCPatriot]

  @DCPatriot
   If you and your Compatriots hadn't skewed the First Poll like you did all online polling during the GOP Primary, this would pretty much be a non issue.
   Old habits are hard to break-Hank Jr.

I don't know what you're talking about.

My point was that "guests" should not be able to partake on this poll if you're really seeking an honest answer.

And of course, aggressive anti-Trump members will be sure to vote...making it IMPOSSIBLE for anything but "OVERBLOWN" to win.

Trump supporters are out-numbered on this forum at LEAST 4 to 1.

[bigheadfred]

Today.

 Today>.......>>>>

STOP

IT

@mystery-ak

NOT

 TODAY

THAT is where THEY should.

[andy58-in-nh]

 That bottle of whiskey is starting to look real good right about now.  Hell, I'm gonna go get me some.

[corbe]

[INVAR]

Well let's just cut to the chase, if the Trump-hate is 'overwhelming' on this board, why do the Trump Faithful and Apologists continue to post here?

Do they think they can 'save us' from the error of our opinion?

Do they think they can drive us from this board they way they have just about every other single formerly Conservative forum out there?

Do they think they do the object of their affections any service by poking and instigating each and every opportunity to declare us part of the enemy?

It's not like those of us who are not marching in lock-step to cheerlead everything Trump does and says are going to change our minds simply because we are 'embarrassed' that a majority here are not Trump fanatics.  As with every other political issue that exists, to disagree is to 'hate', to refuse to support and join the cause, is to 'hate'.  It's just the new PC way to silence dissent and debate.

What has been illustrative in terms of real-hate, is not the ambivalence and indifference the majority has for Trump, (they will applaud when he serves rightly and excoriate him for when he does disservice) but in what other members here have for those who have refused to 'get on the train':

Reply #223 on: May 24, 2017, 01:14:31 PM

I embrace the hatred I have for the likes of you and your ilk here on the forum.

I don't deny it.

You, OTOH, get your panties all twisted, because your "hatred" of Pres. Trump...AND his supporters...has been on full display here for all to see.

To disagree is to 'hate'.  This is what now exists in terms of the internecine warfare that now engulfs what remains of Conservatism.   And it is not going away.

Because the country is now polarized into camp thinking.  Either you are in lock-step with us, or you are to be counted as the enemy and dealt with as one.  No one has the luxury of their principles or the liberty to choose differently, because - the country is at stake.

So it is said.

This is one of the last refuges online for Conservatives to gather and discuss our principles in light of events without having to be wearing MAGA headgear and t-shirts while waving his flag.  Most of us newer members have come here from somewhere else that we were no longer welcome at because we dared to question or refuse support of Trump, and it appears to us that the idea of a 'Conservative board' that does not support Trump must be discredited and it's members harassed and impugned.

Some of them engage in that stuff by badmouthing THIS board on the other boards and forums where they are ALL in lockstep with no dissent permitted or allowed.

If Trump *hate* is overwhelming here - and Trump *love* is the most important thing to discuss, why do they continue to hang here when they have plenty of other places to be among like minds?

[Silver Pines]

Well let's just cut to the chase, if the Trump-hate is 'overwhelming' on this board, why do the Trump Faithful and Apologists continue to post here?

Do they think they can 'save us' from the error of our opinion?

Do they think they can drive us from this board they way they have just about every other single formerly Conservative forum out there?

Do they think they do the object of their affections any service by poking and instigating each and every opportunity to declare us part of the enemy?

It's not like those of us who are not marching in lock-step to cheerlead everything Trump does and says are going to change our minds simply because we are 'embarrassed' that a majority here are not Trump fanatics.  As with every other political issue that exists, to disagree is to 'hate', to refuse to support and join the cause, is to 'hate'.  It's just the new PC way to silence dissent and debate.

What has been illustrative in terms of real-hate, is not the ambivalence and indifference the majority has for Trump, (they will applaud when he serves rightly and excoriate him for when he does disservice) but in what other members here have for those who have refused to 'get on the train':

To disagree is to 'hate'.  This is what now exists in terms of the internecine warfare that now engulfs what remains of Conservatism.   And it is not going away.

Because the country is now polarized into camp thinking.  Either you are in lock-step with us, or you are to be counted as the enemy and dealt with as one.  No one has the luxury of their principles or the liberty to choose differently, because - the country is at stake.

So it is said.

This is one of the last refuges online for Conservatives to gather and discuss our principles in light of events without having to be wearing MAGA headgear and t-shirts while waving his flag.  Most of us newer members have come here from somewhere else that we were no longer welcome at because we dared to question or refuse support of Trump, and it appears to us that the idea of a 'Conservative board' that does not support Trump must be discredited and it's members harassed and impugned.

Some of them engage in that stuff by badmouthing THIS board on the other boards and forums where they are ALL in lockstep with no dissent permitted or allowed.

If Trump *hate* is overwhelming here - and Trump *love* is the most important thing to discuss, why do they continue to hang here when they have plenty of other places to be among like minds?

@INVAR

Don't let it get to you.  There's no point in getting upset about it.

The truth of it is that we're just posting on a forum, and no one is going to run anyone else away.  A couple of other truths are: no one really "hates" Trump, and if others persist in calling it hate, it's their problem and it doesn't matter.  I'm not going to foster drama because guests and lurkers read this board and I want them to see that it's a sane place where they can have a discussion. 

Last but not least, like @bigheadfred said, we criticize the president because he IS the president.  It's the American thing to do.  No one is obligated to like Trump, and it's not a shameful thing if they don't.  He's a public servant, that's all.  But some might not accept it, and no one will change their minds.

[mystery-ak]

@INVAR

Don't let it get to you.  There's no point in getting upset about it.

The truth of it is that we're just posting on a forum, and no one is going to run anyone else away.  A couple of other truths are: no one really "hates" Trump, and if others persist in calling it hate, it's their problem and it doesn't matter.  I'm not going to foster drama because guests and lurkers read this board and I want them to see that it's a sane place where they can have a discussion. 

Last but not least, like @bigheadfred said, we criticize the president because he IS the president.  It's the American thing to do.  No one is obligated to like Trump, and it's not a shameful thing if they don't.  He's a public servant, that's all.  But some might not accept it, and no one will change their minds.

Well said...

[andy58-in-nh]

@INVAR

This is one of the last refuges online for Conservatives to gather and discuss our principles in light of events without having to be wearing MAGA headgear and t-shirts while waving his flag.  Most of us newer members have come here from somewhere else that we were no longer welcome at because we dared to question or refuse support of Trump, and it appears to us that the idea of a 'Conservative board' that does not support Trump must be discredited and it's members harassed and impugned.

 

I refer you to my second-to-last post on this thread. As for the very last, yes, I got myself some whiskey, with which I now offer a toast to our fallen heroes:



I left TOS in part because of the kind of crap that we are seeing too much of here. We can disagree about Donald Trump, but we all still love America and our families and our friends.

To discuss, and even to argue about politics is a worthy and responsible endeavor.

But to make of one's political and tribal fealty a central defining premise of self-worth and a measure of the worth of others is what Conservativism explicitly rejects.

Let us please leave that to the Progressives.

 

[INVAR]

Don't let it get to you.  There's no point in getting upset about it.

I'm not upset about it at all.

I just don't tolerate snide bullies and disparagement of fellows simply because we are governed by principles they consider foolish and an obstacle.

That's all. 

@Victoria33 's comment about not commenting on threads because of the atmosphere pretty much set me on the course to write that last entry.

[INVAR]

@INVAR

 

I refer you to my second-to-last post on this thread. As for the very last, yes, I got myself some whiskey, with which I now offer a toast to our fallen heroes:

Zum Wohl Prost!!!!

[Silver Pines]

I'm not upset about it at all.

I just don't tolerate snide bullies and disparagement of fellows simply because we are governed by principles they consider foolish and an obstacle.

That's all. 

@Victoria33 's comment about not commenting on threads because of the atmosphere pretty much set me on the course to write that last entry.

@INVAR

I completely understand that. I don't take well to being bullied, either.  But we kind of have to keep the environment in mind at the same time. 

[andy58-in-nh]

Zum Wohl Prost!!!!

Danke, mein Freund!


We won the war, right?

[INVAR]

PWI????????

[bigheadfred]

TALK

[INVAR]

Danke, mein Freund!


We won the war, right?

We did.  And as a direct result we can buy their beer and sing songs to button box accompaniment.

[INVAR]

TALK

Bourbon, Scotch, Whiskey, Beer or grain alcohol?

[jpsb]

/snicker

If you knew anything about NYC real estate you'd realize the truth.  But you don't, and you won't inform yourself because God forbid you should challenge your belief in the Great Orange God.

Trump isn't the end of the world by any means.  Go back in history for any length of time and he starts to look outright competent.  But he isn't a great leader, either.  A demagogue?  Yes, he's good at that, but demagoguery is not leadership.

Trump is just one more not-so-great garden variety politician this country will have to tolerate, just as it has with so many others.

I'll take what I can get - Justice Gorsuch, for example - but I'm not going to absolve Trump of all the stupidities, nor of all the future problems he's creating, simply because of Justice Gorsuch.  George W. Bush and his overreaching led directly to Obama.  I am quite worried about what Trump and his idiocies will lead to.

Get back to me when your can compose a coherent argument.

[Bigun]

@INVAR

 

I refer you to my second-to-last post on this thread. As for the very last, yes, I got myself some whiskey, with which I now offer a toast to our fallen heroes:



I left TOS in part because of the kind of crap that we are seeing too much of here. We can disagree about Donald Trump, but we all still love America and our families and our friends.

To discuss, and even to argue about politics is a worthy and responsible endeavor.

But to make of one's political and tribal fealty a central defining premise of self-worth and a measure of the worth of others is what Conservativism explicitly rejects.

Let us please leave that to the Progressives.

 

[Mod1]

That's enough, Fred.

[truth_seeker]

Get back to me when your can compose a coherent argument.

"If you knew anything about NYC real estate you'd realize the truth."

You are "less than," since you presumably do not know anything about NYC real estate like he does.

[jpsb]

TBR is HQ for NeverTrump. Sorry, but the NeverTrumpers here overwhelm conservatives. Policies matter, reduce legal immigration, eliminate illegal immigration, renegotiate unfair trade deals and put Americans and American workers first works for me.  Many here oppose that agenda and do nothing but repeat DNC talking points.

[Silver Pines]

TBR is HQ for NeverTrump. Sorry, but the NeverTrumpers here overwhelm conservatives. Policies matter, reduce legal immigration, eliminate illegal immigration, renegotiate unfair trade deals and put Americans and American workers first works for me.  Many here oppose that agenda and do nothing but repeat DNC talking points.

@jpsb, I don't agree that NeverTrumpers outnumber Trumpers here.  I'd say the vast majority are people who voted in what they would call a "pragmatic" way---they didn't like Trump, but they liked Hillary less.

Even if it were true, the reverse is the case on that other site, so it all washes out in the end.

I agree, policies matter.  That's why I want to see Trump make good on his promises.  He needs to get off Twitter, repeal Obamacare, defund Planned Parenthood, build the wall, cut taxes, and a number of other things he said he would do.  So far I'm not seeing that much. 

[Victoria33]

And of course, aggressive anti-Trump members will be sure to vote...making it IMPOSSIBLE for anything but "OVERBLOWN" to win.
Trump supporters are out-numbered on this forum at LEAST 4 to 1.

@DCPatriot

I didn't vote - it was a dumb poll because I knew it would start another verbal fight just as the political threads start now.

[Oceander]

TBR is HQ for NeverTrump. Sorry, but the NeverTrumpers here overwhelm conservatives. Policies matter, reduce legal immigration, eliminate illegal immigration, renegotiate unfair trade deals and put Americans and American workers first works for me.  Many here oppose that agenda and do nothing but repeat DNC talking points.

If things are as bad as you say, why are you still here?  Why not go to greener pastures?  You either like it here, or you're a troll; either way, you're also a liar.

[mystery-ak]

TBR is HQ for NeverTrump. Sorry, but the NeverTrumpers here overwhelm conservatives. Policies matter, reduce legal immigration, eliminate illegal immigration, renegotiate unfair trade deals and put Americans and American workers first works for me.  Many here oppose that agenda and do nothing but repeat DNC talking points.

Wait a minute....I am a conservative probably the most conservative person on this forum, but I don't consider Trump a conservative although he is pushing some conserv policies...that does not make you a conservative.

And stop with the DNC talking points shit here...there are no Libs on TBR.

[Wingnut]

And stop with the DNC talking points shit here...there are no Libs on TBR.

Except for that dem plant....I'm gonna find him if it's the last thing I ever do.

[truth_seeker]

TBR is HQ for NeverTrump. Sorry, but the NeverTrumpers here overwhelm conservatives. Policies matter, reduce legal immigration, eliminate illegal immigration, renegotiate unfair trade deals and put Americans and American workers first works for me.  Many here oppose that agenda and do nothing but repeat DNC talking points.

The purpose of the poll was to demonstrate NT superiority, since NT has been almost continuously wrong since last spring and the primaries. Anything to bolster their diminished spirits.

Tomorrow it will be something new, from the leftist press, Euro press, democrat talking points, or some sermon.

Meanwhile in reality land, I believe the vast majority of Veterans are strongly in favor of Trump. This is Memorial Day, about Veterans.

[Silver Pines]

Wait a minute....I am a conservative probably the most conservative person on this forum, but I don't consider Trump a conservative although he is pushing some conserv policies...that does not make you a conservative.

And stop with the DNC talking points shit here...there are no Libs on TBR.

@mystery-ak

[DCPatriot]

@DCPatriot

I didn't vote - it was a dumb poll because I knew it would start another verbal fight just as the political threads start now.

I voted...just to prove a point.

Common sense....if everybody voted, the "OVERBLOWN" would win hands down.

We don't need a stupid poll to tell us.

[INVAR]

The purpose of the poll was to demonstrate NT superiority, since NT has been almost continuously wrong since last spring and the primaries. Anything to bolster their diminished spirits.

Tomorrow it will be something new, from the leftist press, Euro press, democrat talking points, or some sermon.

If things are as bad as you say, why are you still here?  Why not go to greener pastures?  You either like it here, or you're a troll; either way, you're also a liar.

[INVAR]

And stop with the DNC talking points shit here...there are no Libs on TBR.

Not according to them.

It's what this always boils down to: if we do not support Trump all-the-way-at-all-times and whatever it is he says and does, we are Libs/Hillary supporters/Democrats/DU Trolls/Leftists/Coup supporters/MSM Media operatives etc., etc., etc.

We are either with them in lockstep, or we are the enemy.

Just as I said their mindset was earlier.  They just keep demonstrating it. 

Liberty only exists if you agree with, speak and vote the way they demand it.

Otherwise we are Libs and the enemy.

[Sanguine]

Sometimes it's best to just shut up and not further raise any hackles, than it is to continue to propound and antagonize and solidify the opposing opinions.

[Bigun]

Not according to them.

It's what this always boils down to: if we do not support Trump all-the-way-at-all-times and whatever it is he says and does, we are Libs/Hillary supporters/Democrats/DU Trolls/Leftists/Coup supporters/MSM Media operatives etc., etc., etc.

We are either with them in lockstep, or we are the enemy.

Just as I said their mindset was earlier.  They just keep demonstrating it. 

Liberty only exists if you agree with, speak and vote the way they demand it.

Otherwise we are Libs and the enemy.

IMHO there is far too much over the top emotional BS coming from both sides.

[roamer_1]

TBR is HQ for NeverTrump. Sorry, but the NeverTrumpers here overwhelm conservatives. Policies matter, reduce legal immigration, eliminate illegal immigration, renegotiate unfair trade deals and put Americans and American workers first works for me.  Many here oppose that agenda and do nothing but repeat DNC talking points.

Nonsense.
And you'll get none of the above, btw, out of a NY liberal and a crony capitalist.
As I said, over and over during the primaries, How do you guarantee his promises when his record speaks otherwise?
And here we are.

You've been sold a bill of goods.
Trump won't fight the left.
Trump IS the left.

You have been lead down the garden path.
Trump will not fight crony capitalism and globalism.
Trump IS a crony-capitalist and globalist.

[INVAR]

IMHO there is far too much over the top emotional BS coming from both sides.

I don't buy that. 

Most of the visceral Trump arguments here are reactionary as a result of someone like jpsb making a stupid statement about the members here who are not ga-ga with Trump.

The rest of them are usually the results of Conservatives doing a 'see-I-told-you-so' stance in regards to the news, usually associated with Trump's inability to control his thumbs on Twitter, though that silly fight over Trump's wife not holding his little hand was pretty stupid.

Now it's pro-Trump arguments over anger regarding the discussing of 'fake news' or news from sources other than Breitbart.