Republican candidate 'body-slams' Guardian reporter in Montana

[DiogenesLamp]

Montana Assault Witness Changes Story, Says No Neck Grab
Reporter says firsthand account misstated key aspect of Gianforte incident
https://www.lifezette.com/polizette/bombshell-montana-assault-witness-changes-story-admits-no-neck-grab/

:)

[Bigun]

Sigh!!!

[XenaLee]

Montana Assault Witness Changes Story, Says No Neck Grab
Reporter says firsthand account misstated key aspect of Gianforte incident
https://www.lifezette.com/polizette/bombshell-montana-assault-witness-changes-story-admits-no-neck-grab/

According to this version..... the reporter made first physical contact by grabbing the wrist of Gianforte.  That's assault right there, folks.  And really, if a reporter thrusts a microphone right in your face, that's an invasion of your 'space' and also assault.  The guy had it coming, IOW.

“Jacobs grabbed Greg’s wrist, and spun away from Greg, pushing them both to the ground.”

[DiogenesLamp]

Snark is indeed a fine art.  A balancing act.  It must be tempered, yet effective.  The finest snark is deadly effective.... even while exhibiting class. 

It must also be tailored to your audience.  Snark that goes over people's heads is less than worthless,  it makes the person doing it look like some sort of fool. 


Sizing up your audience is essential to delivering the right sort of snark.   


Let me relate one of my favorite Snark events that took place around 1994 on the MENSA echo.    I had gotten into a discussion with an Atheist about whether Adam and Even were real,   and he of course took the position that they were a superstitious fabrication with no basis in Science.  He said:


"I prefer to think of myself as the product of a wide gene pool."

To which I replied,   "You are the product of a wide gene pool insofar as your mother had multiple lovers assisting in your conception. "     


I won the MENSA echo that day.   :)   

Hey, maybe we should have a Snark 101 class!

Couldn't hurt.

And while we're at it... we could give pointers on how NOT to use some of these idiotically over-used smileys....

I won't say I "hate"  those things,   but I do find them annoying and pointless. 

[beandog]

According to this version..... the reporter made first physical contact by grabbing the wrist of Gianforte.  That's assault right there, folks.  And really, if a reporter thrusts a microphone right in your face, that's an invasion of your 'space' and also assault.  The guy had it coming, IOW.

I agree with you. 

[austingirl]

The youtube CSPAN video shows what looks like a wrestling match.

[Smokin Joe]

I frankly thing that there is nothing uglier than using a moral rationalization for cowardice. Far uglier than suggesting that some people probably deserved to get roughed up a little. Nobody got their limbs broken or bloodied, just got their feelings hurt a little (and broke a pair of glasses). Most days in the fifth grade I came off the play ground after recess with worse.

Interesting how the tradition of being manly and taking some lumps once in awhile has been edited out of the tradition of conservatism by some of our posters here. Maybe they'd prefer the newfangled "safe-space" tradition that the far leftists have tried to start. Where people with normal reactions to aggression, rudeness and boundary violations are portrayed as  "defective" human beings.

Zero tolerance for manliness. Got it. No thanks.

I'm more incline to want to hang out with them, than the former. Will it cost him the election? Maybe. Should he try to have more self-control? Definitely. Do I care one iota about the leftist's glasses or wounded pride? No and no.

As far as I am concerned, most far-left journalists should be defenestrated on GP. They are mostly pathogens that have the ability to speak and dress themselves in clothing.  Former Minnesota governor Jesse Ventura called them "official jackals" and even made them wear that title on their journalist access badges when he was governor. I never agreed more with any decision.

That is the one thing more than any other that I like about how Putin conducts himself - he treats the mass media with the respect they deserve - very little. He treats them like what they are, the endless side show or part of the scenery, not the vital center or the main event.

Of course, as is often the case with Russkies, Putin took that too far when he had the Russian Mafia kill some of the journalists he disliked with polonium and assassinated the president of Poland by crashing his plane. That was all highly unnecessary and not really helpful ( along with all of the other late unpleasantness of annexations etc).

That tradition of "manliness" includes beating some pencil neck?

Nah.
Choose your battles, and whupping up on some pissant dweeb doesn't come off as "manly".

Never has.

I'm more concerned about his lack of judgement than him taking the reporter down.

[XenaLee]

It must also be tailored to your audience.  Snark that goes over people's heads is less than worthless,  it makes the person doing it look like some sort of fool. 

Ehhh.... nah.  It's not my fault if the person my brilliant snark is intended for isn't bright enough to 'get it'.   Their loss.      (there goes those overused smileys again)

Sizing up your audience is essential to delivering the right sort of snark. 

Brilliance seeks its own level.  When it comes to fine snark, the 'pearls before swine' meme does not apply.... in my oh-so-humble opinion.  lol 

Let me relate one of my favorite Snark events that took place around 1994 on the MENSA echo.    I had gotten into a discussion with an Atheist about whether Adam and Even were real,   and he of course took the position that they were a superstitious fabrication with no basis in Science.  He said:

"I prefer to think of myself as the product of a wide gene pool."

To which I replied,   "You are the product of a wide gene pool insofar as your mother had multiple lovers assisting in your conception. "     


I won the MENSA echo that day.   :)   

Lol.....funny..... but....  I think the whole "MENSA" thing is highly over-rated.  For instance... I once knew a woman that claimed to be MENSA (ie she was bragging about her high IQ).  She was a Walmart/Bush-hating leftie, of course....hehe.   How bright was she?   She was so bright... that she almost burned the house down while attempting to multi-task..... surf the net while cooking a steak.  It was a hoot.   But superior-minded lefties usually (always) are.

Couldn't hurt.

I won't say I "hate"  those things,   but I do find them annoying and pointless.

Mea culpa.  That was sarcasm on the smileys.... since I tend to over-use them too.  I'll taper off.  Starting tomorrow. 

[DiogenesLamp]

According to this version..... the reporter made first physical contact by grabbing the wrist of Gianforte.  That's assault right there, folks.  And really, if a reporter thrusts a microphone right in your face, that's an invasion of your 'space' and also assault.  The guy had it coming, IOW.

Time for the Taiwanese animators to do a cartoon on this. 



https://youtu.be/7i5FlC1MpkE

[DiogenesLamp]

Lol.....funny..... but....  I think the whole "MENSA" thing is highly over-rated.  For instance... I once knew a woman that claimed to be MENSA (ie she was bragging about her high IQ).  She was a Walmart/Bush-hating leftie, of course....hehe.   How bright was she?   She was so bright... that she almost burned the house down while attempting to multi-task..... surf the net while cooking a steak.  It was a hoot.   But superior-minded lefties usually (always) are.

 

Yes,  MENSA is highly overrated.  Back then I was new to bulletin boards and "echos"   and at the time I had a lot of respect for MENSA having heard that it was an organization of very intelligent people.   I went to the MENSA echo hoping to read some interesting discussions in science or philosophy,   and people were talking about the silliest things.    I remember this one guy talking about how much fun "Improv"  was.


I posted a message that said that I had come there expecting to see brilliant discussions on high level intellectual topics,   and all I could see was mundane social trivia being traded back and forth.   I then asked a question that stirred up a hornet's nest.   I said:  "Where are all the smart people? " 


Then they all lit into me with both feet.   "How dare you come in here and suggest  we aren't the "smart people"?   Why i've been a member of MENSA for umpity ump years,  and I'm absolutely brilliant! "   And various iterations of that same message from everyone else.  For such smart people,  they sure were paranoid about being thought mundane.   



And yes,  in the scope of time I spent arguing with them,  (a year or so)  I realized that they were a collection of people with highly inflated egos,   but not much real brainpower backing them up.   It became nothing but an endless snark fest,   and I thought it was a lot of fun. 

[truth_seeker]

All what threats, brainless criticizer!? !Now you are whining about supposed threats.  heh You're SKEERDED!!!Not surprising, WTF. Those who are quick to accuse others of cowardice are in my own experience, often the most unprepared for the employment of violence when necessary but simply find solace in rationalizations for their incipient excessive passivity.  Need a safe space? Don't retire from being a man, word-wielder!

My take: We have here, a group like Clint Eastwood referred as the "9ussy generation."

[EC]

And yes,  in the scope of time I spent arguing with them,  (a year or so)  I realized that they were a collection of people with highly inflated egos,   but not much real brainpower backing them up.   It became nothing but an endless snark fest,   and I thought it was a lot of fun.

You missed the real killer - they're as boring as watching clay crack on a sunny day. Zero humor.

[Hoodat]

According to this version..... the reporter made first physical contact by grabbing the wrist of Gianforte.  That's assault right there, folks.  And really, if a reporter thrusts a microphone right in your face, that's an invasion of your 'space' and also assault.

Absolutely positively correct.

[Hoodat]

Montana Assault Witness Changes Story, Says No Neck Grab

That's disappointing.  I was hoping for a suplex followed by a sleeper hold.

[catfish1957]

Absolutely positively correct.

Frontier folk of Montana 150 years ago would laugh at this being an assault charge.  Wussification of society is now complete.

[skeeter]

According to this version..... the reporter made first physical contact by grabbing the wrist of Gianforte.  That's assault right there, folks.  And really, if a reporter thrusts a microphone right in your face, that's an invasion of your 'space' and also assault.  The guy had it coming, IOW.

After all is said & done I have no problem with it, either.

[Smokin Joe]

Yes,  MENSA is highly overrated.  Back then I was new to bulletin boards and "echos"   and at the time I had a lot of respect for MENSA having heard that it was an organization of very intelligent people.   I went to the MENSA echo hoping to read some interesting discussions in science or philosophy,   and people were talking about the silliest things.    I remember this one guy talking about how much fun "Improv"  was.


I posted a message that said that I had come there expecting to see brilliant discussions on high level intellectual topics,   and all I could see was mundane social trivia being traded back and forth.   I then asked a question that stirred up a hornet's nest.   I said:  "Where are all the smart people? " 


Then they all lit into me with both feet.   "How dare you come in here and suggest  we aren't the "smart people"?   Why i've been a member of MENSA for umpity ump years,  and I'm absolutely brilliant! "   And various iterations of that same message from everyone else.  For such smart people,  they sure were paranoid about being thought mundane.   



And yes,  in the scope of time I spent arguing with them,  (a year or so)  I realized that they were a collection of people with highly inflated egos,   but not much real brainpower backing them up.   It became nothing but an endless snark fest,   and I thought it was a lot of fun.

When Mrs. Joe was tending bar many many years ago, a fellow from Boston was in the bar bragging he was in MENSA, and descended from people who arrived on the Mayflower.
As the evening wore on he didn't slow down on that, and finally, having noticed how it was grating on the regulars, the next time he bragged about how his ancestors came across on the Mayflower, my wife just looked at him and said "That's nice. Mine walked over." She's Chippewa. He sputtered, put down his drink and left to the uproarious laughter of every patron who had overheard.

[LateForLunch]

Absolutely positively correct.

Based on what we have so far, most likely the charges against the candidate will be dismissed for lack of evidence. All that the evidence seems to show beyond a reasonable doubt is that there was an altercation in which one of the participants claimed to have had a pair of glasses broken and claimed no other injuries.

Of course, the leftist still has some time to find a crooked doctor to claim that he was "permanently injured" in the incident. He could also go judge shopping for a leftist judge who wants to harm a conservative if they can by using the "broadness of the law" to snip some thread or other to allow the Sword of Damocles to fall. 

[DiogenesLamp]

You missed the real killer - they're as boring as watching clay crack on a sunny day. Zero humor.

It wasn't boring when I was there.   I had the lot of them trying to think up ways to mock and humiliate me,  and I was having fun firing back.   


Yes,  it was pretty boring reading the stuff they posted when I first showed up,   but I made the place a lot more animated.   It got even more animated when some of my friends from other discussions showed up to join in on the snark fest.   

Moderator?  What's that?   :)   

[DiogenesLamp]

When Mrs. Joe was tending bar many many years ago, a fellow from Boston was in the bar bragging he was in MENSA, and descended from people who arrived on the Mayflower.
As the evening wore on he didn't slow down on that, and finally, having noticed how it was grating on the regulars, the next time he bragged about how his ancestors came across on the Mayflower, my wife just looked at him and said "That's nice. Mine walked over." She's Chippewa. He sputtered, put down his drink and left to the uproarious laughter of every patron who had overheard.

That's funny,   and why am I not surprised that someone displaying arrogant uppitiness happens to be from Boston?   


My Brother married a Comanche woman. 

[XenaLee]

Yes,  MENSA is highly overrated.  Back then I was new to bulletin boards and "echos"   and at the time I had a lot of respect for MENSA having heard that it was an organization of very intelligent people.   I went to the MENSA echo hoping to read some interesting discussions in science or philosophy,   and people were talking about the silliest things.    I remember this one guy talking about how much fun "Improv"  was.


I posted a message that said that I had come there expecting to see brilliant discussions on high level intellectual topics,   and all I could see was mundane social trivia being traded back and forth.   I then asked a question that stirred up a hornet's nest.   I said:  "Where are all the smart people? " 


Then they all lit into me with both feet.   "How dare you come in here and suggest  we aren't the "smart people"?   Why i've been a member of MENSA for umpity ump years,  and I'm absolutely brilliant! "   And various iterations of that same message from everyone else.  For such smart people,  they sure were paranoid about being thought mundane.   



And yes,  in the scope of time I spent arguing with them,  (a year or so)  I realized that they were a collection of people with highly inflated egos,   but not much real brainpower backing them up.   It became nothing but an endless snark fest,   and I thought it was a lot of fun.

Yep.   In other words (mine, usually).... they were typical lefties.   Cause you can bet the farm that most of them voted Democrat Only.

[DiogenesLamp]

And this little bit of information needs to be tossed into the pot.


How Silicon Valley is trying to topple Trump — beginning with a special election in Montana

For all his gains, though, Quist didn’t exactly have a whole lot of help from the Democratic Party’s official organs, and like many down-ballot races for Congress, his campaign didn’t have an overwhelming amount of tech expertise on staff, either. So Quist’s consultants turned to the likes of Alter, a Bay Area resident, who has labored since January to link digitally savvy tech types — many still reeling after Trump’s election victory — to progressive candidates and causes.

Quist’s tough gamble in Montana is now one of a series of races aided by Tech for Campaigns, a group that Alter formed with one of her friends, Pete Kazanjy, in the fraught early hours of Trump’s presidency. Their goal: To serve as a conduit of sorts between Democratic office-seekers in desperate need of some quick digital talent and the engineers and designers in San Francisco and the country’s other tech hubs, many of whom are new to politics but increasingly eager to help out in any way they can.

https://www.recode.net/2017/5/25/15686802/silicon-valley-trump-montana-tech-for-campaigns

[XenaLee]

When Mrs. Joe was tending bar many many years ago, a fellow from Boston was in the bar bragging he was in MENSA, and descended from people who arrived on the Mayflower.
As the evening wore on he didn't slow down on that, and finally, having noticed how it was grating on the regulars, the next time he bragged about how his ancestors came across on the Mayflower, my wife just looked at him and said "That's nice. Mine walked over." She's Chippewa. He sputtered, put down his drink and left to the uproarious laughter of every patron who had overheard.

Hehehe..... that's a great response.   Mine would have probably been (and has in the past)....

my ancestors (or half of them, anyway) were already here (Cherokee).

[ExFreeper]

[XenaLee]

It wasn't boring when I was there.   I had the lot of them trying to think up ways to mock and humiliate me,  and I was having fun firing back.   


Yes,  it was pretty boring reading the stuff they posted when I first showed up,   but I made the place a lot more animated.   It got even more animated when some of my friends from other discussions showed up to join in on the snark fest.   

Moderator?  What's that?   :)

Sounds kind of like the Wild Wild West days of Slate's fray.   Yes, there were moderators.  But no, they didn't step in very often.  Damn, it was fun!