Open War On The President

[txradioguy]

We don't care if it never happens.

What we care about is not lending our hands, efforts and voices to a corrupt Uniparty Oligarchy hellbent on making us a Socialist Democracy that has played you all for fools while you keep empowering them to do so.

And, Conservatives were told if we stuck to our principles, to get out of your party and get lost - and that you people and your candidates did not need us, nor want us in your party.

So we took your advice and are leaving you to yourselves while watching you all flail about with the Left and decry the fact we are not backing you or your party.

You are on your own with the Great Moderate Middle that your party leaders think are the future of your party and the country.

Have fun with that.

I'd rather live my life secure in knowing my principles are in tact rather than what political party I align with.

[roamer_1]

You are on your own with the Great Moderate Middle that your party leaders think are the future of your party and the country.

Have fun with that.

Yep. Nothing is more lukewarm and bland than the passionately pragmatic moderate.

woooo!

[Farish]

I'd rather live my life secure in knowing my principles are in tact rather than what political party I align with.

Absolutely agree.

[Rivergirl]

Absolutely agree.

Me three

[XenaLee]

I'd rather live my life secure in knowing my principles are in tact rather than what political party I align with.

Yeah, well.... I don't align with the Republican Party.... despite having to vote Republican in order to keep the idiot left out of power.  It's a non-choice reality I've had to deal with since Reagan.  And I know all about principles.  I didn't vote Republican last November either.  I knew damned well Trump would win Texas... but I have to ask myself..... what if he had lost to Hillary.  I wouldn't have been able to live with that... that's for damned sure.  Thank God I don't have to.

Meanwhile.... back at the ranch... while our precious principles are "intact"....  the radical left is running amuck trying to overturn the last election in their hopes to replace Trump and Pence with one of their very own leftist aholes.  If you're ok with that, that puts you on the opposite side I'm on.

It's past time to put all that crap behind us and stand behind this administration in order to stand against the radical left in America.  United we stand, divided we WILL fall.  That's how I see it.

[skeeter]

I'd rather live my life secure in knowing my principles are in tact rather than what political party I align with.

My principles explain my vote as well.

[txradioguy]

It's past time to put all that crap behind us and stand behind this administration in order to stand against the radical left in America.  United we stand, divided we WILL fall.  That's how I see it.

The problem with that is the fact that as time goes on...he's turning out to have more in common with the Left and the swamp he claimed he was going to drain than some folks want to admit.

[INVAR]

Meanwhile.... back at the ranch... while our precious principles are "intact"....  the radical left is running amuck trying to overturn the last election in their hopes to replace Trump and Pence with one of their very own leftist aholes.  If you're ok with that, that puts you on the opposite side I'm on.

We're not okay with that.  However, a few of us have arrived at the point that we realize and recognize that we are not going to be turning this ship around via the corrupted institutions of politics.   Practicing insanity while hoping to change where we have already arrived is sheer idiocy IMO.    It is going to require doing those things that the vast, vast majority want absolutely nothing to do with.   So I would guess our fate is sealed.

It's past time to put all that crap behind us and stand behind this administration in order to stand against the radical left in America.  United we stand, divided we WILL fall.  That's how I see it.

I will applaud Trump's Administration when they serve Conservative principles and the Constitution to their actual measured benefit.  I will not be applauding them for the sake of applauding them.  I WILL be excoriating those things Trump and his Administration do that are corrosive and destructive to foundational principles and the office he holds.

And, we are already divided, irrevocably so.  No point in pretending otherwise.

[LateForLunch]

Some of these posts remind me of the truism, "How often the good is forsaken in search of the perfect". There is a myth (mostly promulgated by somatotonics) that the only battles worth fighting are the ones in which absolute victory may be attained.

That is IMO, one of the most destructive ideas in all politics.

Also, it's no wonder (nor a coincidence) that the only leftist on this thread (Farish) fully endorses that view. See, to be a Democrat and align one's self with them requires absolutely no morality whatsoever. So encouraging conservatives to "stand up for their principles" is essentially encouraging them to stand down from action, which suits leftist just fine.

The only guarantee of failure is to refuse to try. Much of the rhetoric from anti-Trumpsters comes down to powerful arguments in favor of refusing to act. How heroic.

[XenaLee]

We're not okay with that.  However, a few of us have arrived at the point that we realize and recognize that we are not going to be turning this ship around via the corrupted institutions of politics.   Practicing insanity while hoping to change where we have already arrived is sheer idiocy IMO.    It is going to require doing those things that the vast, vast majority want absolutely nothing to do with.   So I would guess our fate is sealed.

Speak for yourself.  My fate is still up in the air.  I intend on fighting the leftists with every fiber in my being... to my dying day, in fact.   I also don't plan to sit around doing nothing but hating on Trump just because he's not doing everything conservative (we knew he wouldn't) and not doing everything he promised to do.  Presidents never do fully follow through on ALL of those campaign promises. 

I will applaud Trump's Administration when they serve Conservative principles and the Constitution to their actual measured benefit.  I will not be applauding them for the sake of applauding them.  I WILL be excoriating those things Trump and his Administration do that are corrosive and destructive to foundational principles and the office he holds.

So... even if he does something that thwarts or goes against the leftist agenda, if it's not deemed 'conservative' in your mind, you're still going to criticize him for it.  That's about what I figured.

And, we are already divided, irrevocably so.  No point in pretending otherwise.

We've been divided for decades now.... especially for the past eight years.  It seems that for "some" folks.... there is nothing dire enough or critical enough for the future of this nation that will make them come about and stand united against the leftists.  And that is the most tragic end result of the left's tactics of fomenting division among their opponents. 

[Emjay]

Yeah, well.... I don't align with the Republican Party.... despite having to vote Republican in order to keep the idiot left out of power.  It's a non-choice reality I've had to deal with since Reagan.  And I know all about principles.  I didn't vote Republican last November either.  I knew damned well Trump would win Texas... but I have to ask myself..... what if he had lost to Hillary.  I wouldn't have been able to live with that... that's for damned sure.  Thank God I don't have to.

Meanwhile.... back at the ranch... while our precious principles are "intact"....  the radical left is running amuck trying to overturn the last election in their hopes to replace Trump and Pence with one of their very own leftist aholes.  If you're ok with that, that puts you on the opposite side I'm on.

It's past time to put all that crap behind us and stand behind this administration in order to stand against the radical left in America.  United we stand, divided we WILL fall.  That's how I see it.

Another double Amen.

Those people were Trump haters and, to them, not continuing that hate with every breath equates to abandoning their principles.

They are Very Proud of their principles.

I don't think, at this point, they really care about anything else.

[Emjay]

Some of these posts remind me of the truism, "How often the good is forsaken in search of the perfect". There is a myth (mostly promulgated by somatotonics) that the only battles worth fighting are the ones in which absolute victory may be attained.

That is IMO, one of the most destructive ideas in all politics.

Also, it's no wonder (nor a coincidence) that the only leftist on this thread (Farish) fully endorses that view. See, to be a Democrat and align one's self with them requires absolutely no morality whatsoever. So encouraging conservatives to "stand up for their principles" is essentially encouraging them to stand down from action, which suits leftist just fine.

The only guarantee of failure is to refuse to try. Much of the rhetoric from anti-Trumpsters comes down to powerful arguments in favor of refusing to act. How heroic.

You speak the truth.  We've always heard that the perfect is the enemy of the good and it's become a cliche.  Yet the truth of that phrase resonates through half the posts here and I think it is a sign of extreme vanity.

Those people fought Trump tooth and nail during the primaries.  I did as well.  But I regained my sanity when I realized that Hillary would never be president and that Obama was just a nightmare memory.

Those people are now worshipping their own beliefs to the point of forgetting about the big picture.

The big picture is that we are still in dire danger of the left regaining power.  This is their last stand and we should not abet them in their quest to turn our country into a socialist, liberal mess.

But... what's scary is that anytime someone tries to tell them that they react in a totally predictable manner. 

They immediately call that person a snowflake (still don't know what that means) a trump worshipper or at the very best a compromiser and an abandoner of principles.

They NEVER look at themselves or really think.  They can't afford to.

[skeeter]

Another double Amen.

Those people were Trump haters and, to them, not continuing that hate with every breath equates to abandoning their principles.

They are Very Proud of their principles.

I don't think, at this point, they really care about anything else.

If starving I won't reject a tunafish sandwich prepared at the Safeway deli, however deserving I may be of a dinner at Spagos.

[Emjay]

If starving I won't reject a tunafish sandwich prepared at the Safeway deli, however deserving I may be of a dinner at Spagos.

We've eaten in every fancy restaurant in Maui while my son is here from Colorado.

But he's leaving tomorrow and I'll be back to tuna fish sandwiches myself.

I promised my daughter I would take her to Spagos again if she would say she likes her job.  (She changed jobs and regretted it bitterly for a long time).  All she's willing to say is that she's gotten used to it ... that does not get her Spagos.

[skeeter]

We've eaten in every fancy restaurant in Maui while my son is here from Colorado.

But he's leaving tomorrow and I'll be back to tuna fish sandwiches myself.

I promised my daughter I would take her to Spagos again if she would say she likes her job.  (She changed jobs and regretted it bitterly for a long time).  All she's willing to say is that she's gotten used to it ... that does not get her Spagos.

Well then obviously you've tried Mamas Fish House. Love that place.

[r9etb]

I'm trying to figure out how tossing out long held values is now desirable, and if I do that, then somehow you will respect me for it.   Do I need to join the club of not caring if a person is amoral and has no standards of behavior he upholds to make you happy with me? 

I don't get how a person who used to be on the same page as I'm on has suddenly tossed aside what I thought we had in common.

How exactly does that happen? 

u·til·i·tar·i·an·ism
yo͞oˌtiləˈterēəˌnizəm/
noun
noun: utilitarianism

    the doctrine that actions are right if they are useful or for the benefit of a majority.
        the doctrine that an action is right insofar as it promotes happiness, and that the greatest happiness of the greatest number should be the guiding principle of conduct.

[Emjay]

Well then obviously you've tried Mamas Fish House. Love that place.

We have !!  When we first moved here, we lived in Haiku and passed Mamas every day.

It's an interesting place.  They send fisherpersons out every morning and those people bring their catch and the fish they catch is named on the menu for the person who caught it.

The prices are out of sight but no worse than Tony Romano's or Spagos.

[musiclady]

u·til·i·tar·i·an·ism
yo͞oˌtiləˈterēəˌnizəm/
noun
noun: utilitarianism

    the doctrine that actions are right if they are useful or for the benefit of a majority.
        the doctrine that an action is right insofar as it promotes happiness, and that the greatest happiness of the greatest number should be the guiding principle of conduct.

Correct.

And then add to that descriptor having complete disdain for anyone who doesn't give up values for "happiness.".....

[Right_in_Virginia]

Some of these posts remind me of the truism, "How often the good is forsaken in search of the perfect". There is a myth (mostly promulgated by somatotonics) that the only battles worth fighting are the ones in which absolute victory may be attained.

That is IMO, one of the most destructive ideas in all politics.

Also, it's no wonder (nor a coincidence) that the only leftist on this thread (Farish) fully endorses that view. See, to be a Democrat and align one's self with them requires absolutely no morality whatsoever. So encouraging conservatives to "stand up for their principles" is essentially encouraging them to stand down from action, which suits leftist just fine.

Excellent, excellent post @LateForLunch   

[Emjay]

Wow.  There you go with the "these people" again, as if we are some form of alien.

As far as principles go, when one of them is the CHARACTER of a person, then do you suggest that we throw them away because we're supposed to support a man totally devoid of character?

What do you suggest I do with that pesky principle?  Toss it aside so you won't call me one of "these people" and look at me with utter disdain?

I'm trying to figure out how tossing out long held values is now desirable, and if I do that, then somehow you will respect me for it.   Do I need to join the club of not caring if a person is amoral and has no standards of behavior he upholds to make you happy with me? 

I don't get how a person who used to be on the same page as I'm on has suddenly tossed aside what I thought we had in common.

How exactly does that happen? 

I'll explain two things to you.  One:  I use the term those people to avoid naming anyone in particular (which can get you virtually murdered) and to refer to a group who have a common viewpoint here.

I'm not trying to make you be happy with me.  I'm simply trying to explain that the time for fanatic Trump hate has come and gone.

If you continue to clutch that hate to your bosom to the point that it clouds your viewpoint on everything else, it is not a clear-eyed way to view current events.

I'm holding onto my long held values and I hope everyone does that, but my long held values where politics is concerned is trying to keep the long reign of Obama and Hillary and all 'those people' out of power.

It is actually possible to support Trump when he does good things without abandoning your values.  It does not mean you condone his lifestyle and I promise never to accuse you of that.

[DCPatriot]

Correct.

And then add to that descriptor having complete disdain for anyone who doesn't give up values for "happiness.".....

Is that sort of like the same thing as looking down one's nose for people who don't share theirs?     

You're just looking for a fight.  You completely missed @Emjay 's context in her use of "Those people".

Nowhere near the usage you applied.

[skeeter]

We have !!  When we first moved here, we lived in Haiku and passed Mamas every day.

It's an interesting place.  They send fisherpersons out every morning and those people bring their catch and the fish they catch is named on the menu for the person who caught it.

The prices are out of sight but no worse than Tony Romano's or Spagos.

There was a nice tavern up Haiku Rd in the same pkg lot as the Fukushima Store, more affordable than Mamas but don't even know if its still open. Wish I could remember its name.

Baileys?

[INVAR]

I intend on fighting the leftists with every fiber in my being... to my dying day, in fact. 

Knock your socks off.  No one is stopping you.  No one is telling you not to.  If you think voting for someone with an 'R' after their name and cheerleading every statement they make and every action they do is going to get you the Conservative results you seek - go for it.

I no longer find those actions viable.

I also don't plan to sit around doing nothing but hating on Trump just because he's not doing everything conservative (we knew he wouldn't) and not doing everything he promised to do.  Presidents never do fully follow through on ALL of those campaign promises.

Some have said they don't care if Trump enacts 99% of the Liberal Leftist Agenda, as long as he gets a decent SCOTUS pick on the bench.  So the fact a vast majority are peachy with diminishing expectations, you all have your reward.  My opinions (as the evil they are stated to be) aren't going to affect you.  Unless of course you expect me to shut up and goose-step or get out, which I can tell you right now - is never going to happen.

So... even if he does something that thwarts or goes against the leftist agenda, if it's not deemed 'conservative' in your mind, you're still going to criticize him for it. 

So applauding Trump's Administration when they serve Conservative principles and the Constitution is not good enough for you?  You expect us to cheerlead and seig heil whenever he sticks his finger in the Left's eye?

I'm not interested in vigilantism.

We've been divided for decades now.... especially for the past eight years.  It seems that for "some" folks.... there is nothing dire enough or critical enough for the future of this nation that will make them come about and stand united against the leftists.  And that is the most tragic end result of the left's tactics of fomenting division among their opponents.

Sorry to disappoint, but I find daily that I have no more in common with Republicans and people who self-identify as Conservatives than I do the Leftists in the Democrat Party.

Again, people like me were told to get out of the Republican party by both their leadership and Trump.  People like me are told to shut up about the core foundational precepts that support the very existence of liberty on forums and social media.  As such, I have no reason to stand with you against the people you want to go to war against.

I have other plans.

[Emjay]

There was a nice tavern up Haiku Rd in the same pkg lot as the Fukushima Store, more affordable than Mamas but don't even know if its still open. Wish I could remember its name.

Baileys?

Did you live here for awhile?

[Hondo69]

The big picture is that we are still in dire danger of the left regaining power.  This is their last stand and we should not abet them in their quest to turn our country into a socialist, liberal mess.

Awhile back I had two neighbors.  One was a cranky old man who was quite the specimen, a get off my lawn type of guy.  But I left him alone and he left me alone so we got along great.  We never spoke, didn't have to.

Then there was the nice old lady on the other side that liked to chat everybody up.  She seemed nice enough on the surface but made it a habit to be in everybody's business.  She'd complain if someone parked a boat on the street for more than a day and would always call for more and more rules at homeowner's meetings.

Over the years I'd notice the other neighbors complain about the old man but comment on how sweet the old lady seemed to be.  They'd look at me funny when I'd tell them the old man is not the one you have to worry about.  It took a few years but they all eventually came around to my way of thinking.

I'll take the cranky old man any day.