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End of the road for oil?: Not with our obsession for big, energy-obese vehicles
http://www.financialpost.com/m/wp/news/blog.html?b=business.financialpost.com/news/energy/end-of-the-road-for-oil-not-with-our-obsession-with-big-energy-obese-vehicles&pubdate=2017-03-23
Peter Tertzakian, Mar. 23, 2017

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Wow. It’s not often a chart can say so much about human behaviour, economic theory, oil consumption and maybe even the future of energy all in one spreadsheet column.


For one thing, the data I show this week confirms the maxim that “size matters.” When it comes to buying a new vehicle in North America, the bigger-is-better sentiment has been growing over the past 30 years, and especially so in the past three.

The simple line graph in Figure 1 shows the percentage of people that walk into a car dealership in the United States, kick a few tires of various size, and then drive off with a new pick-up truck or SUV. That choice trumps opting for a more modest set of wheels on a smaller car. Canadian data reflects similar buying sentiments....

yada, yada, yada,  I just liked seeing the charts







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I got a Sierra V8 and a F150.  Looking into one of those really inefficient 3/4 tons now.
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"Energy obese?"  Really?
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"Energy obese?"  Really?

More virtue signaling by a metrosexual millennial.......

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"Energy obese?"  Really?
The guy is just trying to sell a book that is a few years old, so it does not get the traction it was designed to get when it came out.  The End of Energy Obesity: Breaking Today's Energy Addiction for a Prosperous and Secure Tomorrow Hardcover – June 29, 2009

Here's a quote from someone who read it on what is in it:

"This book explores the critical role networked IT solutions play in changing the way energy is used and delivered. The network truly becomes a platform for monitoring and managing energy consumption in a much more efficient way, and we expect the benefits to accelerate as the network becomes more pervasive. Tertzakian shows the reader how networked collaboration technologies such as TelePresence can enable powerful, face-to-face interactions while reducing our energy appetite and carbon footprint."
—John Chambers, Chairman and CEO, Cisco 


How 'networking' energy helps us is puzzling unless we tie the world's electric grids together.  This would be a fearful control of power by someone to control us.

Mind of an academic.
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The guy is just trying to sell a book that is a few years old, so it does not get the traction it was designed to get when it came out.  The End of Energy Obesity: Breaking Today's Energy Addiction for a Prosperous and Secure Tomorrow Hardcover – June 29, 2009

Here's a quote from someone who read it on what is in it:

"This book explores the critical role networked IT solutions play in changing the way energy is used and delivered. The network truly becomes a platform for monitoring and managing energy consumption in a much more efficient way, and we expect the benefits to accelerate as the network becomes more pervasive. Tertzakian shows the reader how networked collaboration technologies such as TelePresence can enable powerful, face-to-face interactions while reducing our energy appetite and carbon footprint."
—John Chambers, Chairman and CEO, Cisco 


How 'networking' energy helps us is puzzling unless we tie the world's electric grids together.  This would be a fearful control of power by someone to control us.

Mind of an academic.

He is also not very knowledgeable bout electrical grid networks. The more nodes you have in a grid, the more unstable it becomes. You can paper over the instability and keep it minimized by having a large excess generating capacity, but as you reduce those margins in the name of efficiency, the larger the probability of a node dropping out and taking the grid with it.

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Oh Cry Pete... here we go again.

One thing I can tell you - Everyone I know with a reasonably sized family has a Suburban or an Expedition, because there isn't anything else big enough to haul the whole family around in one rig (especially safely).

I have 4 kids and tried a minivan, but the normative luggage required for kids, tag-a-longs like friends over, picking up neighbor's kids for them, and etc, there just isn't enough room. Enter the Suburban. And only the Suburban. there is nothing in between rice-grinder mini van and suburban, except maybe a 4-door pickup.


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Well, when it comes to getting where you have to go, size matters.
Ground clearance is a must in the snow, and if it isn't big enough to stretch out and sleep in if I do get stuck, I don't want to drive it.

If I can't get under it and change the oil without jacking it up, it's too low to the ground.

Besides, you can see further down the road if you sit higher up, and that gives you time to avoid problems. If you don't have long enough to avoid toruble, Bambi (no, not that one, the deer) doesn't end up in your lap.
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Oh Cry Pete... here we go again.

One thing I can tell you - Everyone I know with a reasonably sized family has a Suburban or an Expedition, because there isn't anything else big enough to haul the whole family around in one rig (especially safely).

I have 4 kids and tried a minivan, but the normative luggage required for kids, tag-a-longs like friends over, picking up neighbor's kids for them, and etc, there just isn't enough room. Enter the Suburban. And only the Suburban. there is nothing in between rice-grinder mini van and suburban, except maybe a 4-door pickup.
Yep, two Suburbans, an old half-ton pickup, a Tahoe, a one ton van, and a little minivan for skittering around town running errands and getting parts and such. They're all older (17+), all paid for, and all run well.
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Wikipedia: "Peter Tertzakian is now a long-time resident of Calgary, Alberta. He lives there with his wife, Janet, and together they have two children, Alexander and André. Peter enjoys photography, and uses photos from his world travels to enrich his presentations. As a collector of Energy related artifacts, books and ephemera he often uses them as a source of inspiration to share historical lessons that can be applied today."



Urban dweller Peter must believe that the only purpose for personal transportation is to drive oneself to Whole Foods and Starbucks.
As an economist, he has chosen to abandon that ol' "supply and demand" life vest and jump into the deep end of environmentalism

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Wikipedia: "Peter Tertzakian is now a long-time resident of Calgary, Alberta. He lives there with his wife, Janet, and together they have two children, Alexander and André. Peter enjoys photography, and uses photos from his world travels to enrich his presentations. As a collector of Energy related artifacts, books and ephemera he often uses them as a source of inspiration to share historical lessons that can be applied today."



Urban dweller Peter must believe that the only purpose for personal transportation is to drive oneself to Whole Foods and Starbucks.
As an economist, he has chosen to abandon that ol' "supply and demand" life vest and jump into the deep end of environmentalism
Wait, whoa, he is a world traveler. I wonder if he swims or rows?
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Oh. That's right. Jet exhaust is pollution free if there is a liberal on board.
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Wait, whoa, he is a world traveler. I wonder if he swims or rows?
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Oh. That's right. Jet exhaust is pollution free if there is a liberal on board.


Jet Travel for him, not for us..
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Wikipedia: "Peter Tertzakian is now a long-time resident of Calgary, Alberta. He lives there with his wife, Janet, and together they have two children, Alexander and André. Peter enjoys photography, and uses photos from his world travels to enrich his presentations. As a collector of Energy related artifacts, books and ephemera he often uses them as a source of inspiration to share historical lessons that can be applied today."



Urban dweller Peter must believe that the only purpose for personal transportation is to drive oneself to Whole Foods and Starbucks.
As an economist, he has chosen to abandon that ol' "supply and demand" life vest and jump into the deep end of environmentalism

A "Drawbridge Liberal":  He's had his fun and made his money, so now he lifts the drawbridge so nobody else can.
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That choice trumps opting for a more modest set of wheels on a smaller car.

That's right you ugly effeminate loser. Small cars are A) Death Traps thanks to your absurd CAFE standards and B) a vehicle you cannot do anything with because it is so small.

Now hop back on your jet to fly around the world taking pretty pictures that are probably already on Google so you can keep your bored audiences awake.

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A "Drawbridge Liberal":  He's had his fun and made his money, so now he lifts the drawbridge so nobody else can.


A lot of the Liberals are like the Feudal lords in the middle ages..  That is why I call them Neo-Feudalist.
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Wikipedia: "Peter Tertzakian is now a long-time resident of Calgary, Alberta. He lives there with his wife, Janet, and together they have two children, Alexander and André. Peter enjoys photography, and uses photos from his world travels to enrich his presentations. As a collector of Energy related artifacts, books and ephemera he often uses them as a source of inspiration to share historical lessons that can be applied today."



Urban dweller Peter must believe that the only purpose for personal transportation is to drive oneself to Whole Foods and Starbucks.
As an economist, he has chosen to abandon that ol' "supply and demand" life vest and jump into the deep end of environmentalism

If that isn't a punchable face I don't know what is.

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Jet Travel for him, not for us..
Well, that's just because us "little people" can walk on water, don'tcha know?
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"Energy obese?"  Really?
Not mine, it's just big energy boned.  :smokin:
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I have a fifth wheel trailer that I take the family camping, fishing and hunting in.  I also often haul gardening supplies and home repair items from Home Depot.  No way is my "energy efficient" VW bug going to handle either of those tasks.  Thus I have a GMC 2500 diesel "energy obese" truck. 

So unless you are going to haul my stuff for me, when I want and where I want .... go away.

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You notice when you hear those decrying 'big oil' they always talk about big SUVs and not things like, for example, plastics, petrochemicals, and all of that stuff. They wouldn't have a computer to type on with out it (although the Steampunk alternate reality sounds pretty cool).

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You notice when you hear those decrying 'big oil' they always talk about big SUVs and not things like, for example, plastics, petrochemicals, and all of that stuff. They wouldn't have a computer to type on with out it (although the Steampunk alternate reality sounds pretty cool).
What breaks me up is the enviro-wackos who want everyone to use 'natural' energy yet refuse to use the most natural gift from God, called natural gas
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Not mine, it's just big energy boned.  :smokin:

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I drive smaller vehicles,  but it's easy to see the appeal of a large SUV or pick-up - they have undeniable utility, and are safer.   Safety's the big concern that trumps the dollars saved at the gas pump.   

My situation's a bit different than most - my garage was built in 1910,  and simply won't fit a vehicle more than 74 inches wide.   So that eliminates all but the smaller SUVs.  But if you can wedge a big engine in a small car, I'm all ears.   I'll pay the price at the pump in order to go fast!   
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I drive smaller vehicles,  but it's easy to see the appeal of a large SUV or pick-up - they have undeniable utility, and are safer.   Safety's the big concern that trumps the dollars saved at the gas pump.   

My situation's a bit different than most - my garage was built in 1910,  and simply won't fit a vehicle more than 74 inches wide.   So that eliminates all but the smaller SUVs.  But if you can wedge a big engine in a small car, I'm all ears.   I'll pay the price at the pump in order to go fast!
Try this...https://classiccars.com/listings/view/932556/1974-chevrolet-vega-for-sale-in-lutz-florida-33559
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Stuffing a small block into a compact classic is such a neat idea, but turning this 1974 Chevrolet Vega GT into a sleeper/screamer hot rod was a 12-year labor of love. So now is your chance to be a dozen years ahead of everyone else and get you hands on a 465+ hp custom build for a very affordable price.

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SJ,  my first car after I got married was my dad's Vega station wagon, a true rustbucket with fake wood on the side.   I remember driving it on the expressway through downtown Philly when it dropped its muffler.  I tied a rope around the muffler and my wife, in the passenger seat,  held on to the other end to keep it from dragging on the road and throwing off sparks.   As we limped home,  a dude passed us and yelled "GET THAT PIECE OF SH!T OFF THE ROAD!".   And my wife yelled back "WE'RE TRYING!!!"


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I think people who are lucky and own large garages should be made to drive the small cars that more virtuous people have to drive.  Fair.
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I think people who are lucky and own large garages should be made to drive the small cars that more virtuous people have to drive.  Fair.
No, I think we should tax them more so that those who didn't win life's auto lotto don't feel left out. After all most folks need a car to get to work the community should provide...
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No, I think we should tax them more so that those who didn't win life's auto lotto don't feel left out. After all most folks need a car to get to work the community should provide...

I hope he realizes we're just teasing him in a good-natured way....
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I hope he realizes we're just teasing him in a good-natured way....
I hope so. He gets hounded more than he probably deserves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cn-LWSmVjY
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SJ,  my first car after I got married was my dad's Vega station wagon, a true rustbucket with fake wood on the side.   I remember driving it on the expressway through downtown Philly when it dropped its muffler.  I tied a rope around the muffler and my wife, in the passenger seat,  held on to the other end to keep it from dragging on the road and throwing off sparks.   As we limped home,  a dude passed us and yelled "GET THAT PIECE OF SH!T OFF THE ROAD!".   And my wife yelled back "WE'RE TRYING!!!"
My brother had a '74, 4-banger, bone stock and still < 1 year old at the time, manual tranny (he bought it new, for $1,999.99). I got the power lag down (pedal to the floor, about 1 sec to what actually wasn't bad power for a car that size), and could actually do far, far, better on more serpentine roads and gravel than the guys who were driving cars set up to drag race. On the straight stretches they blew the doors off that thing, but I had them cold in the turns.

In a contest of speed on the approach road to the Steel Plant (fabrication, not a mill) I worked in during a couple of summers in college, I beat a Mustang which was very nicely set up for drag racing over the two mile course. He had me in the straight stretch (as I knew he would) but I closed it up in the turns and started beeping my horn to rattle him. He went high, I went low, and a lot of money changed hands back at the plant. He thought I'd pulled something with a sleeper until I popped the hood and showed off the factory 4-banger.
(Physics is our friend.)
If my brother had known...he would have killed me.

Years later, as a favor to a friend who was moving, I bought a '73 hatchback which was a complete bondo buggy. It would have been banned in Bowman, ND, which has an ordinance against ugly cars in town. No matter how vague the ordinance, this mustard yellow, peeled bondo, and rust brown car would have unquestionably qualified.

One of the last things my friend had done before leaving town was park the car on a fairly sizeable rock, and he'd bent the bottom of the oil pan among other things. The oil industry had been flat a few years and money was tight, so I gave him the 20 bucks and parked it in back, thinking maybe I'd use something off it. Unfortunately, my daily driver suffered a catastrophic failure and I needed a vehicle.
I jacked the front end back into something approximating original specs with a jack between the cross member the radiator mounted above and the front of the engine, got another radiator, put it together (as well as the bolts would hold anything) and fired it up. The crank journals hit the oil pan and made a hideous racket, but the darned thing ran--sorta. Anyway, well enough to get me around town, which was what I needed at the time. I'm cheap, I drove it for a couple of years before upgrading, just because it kept running. On the highway, though, it shook and shimmied like Chuck Yeager's controls while breaking the sound barrier at 55, and I scared a few people who rode with me, just going down the road. Of course, I expected it, knew it was the fouled up "frame" geometry, but they didn't.
Anyway, after upgrading to a van, I parked it again, and finally sold it to a guy who wanted it for the steering gear to use in a hot rod he was building, and got more out of the car than I'd put into it, and got to drive it for a couple of years, too.

All in all, they don't owe me, and I found them to be pretty good cars for their weight class.
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Frat bro of mine in college had a Vega back in the 70's.  Got T-boned and opened the passenger door with his head.  Woke up 3-4 days later in the Neuro hospital.  Was always a bit strange after that, until his narcolepsy kicked in while he was driving down the freeway.  I recall it was the weekend before I officially pulled up stakes in MI and moved to the deep south.

I miss Scott....
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Frat bro of mine in college had a Vega back in the 70's.  Got T-boned and opened the passenger door with his head.  Woke up 3-4 days later in the Neuro hospital.  Was always a bit strange after that, until his narcolepsy kicked in while he was driving down the freeway.  I recall it was the weekend before I officially pulled up stakes in MI and moved to the deep south.

I miss Scott....
Sorry about your bro. It was not a car to get hit in, by much of anything.
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Sorry about your bro. It was not a car to get hit in, by much of anything.

Ya, we were worried about the German Shepherds that lived in the area.
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Frat bro of mine in college had a Vega back in the 70's.  Got T-boned and opened the passenger door with his head.  Woke up 3-4 days later in the Neuro hospital.  Was always a bit strange after that, until his narcolepsy kicked in while he was driving down the freeway.  I recall it was the weekend before I officially pulled up stakes in MI and moved to the deep south.

I miss Scott....

Sad story,  CL.  Sorry about your friend.

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A car means freedom, and freedom has its costs.   

Indeed it does.  Everything does. 
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Indeed it does.  Everything does.

Yep. Only politicians think differently.

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All in all, they don't owe me, and I found them to be pretty good cars for their weight class.

I only got about 90K out of it before it died.    And I think that's the only car I ever owned I didn't get at least 100K out of.   I remember my wife would be embarrassed to drive it herself, because it had a big decal on the back:  "Beer Can Collectors of America".

I always liked it, though, it never left me stranded,  and some years later I bought a Ford EXP in part because it reminded me of the Vega.  Now, nobody in their right mind should buy a Ford EXP, but I did.   Mrs. Jazz, of course, promptly got pregnant.     
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I only got about 90K out of it before it died.    And I think that's the only car I ever owned I didn't get at least 100K out of.   I remember my wife would be embarrassed to drive it herself, because it had a big decal on the back:  "Beer Can Collectors of America".

I always liked it, though, it never left me stranded,  and some years later I bought a Ford EXP in part because it reminded me of the Vega.  Now, nobody in their right mind should buy a Ford EXP, but I did.   Mrs. Jazz, of course, promptly got pregnant.   
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My situation's a bit different than most - my garage was built in 1910,  and simply won't fit a vehicle more than 74 inches wide.   So that eliminates all but the smaller SUVs.  But if you can wedge a big engine in a small car, I'm all ears.   I'll pay the price at the pump in order to go fast!

Why the hell does the pickup need to fit in the garage? Mine has never ever been put away at night. That'd make it soft. It needs to battle the elements. Makes it tough... seasons it up.

But if you must:
Restore a mid 70's Toyota pickup or landcruiser
Or A Jeep CJ-5 or Willy's
Or a 60's Ford Bronco

In any case above, especially the Jeeps, conversion to a Chevy  powerplant, transmission, and transfer case, is negligible. All have bolt in kits to get it done. The Jeeps would be a bit more extensive, as everything underneath must go, and be converted to Chevy, to include the differentials.

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I have a '75 Toyota FJ-40 Landcruiser with a 327 in it. I recommend getting an overdrive unit if you will have it on the highway much, and a larger gas tank than the one for the stock toyota 6 cylinder. With the installation of the small block (and removal of the pollution gear and the 6 cylinder), the vehicle will lose weight! Consider electric fans on the radiator for better cooling, too.
Keep the stock roll cage. They save lives, but the vehicle is very solid--especially compared to the new stuff..
A word of warning, though, they have a short wheelbase and stiff suspension. Not a soft ride.
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Why the hell does the pickup need to fit in the garage? Mine has never ever been put away at night. That'd make it soft. It needs to battle the elements. Makes it tough... seasons it up.

But if you must:
Restore a mid 70's Toyota pickup or landcruiser
Or A Jeep CJ-5 or Willy's
Or a 60's Ford Bronco

In any case above, especially the Jeeps, conversion to a Chevy  powerplant, transmission, and transfer case, is negligible. All have bolt in kits to get it done. The Jeeps would be a bit more extensive, as everything underneath must go, and be converted to Chevy, to include the differentials.

I had a 93 Jeep Grand Cherokee for many years;  I finally got rid of it just this past Labor Day.   Best vehicle I ever owned - and it was fast for what it was, with a bulletproof 318 mill. 
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I only got about 90K out of it before it died.    And I think that's the only car I ever owned I didn't get at least 100K out of.   I remember my wife would be embarrassed to drive it herself, because it had a big decal on the back:  "Beer Can Collectors of America".

I always liked it, though, it never left me stranded,  and some years later I bought a Ford EXP in part because it reminded me of the Vega.  Now, nobody in their right mind should buy a Ford EXP, but I did.   Mrs. Jazz, of course, promptly got pregnant.   
I worked for A major oil company known for its stinginess with its company cars.  As an example, mine did not have a/c, making it truly stifling driving the caliche roads in South Texas.

Some bright idiot decided to save money by buying Gremlins and Vegas for us engineers and company foremen.

I recall one Vega had a really tough time taking the bumpy dirt roads driven by a foreman.  It took a year, but after 50k miles, the engine fell out of the vehicle and it was scrapped.

That and other cars made by GM back then set back the American auto industry for decades as the Asians made inroads to consumers here.  They are only now slowly crawling out of the holes they dug.
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I worked for A major oil company known for its stinginess with its company cars.  As an example, mine did not have a/c, making it truly stifling driving the caliche roads in South Texas.

Some bright idiot decided to save money by buying Gremlins and Vegas for us engineers and company foremen.

I recall one Vega had a really tough time taking the bumpy dirt roads driven by a foreman.  It took a year, but after 50k miles, the engine fell out of the vehicle and it was scrapped.

That and other cars made by GM back then set back the American auto industry for decades as the Asians made inroads to consumers here.  They are only now slowly crawling out of the holes they dug.

With protectionism we'll get garbage like Gremlins and Vegas once again.

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With protectionism we'll get garbage like Gremlins and Vegas once again.
I don't know of anyone who expected the Gremlins, Pintos, or Vegas to be luxury cars. They did what they did, at the bottom of the new car market. They were starter cars you'd trade in in a couple of years and move up, were small, easy to perk, easy on gas compared to the thundering herd. You knew that going in (besides, dealers could take a serious mark up on the used ones to start even more folks with a car).

The real disappointment to me was the Ford Maverick. It reminded me of playing as a kid in a cardboard box.

None of those were built for unpaved roads, deep snow, or the like. The average mechanic's creeper had more ground clearance. They were pavement cars for the most part, or for well groomed gravel. That said, I have had some back country adventures in vehicles that were not designed to go where we went. Imagine climbing ledges on canyon roads in a Ford Taurus. (We had to stop and build ramps from fallen rocks to get up some of them, and blew the struts in one trip, but we got there and back.)
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis