After pledging to donate salary, Trump administration declines to release proof

[DiogenesLamp]

That's exactly what Limbaugh said about 'the wall' too.

I'll let you know when I will be taking responsibility for what Limbaugh says.   

Which is a good lesson in understanding that whatever is said by someone running for office at campaign rallies, is utter bullshit - and only imbeciles vote for such people based on promises uttered on a campaign.

Because the alternative is what exactly?   Voting for people who promise the opposite of what you want? 

[DiogenesLamp]

10 seconds.  Can't take 10 seconds?

He could easily direct someone to make it so.   "Direct my salary to __[Insert charity here]__"
Then sign the paper put in front of him a few days later.

That is idiocy.   A savvy politician will take this act as an opportunity to score political points with the people,   and maximize it's effect. 


Make a big symbolic show of it  and counteract the media crap. 

[DiogenesLamp]

Then, of course, he would be accused by the idiot left of grandstanding and just doing it for the photo-op PR purposes.

Remember how that worked during the Bush years?  Everything Bush did that was received well was accused of being a photo-op.

Plastic Turkey?   




Yeah,   they went there. 

[Cyber Liberty]

Plastic Turkey?   




Yeah,   they went there.

They did indeed go there, and the story was debunked.  You never hear about that second part, the turkey he's holding in that picture was real.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/27/media-still-feasting-on-bush-fake-turkey-claim/

[Cyber Liberty]

Even the barking moonbats at Snopes admit the turkey was real.

[XenaLee]

I think Trump's tax returns are likely to be far more complicated than the average President, I think that Trump's tax returns will be useful for nothing but fodder for the Democrats (and their useful idiots on our side)   to pick them apart looking for dirt,  and alleging wrong doing based on technicalities,  if they can't find any actual dirt. 


(President Obama idiot never really had any jobs or income other than Government.)  and therefore are likely to be rife with clever tax dodges,  all of which will be trumpeted by the Democrats as cheating the government.   


They will simply be used to play into the meme that Trump is bad,  and this is regardless of what is actually in them.   


The only defense against these sort of fabricated "fake news"  allegations is to not give them any fuel to work with in the first place.

And I disagree.  I think the doubt the idiot left has placed in the "minds" of the anti-Trumpers is much more harmful to him and his presidency.... than anything that they could pick apart, find and use in them.  And let's face it.  If there IS something bad or valid in his tax returns that could be used against him.... we have a right to know about it.  He represents this nation now.

[Cyber Liberty]

And I disagree.  I think the doubt the idiot left has placed in the "minds" of the anti-Trumpers is much more harmful to him and his presidency.... than anything that they could pick apart, find and use in them.  And let's face it.  If there IS something bad or valid in his tax returns that could be used against him.... we have a right to know about it.  He represents this nation now.

Politicians file Tax Returns that are tailored to fit their needs.  They forgo many legitimate deductions because they "look bad" and will be shot up by their political opponents.  It's a cost of doing business in their world.  Even Romney's were like that, and he still got picked at for his. 

Trump has been a business mogul for many years, and his Tax Returns are therefore tailored to HIS needs, which means he took every deduction available to him.  He will be destroyed if he releases the Tax Returns.

[XenaLee]

Politicians file Tax Returns that are tailored to fit their needs.  They forgo many legitimate deductions because they "look bad" and will be shot up by their political opponents.  It's a cost of doing business in their world.  Even Romney's were like that, and he still got picked at for his. 

Trump has been a business mogul for many years, and his Tax Returns are therefore tailored to HIS needs, which means he took every deduction available to him.  He will be destroyed if he releases the Tax Returns.

Taking every 'legal' deduction available is nothing the idiot left can use against him.  It's what everyone does.  So again, I disagree.  He should release them some time this year to show the doubters and naysayers that there is nothing illegal there.

[INVAR]

I'll let you know when I will be taking responsibility for what Limbaugh says.   

I didn't ask you to.

I was merely pointing out the fact that the excuses being offered by America's self-ascribed 'voice of Conservatism' for the failure of delivery of Trump's key promises match what you just opined.

They were just 'campaign promises' with no intention to deliver, having no validity outside of deceit in order to garner support.  Limbaugh applauded that.

As have so many.

Because the alternative is what exactly?   Voting for people who promise the opposite of what you want?

That's rich.  Yes, - vote for a guy who you know is lying about his actual intentions because that is the only option we have.

Heh.

Just more evidence this country is more Soviet than anyone would imagine.

[Cyber Liberty]

Taking every 'legal' deduction available is nothing the idiot left can use against him.  It's what everyone does.  So again, I disagree.  He should release them some time this year to show the doubters and naysayers that there is nothing illegal there.

We'll have to agree to disagree then.  I think you underestimate the ability of the press to lie like a rug.  I can hear that Andrea Mitchell person now:  "Yes, it's legal, but was it right?  Film tonight."

[Wingnut]

Taking every 'legal' deduction available is nothing the idiot left can use against him.  It's what everyone does.  So again, I disagree.  He should release them some time this year to show the doubters and naysayers that there is nothing illegal there.

The "Idoit Left" and the #nevertrumpers do not need, nor are they entitled to see anyone's Tax Returns..except their very own swindle sheets they submit every April 15th..

End of story.

[XenaLee]

The "Idoit Left" and the #nevertrumpers do not need, nor are they entitled to see anyone's Tax Returns..except their very own swindle sheets they submit every April 15th..

End of story.

It's tradition.  If he does not release them as he said he would, the meme will forever be that he is hiding something.  I don't think he is hiding anything.  Unless it's something related to charitable donations and how little (or how much less) liberals give to charity vs. how much folks on the right give.  The pr damage will be worse to him if he does not release them.  So we can agree to disagree. 

[XenaLee]

We'll have to agree to disagree then.  I think you underestimate the ability of the press to lie like a rug.  I can hear that Andrea Mitchell person now:  "Yes, it's legal, but was it right?  Film tonight."

I don't really give a crap what the leftie pressholes bleat....OR what their idiot supporters on the left believe.  I'm talking about how negatively it would affect Trump's supporters....ie the folks that voted for him and put him into office..... if he refuses to do as he said he would and won't release them.  Those who voted for him will start to doubt him.  Some already have.  I'm saying that the damage done to him and his presidency will be MUCH worse unless he follows through.

[Cyber Liberty]

It's tradition.  If he does not release them as he said he would, the meme will forever be that he is hiding something.  I don't think he is hiding anything.  Unless it's something related to charitable donations and how little (or how much less) liberals give to charity vs. how much folks on the right give.  The pr damage will be worse to him if he does not release them.  So we can agree to disagree.

It's a tradition since Nixon, and Ford didn't follow it.  When I think of "Presidential traditions" I think in terms longer than 45 years.  No President before Nixon ever released his Tax Returns, and the only reason Nixon did (after his reelection) was because of the Watergate imbroglio.  I'd like to see the "tradition" end here and now, considering the only reason it ever got started was a failed attempt to stave off an impeachment.

[Cyber Liberty]

I don't really give a crap what the leftie pressholes bleat....OR what their idiot supporters on the left believe.  I'm talking about how negatively it would affect Trump's supporters....ie the folks that voted for him and put him into office..... if he refuses to do as he said he would and won't release them.  Those who voted for him will start to doubt him.  Some already have.  I'm saying that the damage done to him and his presidency will be MUCH worse unless he follows through.

Are we talking about the tax returns or the topic of the thread? 

[Wingnut]

It's tradition.  If he does not release them as he said he would, the meme will forever be that he is hiding something.  I don't think he is hiding anything.  Unless it's something related to charitable donations and how little (or how much less) liberals give to charity vs. how much folks on the right give.  The pr damage will be worse to him if he does not release them.  So we can agree to disagree.

Let me just say this about that. Screw Tradition.  It is highly overrated. 
Agree on the disagree though!   

[truth_seeker]

Politicians file Tax Returns that are tailored to fit their needs.  They forgo many legitimate deductions because they "look bad" and will be shot up by their political opponents.  It's a cost of doing business in their world.  Even Romney's were like that, and he still got picked at for his. 

Trump has been a business mogul for many years, and his Tax Returns are therefore tailored to HIS needs, which means he took every deduction available to him.  He will be destroyed if he releases the Tax Returns.

Very much agreed. Does the Constitution or any other law require the President or other office holders, to disclose their private business, income tax returns, etc ??

A subject which OUGHT to interest people, is the pre office holding incomes of the Clintons, Reids, Obamas etc. versus their post office incomes.

[Cyber Liberty]

Very much agreed. Does the Constitution or any other law require the President or other office holders, to disclose their private business, income tax returns, etc ??

A subject which OUGHT to interest people, is the pre office holding incomes of the Clintons, Reids, Obamas etc. versus their post office incomes.

The "tradition" harkens back to the golden days of Yesteryear, in 1972 when a disgraced President was trying to placate his enemies and avoid being impeached.  It didn't work, and the first President to follow him didn't do it.  Really, the "tradition" only goes back to Jimmy Carter, and I fail to see how he's any kind of a role model.

[INVAR]

Very much agreed. Does the Constitution or any other law require the President or other office holders, to disclose their private business, income tax returns, etc ??

By that reckoning, none of us should expect or ask for birth certificates, college transcripts, law licenses, or legal infraction records of anyone running for office.

Mordor on the Potomac will be DELIGHTED to hear this newfound respect being afforded politicians seeking high office.

[DCPatriot]

It's nobody's damned business what his tax returns say or don't say.

That said, if there was something to get worked up over, it would have been leaked months ago.

[Cyber Liberty]

By that reckoning, none of us should expect or ask for birth certificates, college transcripts, law licenses, or legal infraction records of anyone running for office.

Funny you should mention that.  The last President refused to reveal any of those things, and it was as American as Apple Pie as far as the vigilant Press was concerned.  Only the Birth Certificate one actually has grounds in the Constitution, though.

[Cyber Liberty]

It's nobody's damned business what his tax returns say or don't say.

That said, if there was something to get worked up over, it would have been leaked months ago.

Wasn't some of that leaked from the Ivana Trump divorce?  It was a nothing burger?

[Wingnut]

Funny you should mention that.  The last President refused to reveal any of those things, and it was as American as Apple Pie as far as the vigilant Press was concerned.  Only the Birth Certificate one actually has grounds in the Constitution, though.

I was pushing for DNA testing just to prove he was from earth.

[Cyber Liberty]

I was pushing for DNA testing just to prove he was from earth.

The Dems and the Press (I repeat myself) would have found a way to cheat the test to show he's some kind of God from Krypton.

[DiogenesLamp]

Taking every 'legal' deduction available is nothing the idiot left can use against him. 

You are kidding.